(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-01-24]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/30423328]
GN[Grand Prix Final Quarterfinals]
PB[Lukan]
PW[Palko]
BR[?]
WR[1d]
TM[2700]OT[20 fischer]
RE[W+20.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Lukan: peknou partii!
Palko: peknu hru
]
;B[qd]
(;W[cq]
(;B[cc]
(;W[qq]
(;B[nc]
(;W[qi]
C[Zaphodian: lots of good moves now
JN_T21: Go go Lukan!
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Celebrir: 3x 3-3 This looks interesting :)
Celebrir: I would go for C I think
]
(;B[cn]
(;W[ep]
(;B[ck]
(;W[qf]
C[Celebrir: 1 of 10 moves not on 3rd line... Both trying to be solid to fight heavy later?
]
(;B[pp]
(;W[pq]
C[Mrrr: maybe they are just bored of early invasions of san san
]
(;B[op]
(;W[ro]
C[OndraKruml: this game was nigiri? I guess lukan would have prefered white 
]
(;B[oq]
C[Kamakiri: I really hate this hane
]
(;W[pn]
(;B[kq]
(;W[iq]
C[Welvang: not sure, he just won in a very convincing manner with black 
]
(;B[fd]
C[nuborn: Go Go Lukan!
]
(;W[hc]
C[Welvang: [object Object\]
]
(;B[jc]
(;W[he]
C[Saddharmapundarika: n3 or n4 or in the area, seemed more urgent to pressure black
]
(;B[gf]
(;W[dj]
(;B[cj]
(;W[dh]
(;B[ej]
(;W[ei]
(;B[dk]
(;W[fj]
(;B[di]
(;W[fh]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: i see 2 weak groups for white already >____>
B2 Bomber: black's shape is thin in the top so probably fine
💖 KoBa 💖: yeah im sure palko has a plan here ^^
💖 KoBa 💖: it just looks scary xD
💖 KoBa 💖: and something i've been told to not do ^^
]
(;B[eg]
(;W[ci]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: ahh ko, of course
]
(;B[je]
C[TomiP: Go is a bit like art, it's supposed to look good till you're really good in it, then you can do whatever you want
torbg: wisdom :)
]
(;W[hf]
(;B[gg]
(;W[jf]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: hahah
]
(;B[kf]
(;W[jg]
(;B[kg]
(;W[jh]
C[Welvang: I'm gonna start the commentary on twitch !
Welvang: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
]
(;B[kh]
(;W[ji]
C[kaskai: how many accounts you have? one is 2p, another is 1p, third is 2k,.. ^^
]
(;B[lj]
(;W[dj]
C[shinuito: probably the server maintenance being funny
]
(;B[ek]
C[Coorchac: the moves are so good that Welvang is getting power from them
]
(;W[ce]
(;B[ec]
(;W[bc]
C[OndraKruml: i think that b doesnt feel so good here
]
(;B[bb]
(;W[cd]
C[Saddharmapundarika: black needs to build up kos
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[dc]
(;W[bi]
(;B[qk]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;W[oi]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ok]
(;W[of]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[pe]
(;W[pf]
(;B[re]
C[The Treeman: prefer black
]
(;W[nn]
C[The Treeman: When can European go players get a world champion?
Zaphodian: 20-30  more years
]
(;B[om]
(;W[on]
C[Volker_S_Halstenbek: yeah..europe will be chinese then :-P
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Mrrr: true :-D
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[or]
(;W[rm]
(;B[qm]
(;W[qn]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Whirly:  "20-30 more years" seems very optimistic
]
(;B[rf]
C[Zaphodian: Yes, it's a proper attitude
death_taxes: probably never
Zaphodian: Maybe never. But the Japanese and Chinese have become good at chess, too. 
]
(;W[nk]
C[Zaphodian: O9 is a vital point for cutting
death_taxes: not the Japanese
The Treeman: Go is way harder than chess right?
Zaphodian: not yet top level, but compared to 20 years ago, a vast difference
Zaphodian: Yes, I think chess is a fairly simple game.
death_taxes: the Japanese also are not totally strangers to chess, because they have shogi, there is no equivalent game in west for go
Whirly: but it doesn't matter alot because top level is top level
Whirly: in both games
The Treeman: How large is the gap now between the best European go player and a go world champion?
]
(;B[nl]
C[The Treeman: like Ke jie
Saddharmapundarika: s11 work for black?
death_taxes: 3 stones?
]
(;W[mk]
(;B[oj]
C[The Treeman: maybe
]
(;W[ni]
C[Zaphodian: About 2 stones
Zaphodian: 30 years ago it was 3-4 stones. I know because I lost to Sakata with 3H.
martin97: wasnt there a match between a european pro and a world champion some years ago with some handicap?
bobsof: You played a god!
martin97: I think it was Ke Jie
]
(;B[ml]
C[death_taxes: 30y ago Sakata was reallt old
]
(;W[lk]
C[Zaphodian: Yes, I worked in Sakata's Go-lounge. 
