(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-01-24]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/30415397]
GN[Grand Prix Finale]
PB[roln90]
PW[Avtikh]
BR[2d]
WR[3k]
TM[2700]OT[20 fischer]
RE[W+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Avtikh: have a good game
roln90: have a nice game
]
;B[pd]
(;W[dp]
(;B[pq]
(;W[dc]
(;B[ce]
(;W[qo]
(;B[op]
(;W[ed]
(;B[cq]
(;W[qc]
C[siinsticker@yahoo.com: hello :D
ys3: lets play mirror go
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(;B[qd]
(;W[cp]
(;B[dq]
(;W[pc]
C[ys3: ali must have some strategy on when to break
siinsticker@yahoo.com: (>_<)
ronin3: how to get out of this
isibboi: Never expected to see mirror go in a pro game 
death_taxes: ilya deep thinking here
death_taxes: uncharacteristic of him i'd say
ys3: trying to find a situation where it would be bad to continue mirror go while also not hurting him much
]
(;B[ep]
(;W[od]
C[ys3: usually youd want to be aware earlier than this to set it up
ronin3: I was thinking of this move!
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(;B[oe]
C[death_taxes: well, last game against ali we blew his lead because he was blitzing, so maybe he decided to be more careful now
ys3: now ali considers whether to break mirror
ronin3: the short answer if b wants to break, is tengen, right?
ys3: thats the way that would make w happy, yes
ys3: so usually b has to be more clever than that
death_taxes: sometimes in mirror go there are opposing ladders running against one another 
death_taxes: if w keeps mirroring...
ys3: yeah but ilya didnt really stop to think about it until q17 which makes it harder
]
(;W[eo]
C[Yezurof: You could build a position that make Tengen usefull, but this could give opportunities for white to break the mirror first to his advantage
ys3: ali chooses to continue for another move at least. i think w breaks if b does atari
ys3: i would at least
S_Alexander: this exciting 
]
(;B[fo]
C[ys3: looks better than atari, harder to break now
]
(;W[ne]
C[Badukness05: hi ys3
]
(;B[of]
C[ys3: hi
ys3: itd be hard for me to break mirror go here cause e6 just feels painful but he might
]
(;W[en]
C[LeaSaco: mane-go?)
]
(;B[fn]
C[Badukness05: ruined match
death_taxes: ruined?! lol
death_taxes: this is exciting
]
(;W[nf]
C[Badukness05: looks like trolling xD
death_taxes: in your eyes
白虎玄武: 模仿棋？
ronin3: it'd be great to see the sequneces players are thinking
Cezary: [object Object\]
Shaun the Frog: [object Object\]
maestro10: :)
Qinglong: ronin, big tech is working on that...
Ghets: I'm new, is mirroring your opponent like this common?
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Badukness05: aqua bot nice
ronin3: it's not regarded highly
Yezurof: not common but it happens
ronin3: so it is a bit surprising in this high-level match
Yezurof: there are a few top pro game like this, very fun to watch
Palko: I've never seen Ali ahead on time against Ilya
death_taxes: ali played tengen yesterday, so he's definitely going the offbeat route in fuseki
SirMortimer: Tengen next to break the symmetry? :)
ys3: the key is mirror go as it turns out, pavol
AquaBot: [object Object\]
ys3: i wonder if its a strategy to get him lower on time
FinrodFelagund: There have been some famous pro mirror games
ys3: there was a pro in the mid 1900s who was well known to use mirror go at times, i forget who it was
Palko: [object Object\]
AquaBot: [object Object\]
ys3: maybe black play f6 a bit fast?
]
(;B[jj]
C[ronin3: nooo :(
FinrodFelagund: Kitani and Go Seigen's first game as another example
Badukness05: SirMortimer 16k is the stronggest
death_taxes: that's sad
SirMortimer: Ha! Called it :)
Ghets: What does this mean?
ronin3: ilya be like, screw this im out
ronin3: white cannot mirror this one, ghets
Yezurof: and now black start mirror
Rainbow Dash: Ghets, this blocks white from mirroring
ronin3: or playing the better move
AquaBot: [object Object\]
ys3: ilya is willing to take the loss to end mirror go now
Badukness05: is this bot automatic
FinrodFelagund: Breaks all the ladders. How could it be bad
AquaBot: No I am doing variations manually
AquaBot: It was bad move to play K10
AquaBot: Lost 2 points
ys3: the thing is, AI wont like it but human will like it
death_taxes: judging by his time and how he broke mirror, i'd say ilya was caught off guard
ronin3: i said it at move 17 but was shushed down
IIykep: Why bot don't  say %?
