(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-01-26]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/30481978]
GN[European Grand Prix Finale Semi-Final game 1]
PB[Siasio]
PW[artem92]
BR[?]
WR[?]
TM[2700]OT[20 fischer]
RE[B+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Siasio: Have a nice game!
artem92: have a nice game
]
;B[pd]
C[artem92: have a nice game
]
(;W[dc]
C[Sadiker: Siasio \\o/
robertmehl: good luck, siasio!
]
(;B[qp]
(;W[dq]
(;B[op]
C[wxh100: [object Object\]
wxh100: [object Object\]
]
(;W[dn]
(;B[mc]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: semi-finals of grand prix finale! https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html
ronin3: Tanguy calls this a "stylish shimari" if i'm not mistaken!
tekken8: white seems ahead
ronin3: very cunning, btw. if white takes the second shimari, black will get a massive moyo on the right
BYT519: lol
BYT519: so many joksters ^^
mikuu: hi
guy.avn96: I honestly took the bait
guy.avn96: goddamit
JanGret: that is why white is taking so long to consider his move?
💖 KoBa 💖: white has many options
OndraKruml: come on o15
]
(;W[cf]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: [object Object\]
BYT519: O15 lol
]
(;B[jq]
C[ronin3: omg! W be like, am not afraid of you
gojigs: usually i need time for starting moves to find into the game and to calm down from the day and really get focus for the game
💖 KoBa 💖: i cant remember when i saw last 4 shimaris in first 8 moves ^^
]
(;W[qj]
C[BYT519: it's not typical with the more aggressive way of playing, true ^^
ronin3: black should have played there (or thereabouts)
ys3: old school thinking would say that B playing on right is quite large but since AI its become less desirable to do so
ys3: AI probably prefers k3 over a 10 move
BYT519: K3 also makes O4 much less effective
譚博約: Move 0 2021年1月26日 [20:06\]  Siasio [?\] : Have a nice game! Move 1 [20:07\]  artem92 [职业2段\] : have a nice game Move 2 [20:07\]  Sadiker [?\] : Siasio \\o/ [20:07\]  robertmehl [23级\] : good luck, siasio! Move 5 [20:09\]  wxh100 [22级\] : 变化图: A [20:09\]  wxh100 [22级\] : 变化图: A continued Move 7 [20:12\]  💖 KoBa 💖 [6级\] : semi-finals of grand prix finale! https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html [20:13\]  ronin3 [5级\] : Tanguy calls this a "stylish shimari" if i'm not mistaken! [20:14\]  tekken8 [4级\] : white seems ahead [20:14\]  ronin3 [5级\] : very cunning, btw. if white takes the second shimari, black will get a massive moyo on the right [20:15\]  BYT519 [4级\] : lol [20:15\]  BYT519 [4级\] : so many joksters ^^ [20:15\]  mikuu [19级\] : hi [20:15\]  guy.avn96 [7级\] : I honestly took the bait [20:15\]  guy.avn96 [7级\] : goddamit [20:16\]  JanGret [17级\] : that is why white is taking so long to consider his move? [20:16\]  💖 KoBa 💖 [6级\] : white has many options [20:17\]  OndraKruml [?\] : come on o15 Move 8 [20:17\]  💖 KoBa 💖 [6级\] : 变化图: so many possibilities [20:17\]  BYT519 [4级\] : O15 lol Move 9 [20:18\]  ronin3 [5级\] : omg! W be like, am not afraid of you [20:18\]  gojigs [1段\] : usually i need time for starting moves to find into the game and to calm down from the day and really get focus for the game [20:18\]  💖 KoBa 💖 [6级\] : i cant remember when i saw last 4 shimaris in first 8 moves ^^ Move 10 [20:18\]  BYT519 [4级\] : it's not typical with the more aggressive way of playing, true ^^ [20:18\]  ronin3 [5级\] : black should have played there (or thereabouts) [20:19\]  ys3 [2级\] : old school thinking would say that B playing on right is quite large but since AI its become less desirable to do so [20:19\]  ys3 [2级\] : AI probably prefers k3 over a 10 move [20:19\]  BYT519 [4级\] : K3 also makes O4 much less effective
ys3: but the margins between the 2 moves likely isnt large enough to matter much
ronin3: the game is ruined for me now
]
(;B[ql]
C[ys3: so play the one you like
koksik: Go Siasio! *\\o_.
