(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2018-03-03]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/11903008]
GN[Friendly Match]
PB[Haylee]
PW[ZenLeeBot]
BR[?]
WR[9d]
TM[1800]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Haylee: Have a good game! Haha
ZenLeeBot: Hi
ZenLeeBot: Thanks
]
;B[pd]
C[Haylee: Have a good game! Haha
]
(;W[dp]
C[bugcat: Anyone doing commentary?
roy7: Eric streaming on twitch
zediir: link?
bugcat: EricJHan!
bugcat: He's about 15k you know
TheBeginer: Why no Titan V and only GTX 970?
Cactus Juice: 15p
Cactus Juice: you say
roy7: https://www.twitch.tv/alphagotezero
ZenLeeBot: Win rate for white and move analysis will be given at move 20+
ZenLeeBot: Who do you think will win? Vote here https://www.strawpoll.me/15194311
]
(;B[qp]
C[EricJHan: 12k now
]
(;W[dd]
(;B[fq]
C[smurph: if people want... i can run some commentary :)
IGot10Eyes: sure
]
(;W[cn]
C[bugcat: go for it smurph
battleporridge: yes please
]
(;B[lq]
C[bugcat: drop the link in here
The Natural: Haylee>>>>
]
(;W[qj]
C[50 kyu: Smile face fuseki
Cactus Juice: smurph, discord with eric so you can wing comment
Cactus Juice: :D
bugcat: heh
Cactus Juice: Eric will be like the interviewer
EricJHan: I just sent everyone smurph's way
]
(;B[qf]
C[Cactus Juice: SO eric join smurph and wing comment
]
(;W[qm]
(;B[pn]
(;W[ro]
C[OJO: ¡Haylee! ¡Haylee! Bonne chance!
]
(;B[rp]
(;W[pm]
C[Jokes Aside: Move 14 and we already have more than 100 spectators :D
Jokes Aside: Not bad 
]
(;B[om]
C[The Natural: because everyone loves Haylee
]
(;W[on]
C[Free Fishes Bitches: Is this bot modeled as alphago?
]
(;B[qn]
(;W[rn]
C[pokeii: ganbatte aq sensei
smurph: https://www.twitch.tv/smurphing
]
(;B[op]
C[EricJHan: I'll send everyone your way
Tentative5kyu: Ws5-Bs4 good exchange for B
]
(;W[oo]
C[bugcat: smurph, we can't here you
bugcat: you have the mic too low
bugcat: it's still too low
ZenLeeBot: 52.8  P5 ->Q4 ->N5 ->M4 ->N8 ->P8 ->Q9 ->F17
]
(;B[po]
C[bugcat: turn it up like ten times
]
(;W[np]
(;B[nq]
C[ImmortalVoddoler: I an only hear when you make the 's' sound
ZenLeeBot: 54  O4 ->O3 ->P3 ->Q4 ->N3 ->O2 ->N4 ->N2
]
(;W[oq]
(;B[pp]
(;W[mq]
(;B[nr]
C[BoneSaw: Is Haylee streaming this?
smurph: yea had to reinstall, some settings are weird now
ZenLeeBot: 52.6  N3 ->O2 ->N4 ->N2 ->M4 ->L4 ->L5 ->L3
]
(;W[mp]
(;B[mr]
(;W[lp]
(;B[kp]
C[carot: I don't think Haylee ever streams her games.  She shows them later, with commentary, if we're lucky.
roy7: Haylee is recording to make a YouTube video like she does :)
bugcat: right I can hear you smurph, I have you turned up really far though
carot: :-)
]
(;W[mn]
C[Sampi: yeah, she is probably recording and will upload it later
Sampi: usually 1 day after the match
bugcat: that's better smurph
The Natural: "is that really sente"-- Haylee favorrite line
ZenLeeBot: 51.9  N6 ->L3 ->P8 ->O7 ->N8 ->O8 ->O9 ->P9
]
(;B[kq]
C[battleporridge: "hmmmm does this work"-- her second favourite
The Natural: hahahaha yes
]
(;W[nl]
C[PATB: And "really?"
ZenLeeBot: 50.9  O8 ->P8 ->O9 ->R8 ->S8 ->Q10->R11->Q8
]
(;B[rm]
C[The Natural: "really? can they do that?"
]
(;W[rl]
C[Jokes Aside: Looks like W is already quite strong in the area
ZenLeeBot: 52.1  S8 ->P8 ->O7 ->R8 ->T7 ->Q8 ->S7 ->P10
]
(;B[nm]
(;W[mm]
(;B[ol]
C[BoneSaw: So far I like black. Curious to see what will happen
KillerDucky: why pull these stones out?