ys3: because AI doesnt understand mirror go
AquaBot: Because I am a human
ys3: so i think its pointless to use variation sin mirror go becaue it wont go that way
ys3: use AI variation i mean
AquaBot: Current WR is 71% for W
ys3: so its an even game
AquaBot: 2.5 point advantage for W
Yezurof: I would love black to start using mirror just to take back the lead on time :)
death_taxes: psychologically, this is a win for Ali
death_taxes: up until here at least
yaku1990: true
SirMortimer: That could actually work,  ow that tengen is played it would be in blacks favor 
ys3: yeah ali is very happy that black played this
ys3: now he has to figure out how to continue
]
(;W[em]
C[madobrescu: Now black can mirror white
AquaBot: [object Object\]
]
(;B[og]
C[SirMortimer: Gnahahaha I love this 
ys3: likely not a mirror, its jst a massive move
ys3: but we will see
Rainbow Dash: yeah, difficult to imagine any other move than what ilya just played
]
(;W[nd]
C[AquaBot: [object Object\]
CarloTibaldi: Playing mane go is like admitting you are quite weaker than your opponent
]
(;B[fp]
C[Badukness05: but he is... 3p vs 2p xD
Rainbow Dash: I disagree Carlo
AquaBot: [object Object\]
nomadic: this game disturbing but relaxing at the same time to watch
Rainbow Dash: It's gotten Ali a 10 minute time advantage
ys3: the netxt 2 moves will see how the game will actually continue
Shaun the Frog: that's not a shame, he's Ilya
Rainbow Dash: And probably a better position overall
Badukness05: llya is the shin jinseo of europe
]
(;W[ql]
(;B[ck]
C[ronin3: omg!
ys3: yeah this worked out a bit better for ali than it should have but given what aquabot said, its only a 2 point loss, which is nothing
Purinsu: mirror is broken
CarloTibaldi: he should have played F3 instead of F4
AquaBot: Game is even
ronin3: i can feel the anger n ilay's move
ys3: and give him a free peep no thanks carlo
CarloTibaldi: now Ilya will show his strenght :-)
FinrodFelagund: With tengen, black can afford to be more aggressive on the right side, so it makes sense to break the mirror there 
FinrodFelagund: and the left side
ronin3: and the top side
Badukness05: man c9 is nice
IIykep: C9 ? What's idea?
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Badukness05: if the didnt answer hes gonna play c6?
Purinsu: is C9 not threatening C6?
AquaBot: [object Object\]
ys3: its a threat to use tengen to attack the group severely
Badukness05: c7 is terrible
ys3: no benefit to running so probably wise for w to set up base here
ronin3: yes, pu
ys3: c9 and r8 shows style difference
death_taxes: time advantage keeps shrinking
]
(;W[bq]
C[AquaBot: [object Object\]
]
(;B[cn]
C[ronin3: boom
Purinsu: btw what is AquaBot?
ys3: variation 9 and 10 are the same
Falchion: that seems good for B
Badukness05: its a go bot
AquaBot: Yeah variation 9 and 10 is the same, i just reshared it since this is what is being played now
ys3: i think it was unavoidable, w could not let b get the b4 hane
Badukness05: aqua passed the turing test
death_taxes: :)
Falchion: shut Aqua down before it's too late!
death_taxes: btw aqua, what AI are you running?
Welvang: ali's shining with these new strategies
]
(;W[bo]
(;B[bn]
C[AquaBot: I am running Kata AI
death_taxes: thanks
Badukness05: how can bots be better than alphago running in normal hardware?
Laman: btw, Palko-Lukan is also on: https://online-go.com/game/30416115
AquaBot: [object Object\]
IIykep: This Game played online ? 
Falchion: neat, thanks Laman
Welvang: I'm going to commentate these two games on twitch btw
Welvang: since they started late, i'm still waiting a bit
Badukness05: where is the link of twitch
]
(;W[cr]
C[AquaBot: @badukness because AI technology keeps improving
]
(;B[dr]
C[Welvang: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
MuYu: Hi. Is R14 good?
