(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-01-15]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/30133496]
GN[Grand Prix Final round 2]
PB[AndriiKravets]
PW[Sandmann6d]
BR[?]
WR[9d]
TM[2700]OT[20 fischer]
RE[B+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
;B[pd]
(;W[dc]
(;B[pp]
(;W[cp]
(;B[eq]
(;W[do]
(;B[ce]
(;W[ed]
(;B[ch]
(;W[nq]
(;B[pn]
(;W[pr]
(;B[qq]
(;W[kq]
(;B[iq]
(;W[qf]
(;B[qi]
(;W[qc]
(;B[qd]
(;W[pc]
(;B[od]
(;W[rd]
(;B[re]
C[Zaphodian: hmmm, I like R11 at R12
]
(;W[rc]
(;B[qe]
(;W[nc]
C[FremchGuy: is there a twitch review?
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
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(;B[me]
C[xxchemotoxx: i think Ben will do twitch today, but maybe for the later games
FremchGuy: oh cool
hypergeometric: what is the best attack W can do against the lower left black group ?
hypergeometric: I'm curious 
hypergeometric: does G3 works for example ? is it better to pressure in G4 ? 
hypergeometric: or something else ? 
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(;W[no]
C[Mardipaev: slow
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(;B[cq]
(;W[bq]
C[Zaphodian: The schedule for today's games can be found here: https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html
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(;B[dq]
(;W[cd]
C[Zaphodian: G3 vs G4, G4 is certainly wrong. If you want to press, F4 would be preferable.
hypergeometric: thanks ! would you press or G3 ? 
Zaphodian: C16 should be at C10 I think. But W's plan is C16 D15 C10
Zaphodian: when? instead of O5?
]
(;B[dm]
(;W[fo]
C[hypergeometric: yes 
hypergeometric: instead of O5 
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
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(;B[br]
(;W[bo]
C[hypergeometric: I felt it was a good time to attack it before it was stronger 
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(;B[aq]
(;W[cl]
(;B[cm]
(;W[bm]
(;B[bn]
(;W[cn]
(;B[bl]
(;W[an]
C[ronin3: c8 was a fine move
]
(;B[mc]
C[ben0: [object Object\]
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(;W[nb]
(;B[ck]
(;W[om]
(;B[on]
(;W[nn]
(;B[nm]
(;W[ol]
(;B[mm]
(;W[ql]
C[Mardipaev: I would have prefered B7 over A3
Puumanamana: why did black connect at d3 earlier instead of C2?
Zaphodian: This looks like a successful invasion by W 
]
(;B[mp]
(;W[np]
(;B[qm]
(;W[qj]
(;B[pi]
(;W[ri]
(;B[rh]
(;W[rm]
(;B[rn]
(;W[rk]
(;B[si]
C[hypergeometric: white has no eyes no 
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(;W[qr]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
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(;B[sm]
C[Zaphodian: R2 was greedy, I think
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(;W[sj]
(;B[rj]
(;W[sl]
C[nidza: i would play n7 at o8
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(;B[pl]
C[tritis: hello
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(;W[pk]
(;B[rl]
(;W[ri]
(;B[qk]
C[kantanat100: Hi
LVL79: Kung fu
kantanat100: Nooby
hypergeometric: W doesn't have ko threats no ? 
Zaphodian: ??? R9 at P9 was better
kantanat100: T12
kantanat100: [object Object\]
]
(;W[pj]
(;B[rj]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Looks like a horrible for W now. As if you take the wings of a fly in flight.
Zaphodian: (oops * horrible crash*)
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
ben0: hello people, Ill start a commentary of this game in about 10min, https://www.twitch.tv/zeroben0 and I'll try to do all games today
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(;W[mk]
(;B[sk]
(;W[lm]
C[Zaphodian: OK, you will be very busy
xxchemotoxx: wow :D
hypergeometric: looks painful for white 
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(;B[ln]
(;W[km]
C[ben0: fun fact, in that situation, ponnuki arent worth 30 pts each
]
(;B[mn]
C[hypergeometric: :D 
FremchGuy: 😂😂
hypergeometric: sad 
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(;W[ml]
C[Zaphodian: Really? 30 x 6 = 180!