]
(;W[nk]
C[KillerDucky: white seems strong on both sides
bugcat: Haylee has something up her sleeve, I think
ZenLeeBot: 48.3 O9 ->R8 ->T7 ->Q8 ->S7 ->Q10->R11->O6
]
(;B[ql]
(;W[sm]
(;B[pl]
(;W[rm]
C[RoyalZeroSlow: Go Haylee go! ZenLeeBot is a bully.
redreoicy: white won't be strong on both sides after black pulls it out 
battleporridge: she doesnt wanna give W the whole outside im guessing
BananaInPajamas: It's more like she's deliberately creating aji.
Yaka_Go: white is not particularly strong no
BoneSaw: Idk, but AQ doesn't seem to like Haylee doing this
Deep Scholar: :D
]
(;B[pj]
(;W[qi]
C[The Natural: wow 
Jokes Aside: If W simply settled himself, that would be probably a failure in terms of micro chineese
bugcat: Black's corner is huge though
The Natural: herself*
redreoicy: itself*
bugcat: well, big
ZenLeeBot: 47.6 R11->O6 ->O5 ->P10->N11->P12->L7 ->S12
]
(;B[pi]
C[The Natural: yeah seems like a lot of white moves without gaining much
]
(;W[ph]
C[ZenLeeBot: 49.5  Q12->O10->N10->O11->R13->O6 ->Q14->M8
]
(;B[oh]
C[bugcat: Smurph has caught up to the game now if you want to hop in
]
(;W[pg]
C[PATB: Is AQ stronger than Leela?
TheBeginer: who is winning
windcat: PATB: yes
Jokes Aside: Center white looks harrasable, I suppose Haylee will try to get something out of it
Deep Scholar: yes pat
Sampi: AQ is pretty strong
RileyBugz: it seems like white is settling itself while trying to reduce black's influence
carot: isn't it weird that the bot keeps predicting white O6?
PATB: Thanks
ZenLeeBot: 50.2  Q13->O6 ->O5 ->M5 ->N5 ->O10->N10->O11
]
(;B[oi]
C[Sampi: a version with better hardware has 95% winning percentage vs 9ds on tygem
bugcat: it's monte carlo I guess
TheBeginer: they should have used two gtx1080ti or titan v for this
Zyhmet: black O6 isnt it?
]
(;W[pf]
C[carot: Sorry, yes!  Same question though.
windcat: TheBeginer: this is pretty strong. it's okay if it loses too
bugcat: "Haylee: Is that _really_ sente?"
The Natural: the AQ on tygem is really strong
oing: is haylee live streaming this?
Sampi: thebeginer, they wanted to run AQ on hardware that was accessible to everyone, to really show the average strength
ZenLeeBot: 57  Q14->Q15->O14->O13->P15->O6 ->O5 ->M5
]
(;B[pe]
C[BananaInPajamas: Haylee normally records and uploads.
roy7: No bot operators that I know of on OGS own two 1080Ti or a Titan.
roy7: RoyalLeela's 1080Ti is about as strong as we get.
]
(;W[ng]
C[BananaInPajamas: She expressed some discomfort with playing and streaming at the same time.
windcat: roy: why didnt you host this match? :P
ZenLeeBot: 57.1  O13->N11->M9 ->O6 ->O5 ->M5 ->N5 ->L11
]
(;B[mh]
C[oing: ah
roy7: I don't operate ZenLeeBot and didn't set this up. :)
]
(;W[ko]
C[windcat: ok :)
roy7: Maybe Haylee will play RoyalZeroSlow once it's stronger.
ZenLeeBot: 60.4  L5 ->O6 ->O5 ->M5 ->N5 ->M10->M8 ->K5
]
(;B[jo]
C[windcat: I'm just glad theres someone willing to run this match
Deep Scholar: that would be neat
windcat: Leela Zero vs Haylee will be exciting
lodestone: AQ seems to like what it's getting out of this, but I like B better.
]
(;W[kn]
(;B[jn]
C[windcat: I know how it might end though...
redreoicy: The 10 layer version seems strong enough for a good game already
windcat: "whats that?" as leela zero plays out a ladder
bugcat: Already such an interesting fighting game
ZenLeeBot: 59.2  L6 ->O6 ->O5 ->M5 ->N5 ->K6 ->L7 ->N10
]
(;W[km]
C[windcat: "whats going on"
ZenLeeBot: 58.2 L7 ->M10->L9 ->L10->K9 ->K10->J10->J11
]
(;B[qk]
(;W[rk]
(;B[nf]
C[Sampi: if there's no ladder trouble, it would be an interesting game
bugcat: I don't really like White's position, so many wasted stones like O4 etc.