]
(;B[nj]
(;W[mj]
C[Zaphodian: It was in 1982 to be exact, so 39 years ago. sorry
]
(;B[mi]
C[bobsof: Sneaking in bits of knowledge here and there. 
Zaphodian: Sakata had just taken his 62nd title when he was 62 years old.
The Treeman: Ke jie once played 2H unofficial games with Chinese professional go players(like 5p) and he won
bobsof: No wonder you got so strong. 
bobsof: Nice memories for sure. 
Zaphodian: No relation. I was European Champ already. I played just 1 game with Sakata.
bobsof: Still nice. 
Zaphodian: After that I became an insei and that's when I became 1-2 stones stronger.
Zaphodian: I guess Ke Jie is at least 1 stone stronger than Sakata ever was.
]
(;W[pl]
C[The Treeman: Yea, plus the help of AI
OndraKruml: this is looking dim for Czech fans 
The Treeman: Those top go players really immitate AI sytle
The Treeman: almost all game with san san invaasion
Whirly: that's only the opening
Whirly: they still have distinct styles
Whirly: ke jie for example is extremely territorial
The Treeman: ke jie territorial?
death_taxes: most are
Giomillsy: is 2p second dan pro?
Zaphodian: Ke Jie is territorial but also very flexible.
]
(;B[ll]
C[Zaphodian: Yes 2p is pro
]
(;W[kk]
C[The Treeman: Ke jie is really good at making the game complex
]
(;B[ol]
(;W[mh]
(;B[li]
C[Zaphodian: I am good at making the game complex but only for myself.
Giomillsy: im good at losing
]
(;W[rg]
C[Zaphodian: bragging has become a national sport
The Treeman: the LG final is in about seven days
The Treeman: I wish Ke jie could win this
Zaphodian: He got eliminated, right?
The Treeman: LG cup? nope
]
(;B[ln]
C[The Treeman: The semi final Ke jie vs 卞相壹 was really excited 
The Treeman: Ke jie made his dead dragon live during the game
Zaphodian: Hmm, Ahh, I mixed it up with the Chunlan Cup,
]
(;W[mf]
C[The Treeman: yea. he lost to 唐  a few days ago
]
(;B[ld]
(;W[jm]
(;B[jl]
C[Zaphodian: Yes, Tang Weixing
The Treeman: I thought Ke jie could save his dragon in that game.
Zaphodian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ0Y6GBesTM
The Treeman: Tang is a really strange player. He performs great vs stronge player.     
]
(;W[kl]
(;B[km]
C[Zaphodian: Maybe he is completely psyched up
The Treeman: haha .yea. he is a world champion afterall
Zaphodian: Of course, he has the skills. Maybe 50 players have the skills, but the decisive factor could be your mental state.
]
(;W[jk]
(;B[jn]
(;W[il]
(;B[in]
(;W[md]
C[The Treeman: yea. But I feel sorry for Lian xiao, he could have won that game vs Shin
]
(;B[mc]
(;W[od]
(;B[oc]
(;W[pd]
(;B[pc]
(;W[qe]
C[Zaphodian: This game, you mean http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/94980
The Treeman: yea
The Treeman: controversal move 146
OndraKruml: I guess b can tenuki now? something around f4
]
(;B[gq]
C[code9: B needs to do somthing
OndraKruml: cool
]
(;W[gp]
C[code9: To be to aggressive will kill the left group 
OndraKruml: But then the other groups will suffer, feels like black wont get a breather this game
]
(;B[fq]
(;W[hp]
(;B[fp]
(;W[fo]
(;B[eq]
(;W[dp]
(;B[ir]
(;W[jr]
(;B[hr]
(;W[jq]
(;B[kr]
(;W[en]
C[Zaphodian: Yup, the law of preservation of misery
]
(;B[bp]
C[Zaphodian: B is trying to make the best of a hopeless situation - he lost all fear.