]
(;W[br]
C[Badukness05: its weird, ai improves but microsoft windows is always sucking
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Falchion: Cut at D5?
MuYu: Windows XP  It was good
Badukness05: its like they are forcing us to buy new hardware, windows 10 is shit
CarloTibaldi: D5 would be captured in ladder
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Badukness05: 40 moves, can a pro read it?
Welvang: [object Object\]
AquaBot: [object Object\]
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Purinsu: Pros spend a lot more time on this early game than I thought. It's one thing to see a pro game review/kifu and another to see it live
Badukness05: how do you get different variations?
]
(;B[pn]
(;W[qn]
(;B[pm]
C[IIykep: Big moyo?
]
(;W[pl]
(;B[ol]
C[AquaBot: [object Object\]
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(;W[ok]
(;B[nl]
(;W[nk]
(;B[ml]
C[death_taxes: i don't like this for w
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Purinsu: yeah this kinda looks sad for white
Falchion: yeah, looks pretty good for B
AquaBot: W is ahead here 
Rainbow Dash: white will invade
AquaBot: But only slightly
ys3: it has to look good for black. look how many black stones were in the area already
gojigs: [object Object\]
AquaBot: W invasion points highlighted
death_taxes: i\\m sure the AI says w is fine, but i would take b here 99 times out of 100
]
(;W[qh]
(;B[pi]
C[Falchion: TIL use mirror go as W
death_taxes: from a human perspective it would be easier to play black, at least for me
IIykep: But W have a groups for big moyo too
death_taxes: and w needs to be careful not to lose sente, otherwise if b plays something like K4
AquaBot: [object Object\]
IIykep: Bot wanna kill big moyo))
AquaBot: [object Object\]
ronin3: well, not kill, but nice 20+ points reduction :)
]
(;W[ph]
(;B[oh]
(;W[qj]
C[AquaBot: [object Object\]
AquaBot: [object Object\]
AquaBot: Game is even
xiaodaiboy: Who is aquabot?
AquaBot: Same person  to be first in the world to defeat a pro with openly available AI on normal computer hardware :)
AquaBot: Bascially just a human controlling AI to give some variations
AquaBot: for this match right now
IIykep: Why W do not building himself moyo?
ys3: more important matters to attend to
Rainbow Dash: white is pressuring black's group
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Aja Huang?
ronin3: a "say my name" moment :-)
ys3: ali has still held the time advantage so far which is helpful
AquaBot: Recently became the only person on OGS to have an undefeated 100% perfect score in the Alan Touring tournament https://online-go.com/tournament/38222
ronin3: holy moly ! its snowing
Zaphodian: I met the guy when he gave a very nice lecture. And after my question he thought I was some kind of professor.
Zaphodian: It's always snowing somewhere, be real!
MaximPoplavskiy: today the players dressed according to the color of the stones
death_taxes: 10C here
hypergeometric: That is a great remark Maxim 
liso77: https://www.twitch.tv/isibboi is analysing this game too
hypergeometric: where is a best place to start invading black moyo in the bottom ? K4 ? 
ys3: 4th line would be bad
hypergeometric: lower ?
ys3: 3rd line is base making line
hypergeometric: ok ! 
AquaBot: Best invasion is F2, then J3 then K3
Zaphodian: If you saw it snow at a temp of 10- C, it's probably something else than snow.
ys3: yeah i wasa bout to check what the bot put, what it said
hypergeometric: wait who summoned AquaBot ? :D 
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
AquaBot: Haha I was going to play a game then I saw the notification
ys3: luckily for ilya he does well in short time situations
ronin3: it's just a bit unusual for here sorry for the excitement
Welvang: I will comment this game really soon on twitch, come :) https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
AquaBot: [object Object\]
]
(;B[mk]
C[ys3: now could be an invasion time
]
(;W[fr]
C[hypergeometric: wow 
AquaBot: [object Object\]
hypergeometric: Ali listened to you :D
ronin3: maybe he has an AI in his chapstick
AquaBot: [object Object\]
AquaBot: [object Object\]
death_taxes: there was such an accusation in chess
AquaBot: I played this invasion before, if you scroll
ronin3: yes it's a joke based on that :-)
death_taxes: ah
hypergeometric: but players can't see the chat right ? 
hypergeometric: only after the game 
Falchion: yeah
hypergeometric: that would be too distracting 
hypergeometric: and wow sometimes people are so mean
ronin3: they could play in zen mode :-)
]
(;B[er]
C[siinsticker@yahoo.com: :D
death_taxes: hm
Zaphodian: OK thanks, but I think G2 at H3 seems reasonable too. But it's about the reasons why
death_taxes: thats looks weird
AquaBot: [object Object\]
hypergeometric: AquaBot I don't understand the last move in your variation 
hypergeometric: white is alive without a ko no ? 
