(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-01-17]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/30201071]
GN[Grand prix]
PB[Sandmann6d]
PW[Avtikh]
BR[9d]
WR[3k]
TM[2700]OT[20 fischer]
RE[W+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Sandmann6d: have a nice game
Avtikh: have a good game
]
;B[qd]
C[Sandmann6d: have a nice game
Avtikh: have a good game
]
(;W[pp]
(;B[dc]
(;W[cp]
(;B[eq]
(;W[ce]
(;B[do]
(;W[co]
(;B[dn]
(;W[cm]
(;B[dm]
(;W[cl]
(;B[dl]
(;W[dk]
(;B[cn]
(;W[bn]
(;B[df]
C[Sandmann6d: quatrevingt pique
awaytoplay: tiger is tempting
]
(;W[cj]
(;B[cf]
C[awaytoplay: so greedy ..
]
(;W[dq]
(;B[dr]
(;W[cr]
(;B[qq]
C[dacat1: ali grabbing cash like the rest of the board doesn't exist
dacat1: d3 cant be right
dacat1: ok c10 mayyyybe
]
(;W[pq]
(;B[qp]
(;W[po]
(;B[rn]
(;W[oc]
(;B[ld]
C[dacat1: where is zaphodius
]
(;W[iq]
C[Zaphodian: He is here
]
(;B[dp]
(;W[cq]
C[dacat1: i called him :D
hypergeometric: nice invocation
]
(;B[gq]
(;W[qm]
C[hypergeometric: what is the best way to use the C15 stone ?
]
(;B[qn]
(;W[pn]
C[dacat1: for now, dont
美国唐杰: D3 doesn't seem like a bad move though. Very solid/territorial move.
dacat1: later, c17 and make some life
美国唐杰: And slow
awaytoplay: [object Object\]
dacat1: very solid/territorial move, you mean you lose sente for endgame? :D
美国唐杰: I would do it, especially against viktor
]
(;B[od]
C[美国唐杰: Seems to me Viktor has trouble using moyos properly 
Zaphodian: You are quite the American-Chinese hero.
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;W[pr]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
awaytoplay: it's not a moyo issue, he tried to outsmart his opponent instead of looking for good moves
]
(;B[ql]
(;W[rm]
(;B[rl]
(;W[pm]
(;B[sm]
(;W[pl]
(;B[qj]
C[美国唐杰: Could be both :D
]
(;W[pc]
(;B[qc]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;W[pj]
C[awaytoplay: tha ponnuki looks overconcentrated
]
(;B[qi]
C[Zaphodian: another possibility
美国唐杰: Maybe Ali thinks black will connect instead of blocking
]
(;W[pd]
(;B[pe]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
hypergeometric: the left right side looks roughly symmetric no ? Except that black is better on the top 
]
(;W[mc]
C[hypergeometric: I mean white has more solid wall 
]
(;B[lc]
C[Zaphodian: And W potentially has a move at J5
美国唐杰: Whites wall is like late-game boss and blacks is in-game boss
Zaphodian: I guess we're gonna see an old joseki reappearing
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
awaytoplay: is the order important, or will white always get the ponnuki
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;W[oe]
C[Zaphodian: The players will give you my answer :-)
dacat1: the players have a bad habit of giving the wrong answer
]
(;B[pf]
C[Zaphodian: But actually, W may even tenuki after B Q14
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
dacat1: but ponukiiiiii
美国唐杰: Are you thinking this?
Zaphodian: Hmmm, yes, they are human after all.
dacat1: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
美国唐杰: Yeah but I just don't see a white tenuki
Zaphodian: Because he hasn;t played one yet.
Zaphodian: There are more shocking things in the world
Zaphodian: As much as I'd like to protect you from the incongruencies in this world...
美国唐杰: I mean i asked what you were thinking
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: You sound like my wife
美国唐杰: Maybe in your last life. 😂
-ONI-: [object Object\]
]
(;W[nd]
C[Zaphodian: Well, my wife never asked me what I thought.
]
(;B[jp]
(;W[ip]
C[Zaphodian: there you go!
美国唐杰: Aye
Zaphodian: So you got the asnwer to your J5 move.
]
(;B[jq]
C[Zaphodian: J5 was just toooooooo
美国唐杰: Not sure I like the shoulder hit here... even if it's an AI move
Zaphodian: K4 J4 K3 is modern style
美国唐杰: J5 was fine
]
(;W[io]
(;B[kn]
C[Zaphodian: L6 looks crazy to me...
Zaphodian: No, J5 was "nurui" = lukewarm 
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;W[fp]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Dacat, are you there still?
