(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2020-12-13]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/29120327]
GN[Freundschaftsspiel]
PB[Isabel02]
PW[Elvina Kalsberg]
BR[?]
WR[2d]
TM[3600]OT[30 fischer]
RE[B+6.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Isabel02: Have a good game!
]
;B[pd]
(;W[dp]
(;B[pq]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: European Online Women's Go Championship 2020
💖 KoBa 💖: https://www.eurogofed.org/women/2020.html
]
(;W[dc]
(;B[ce]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: the last quater-final match! Elvina Kalsberg (Russia) -- Isabel Donle (Germany)
S_Alexander: boom let's watch
]
(;W[fd]
(;B[ch]
(;W[qo]
(;B[qp]
(;W[po]
(;B[nq]
C[Shinkenjoe: i've only seen tenuki after f16 lately
]
(;W[qk]
(;B[nc]
(;W[cd]
(;B[de]
(;W[cj]
C[rowlunch: Doesn't o17 make it easier for whites right group?
Shinkenjoe: whites right group is quite strong, sure black can play s11 and later attack the group, but white could tenuki 
]
(;B[dj]
C[rowlunch: K thanks :)
]
(;W[dk]
(;B[di]
(;W[hd]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: yeah, o17 makes r11 really nice move for white, and it makes whites top lot smaller
💖 KoBa 💖: [object Object\]
💖 KoBa 💖: *really nice move for black, i mean
]
(;B[fq]
(;W[eq]
(;B[fp]
C[rowlunch: So it was more about taking what white wanted?
]
(;W[dn]
(;B[qi]
C[Shinkenjoe: [object Object\]
rowlunch: And b got extension now 
]
(;W[ok]
C[Shinkenjoe: [object Object\]
]
(;B[cq]
(;W[er]
C[Ajibaba: i suspect the 3-3 was the leela move as in your variation and even more so before d10
]
(;B[bo]
C[rowlunch: What I don't get is why b wants to invade 3-3 when they have massive corner themselves which is open to invasion
Ajibaba: b wants to invade the 3-3 corner before she cuts at c9 because if she did it would fix the corner too
rowlunch: Aaah I see it ^^
Ajibaba: i dont think it is necessarily the correct approach 
]
(;W[co]
(;B[bp]
(;W[bn]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: [object Object\]
joachim: [object Object\]
]
(;B[cm]
(;W[cn]
C[joachim: B5 surprised me a bit
]
(;B[ck]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: [object Object\]
💖 KoBa 💖: looks messy af >___>
joachim: B4
rowlunch: C8 wouldn't work as response to peep?
Ajibaba: [object Object\]
Ajibaba: this is rather normal i think
Ajibaba: this is slightly worse for b than just cutting c9 without invading the corner first i think
]
(;W[bs]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: hmm at least w had to play in the corner again to make sure it stays dead, and c7 looks kinda helpful move for b
]
(;B[br]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: oh its not dead yet?
Ardargoz: Maybe for more I that's later,
Ardargoz: Ko*
Ardargoz: Threats*
Ajibaba: it is, but there is aji, beyond me to say when to do certain exchanges to activate it later
]
(;W[ds]
(;B[bm]
(;W[an]
(;B[ek]
C[Ajibaba: b2 gave potential h2 connection with go for free now
Ajibaba: with ko
]
(;W[fn]
C[Shinkenjoe: g6 looks slow
Shinkenjoe: em f6 sry
Ardargoz: Threatens to pull Sons
Ardargoz: Omg trying to use this with phone is bad
Shinkenjoe: it kinda pushes black into playing an extension, which she wants to do anyways
Ardargoz: F6 threatens to pull the stone out it attack the bottom
]
(;B[jq]
(;W[lc]
(;B[jc]
(;W[kd]
(;B[gc]
(;W[gd]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: k16 now?