AquaBot: [object Object\]
AquaBot: W is alive
hypergeometric: by playing A1
hypergeometric: yes
hypergeometric: so why would black play A2 
hypergeometric: ?
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
siinsticker@yahoo.com: thx
]
(;W[co]
C[Zaphodian: At some point, B will want to cut and W will wants it to be in gote.  Or at least, get some kida compensation for it. 
AquaBot: Bad move for W
]
(;B[iq]
C[death_taxes: wow
death_taxes: he defended the cut!
]
(;W[ch]
C[AquaBot: Lost W 2 points here
ys3: i struggle to call 2 point moves mistakes early in the game
Zaphodian: 2 points is a lot
]
(;B[ee]
(;W[fe]
(;B[ef]
C[ys3: but its not game changing
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Falchion: it's a weird game, prob not as much practice with this type of board
Zaphodian: But it just means that B would be around 65% and W at 45%.
death_taxes: as previous game have shown, even 10p is not a lot
ys3: its the same as ilyas tengen move
death_taxes: it depends on the context Zaph
dlpigozzi: it means no good chance of invasion
dlpigozzi: it changes a lot
timuzhti: Are those meant to be winrates?
AquaBot: [object Object\]
IIykep: I am don't understand Go
ys3: white decided hes not going to invade there and is getting his points via the top
dlpigozzi: on 110% total :P
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
death_taxes: for top pros with 2h+ on the clock, it might be
death_taxes: but we have seen so many in this tournament and the euro league that even 25p lead can vanish in time trouble
ys3: winrates that are less than 90% arent that useful for humans unless its in the endgame
]
(;W[eh]
C[AquaBot: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ff]
(;W[ek]
C[AquaBot: [object Object\]
death_taxes: 25p lead by move 100 was 97% winrate, yet in the end the player lost
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Badukness05: hi Rob
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Hi Badukness, refesh my memory
death_taxes: i'm wondering if b can just give the C6 stones in good style and still be happy
Badukness05: whos actually winning?
AquaBot: The game is even
ys3: probably still even
Zaphodian: B is ahead by a sliver
ys3: B is certainly considering the consequenes if he tries to save the left stones
Badukness05: g15?
]
(;B[bj]
(;W[bi]
C[IIykep: Black Time is out 
ys3: so hes gonna try to do it while inflicting as little damage to e14 stones as he can
AquaBot: [object Object\]
siinsticker@yahoo.com: :D
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Badukness05: siinsticker@yahoo.com is back
siinsticker@yahoo.com: yes thanks
Kamakiri: B8 looks nice
AquaBot: [object Object\]
AquaBot: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: Tanguy is commenting https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
MuYu:  Someone explain to me why it is done 54 F2 if later it is left to die?
AquaBot: Im going to have food
Kamakiri: Sometimes you just want to probe, to check what your opponent will do @MuYu
Kamakiri: But AI also says white shouldn't have left that white stone
]
(;B[dj]
C[Zaphodian: F2 is left to later play K3 K2 H2 or so, get some aji going
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: yes, have some food...
Badukness05: nachos
MuYu: ok thanks, I can't understand this type of movement yet
siinsticker@yahoo.com: pizza
]
(;W[ej]
C[siinsticker@yahoo.com: (^_^)
Badukness05: taco bell
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[di]
(;W[dh]
C[Badukness05: who remember eurogotv? he failed?