Fredda91: nice invasion
Fredda91: b is overconcentrated
Fredda91: w must be ahead
Zaphodian: nope
ben0: let's face it fredda, in a kgs blitz, black would still die on the right
]
(;B[kp]
C[Zaphodian: But M6 was questionable
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(;W[jp]
(;B[jo]
(;W[ip]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
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(;B[lq]
(;W[jq]
C[wxh100: M5 is goos
wxh100: good
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(;B[kr]
C[wxh100: M5 Probably
Zaphodian: B might be thinking of L2 though
Zaphodian: oops, and he does it
Zaphodian: L5 now
wxh100: It's another way
wxh100: [object Object\]
wxh100: [object Object\]
wxh100: [object Object\]
wxh100: [object Object\]
Fredda91: pls keep going
Fredda91: what can white do next_
wxh100: The first and fourth versions can have White capture four stones
wxh100: Alright
wxh100: [object Object\]
wxh100: A good point
wxh100: Or somewhere around it
wxh100: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
wxh100: Pretty good; The stones are probably dead now...
wxh100: If they're alive, the strong influence makes up for it times a million
wxh100: And the J3 stone is weak
wxh100: [object Object\]
wxh100: [object Object\]
hypergeometric: I don't think I would tenuki as white .... 
wxh100: okay
wxh100: [object Object\]
wxh100: And a continuation
tekken8: [object Object\]
wxh100: Black Connects.
wxh100: Continuation:
wxh100: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: You had better look at my variation - I am about 6-7 dan.
wxh100: Yours is a question mark
tekken8: pro?
wxh100: Plus the leaderboard sayare between 4k and 5ks you 
wxh100: Press the chat icon
Zaphodian: I am 3 times European Champ.
Martin_L: _D
wxh100: Oh wow
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(;W[mr]
C[You in mid air: the quality of this game is way too low. even black wasted 16 moves on the right side to get what? so inefficient...
Leptir: Zaphodian - https://senseis.xmp.net/?RobVanZeijst
Leptir: he is :)
Zaphodian: And was 3/4 place for the pro qual 2-3 years back
tekken8: thats cool
wxh100: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: So W was unable to read out my variation.
tekken8: why not B K2 instead of N2?
hypergeometric: maybe to also be alive in case the left lower group get disconnected ? 
wxh100: Yeah, the positionis pretty low
ben0: review of this game started at : https://www.twitch.tv/zeroben0
Qinglong: cheers
]
(;B[jm]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
redreoicy: I count 180 points for black on the right side alone
redreoicy: 6 * 30 for the ponnukis
wxh100: A ponnuki isn't exactly 30 points...
tekken8: wait 6?
You in mid air: black should really consider getting a new job instead of being a go pro. doesnt matter if he wins this game or not,,,,this is not on a professional level
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(;W[lr]
C[Anthe: katago thinks different ...
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(;B[jl]
(;W[kk]
C[death_taxes: !
tekken8: why not P9 before K6 for B?
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(;B[io]
C[death_taxes: wtf is this position?
wxh100: Im not B
]
(;W[hp]
C[death_taxes: just logged in
]
(;B[ij]
C[Zaphodian: B got away with it
wxh100: [object Object\]
CarloTibaldi: "you in mid air", you are for sure 9d pro to be able to express such a judjement ;-)
wxh100: Who
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(;W[hm]
(;B[kn]
C[wxh100: E12 is good
You in mid air: im not merely as goo as ant 3d on ogs but i have watched many games in my life. i know how strong other players are.
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(;W[ki]
(;B[jh]
C[You in mid air: any high dan on ogs could beat this black player for sure
death_taxes: ok up until the right part started it was pretty normal i'd say
Yezurof: ahahahah
death_taxes: b has to be much better here, no?
]
(;W[oi]
C[redreoicy: b is
You in mid air: just look at hte right side,,,b put 16moves to get 15points,,,,
You in mid air: no real pro ever does that
Zaphodian: Hmmm, I am not sure about that@You in mid air. I watched a top pro recently and for the first 50 moves it wasn;t clear at all how strong they were. 
wxh100: [object Object\]
hypergeometric: lol wxh100, if black plays P10 white can capture
Zaphodian: Actually @You in mid air, the right side was good for B
]
(;B[nl]
C[redreoicy: of course it was, 120 points from just the ponnukis alone :)
death_taxes: yeah, w has a floating group inside b's moyo
EverettLiu: :)
hypergeometric: I agree with rereoicy ! I'll remember this technics in endgame, to create points easily if I'm losing :)))) 
You in mid air: i never said the right side was not good for b
wxh100: [object Object\]
death_taxes: i'm wondering if b O11 works
wxh100: I try
]
(;W[mi]
C[Zaphodian: I must have misread your name at the 14:19 time mark
death_taxes: for some reason i can't click on variations in chat, any suggestions?