]
(;B[jd]
(;W[je]
(;B[ke]
(;W[le]
(;B[kf]
C[Shinkenjoe: another standard move would have been m18 instead of k16
Ajibaba: m18 would have been too early
]
(;W[ie]
C[Shinkenjoe: hmm i thought m15 in place inhibits m18, but it still works
]
(;B[lf]
(;W[me]
(;B[nf]
C[pinel.loic: On WG16, I(ve tried WH17, think better for white
pinel.loic: but I'm probably around 18k don't think if it's good
Ajibaba: [object Object\]
Ajibaba: kind of complicated but i think this variation is the reason why in this case i dont think h17 is good
pinel.loic: thanks
tinsanun: rtghj,./hi 
Shinkenjoe: white thinking a lot, maybe thinking bout sacrificing the m17 group
pinel.loic: P15?
Shinkenjoe: maybe, i tried to read o16, but ended in desaster
]
(;W[nb]
C[hypergeometric: Koba : when is the next game ?
pinel.loic: N17 i(ve played when tried bO17
derler: according to eurogofed it's the day after tomorrow. let's enjoy this game first.
💖 KoBa 💖: the semi-final games havent been scheduled yet, but those should be on 15.-17th
💖 KoBa 💖: https://www.eurogofed.org/women/2020.html
]
(;B[ob]
C[Ajibaba: does w play to play m18 if b cut?
pinel.loic: Oh, it's a tournament ?
💖 KoBa 💖: championship tournament ^^
pinel.loic: owhowhowh
pinel.loic: I'm new on this game, it's cool to see a tournament :)
yunonka: welcome, Loic:)
Shinkenjoe: definitely
💖 KoBa 💖: yeah
]
(;W[mb]
C[Shinkenjoe: enter semeai
💖 KoBa 💖: its nice to have these kinda serious games on ogs ^^
]
(;B[jb]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: usually ewgc has been on some live location, and the only way to see the games has been if you're there standing next to the board 
Shinkenjoe: strike through the "kinda" 
Mbrez: the top games were always scribed on KGS except in 2018
]
(;W[oc]
C[NeonLights: Maybe when it was held on the Isle of Mann it wasn't broadcast
Shinkenjoe: they don't have internet?
joachim: Not enough scribes maybe.
pinel.loic: And, europen go federation ( EGF ? ) i've some entries ? For a new french player ?
pinel.loic: Or is it only for some ranked players ?
NeonLights: this year it is restricted to just 16
💖 KoBa 💖: pine, you will get an egf rank if you attend to some egf ranked tournament ^^
NeonLights: normally any woman can enter if they are a member of an EGF member federation
hypergeometric: who is winning ? 
hypergeometric: It seems to me that K17 is dead
Mbrez: you should start with a French go license :D it's the good moment to get one before the majoration
NeonLights: it is illegal to play go in France without a license
hypergeometric: What is a go licence good for ?
hypergeometric: wow really 
dlpigozzi: is k17 group or W's big group
NeonLights: yes, look what happened to André Moussa
]
(;B[pb]
C[dlpigozzi: what happened?
NeonLights: i don't know
Ajibaba: doesnt look easy to kill to me
Ajibaba: [object Object\]
pinel.loic: I'll try to search for FFG ( fédération française de go )
pinel.loic: thx for the informations, let's see this game :)
dacat1: hmm c9 looked a bit small: saving the corner might have been preferrable
dacat1: and this sacrifice looks a bit optimistic on black's part, let's see if it works out ^^
NeonLights: https://ffg.jeudego.org/
]
(;W[mf]
C[Shinkenjoe: you refer to sacrifice of O17?
]
(;B[fc]
(;W[ec]
(;B[eb]
C[Coreon: did b just died? E18 doesn't look sente
Coreon: *die
Phenol: H18 need
]
(;W[hb]
C[Phenol: ))
Shinkenjoe: so rather f18 than f17 ?
dacat1: if b can't resist n13 its kinda over...
Coreon: can't b make a Ko out of L17, M18?
dacat1: also black is dying on top ^^
Coreon: ah, no forget about that
Coreon: b ist just dead
]
(;B[hc]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: :<
Ajibaba: [object Object\]
]
(;W[db]
C[pinel.loic: It's the same way we saw earlier
pinel.loic: with wH17
]
(;B[id]
(;W[hf]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: isnt b alive now with g18?