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
ys3: hard to cover live events when there arent any
ys3: i used to enjoy it too though. they were around fo a while then they werent then they came back and now theres jst nothing to cover right now
]
(;B[dl]
C[Badukness05: i miss gokgs, but its too outdated
death_taxes: it breaks my heart when i compare the number of viewers of chess and go channels on twitch
Sadiker: G12
death_taxes: there's just not enough critical mass
Badukness05: its like only koreans play go
Purinsu: Well you gotta understand go isn't as big in the western world
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Ghets: Sadly not
ys3: just noticed ilya is down to 23 seconds
CarloTibaldi: it's like comparing china population with liechtenstein population :-)
]
(;W[el]
(;B[bl]
C[death_taxes: ok, so b lived, but at what cost
Badukness05: chess players dont look to your face, they want to crush you and get out
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
death_taxes: definitely the mentality is more aggressive, but that's an oversimplification
ys3: e14 wasnt damaged too bad and W just build thikness to black stones so not terrible. and the e11 cut is glaring
ys3: but w will get the massive g15
death_taxes: yeah G15 is juicy
timuzhti: What about living with C17?
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Badukness05: roln the shin jinseo european
]
(;W[dk]
C[Badukness05: this move protect cut in sente? :o
]
(;B[ao]
(;W[ap]
(;B[an]
C[ys3: good exchange i feel
]
(;W[ge]
C[Badukness05: k17
]
(;B[cc]
C[MuYu:  What move? baduk
Badukness05: d9
MuYu: ty
ys3: c17, he doesnt want to push out and let w play g12 naturally, e11 still a big threat
torusle: I think k17 invites the capping play a little bit to much, badukness
ys3: well if he caps, you have two directions to make a base
]
(;W[cd]
(;B[bd]
(;W[dd]
(;B[bb]
(;W[cb]
(;B[bc]
(;W[de]
(;B[df]
(;W[cf]
(;B[be]
(;W[db]
(;B[cg]
(;W[bg]
(;B[bf]
C[Badukness05: well is very deep
]
(;W[mh]
C[Badukness05: w still have b19 right?
ys3: yeah, but w probabyl doesnt know yet whether he wants to surround him or take his base and make him run
isibboi: Hm, I am wondering why white played D18 instead of B14
isibboi: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ni]
C[ys3: yeah but i assume 5 is a misclick
isibboi: kyu mistake :P
]
(;W[pj]
(;B[qf]
C[Badukness05: os n11 sente?
Badukness05: is*
ys3: perhaps but i dont know if its that valuable a move either
Greenfuse: [object Object\]
ys3: maybe w would prefer to threaten to take base and fore b to connect that way
]
(;W[gf]
C[Badukness05: 30 pts cash
]
(;B[ba]
C[ys3: yeah so w decide he wants to surround and hopes b will have to play b19 to live
]
(;W[jh]
C[clywzach: black beginning to live everywhere prob means hes gonna do some wild stuff next
ys3: time to count
Badukness05: o18 is the same move
]
(;B[gc]
C[death_taxes: oh boy
isibboi: wow, now it's getting interesting
ys3: he probably has to, it feels like hes a big behind on points
ys3: but i havent counted
ys3: a bit behind*
ys3: the game could be about even if b gets first move on bottom right
ys3: and w got everything on top
Badukness05: i think b is gonna live easily
]
(;W[fc]
C[Kira: with that many stones around you'd want to be sure to kill ;)
]
(;B[gd]
(;W[fd]
(;B[kc]
C[Badukness05: aims to o18?
ys3: needless to say, W gonna have to try to kill all of this, failing that hes gonna invade bottom
]
(;W[ic]
C[naturezhu: 黑棋这个立二拆三，对于职业棋手来说，应该不难杀吧
]
(;B[nb]
(;W[ob]
(;B[nc]
(;W[oc]
C[OrenGold: wow
mcpudding: now what?
OrenGold: black got a nice blow in
Badukness05: magic?????
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ib]
C[naturezhu: 看不出明确的两只眼，这要让黑棋活了，白棋就不用下了
Zaphodian: normal but maybe not sufficient
]
(;W[hb]
C[Badukness05: now we need ai
timuzhti: AI says K18
]
(;B[kf]
C[timuzhti: lol
andy12320727: 看起來真的難活了...
]
(;W[mi]
C[ys3: more interesting without AI
]
(;B[mj]
C[Badukness05: trade?
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
ys3: b would live with s15 i think if cut
mcpudding: but i guess top will die then
naturezhu: 白棋难局，黑棋试了几下应手，还是回头来围下面
Badukness05: what is naturez saying?
]
(;W[jg]
C[mcpudding: crap
Qinglong: hmm
siinsticker@yahoo.com: :D
]
(;B[jc]
C[death_taxes: K13 to kill everything?