ZenLeeBot: 60.4  S9 ->O14->P14->N14->P15->O17->N15->M14
]
(;W[rg]
(;B[mg]
C[TheBeginer: the 256*20 version of leela zero that someone compiled is already on par with AQ 
Jokes Aside: Hm... I'd say now I feel v. good about black 
ZenLeeBot: 60.5  S13->M9 ->N13->M12->O16->O6 ->O5 ->M5
]
(;W[jc]
C[RileyBugz: [object Object\]
The Natural: alpha go invading a 3-3 point right here lol
zediir: The 256*20 is not quite as strong as AQ at least according to my CGOS results
bugcat: heh I shouldn't have chosen a specific point I guess
windcat: I bet with self play it can surpass AQ
bugcat: but White is not that good in the centre let's be honest
Yaka_Go: well windcat, that's alphago :p
windcat: true XD
ZenLeeBot: 60.4 K17->M17->F16->S14->R13->H17->J16->H16
]
(;B[lc]
C[RileyBugz: but there is a huge hole in black's wall
]
(;W[fd]
C[RileyBugz: and white doing something on the upper side might amplify that
The Natural: then its not a wall lol
RileyBugz: two disconnected walls?
BoneSaw: I'm starting to prefer white
bugcat: the thing is, White has no actual points yet
bugcat: to speak of
ZenLeeBot: 60.1  F16->S14->C11->R13->R12->S12->S11->T13
]
(;B[cq]
(;W[dq]
(;B[dr]
C[ZenLeeBot: 61  D2 ->C4 ->B2 ->B3 ->C2 ->E3 ->E2 ->F4
]
(;W[cp]
(;B[br]
(;W[bq]
(;B[cr]
C[oing: sorry noob question, what is this number that the bot is printing out?
ZenLeeBot: 62.1  B2 ->B3 ->C2 ->E3 ->E2 ->F4 ->G4 ->G3
]
(;W[eq]
C[FineArt: 4p  = 4d ??
baldomero.andreo: on the one hand I want Haylee to win because shes great. On the other, I want a free pro level mid hardware bot out there
oing: black or white win percentage?
bugcat: its win percentage I think
Eddhuan: winrate estimation
Yaka_Go: Bot is printing the winrate for white
redreoicy: What the bot thinks it's current win rate is
Sampi: 4p = 4 dan professional
redreoicy: its*
oing: its own? ok thanks
Deep Scholar: no fineart haylee is pro
bugcat: Retired pro
BananaInPajamas: Once a pro, always a pro.
battleporridge: 4p > 4d
FineArt: professional?
trohde: LOL, votes currently are 50:50 https://www.strawpoll.me/15194311/r
BananaInPajamas: Basically good enough to play Go for a living.
JeansebL: It's unfortunate that it doesn't use variations...
Yaka_Go: heh, LeelaZero 10 block would play c11 now
FineArt: America has a professional play of go?
bugcat: Haylee is arguable OGS' strongest player
The Natural: well teach it for a living. i dont think many pros can make money like that in tourments unless youre really high up there
Sampi: lol, leelazero is so funny
battleporridge: haylees not american, but yeah the aga has pros too
JeansebL: Yoonyoung 4p is stronger ^^
Threadofmotion: Leela thinks white is ahead
bugcat: Yooyoung doesn't play here though afaik
BoneSaw: Jeanseb already trying to create conflict :P
zediir: Haylee was a pro with the Korean Baduk Association
pokeii: Shouldn't FineArt be,like... 10p?
Threadofmotion: Leela gives 60% WR to AQ if Haylee blocks and 
Threadofmotion: AQ hane
The Natural: im surprised it didnt play c11
The Natural: seems important 
TheBeginer: haylee can read our comments?
bugcat: F2 is the move here, no?
bugcat: no she can't
Gurxtav: no she can't
Yaka_Go: Is that sente?
BananaInPajamas: It's sente enough in my book.
zediir: viewer comments aren't visible until the end of the game
jrfischerjr: She must play E2 right?
Gurxtav: already waiting for the video
Sampi: maybe f2, maybe even tenuki
Threadofmotion: Tenuki is not impossible, but ill advised
The Natural: b4
lovecall: f2 is more likely
Yaka_Go: Tenuki is possible
Mnémé: if she tenuki then e2 threat to kill whole corner
bugcat: no, maybe play F4
bugcat: Black can always live in the corner
lodestone: Something around C11 might be bigger than e2.
ZenLeeBot: Can also play C11 instead of E2
ZenLeeBot: Sorry instead of playing E3, ZenleeBot could have played C11
]
(;B[fr]
C[battleporridge: yeah but e2 is sente then @bugcat
BananaInPajamas: Interesting, it elicited a response.
bugcat: true
battleporridge: it wont kill but destroy the bottom side
]
(;W[ci]
C[The Natural: its going c11 here
The Natural: lol
jrfischerjr: lol
BananaInPajamas: And there's the moyo we've been looking for.