]
(;W[kp]
(;B[lp]
(;W[ko]
(;B[lo]
(;W[js]
(;B[dr]
(;W[kn]
(;B[lm]
(;W[io]
(;B[qp]
(;W[rp]
C[Saddharmapundarika: nows the time for ko fights if b has any chance of making it close
]
(;B[im]
(;W[jl]
(;B[qr]
(;W[rq]
(;B[pr]
C[OndřejKachyňa: w+6 +-
]
(;W[fk]
(;B[dm]
(;W[rd]
(;B[qc]
(;W[bq]
(;B[cp]
(;W[dq]
(;B[cr]
(;W[br]
(;B[fr]
(;W[ak]
(;B[al]
(;W[ap]
(;B[bo]
(;W[bl]
C[JanSimara:   gg
]
(;B[aj]
(;W[am]
(;B[bk]
(;W[al]
(;B[bm]
C[kaskai: good luck Tang in your game
]
(;W[cl]
(;B[bj]
(;W[ao]
(;B[an]
(;W[bn]
(;B[ql]
(;W[co]
(;B[rl]
(;W[rj]
(;B[sk]
(;W[ic]
(;B[jb]
(;W[bd]
(;B[ab]
(;W[rc]
(;B[rb]
(;W[sf]
(;B[sc]
(;W[se]
(;B[ks]
(;W[ef]
(;B[df]
(;W[ee]
(;B[dg]
(;W[de]
(;B[fg]
(;W[cg]
(;B[cf]
(;W[bf]
(;B[ge]
(;W[fb]
(;B[fc]
(;W[gb]
(;B[eb]
(;W[gh]
(;B[hg]
(;W[ie]
(;B[jd]
(;W[le]
(;B[ke]
(;W[nd]
(;B[ii]
(;W[hi]
(;B[ih]
(;W[ij]
(;B[hq]
(;W[go]
(;B[is]
(;W[ip]
(;B[lf]
(;W[me]
(;B[mg]
(;W[ng]
(;B[lh]
(;W[lg]
(;B[eh]
(;W[di]
(;B[mg]
(;W[nh]
(;B[ib]
(;W[sb]
(;B[sa]
(;W[bs]
(;B[cs]
(;W[da]
(;B[ea]
(;W[ba]
(;B[cb]
(;W[ca]
(;B[hh]
(;W[hj]
(;B[bg]
(;W[ch]
(;B[af]
(;W[be]
(;B[ac]
(;W[sd]
(;B[ah]
(;W[fi]
(;B[ai]
(;W[bh]
(;B[dl]
(;W[ag]
(;B[kj]
(;W[jj]
(;B[bg]
(;W[lq]
C[Mardipaev: this should not be a ko
Qinglong: A15 works
Qinglong: for white
Mardipaev: yes
]
(;B[lr]
(;W[ag]
(;B[hb]
(;W[gc]
C[Mardipaev: still works if black ignores this threat
]
(;B[bg]
(;W[mq]
(;B[mr]
(;W[ag]
(;B[id]
(;W[hd]
(;B[bg]
(;W[mp]
(;B[mo]
(;W[ag]
(;B[ig]
(;W[if]
(;B[bg]
(;W[nr]
(;B[np]
(;W[ag]
(;B[jo]
(;W[jp]
(;B[bg]
(;W[ms]
(;B[nq]
(;W[ag]
(;B[qj]
(;W[ri]
(;B[bg]
(;W[ae]
(;B[ag]
(;W[sb]
(;B[fe]
(;W[em]
(;B[sc]
(;W[qb]
(;B[pb]
(;W[sb]
(;B[ff]
(;W[cm]
(;B[sc]
(;W[es]
(;B[er]
(;W[sb]
(;B[ed]
(;W[dn]
(;B[sc]
(;W[rr]
(;B[rs]
(;W[sb]
(;B[dd]
(;W[el]
(;B[sc]
C[Mardipaev: M17 is also nice for white
]
(;W[qs]
(;B[ps]
(;W[sb]
C[dlpigozzi: resign
]
(;B[qa]
(;W[ra]
(;B[qb]
(;W[lc]
(;B[kd]
(;W[lb]
(;B[mb]
(;W[ha]
(;B[ia]
(;W[ga]
C[Welvang: wait palko is trying to see if l19 is worth 1/12 of a point or 1/13
]
(;B[ka]
(;W[pj]
(;B[pk]
(;W[pi]
C[Zaphodian: lol
]
(;B[sj]
(;W[si]
(;B[sa]
(;W[rk]
(;B[sl]
C[dlpigozzi: hehe
]
(;W[ra]
(;B[lg]
C[Welvang: and then he plays q10
]
(;W[sc]
(;B[sa]
C[Zaphodian: T19 loses something
death_taxes: when are u playing Tang?
]
(;W[gs]
(;B[fs]
(;W[ra]
C[Welvang: when they finish
]
(;B[ad]
(;W[sa]
(;B[ki]
(;W[gd]
(;B[fa]
(;W[]
(;B[]
C[Lukan: diky!
Palko: dik
Lukan: [object Object\]
alte_hippe: gg
S_Alexander: gg
kaskai: gg
robertmehl: gg
shinuito: gg
💖 KoBa 💖: gg!
Jr4yA: [object Object\]
]
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