Black89: these 2 are crazy
andy12320727: He say that w is so hard to win
naturezhu: 这个，白棋负担太大了
]
(;W[id]
(;B[ha]
C[OrenGold: ko?
ys3: if black lives up there w will probably have to invade bottom
dlpigozzi: w needs to anyway
Zaphodian: K13 is all in
naturezhu: 白棋好像可以直接点进去
ys3: if b dies then w is ahead
Zaphodian: I don't like this for W
]
(;W[ga]
C[Black89: he nedeed an all in?
andy12320727: 點哪。
dlpigozzi: me neither
naturezhu: B12
ys3: he probably does need to try very hard to kill this yes
Zaphodian: I think just playing K18 was better
]
(;B[ja]
(;W[ia]
C[timuzhti: I assume M18?
timuzhti: @andy
MagariSimoku:  This is ko. This means that 50% of the group has already survived.
]
(;B[lg]
C[Zaphodian: Ko, W has ko threats at the bottom
Badukness05: f3?
naturezhu: 这样的话，肯定是白棋不太行
]
(;W[mg]
(;B[ha]
C[dlpigozzi: D13
Zaphodian: ko threat
Kira: F3 too small threat?
dlpigozzi: C11
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
andy12320727: I think b would be live on top now.
MagariSimoku:  ko is the strongest part of Ilya's game. If Ilya started ko, this is a victory.
yehboi: might be a dumb question but anyone know why W played G19 instead of K18?
timuzhti: F3 is what, 10 to 12 points?
andy12320727: @timuzhti I think M18 too. XD
]
(;W[af]
C[dlpigozzi: the clock is almost even now
siinsticker@yahoo.com: :)
]
(;B[ae]
(;W[ia]
(;B[ki]
C[naturezhu: 其实黑棋在12..8一线连围两手，白棋也不行了
sherlockhdy: [object Object\]
andy12320727: 黑下方感覺也不好入侵...
]
(;W[kh]
(;B[ha]
(;W[ab]
C[Badukness05: a17 is better
]
(;B[ac]
C[naturezhu: 是，没有很好的选点
]
(;W[ia]
C[death_taxes: `why?
dlpigozzi: why not K3
Badukness05: jk xD
]
(;B[rp]
C[dlpigozzi: is the biggest 
andy12320727: 黑旗下方要成空了。XD
naturezhu: 收空了，白棋敢消劫吗
ys3: yeah b counted. this could be enough if he gets the big endgame even if top dies
Kamakiri: If white captures with K18, that means Black got S4 with Sente
]
(;W[rg]
C[Badukness05: isnt this 2 step ko?
Free Tibet: another ko
]
(;B[rc]
C[Free Tibet: possible
]
(;W[rb]
(;B[nj]
(;W[jb]
C[death_taxes: G8?
]
(;B[li]
C[Kamakiri: M3=
]
(;W[lh]
C[naturezhu: 黑棋12-8左右围一下
ys3: id play g8 but ilya will probably play somewhere better
Free Tibet: probably
]
(;B[gl]
C[ys3: like g8
death_taxes: pro
]
(;W[ik]
(;B[gj]
C[naturezhu: 应该可以忍，领先不少
Kamakiri: Here comes the K3!
ys3: but yeah b is probably ahead on points now, getting both s4 and g8
]
(;W[ij]
C[ys3: e11 may activate too
naturezhu: 白棋只是这种程度，不太够吧
]
(;B[ii]
C[IIykep: How to live in moyo))
]
(;W[gk]
C[Badukness05: not moyo :D
]
(;B[hk]
C[Zaphodian: B is really aiming at cutting off at E11
ys3: wouldnt be ilya if he didnt
]
(;W[hj]
(;B[fk]
C[andy12320727: 目測黑贏十幾目。
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(;W[hi]
(;B[il]
(;W[jk]
(;B[jl]
(;W[kk]
C[Badukness05: end game already 0o
Free Tibet: w+
ys3: i counted like 85 ish for black
naturezhu: 黑下方的空，已经可以顶白棋全盘了
]
(;B[ro]
(;W[rn]
C[naturezhu: 盘面15目左右
andy12320727: 中間四子直接讓給白子誒。XD
]
(;B[gi]
C[AquaBot: W is ahead by 9 points
]
(;W[ei]
(;B[cj]
(;W[qp]
(;B[qq]
(;W[rq]
C[Kamakiri: Wow that's a lot
siinsticker@yahoo.com: :D
]
(;B[gh]
C[Badukness05: c1...