Tentative5kyu: B invasion coming up
The Natural: think haylee should have played there
FineArt: AQ is stronger than american professional go player
The Natural: but im a 14kyu so there is that lol
ZenLeeBot: 66.2 C11->H17->H16->G17->G16->J17->J16->K18
]
(;B[fo]
(;W[fn]
C[BoneSaw: Black is so patient with the invade
windcat: :^)
JeansebL: F5 looks kinda slow...
oing: wow, calmly taking points still...?
The Natural: haylee isnt great at late invasions
BananaInPajamas: Haylee is a generally passive player.
The Natural: against strong opponents
Gurxtav: Which bot?
battleporridge: no  shoulder hit yet?
Jokes Aside: Hmm....F5 felt very calm. I'd be panicking already
roy7: Gurxtav: ZenLeeBot is running AQ
BananaInPajamas: Attachment is aggressive though, I wonder how she'll respond.
Gurxtav: ty
ZenLeeBot: 66.3  F6 ->D10->D11->E10->E11->F10->B9 ->F11
]
(;B[dj]
C[BoneSaw: Then again, Jokes, there's a reason why we're low dan players ^^
PATB: tengen now!
The Natural: there it is
Gurxtav: there's the shoulder hit!
Jokes Aside: I'm wondering if she still sees some attacking potential against N6
]
(;W[di]
(;B[ej]
(;W[ei]
(;B[fj]
C[Gurxtav: AQ playing very fast
BoneSaw: N6 looks strong to me
pokeii: i suspect the bot is not set to use all his time?
bugcat: White's late points are coming in
ZenLeeBot: 65.7 E10->E11->F10->B9 ->C17->C16->D18->F18
]
(;W[bk]
(;B[cc]
C[The Natural: alpha go would attach at some point at c16
]
(;W[cd]
C[The Natural: or that
]
(;B[db]
C[KillerDucky: so in the end escaping P7 went decently... but it ended in gote
Jokes Aside: Haylee has a lot of points, but W has plenty as well. And it doesn't look like B was ahead now
KillerDucky: white got to K17 first
Tentative5kyu: does that work?
ZenLeeBot: 66.1  D18->F18->B16->B15->B17->G5 ->F4 ->G7
]
(;W[fb]
(;B[bd]
(;W[be]
C[baldomero.andreo: it's official, I'm getting a GTX 970 :O
Threadofmotion: winrate for white keeps going up
]
(;B[bb]
C[The Natural: love the 3 3 invasion there
BananaInPajamas: Three crows
ZenLeeBot: 69.9  B18->A16->B17->G5 ->F4 ->G7 ->H6 ->G6
]
(;W[ad]
C[windcat: baldo.andreo: maybe get a 1060 or 1070 ti
]
(;B[bc]
C[ennuistic: the top right is not solid. this game is going badly for black.
windcat: to keep up with the great gpu race
Tentative5kyu: tiny life
wurfmaul3: I recommend a 620
TheBeginer: dont get the 970, wait a month the gtx 2080 is coming out
The Natural: take that territory
windcat: yeah I would wait
Sampi: haylee might be in trouble
]
(;W[go]
C[Yaka_Go: in only a month?
]
(;B[fp]
C[TheBeginer: late april 
]
(;W[gm]
C[bugcat: the question is the tenth row stones
bugcat: how Haylee handles them
Jokes Aside: Her style is generally quite solid
ZenLeeBot: 68.2  G7 ->J9 ->K7 ->L9 ->J8 ->H9 ->G12->J12
]
(;B[hj]
C[Gurxtav: winrate down 1%
zediir: I don't like that it's 2080 instead of 1180.
]
(;W[jj]
C[Gurxtav: unknowm if it is going to be 2080 or 1180 right?
]
(;B[il]
C[The Natural: k17 looking weak. squeeze taht top left too
ZenLeeBot: 71.2  O18->N17->R17->Q17->Q18->S17->S18->S16
]
(;W[jm]
C[Threadofmotion: I think that may be bad direction for Haylee
Threadofmotion: dogs head above looks more promising
TheBeginer: not sure what they will call it but it will leaps and bounds faster than gtx 1080ti
bugcat: Black still has more points, but she needs to live
lodestone: Depends a lot on how much of the upper right winds up being B points.
redreoicy: live in middle, live in top left
The Natural: peep at g17 and then attack k 17 lol
bugcat: ah that is true, R17 is still possible right?
lovecall: [object Object\]
redreoicy: because later white can play at c19 if white is strong enough
ZenLeeBot: 70.9 K7 ->H6 ->J6 ->J5 ->J7 ->H7 ->H8 ->G8
]
(;B[im]
(;W[in]
C[Sampi: depends if e18 is sente or not, red?
redreoicy: no
lodestone: C19 can lead to bent-4 ?