Coreon: yea, I missed it again :D
]
(;B[mg]
(;W[lg]
(;B[kg]
(;W[ng]
(;B[lh]
(;W[of]
C[dacat1: so black is kind of surviving and got to play n13 after all
dacat1: nice
dacat1: [object Object\]
]
(;B[nh]
(;W[ne]
C[derler: I am not sure about black surviving yet. but at least black got n13 yeah.
Ajibaba: [object Object\]
Ajibaba: its something
]
(;B[gb]
(;W[dd]
(;B[ee]
(;W[ed]
C[dacat1: [object Object\]
dacat1: black giving those two and living in gote would probably not be playable ^^
Ajibaba: no you tenuki it i suppose
dacat1: mm, what would be the sequence for that?
]
(;B[oh]
(;W[od]
(;B[qe]
(;W[pc]
(;B[qc]
(;W[pe]
(;B[qd]
(;W[qf]
C[Ajibaba: probably hard to find one, which i wouldnt only mention in shame 
]
(;B[rf]
C[Shinkenjoe: time to count
dacat1: b really kind of survived 
NeonLights: is there a danger of black o16 there
dacat1: sort of ok on points and not bad on strength either, n13 ponnuki and all
]
(;W[hq]
(;B[hp]
(;W[iq]
C[Coreon: hmm white ist not easily alive in the left bottom corner either. could hurt in an upcoming fight if b manages to cut white off there
]
(;B[jp]
C[Shinkenjoe: i got white 54,5 (with komi) and black  and black 56 with my +- 10 points kyu count
]
(;W[ip]
(;B[io]
C[Shinkenjoe: but white just gained points in reference to my count
]
(;W[gp]
C[Coreon: why would be play K4 instead of J4?
]
(;B[go]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: g5 o.O
]
(;W[ho]
C[Chinitsu: G5 looks like the kind of move I play when I'm panicking...
]
(;B[hn]
(;W[fo]
C[Chinitsu: but it my case it usually end up when my opponent laughing at my face T_T
Chinitsu: *end up with
]
(;B[hp]
(;W[gq]
(;B[ir]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: b just gives up f3 stones now >__>
]
(;W[gn]
(;B[ho]
C[derler: what. I expected g6 or something. to reconstitute towards the middle. not j2.
Chinitsu: K5
Chinitsu: wait wait no lol
Chinitsu: I'm an idiot
]
(;W[gr]
(;B[om]
C[dacat1: i was wondering if b could plonk a stone down at r7 to annoy w
dacat1: i would have tried :D
Chinitsu: I would too, b is very strong nearby
]
(;W[qm]
C[Chinitsu: But maybe white can kill b R7 inside? This is common shape so probably people already have a joseki for it
dacat1: b would at least get free s5 endgame
dacat1: i dont care if it dies, I want s5 and s19 in sente :D
dacat1: *s10
Groin: Just joined. Are we in the yose already?
]
(;B[no]
(;W[nn]
C[Chinitsu: Yes, since move 1
Chinitsu: Fuseki is just big yose move for AI
Shinkenjoe: naa there was a hard fight top
Coreon: looks like b could make some points in the centre thoigh
]
(;B[mn]
C[Shinkenjoe: black has a small lead even without center, according to my count, so white gotta do sth
]
(;W[nm]
(;B[mm]
(;W[nl]
C[Coreon: But I thought b could play p6 instead of n6, I didnt see anything tricky for b
dacat1: [object Object\]
Coreon: anyway, if b is ahead there's no need to make the game more complicated
Chinitsu: Um I count white leading by komi actually...
]
(;B[oo]
C[Chinitsu: Q4 because spirit
]
(;W[pp]
C[Chinitsu: yay spirit
]
(;B[qq]
C[Groin: Gote spirit?
]
(;W[op]
(;B[np]
C[Chinitsu: better than gote spiritless
]
(;W[oq]
(;B[or]
(;W[nr]
C[Chinitsu: oooh
Chinitsu: the spirit is strong within this one
]
(;B[pr]
C[Chinitsu: I don't see anything though >_>
💖 KoBa 💖: why this way
GERLyde: [object Object\]
derler: tempting white to follow up on o2 maybe?
dacat1: w is slightly ahead I think...