]
(;W[gg]
(;B[rr]
C[death_taxes: that was nice move order
AquaBot: [object Object\]
]
(;W[dm]
(;B[cm]
C[ys3: i think w leads by a little less than komi, but it should be big enough to hold
dlpigozzi: w+4ish
ys3: i really thought b gained enough with the gamegame but i guess i didnt see j9 working as well as it did
Kamakiri: C1 is really big since it also helps white to live without connecting at either F13 or C11
]
(;W[hh]
(;B[fg]
(;W[ar]
C[clywzach: a2?
AquaBot: [object Object\]
naturezhu: 还真是黑棋不够了
]
(;B[rd]
C[dlpigozzi: M10?
]
(;W[kl]
(;B[km]
C[Kamakiri: [object Object\]
AquaBot: W ahead 2.5
]
(;W[lj]
(;B[sb]
(;W[ra]
C[Badukness05: wasnt 9 pts?
]
(;B[oj]
C[Kamakiri: Hey AquaBot, is your Komi 7.5 or 6.5?
dlpigozzi: ilya is fishing everypoint and time
dlpigozzi: 6.5
ys3: m10 should seal it for W
siinsticker@yahoo.com: :DD
ys3: i think ilya did get thrown off a bit from the mirror go, he spent a lot of times there, ali played well too
]
(;W[pk]
C[ys3: ilya spend more time than ali overall which you dont see much
]
(;B[qm]
(;W[rm]
(;B[rf]
C[ys3: ilya could always find some magic somehow, i know players like him. alway sa tesuji in their pocket
]
(;W[so]
(;B[sq]
C[AquaBot: Area scoring
Badukness05: c1 for b?
Kamakiri: c1 absolutely sente for white
Free Tibet: A13
]
(;W[qi]
(;B[ag]
(;W[bh]
C[AquaBot: W+ 2.5 if played perfectly
ys3: since it is absolutely sente for w, it can jsu tb seem as a 1 point sente
Free Tibet: So AquaBot thinks he plays perfectly
]
(;B[sn]
C[Badukness05: time suji
ys3: c1 could be well served as a ko threat later so may as well save it
dlpigozzi: jesus, Ilya reducing...
]
(;W[fm]
(;B[gm]
C[ys3: ilya wont play there cause its gote for him
]
(;W[qg]
C[dlpigozzi: is it impossible to invade the bottom?
ys3: [object Object\]
ys3: it probably is now but w has enough
Kamakiri: But it's also reverse sente
]
(;B[sg]
(;W[sh]
(;B[sf]
C[ys3: yeah it may get played soon
]
(;W[cl]
C[Badukness05: b end game is scary
]
(;B[aj]
(;W[po]
(;B[oo]
C[ys3: yall should stufy endgame. its not exciting but you can gain 10 or more points on your opponent every game if youre good at it for your level
]
(;W[sm]
C[Badukness05: s0
Badukness05: s9*
]
(;B[si]
C[ys3: remember the comment about ilya having tesujis in his pocket
siinsticker@yahoo.com: :D
]
(;W[rh]
(;B[rk]
C[Badukness05: lol
oreallyfun: How much is komi?
Kamakiri: 6.5
naaam: xD
dlpigozzi: noooooo
Free Tibet: 5.9
Mrrr: Noooooooooooo
]
(;W[rl]
C[naaam: noce move
Badukness05: seki
naaam: nive
death_taxes: noice
naaam: xD
naaam: no ice for b ) 
AndéolEvain: I'd be seki if there were no outside liberties. But here, white hsould be able to live.
Seward: as a total beginner, who is winning here?
AndéolEvain: But that costs move insides.
]
(;B[ca]
C[ys3: white should live but if he has to spend a few moev sinside to capture that could swing game
AquaBot: [object Object\]
malishevserafym: white win
]
(;W[pg]
C[isibboi: Looks like black is playing white's low time
]
(;B[pf]
C[naaam:  b win 
naaam: i think ) 
]
(;W[cs]
(;B[ds]
C[naaam: and time ....