]
(;B[gp]
(;W[go]
(;B[fo]
(;W[fn]
(;B[eo]
C[美国唐杰: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Looks great fow W
美国唐杰: I'd say white have the advantage here.
]
(;W[gm]
C[dacat1: zaphodian has called me back
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
dacat1: and thus, I doth returned
Zaphodian: ok, that's good
ronin3: J7 for B now?
dacat1: i mean I'll be gone soon enough, doing twitch commentary onthis game
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
dacat1: looks correct
Zaphodian: On this game? It is a good game
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
dacat1: j2 hane always priority in this type of shape
dacat1: i like b
Zaphodian: Listen, I have something against "reasonable".
dacat1: xDDD
美国唐杰: I didn't see you post it lol
dacat1: i like black, w d3 is slow and o16 is arguably slow as well
]
(;B[bo]
C[awaytoplay: forget about d3 and o16
dacat1: black's shoulder hit at k4 is correct and it seems b is doing a good job of reducing white's wall
Zaphodian: OAHHH, slow?
]
(;W[bm]
C[awaytoplay: there are several groups that may or may not die later
Zaphodian: Yup, I agree with your assessment that K4 was the right choice
hypergeometric: is E2 sente ? with black B5 
dacat1: @awaytoplay i'm not saying that sandmann can survive this position
dacat1: im saying it's objectively good for black
]
(;B[kl]
C[dacat1: because w has mad mistakes, whereas black hasn't 
Zaphodian: Yes, awaytoplay, that is nice broad remark
美国唐杰: Wow...
美国唐杰: J2 sequence was free
Zaphodian: are you putting yourself on the line now?
dacat1: anyway, white's mistakes are small, in practice w has a very playable game
]
(;W[fr]
C[Zaphodian: I think W is leading
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: But I think W should play K2 fairly quickly, otherwise B will get J2 in sente
美国唐杰: I don't think k2 is as big as it was before this move
dacat1: im surprised viktor didn't take j2
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
美国唐杰: J8 seems like it reduced the value of the hane
dacat1: as barbaric as it looks, what about k5 cut for w, eventually
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: I love, dacat, how you you use the word eventually.
tekken8: can anyone explain B5?
Zaphodian: Not really
美国唐杰: It's sente that's it
Zaphodian: B has some vague dreams that C1 would become sente some day.
awaytoplay: the move gained 20 seconds
tekken8: i was thinking E2 for black might have some follow-up in the corner
tekken8: couldnt find anything
tekken8: ohk
]
(;B[gr]
(;W[er]
C[Zaphodian: It just makes C1 B1 and D1or E1 sente.
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
tekken8: got it
awaytoplay: it also loses b9
Zaphodian: So how high can a purpose be?
]
(;B[ir]
(;W[fq]
(;B[ho]
C[Zaphodian: and B will get what he asked for
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: So now H5 is an opportune moment
]
(;W[hn]
C[美国唐杰: White should connect I think
]
(;B[gn]
C[美国唐杰: Or not..
ronin3: so B has chosen death in ko
Zaphodian: Connect where?
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: I agree - that sould be nice for W
ronin3: maybe B plans to not answer any ko threat on the right
awaytoplay: it is suprisingly difficult to finish the ko as black
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
ronin3: it's a mere 24pts corner after all
美国唐杰: I think 2 could also be at f8
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Connecting at 1 is a no-no
]
(;W[qk]
C[ronin3: be brave, B - ignore this!
Zaphodian: R9 is crazy - a huge investment
awaytoplay: always play the damaging ko threats first
hypergeometric: you mean it's a bad ko threat ?
Zaphodian: It's auto-damaging
ronin3: what would be a damaging ko threat here?
Zaphodian: T8 would have been better
dacat1: [object Object\]
💖 KoBa 💖: how many threats there are for white?
美国唐杰: More than black!
💖 KoBa 💖: if b blocks s9, is connecting q9 sente?
美国唐杰: No I don't think so
]
(;B[rk]
(;W[go]
C[Zaphodian: Yes, so, B is losing this...
]
(;B[kr]
C[ronin3: chorus: booooo
]
(;W[hp]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Oh, he played it already, as he should
ronin3: what did B expect
ronin3: he should have heeded my advice
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
]
(;B[qr]
C[Sandmann6d: belote
ronin3: ohh that was the plan
hypergeometric: can black afford to sacrifices the D6 stones ? 
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
ronin3: I think he will for the attack on the W wall
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: I disagree American Chinese Hero
美国唐杰: Just Tangjie,  thanks
alte_hippe: [object Object\]
AlphazeroGo: 是中国的打1
Zaphodian: ok
]
(;W[lq]
C[Zaphodian: R2 makes and takes a base
美国唐杰: 你的意思是什么?