]
(;B[oh]
C[Zaphodian: ou don't need to click
wxh100: [object Object\]
death_taxes: also can't see moves if i hover above
Zaphodian: Game looks pretty much over
wxh100: [object Object\]
wxh100: O12 is good in my opinion
wxh100: [object Object\]
hypergeometric: wxh, usually people who share variations are the one who are dan/low kyu
hypergeometric: otherwise everyone will share their own variations 
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(;W[nh]
(;B[oj]
C[hypergeometric: just a comment :D
wxh100: ok
wxh100: Sure
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(;W[nj]
(;B[ni]
C[death_taxes: ok now i see variations, al good
wxh100: I just like to experiment (probably)
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(;W[ji]
C[Zaphodian: Yeah, the players like to win, which is slightly different.
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(;B[ii]
(;W[oi]
(;B[oc]
(;W[ob]
(;B[ni]
(;W[ih]
C[wxh100: I think W will timeout
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(;B[jg]
C[hypergeometric: Should W resign ? 
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(;W[hh]
C[wxh100: Estimate score, B by 13.5
Zaphodian: "Should" is a strong statement
wxh100: The right is basically all Black's territory
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(;B[oi]
C[wxh100: Now B by 14.5
redreoicy: amusingly, the 4 ponnukis turned into almost 120 points after all
]
(;W[lj]
C[Zaphodian: White is busily building his own ponnuki shapes 
hypergeometric: :DD
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(;B[gi]
(;W[if]
(;B[jf]
(;W[ie]
(;B[je]
(;W[id]
(;B[jj]
(;W[lh]
(;B[nk]
C[CarloTibaldi: https://online-go.com/game/30135323
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: Andrii is such a bully
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(;W[lf]
(;B[jd]
(;W[ic]
C[Zaphodian: But is he a killer?
Mardipaev: does he need to be?
Zaphodian: If you can, you should
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(;B[mg]
C[Zaphodian: He goes for the kill
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(;W[lg]
(;B[le]
C[hypergeometric: M11 and M9 are two eyes no 
hypergeometric: ? 
hypergeometric: or maybe it's a ko ?
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(;W[kj]
(;B[kl]
(;W[ll]
(;B[mj]
(;W[jk]
C[wxh100: It probably is
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: just take profit 
hypergeometric: has black any ko threats ? 
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: [object Object\]
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(;B[ik]
(;W[nj]
(;B[bd]
C[DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: so he counted that it's enough
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(;W[mf]
(;B[mj]
(;W[of]
C[Zaphodian: It's still a ko But W is aiming at cutting with S14 later
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: yes
hypergeometric: what is white trying to do ? 
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(;B[og]
(;W[ng]
(;B[lk]
(;W[kh]
(;B[cc]
(;W[rf]
C[hypergeometric: can white disconnect Q16 ?
hypergeometric: sorry 
hypergeometric: (tell me if I'm too annoying with the questions)
death_taxes: no
death_taxes: he cannot
hypergeometric: [object Object\]
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(;B[sf]
C[hypergeometric: does my variation makes sense 
hypergeometric: ?
death_taxes: no
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(;W[de]
(;B[dd]
C[death_taxes: T14 is the move
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(;W[sg]
(;B[se]
(;W[cd]
(;B[ne]
(;W[nf]
(;B[dd]
(;W[nd]
C[hypergeometric: they are fighting for another ponuki 
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(;B[oe]
(;W[cd]
C[DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: ahah
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(;B[en]
C[DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: it's worth 30 points after all
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(;W[be]
(;B[dd]
(;W[rg]
(;B[pf]
(;W[cd]
C[death_taxes: hm
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(;B[cf]
(;W[bc]
C[death_taxes: was w S13 a mistake?
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(;B[dd]
(;W[pg]
(;B[pe]
C[DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: why would it be ?
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(;W[cd]
C[death_taxes: it gets an extra kothreat compared to Q14 but loses at least 1 point?
death_taxes: 2 if you also count Q13?
death_taxes: maybe more important to win the C16 ko?
LVL79: G4?
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: yeah but maybe he can squeeze p15 and force to capture so fine ?
]
(;B[hq]
C[death_taxes: ah
FrancoisGo: [object Object\]
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(;W[ad]
(;B[jr]
(;W[gp]
C[death_taxes: but even if w manages to force a squeeze, b will have to spend 2 moves
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(;B[gq]
(;W[eo]
(;B[rr]
(;W[pq]
(;B[rq]
(;W[mo]
(;B[lo]
(;W[or]
(;B[bp]
(;W[gj]
(;B[dl]
(;W[hi]
(;B[gn]
C[AndriiKravets: thanks
Sandmann6d: thx
Sandmann6d: epic fail(
AndriiKravets: [object Object\]
death_taxes: that was one-sided
💖 KoBa 💖: gg ^^
You in mid air: white has a chance if he got 7handi
death_taxes: you're not funny
LVL79: Gg
LVL79: Вітаю!
kusrabs: [object Object\]
Daniug: [object Object\]
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