]
(;W[ll]
(;B[lm]
(;W[da]
(;B[lk]
(;W[kj]
(;B[dl]
C[naaam: gg
naaam: wp
siinsticker@yahoo.com: np
]
(;W[dg]
C[Badukness05: t9
]
(;B[cf]
(;W[cl]
(;B[qb]
(;W[pb]
(;B[dl]
(;W[sc]
C[AndéolEvain: t9 doesn't seem urgent yet, is it?
Badukness05: no
BoykoGoranov: is t17a big threat?
]
(;B[sd]
C[BoykoGoranov: it doesn't seem like it
zion153: hm....
]
(;W[cl]
C[AndéolEvain: Not huge, but the ko is also quite small, we are close to the end.
ys3: i counted 94.5 to 94 earlier but that could be off a couple points. im assuming w will have to play moves in right side later
BoykoGoranov: ko is not really small
BoykoGoranov: can't white take that whole group if it doesn't work out for black?
OrenGold: looks vary close maybe 2-3 points
AndéolEvain: No. Black is alive
Badukness05: the ko is for add stone in a8
AndéolEvain: If white wins the ko, black will need to add a move when A11 and C11 are filled. That's all.
ys3: its about a 1.5 point ko cause if w wins he will have to add a8
]
(;B[kb]
C[death_taxes: exactly
gojigs: seems white can just answer and win?
ys3: i think w ahead a point or two, it depends how much eh has to deal with right side when liberties are filled
AndéolEvain: Was L18 a real threat? 
ys3: i could never trust my reading enough to not answer this if i thought i was ahead
]
(;W[dl]
(;B[ib]
C[ys3: but thats why ali is pro
death_taxes: ali doesn't think so
]
(;W[ha]
C[isibboi: they are both so low on time now
AndéolEvain: M19 ko for life?
Badukness05: b read all this or ?
]
(;B[md]
C[ys3: h13 gives me juju
isibboi: would it be the first time that he would win ilya?
Whirly: black was just fishing
Whirly: should be dead
]
(;W[la]
C[TomiP: [object Object\]
]
(;B[rj]
(;W[sk]
(;B[le]
C[Badukness05: wait
siinsticker@yahoo.com: :D
naaam: Oo
AndéolEvain: @TomiP seems right. That was not a ko for life.
]
(;W[lb]
C[zion153: [object Object\]
]
(;B[jd]
C[Badukness05: man
TomiP: [object Object\]
]
(;W[lc]
(;B[ie]
C[Badukness05: if roln read all that he is better than cho chikun
]
(;W[he]
C[ReachStars: 死光?
AndéolEvain: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ma]
(;W[jb]
C[ys3: [object Object\]
]
(;B[hg]
C[AndéolEvain: @Badukness05, you under-estimate cho chikun. He could read all this quite easily.
TomiP: [object Object\]
Whirly: ha?
zion153: [object Object\]
siinsticker@yahoo.com: :DD
]
(;W[ih]
(;B[ib]
C[AndéolEvain: @TomiP. Right, silly me.
]
(;W[je]
(;B[ke]
C[herb2077: なに?
]
(;W[ka]
C[Avtikh: thanks
Avtikh: I think it was white +0.5 before L18
AndéolEvain: [object Object\]
ys3: one eye
Qinglong: gg
Elessar1984: Gg
naaam: gg
Schr0dinger: gg
Badukness05: gggg
S_Alexander: it worked after all?
kaskai: gg
gasana: gg!
zion153: GG
ys3: https://online-go.com/game/30416115 pavol vs lukan is going on now
dlpigozzi: gg
MuYu: gg
S_Alexander: that's very cool
csizmadiarobi: gg
herb2077: gg
dlpigozzi: exciting one
liso77: gg! :) 
AndéolEvain: By resignation? The accuracy in counting is scary.
isibboi: amazing game!
solarwinds: ~3 points?
death_taxes: resignation seems a bit too much here, but whatever
ys3: they knew the score
BoykoGoranov: so AI says white is winning
ys3: w led by a few points
Daniug: W+res?
BoykoGoranov: score estimator is 11.5+  B
BoykoGoranov: what the hell?
ys3: SE is wrong
AndéolEvain: They still haven't removed SE from this website ? :D
torusle: SE always wrong
Zaphodian: Great game by White
torusle: that huge territory on the bottom looks a bit like a DDK game result :-)
Daniug: When is the next game?
captaintofu: gg
Jr4yA: [object Object\]
dacat1: [object Object\]
譚博約: [object Object\]
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