Oni: cool
redreoicy: c19 b19 d19 e18 e19 f17 g17 e17 
bugcat: wonder how Haylee is thinking about the game right now
ZenLeeBot: 70.4  J6 ->K9 ->L9 ->L10->J9 ->K8 ->J5 ->K4
]
(;B[ck]
C[redreoicy: then white has to g18 or h18 and black can push through at e16 or cut c15
fjd: thus ist escalating quickly
]
(;W[bl]
C[redreoicy: it's impossible to kill right now but h10 is too weak
BananaInPajamas: I really want to see another dwyrin-Haylee game.
ZenLeeBot: 73.3  B8 ->K9 ->L9 ->L10->K11->J10->J5 ->K4
]
(;B[dm]
C[bugcat: AQ's winning % is pretty scary
RileyBugz: It's interesting how J6 seems to negate the peep and threatens two stones
]
(;W[io]
C[bugcat: it's said 70% basically equals 100%
]
(;B[jp]
C[BananaInPajamas: Still too early to tell who will win based on the current board though.
ZenLeeBot: 77.1 K4 ->E6 ->D6 ->E5 ->C7 ->G9 ->H9 ->G10
]
(;W[en]
C[Gurxtav: No that's ag 
]
(;B[dn]
C[Armin Fouxemes: Go Haylee!
bugcat: yeah, that's what I think based on teh board
]
(;W[eo]
C[bugcat: it's still in the jaws of the middlegame
]
(;B[cm]
(;W[gk]
C[Deep Scholar: well bugcat in one of the test games he did against a better hardware version at one point the score dropped slowly from 80% to 60% for the game
The Natural: L10 looks exploitable 
bugcat: thanks for the info Scholar
ennuistic: I don't see how black can win.
ZenLeeBot: 78.9 G9 ->H9 ->G10->G11->F9 ->F11->H11->J11
]
(;B[gj]
C[Threadofmotion: pretty sure she can't
]
(;W[hk]
C[TheBeginer: aq is playing stronger than I imagined for only a i5 cpu and single 970
Deep Scholar: this is a human opponent so indeed it will be interesting how she will do
BananaInPajamas: Black is hurting quite a bit now.
bugcat: game of sabaki now
Threadofmotion: AQ is in a winning variation now
ZenLeeBot: 80.7  H9 ->J10->J9 ->K11->L10->L11->J12->J11
]
(;B[ij]
(;W[ik]
(;B[ji]
C[Gurxtav: Why cant black win? Black has lots of territory I think
]
(;W[kj]
C[Threadofmotion: white has more territory than black right now
Threadofmotion: and more potential
Sampi: i guess there is still some aji in b's territory?
BananaInPajamas: White has yet to reduce and invade white in several key areas.
ennuistic: the top right is not solid.
bugcat: you can't count the top left as territory
bugcat: it's still open
ZenLeeBot: 79.9  L10->S14->R13->L11->S16->R17->R15->S15
]
(;B[gg]
C[Threadofmotion: indeed
Sampi: haha, you're right bugcat
]
(;W[ki]
(;B[jh]
(;W[kh]
C[Gurxtav: Aha
PATB: 80.3?
Threadofmotion: living so painful for black
Sampi: wow, if it plays o18 it will make my day lol
redreoicy: white has p13 to kill p12 now
The Natural: gotta be intimidating to have your opponent pushing out win rates like that lol
bugcat: she can't see them
TheBeginer: Is AQ the first open source go program to beat a professional on commodity hardware
bugcat: they're in the Malkovitch log
wurfmaul3: I bet she can feel the winrates though
Yaka_Go: LeelaZero has wanted to play o18 for quite a while now
RileyBugz: unless people put them in chat, lol
Tentative5kyu: W plans O18 invasion followed by R17
ZenLeeBot: 80.3 L12->K13->O18->N17->R17->Q17->Q18->S17
]
(;B[kg]
(;W[jg]
C[bugcat: no, she can't see them in chat either
RileyBugz: oh, I see
bugcat: nothing in chat can be seen
ZenLeeBot: K13->J13->K14->J14->K15->H16->J15->H15
]
(;B[ig]
(;W[jf]
C[Threadofmotion: it looks like black is about to die somewhere
]
(;B[if]
(;W[je]
C[bugcat: c'mon Haylee
The Natural: think she is safe but not gaining much with the live groups
pokeii: 2 handi game next?
Yaka_Go: The level of bots these is quite impressive
Yaka_Go: these days
ZenLeeBot: 80.2
]
(;B[le]
C[bugcat: what do the dans think? can Haylee live?
]
(;W[ie]
C[Threadofmotion: she protected the connection
a20170527: I think go bots are just getting started.