]
(;W[ri]
C[Groin: A spirit full comment, thx GERLyde
dacat1: that step ko is usually a trap
dacat1: more trouble for w than its worth ^^
]
(;B[qg]
C[GERLyde: yeah I think so too
dacat1: usually its more like w r5 is sente endgame xD
Chinitsu: Why choose step-ko to live when you can kill O2 to live
]
(;W[rh]
C[Groin: To level down aji
]
(;B[on]
C[dacat1: p6 is huge
Groin: But ok black choice looks alright here
Shinkenjoe: the hard thing about counting is the endgame privileges
dacat1: much bigger than s12...
dacat1: i guess b might be good here 
GERLyde: The winner of this game plays Manja?
dacat1: think so
💖 KoBa 💖: yup
GERLyde: exciting :)
]
(;W[pl]
(;B[ml]
C[martin97: Q14 is some points 
dacat1: b can safely play d19 in sente...
]
(;W[mk]
C[dacat1: [object Object\]
dacat1: so e19 is actually super urgent
]
(;B[lk]
C[ThomSailor: margin of white is shrinking. Only 10 moku left
Chinitsu: :o you mean before white was winning by a lot more than 10moku?
]
(;W[hm]
C[ThomSailor: yep around 20
ThomSailor: now its 14 again ...
dacat1: aha...
pinel.loic: W? I thinked i losed the game
]
(;B[jn]
(;W[dl]
(;B[bk]
(;W[bj]
(;B[bi]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: i hope w doesnt lose on time >____>
Coreon: I only see w like 3-4 points ahead
]
(;W[cl]
(;B[bl]
(;W[dm]
(;B[hr]
C[Coreon: but probably my endgame isnt on point
derler: oh indeed. the clock is pretty harsh on white now.
]
(;W[fs]
(;B[mj]
(;W[pf]
(;B[nk]
(;W[rg]
C[Coreon: b15 should be kinda sente for b, since w isnt alive otherwise?
]
(;B[re]
(;W[im]
(;B[bd]
(;W[bc]
(;B[be]
(;W[ea]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: d19 before b16?
]
(;B[ib]
C[Shinkenjoe: was huge
]
(;W[ff]
(;B[fe]
(;W[gf]
(;B[ge]
(;W[he]
C[Tuks: black is ahead isn't she?
Shinkenjoe: i think so too, all others said white some moves before
Shinkenjoe: and some kata said like 10 to 15 points for white
CarloTibaldi: I think W is ahead
]
(;B[jm]
C[Chinitsu: I count b ahead now too
]
(;W[ik]
C[martin97: B is clearly winning, no?
]
(;B[ol]
(;W[oj]
C[Shinkenjoe: f14 surprised me
CarloTibaldi: at least she think so :-)
Ajibaba: e10 is problematic
martin97: R12 looks tempting
godevil: Q12
]
(;B[qh]
C[derler: yeah r12 was clearly better
]
(;W[rp]
(;B[rq]
(;W[ro]
(;B[fj]
(;W[dg]
C[Chinitsu: L17
]
(;B[cg]
(;W[am]
(;B[aj]
(;W[jl]
(;B[qj]
(;W[rj]
C[Chinitsu: hmmm L17 looks extremely tempting to me
]
(;B[fb]
C[claus67: maybe black f10 wasnt good. i preferred e13
Chinitsu: ... at least a lot bigger than F18....
]
(;W[oa]
(;B[qb]
(;W[kb]
(;B[kc]
C[Shinkenjoe: why not a16
]
(;W[ja]
C[Shinkenjoe: or a17
]
(;B[ld]
(;W[md]
(;B[ac]
(;W[ab]
(;B[ad]
(;W[bb]
(;B[ia]
C[Chinitsu: O16 before M16 should be better?
]
(;W[ka]
(;B[sp]
(;W[so]
(;B[sq]
(;W[kl]
(;B[pn]
(;W[qn]
C[pinel.loic: White win ? Black i'd no chance to win some point around E13 on the game ?
]
(;B[jj]
C[pinel.loic: When he played around B8, it was not bigger tu take the colomn E around E13 ?
Shinkenjoe: are you sure youre coordinates are right?