Zaphodian: A belote is a "royal" pair of a King and a Queen of a trump suit. A belote is worth 20 points, and must be declared when the first of them is played (not necessarily during the first round).
AlphazeroGo: 是中国人的打1
美国唐杰: I'm not sure why you disagree Zaphodian. If black couldn't win the ko then s9 is not as equal as white being able to capture d8 group.
AlphazeroGo: 你们都几d？我业余5段
美国唐杰: Whites wall is thick, won't be easy to attack.
AlphazeroGo: 我5d
Zaphodian: Yes, but that's what we are comparing
Zaphodian: In general a bad move is a bad move
]
(;B[mq]
C[美国唐杰: 我是狸狐8段
Zaphodian: 8D on Fox?
Zaphodian: That's ok
美国唐杰: Eh it's hard to hold
Zaphodian: That's almost the level of Ali, I guess
Zaphodian: Like a European 6-7d, I guess
美国唐杰: More on the 6d side than 7
dacat1: I just started live commentary of this game, if anyone is interested :) https://www.twitch.tv/dacat1
美国唐杰: I haven't beaten a Chinese 6d yet.
alte_hippe: I was never beaten by a chinese 6d
美国唐杰: Yet 🤣
Zaphodian: I was beaten by Nieh Weiping
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;W[mp]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Like this?
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[lp]
(;W[lo]
(;B[kp]
(;W[nq]
(;B[mr]
(;W[nr]
(;B[mo]
(;W[np]
(;B[de]
C[Zaphodian: D15 is huge
hypergeometric: if it's black turn can D6 be saved ?
]
(;W[ic]
(;B[ie]
C[Zaphodian: Yes, B can play around E9
Zaphodian: But that will become a really weak group
]
(;W[ec]
C[Zaphodian: E17 looks like the right move
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
美国唐杰: [object Object\]
美国唐杰: I think black will split
]
(;B[ed]
(;W[fc]
(;B[db]
(;W[jd]
(;B[je]
(;W[ke]
(;B[kd]
C[ben0: [object Object\]
]
(;W[le]
(;B[hb]
C[Picaresque: Nice one vik
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Ohhh, Ben, that was nice
Picaresque: Is j16 possible?
]
(;W[lb]
(;B[hc]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;W[hd]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[id]
(;W[jc]
(;B[lr]
(;W[gd]
(;B[he]
(;W[ib]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ga]
(;W[gj]
(;B[nk]
C[nidza: if white just lives now with n6, o9 looks weird
]
(;W[pk]
(;B[ni]
C[hypergeometric: who's leading ? assuming the D8 stones are dead
]
(;W[mm]
(;B[ln]
(;W[mn]
(;B[nl]
(;W[nm]
C[Welvang: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ia]
(;W[md]
(;B[jb]
(;W[kc]
(;B[no]
(;W[oo]
(;B[ko]
(;W[pi]
(;B[ph]
(;W[oh]
(;B[oi]
(;W[nn]
(;B[fj]
(;W[fk]
(;B[gk]
(;W[fl]
(;B[fi]
(;W[hj]
(;B[hh]
(;W[bg]
(;B[bi]
(;W[ch]
C[ofer.zivony: I'm expecting Q13...
]
(;B[ci]
(;W[di]
(;B[dh]
C[hypergeometric: what is black trying to achieve ?
]
(;W[bf]
C[ofer.zivony: trying to enclose that little area...
]
(;B[be]
(;W[bh]
(;B[ij]
(;W[eh]
(;B[dg]
(;W[ei]
(;B[hk]
(;W[fh]
(;B[bj]
(;W[bk]
(;B[ej]
(;W[dj]
C[ofer.zivony: enough aji to pull out g16 with g15?
]
(;B[gh]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: [object Object\]
💖 KoBa 💖: ah nvm
]
(;W[pg]
(;B[qh]
C[yahel.or.3: R13
Welvang: white seems to be winning big
Welvang: can still connect with g15 most likely
Welvang: r13 is also really painful
]
(;W[ge]
C[ofer.zivony: is it setting up the ladder?
ofer.zivony: I guess it is
yahel.or.3: yes R13  begar
ofer.zivony: [object Object\]
]
(;B[gf]
(;W[ff]
(;B[gg]
(;W[ef]
C[yahel.or.3: E14 F15 K14?
]
(;B[fe]
C[yahel.or.3: ok
]
(;W[ek]
C[ofer.zivony: stubborn move by b
]
(;B[ee]
(;W[gi]
C[Sandmann6d: grr
Sandmann6d: thx
Avtikh: thanks for the game
yahel.or.3: gg
💖 KoBa 💖: gg!
fightyoats: gg
alte_hippe: gg
]
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