Sarah Lisa: Is there any possibility of a second game afterwards?
a20170527: They can only make fuzzy play.
ZenLeeBot: 80.2 J15->S14->R13->E13->C14->G15->H15->H14
]
(;B[cj]
C[Tentative5kyu: W is rock-solid everywhere
]
(;W[bj]
C[The Natural: i think the coolest thing is all the bots play the way humans do for the most part. says a lot about human intelligence
RileyBugz: couldn't black make good shape with J15? or does that not work in this case?
ZenLeeBot: 80  B10->S14->F11->F8 ->F9 ->E9 ->J12->J11
]
(;B[el]
C[RileyBugz: G*
a20170527: Well, the bots play a way that mimics how humans play
Threadofmotion: what a painful way to live
RileyBugz: G15
BananaInPajamas: When I watch alpha go play, human-like playing is the last thing that comes to my mind lol
]
(;W[qc]
(;B[pc]
C[The Natural: not really they have programs that self teach like a zero
bugcat: ahhh! it made the 3-3 invasion!
BananaInPajamas: There's the long awaited invasion.
ZenLeeBot: 85.6  R17->Q17->S15->S16->S14->R16->L18->M18
]
(;W[re]
C[bugcat: Go bots don't mimic humans
]
(;B[rd]
C[a20170527: I don't think zero fully self teaches.
The Natural: it doesnt use human games
]
(;W[rf]
C[BoneSaw: Zero does fully self teach
TheBeginer: AQ is not a zero bot is it
RileyBugz: except for the rules, it does
bugcat: let's stay on-topic
max.mustermann1316: zero self teaches
ZenLeeBot: 85.4 S14->E13->C14->R16->H3 ->H2 ->J3 ->J2
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(;B[qd]
C[max.mustermann1316: no human help
a20170527: Zero plays itself to train.
The Natural: first alpha go def mimics humans. 
Tentative5kyu: AQ in safety-mode ...
Oni: that sheep is so cute I wanna knive like that
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(;W[kb]
(;B[lb]
C[Sampi: its a sword
_fuchsi: Leelas prediction dropped to 20% for white after the 3-3 invasion. similar to AQs rate prediction :-(
bugcat: What are the points like?
PATB: AQ kept recommending S14 for B.  Maybe it thinks the middle group is dead
Threadofmotion: it's pretty interesting how well Leela and AQ agree
The Natural: and it self taught itself to play the way humans play. they just read way more deeply. but openings basically the same
BananaInPajamas: End game is fast approaching.
]
(;W[hq]
C[ZenLeeBot: 86.5  H3 ->H4 ->G4 ->G15->H14->H13->G14->F14
]
(;B[bp]
C[Threadofmotion: we are already in endgame
a20170527: lol "the way humans play"
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(;W[bo]
(;B[aq]
C[Oni: bah, 
ZenLeeBot: 86  A3 ->M19->N19->L19->N18->P14->O15->T16
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(;W[la]
(;B[ma]
(;W[ka]
C[roy7: Correct, AQ isn't a zero bot. It's a Leela and Ray style bot based on original alphago.
]
(;B[mb]
C[Sampi: right, supervised learning
]
(;W[er]
(;B[es]
C[bugcat: I thought AG was after Leela's design
roy7: I think the two main public zero projects are Leela Zero and Minigo. 
Threadofmotion: game is over now, winrate 90% roughly
bibbo: why is it called ZenLeeBot?
ZenLeeBot: 85.4 E2 ->E1 ->P14->G15->H15->G14->G16->C14
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(;W[sd]
C[battleporridge: he runs abunch of bots on tha account including zen and leela
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(;B[sc]
C[a20170527: Trufax: Zero can only read heatmaps, but it can't reason about the game. It plays like a lazy human.
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(;W[se]
(;B[rc]
(;W[sp]
C[KillerDucky: reason is overrated  :)
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(;B[sq]
C[a20170527: There's an awful lot of go books, lectures, and discussion for that to be true.
bugcat: well, this seems to be gg for this game
ZenLeeBot: At the start of the game, you said 51% chance of ZenLeeBot Winning. https://www.strawpoll.me/15194311/r
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(;W[so]
C[Gurxtav: SE says close 
bugcat: well done to AQ
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(;B[rq]
C[Yaka_Go: we can't congratulate the bot yet
pimil: AQ standing for ?
JustBreathing: SE knows nothing
pokeii: ZenLeeBot when did you close the poll??
ZenLeeBot: 84.9  S3 ->P14->O15->F13->G14->F14->G16->G17
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(;W[of]
C[JustBreathing: but yeah, white looks at least 5 points aead
bibbo: artificial quail (egg)
Threadofmotion: close in points does not mean a close game
Threadofmotion: big difference
Eddhuan: roy7 : there is also reversi-zero
Deep Scholar: for part of the author name pimil is the theory
pokeii: I think people were allowed to vote for a long time
TheBeginer: is this the first bot to beat a pro on single gtx970?