]
(;W[jh]
C[pinel.loic: Yes, B9 turn 139, 
Chinitsu: not sure what you mean I see black winning
pinel.loic: Oh ok
]
(;B[ij]
C[pinel.loic: If black win it's ok XD
kusrabs: unfortunately Isabel looks like a winner... 
]
(;W[hi]
C[N O V E M B E R: Unfortunately you have only 12k
💖 KoBa 💖: whats unfortunate about that? xD
kusrabs: We secretly dreamed about Russian final
]
(;B[fh]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: hahah
derler: yeah. we will have germany vs russia in the final then. :-) that's fortunate tzo know for both countries. ;-)
kusrabs: https://online-go.com/player/857361/N%20O%20V%20E%20M%20B%20E%20R, it makes your manners better?
Chinitsu: Isabel02's account is only 16k N O V E M B E R :p
]
(;W[fg]
(;B[gh]
(;W[hj]
C[Chinitsu: Germany is very strong. I remember in 2012 I came to Hamburg to work for a yeah and played with some people
Chinitsu: zero win...
Chinitsu: two of the guys were even playing chess when I arrived...
N O V E M B E R: She has few games)
timuzhti: It says 21.2k for me
]
(;B[gl]
C[Shinkenjoe: such a sandbagger
]
(;W[gm]
C[Shinkenjoe: ^^
]
(;B[eh]
(;W[df]
(;B[hh]
C[Chinitsu: oh
Chinitsu: looks like a cut
Chinitsu: ah no cut sorry
]
(;W[kj]
(;B[ki]
(;W[kk]
(;B[ji]
(;W[fl]
(;B[gk]
(;W[hk]
C[Chinitsu: great they are playing 1 point gote moves now...
derler: :-D
💖 KoBa 💖: w feeling the time pressure ;___; 
]
(;B[ig]
(;W[ii]
(;B[ih]
C[Chinitsu: Frischer is very timesuji-friendly
N O V E M B E R: W mistake
]
(;W[ni]
(;B[mi]
(;W[oi]
(;B[og]
C[Chinitsu: L10 was mistake imo, but black is winning anyway, mistake around this point is not enough to change result
]
(;W[km]
(;B[kn]
(;W[nf]
(;B[hl]
(;W[il]
(;B[el]
(;W[em]
(;B[pa]
(;W[na]
C[N O V E M B E R: White could play t3
]
(;B[sg]
(;W[sh]
(;B[sf]
C[kusrabs: https://online-go.com/player/857361/N%20O%20V%20E%20M%20B%20E%20R, are you sure? It's not empty.
derler: probably t13. as we just saw that move.
]
(;W[fi]
C[N O V E M B E R: No, t3 earlier
]
(;B[ej]
(;W[cf]
(;B[bf]
(;W[gi]
(;B[fa]
(;W[da]
(;B[in]
(;W[lm]
(;B[ln]
(;W[jf]
(;B[jg]
(;W[hs]
(;B[js]
(;W[lj]
C[Daniug: b ahea by kind of 10?
N O V E M B E R: 6
]
(;B[li]
(;W[ll]
(;B[pm]
(;W[al]
(;B[ci]
(;W[pg]
(;B[ph]
(;W[mk]
C[derler: blacks last moves kinda lost me.
Chinitsu: mmm?
]
(;B[nj]
(;W[pk]
(;B[kd]
(;W[lk]
(;B[fk]
(;W[fm]
(;B[mh]
(;W[rk]
(;B[is]
(;W[gs]
(;B[dh]
C[Chinitsu: there was nothing at S8 it seems
Ajibaba: there was
]
(;W[eg]
(;B[hg]
(;W[]
C[kernel_m0d3: is white a9 gonna take 1 point off black?
]
(;B[]
C[Isabel02: thank you
💖 KoBa 💖: gg! awesome game isabel! 
timuzhti: No. Black doesn't have to connect.
Chinitsu: Ah yeah S8 was viable
isibboi: gg
kusrabs: Хорошая игра. 
Ajibaba: gg
Chinitsu: gg
derler: good game
Shinkenjoe: tx
robertmehl: gg
HappyLook: [object Object\]
]
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