BananaInPajamas: I'd rather congradulate the players that are actually human.
bugcat: avocada quesadilla
Yaka_Go: who knows, how many pro vs gtx970 has there been :p?
Virtuitous: +1 banana
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(;B[do]
C[windcat: congrats, gtx970
JustBreathing: Alpha zero is bar none the best bot, regardless of hardware
bibbo: how do you know for certain?
a20170527: lolno
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(;W[ep]
C[The Natural: agreed
TheBeginer: true but you don't have access to 1000 TPU's
Gurxtav: B3bomber
ZenLeeBot: 81.2  E4 ->C5 ->F14->F13->E13->G14->G15->E17
]
(;B[ec]
C[RileyBugz: B2, maybe?
RileyBugz: B2bomber
bibbo: alphazero is optimized for working on an insanely massive TPU cluster, that doesn't necessarily mean it works better than anything else on any other computing architecture
]
(;W[ed]
C[Gurxtav: Yes
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(;B[fc]
(;W[gc]
C[JustBreathing: because supervised learning bots are more about the training data than anything else. And we all know Google's ability to generate training data is second to none
Dorus: AZ runs on just 4 tpu's
Deep Scholar: https://online-go.com/game/11879124 also better hardware doesn't always lead to better result here is the test game that zenleebot did against stronger hardware
Dorus: During matches at least
ZenLeeBot: 78.9 G17->E18->F13->F12->G14->E13->F14->E12
]
(;B[gd]
C[a20170527: lol
bibbo: it's not a supervised learning bot...
Threadofmotion: omg what is haylee doing
]
(;W[gb]
C[JustBreathing: Alphazero is supervised learning
redreoicy: g16 is bold
ZenLeeBot: 81.6  G18->G15->E14->H15->E18->D17->C19->D19
]
(;B[cf]
C[tommygun: she didnt answer p14 is that gonna be ok
RileyBugz: maybe some last ditch effort?
JustBreathing: I mean unsupervised
oing: o_o
bibbo: it still doesn't guarantee good performance if it doesn't have the power to carry out its optimal strategy
]
(;W[ce]
C[a20170527: All I'm saying is just wait for bots that can develop a "theory of go", not just "feel" a move. (:
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(;B[df]
C[redreoicy: the corner became not alive
redreoicy: after white plays g15
]
(;W[bf]
C[ZenLeeBot: 84.4  B14->G15->H14->H13->G14->F14->H15->B13
]
(;B[ge]
C[JustBreathing: H14 huh
bugcat: Haylee's to wring some points out
bugcat: * trying
]
(;W[ff]
C[bugcat: or rather, crush some points
ZenLeeBot: 86.2 F14->G14->E18->C19->F13->F12->E12->F15
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(;B[gf]
C[Dorus: ZenLeeBot winrate report too high already anyway
JustBreathing: that's the thing about bots, they'll let you take points back, just never enough to win
]
(;W[eb]
(;B[dc]
(;W[ca]
C[bibbo: welp
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(;B[da]
C[Dorus: They can however still make mistakes and lose points.
Threadofmotion: ripppppp
pokeii: www
]
(;W[ac]
C[Sampi: bent 4 in the corner is only dead is surrounding stones are alive :P
ZenLeeBot: 90.8  C19->D19->A17->A18->B19->A15->A16->J18
]
(;B[ab]
(;W[ba]
C[JustBreathing: Can Haylee see the moves the bot is predicting?
]
(;B[ae]
C[Sampi: but this isnt bent 4...
Deep Scholar: no breathing
]
(;W[ad]
C[bugcat: Haylee went out in a blaze of glory at least
JustBreathing: gg
Tentative5kyu: resign?
BananaInPajamas: As the Korean players say,
BananaInPajamas: ㅋ
BananaInPajamas: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Threadofmotion: I don't think this is possible for black
]
(;B[hd]
C[Threadofmotion: yuppp
✿Pink Yoshida✿: Lol ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Oni: so any link to casting
tommygun: omg so rude
bibbo: i hate watching games that have gotten to this point but keep going
]
(;W[ib]
C[Haylee: thanks for the game!
ZenLeeBot: I appreciated the game :)
ZenLeeBot: gg
ZenLeeBot: Thank you for playing with me Haylee
ZenLeeBot: I have provided AQ move variations so you can see what the bot was thinking during the game
ZenLeeBot: How many points is white winning by
ZenLeeBot: Here
ZenLeeBot: [object Object\]
ZenLeeBot: [object Object\]
ZenLeeBot: [object Object\]
ZenLeeBot: [object Object\]
JustBreathing: it's a pro tho
Sampi: you're describing most games
pokeii: "makemasita"
Dorus: https://www.twitch.tv/smurphing is casting
bibbo: yeah, i hate watching the end of most games
BananaInPajamas: Well
TheBeginer: wow 
bugcat: gg!
battleporridge: gg
tommygun: good game!
BoneSaw: Thanks for the great game, Haylee
JustBreathing: aww that's so cure
Yaka_Go: Thanks for the game Haylee
✿Pink Yoshida✿: dank
adam: gg
Deep Scholar: gg
zediir: goog game
bugcat: Thanks for the game Haylee
KevF: Gg
BananaInPajamas: gg
JustBreathing: the bot can talk
oing: gg
Samraku:  Good game.
SamediSoir: awwwww <3
p616901748: gg
stock.up: gg
clywzach: g
Oni: gg
Revar Isavé: Thanks to the players!
omeara13: Thank you
BananaInPajamas: THE BOTS ARE LEARNING
Sarah Lisa: Gg :)
roy7: Enjoyable able, thank you Haylee and ZenLeeBot
lodestone: Thanks for playing this on OGS.
crino cmamirli: gg
Deep Scholar: yes breathing
King of the Phil: gg
ennuistic: That went bad from the bottom right in the beginning.
moocowpong1: looking forward to your thoughts Haylee :)
roy7: (er enjoyable game :) )
PATB: Thanks Haylee and ZenLeeBot!
RileyBugz: that was a fun game
lovecall: haylee
Sarah Lisa: Another please? :3
Gurxtav: Hi YouTube!
EricJHan: Nice game
Threadofmotion: gg
svk: gg
RealKiltedNinja: gg  that was fun :D
lovecall: [object Object\]
BananaInPajamas: I wants another dwyrin haylee game :P
metaphysician splurgist :): fineartoo ultra more fun ^^
KillerDucky: Haylee is probably talking to her camera for the youtube video right now
TheBeginer: aq vs dwryin next ??
EricJHan: Are we reviewing the game?
Sarah Lisa: Omg yesss TheBeginer
PATB: AQ v. Dwryin next!
Threadofmotion: looking forward to the commentary
ennuistic: AQ could probably give 3 stones.
TheBeginer: AQ gets a GTX1050mini against Dwryin 
bugcat: Well, White killed the corner
Mitsunari: nice game
lenix: nice game :)
Tentative5kyu: W+20 or so
ennuistic: pretty even on board before the corner died, so white winning by whatever the top left is worth and komi
BananaInPajamas: Anyone want to start a review?
bugcat: it's better to wait for the Haylee video I think
bugcat: if there is one
Sampi: there will probably be one in a few days
roy7: I assume she did this game for a video :)
BananaInPajamas: Oh there'll definitely be one up before long.
roy7: Maybe one day there'll be a Leela Zero video
Deep Scholar: hopefully
bugcat: it's getting stronker
bugcat: 6d now isn't it?
BananaInPajamas: Maybe one day, we can download alpha go cpu processors into our cerebral cortex and become instantly good at Go.
Sampi: [object Object\]
Gurxtav: Deep Scholar are you a bot or human playing?
Deep Scholar: human operated
Deep Scholar: i relay moves
Gurxtav: Ah ok
adam: so bot
roy7: ZenLenBot when you are all done here, want to give my LZ experiment version a match?
Deep Scholar: depends on the context of a bot as I choose moves it plays not what the program likes always
roy7: Chess people call it a centaur I think. human/bot hybrid play.
WhiteHalmos: @roy7 is that the maxlcb one?
Tentative5kyu: Wg9 was a strong move, probably came as a surprise for Haylee
Deep Scholar: yes i do centaur chess but go doesn't seem to use that word often
roy7: WhiteHalmos: Yeah I have an initial version working.
roy7: Go hasn't had strong AIs nearly as long as chess :)
Deep Scholar: yeah true so the term hasn't been really thing yet
Deep Scholar: for go
roy7: RoyalZeroSlow vs ZenLeeBot #11903792
ImmortalVoddoler: \]\]
ImmortalVoddoler: Sorry, dogs
mekriff: [object Object\]
vargos: [object Object\]
p616901748: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5biNBfTlmg
kidiam: [object Object\]
TheBeginer: here is how it would have played out after move 110 had you not lost the center, I set both to AQ : https://gokibitz.com/kifu/rk3XNIcuf
TheBeginer: http://eidogo.com/#TTEnsamV
JBXLeelaBot: hi
Arrow A6: Yup, bot 9d vs. real 6p ?
Minisoda: Nice
ZenLeeBot: 93.9 J18->L17->J17->J19->H19->H17->H18->K19
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