BYT519: fuseki doesn't matter much anyway
]
(;W[qg]
(;B[qe]
(;W[oj]
C[ronin3: as LSD demonstrated in the jubango with Gu Li :(
ronin3: even before AI
💖 KoBa 💖: very calm opening from both players ^^
BYT519: yeah, even P10
Daniug: i could have played this myself :D
JanGret: Maybe a bit "back to basics", instead of starting early fights?
koksik: fight will probably start soon anyway :D
koksik: no need to rush it :D
]
(;B[gq]
C[gimlix: calm before the storm ;)
ys3: maybe white extends on top now, or finds something to poke
💖 KoBa 💖: i would love to go somewhere around N3 and make a mess immidietly xd
guy.avn96: this looks like a kyu fuseki, but w has the fancier enclosures so
guy.avn96: w ahead
guy.avn96: by like, 20% LZ or something
guy.avn96: (i run LZ in  my head)
]
(;W[pq]
C[ys3: was either top or poke bottom right, yeah
koksik: I don't think it will be 20% ;P there was no time to really make mistake so far :D
guy.avn96: i'd bet you if i had LZ installed.
💖 KoBa 💖: oooh Q3 o.o
koksik: :D
nidza: white ahead cos white is artem?:) or because white is better
guy.avn96: yaknow what? let me install it.
💖 KoBa 💖: artem had the same love as i ^^
koksik: ok so up until q3 ;p I'm curious too so let me know :D
]
(;B[pp]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: tho q3 looks lot messier than n3 ^^
koksik: LZ doesnt work on my laptop, so I can't check ;(
koksik: doesn't
KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
Hamlet: Does something like q3 work?
Hamlet: thanks
KKkanbolat: maybe
Anthe: p3 w0,4+
]
(;W[dk]
C[KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
ys3: q3 was a probe, and aji to live later or to use the stone
RuiZheng: hi
]
(;B[ee]
C[snakesss: if white d15, then what?
snakesss: e17? e16? e14?
KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
OndraKruml: w punished for not playing o15 
KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
koksik: Ondra would o15 really be that good? Wouldn't you rather have stone at l17 and looking at p18 aji for example?
snakesss: i know i would - i almost never play this far peep to the long knight
snakesss: e15, o15... i dont rly get it much
KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
]
(;W[dd]
(;B[ic]
C[koksik: E15 is simple, we can also make something at the top, so we can gain something if white just keeps territory. But o15 I don't really get either
💖 KoBa 💖: jeesh artem is solid o.o
guy.avn96: I suspect it was a joke move
ys3: d16 is normal shape
OndraKruml: I am not sure if it is good in this position, but FineArt prolly strongest bot plays in on 2 handicaps against humans on fox server. I guess its hard to understand its meaning though :\] would have been really suprized if artem played it in such an important game
]
(;W[gc]
C[KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
liquid: j17 nice move
ys3: artem wouldnt do it in important game i think
snakesss: so if white did d15, black was going to continue locally, right?
Mrrr: do boju Siasio!
snakesss: since white answered solidly/passively, without touchin, black played more chill too
mikuu: hmmm..I see
KKkanbolat: yesssssssssssssssss
KKkanbolat: yes
koksik: OndraKruml thanks, good to know :D I will be eyeing this kind of moves too then from now on :D
ys3: be careful not to copy AI moves without knowing meaning
mikuu: who did you cheer? black or white?
BYT519: Let
snakesss: also, be careful not to copy tradition moves without knowing meaning
BYT519: haha
dlpigozzi: I cheer white but I like black's shape
OndraKruml: [object Object\]
Chinitsu: be careful not to play joseki withou knowing meaning
BYT519: let's get sassy(o)
ys3: ah yeah 3, i knew there was a move for that aji but i forgot it
snakesss: just... be careful
BYT519: be careful not to play without the meaning of life
JanGret: be careful
JanGret: :)
koksik: OndraKruml I see :D complicated a lot though ;)
BYT519: be greatful?
BYT519: it's not too complicated if you know the meaning :P
koksik: definitely interesting sequence :)
OndraKruml: yeah that is usually good for white actually so black answeres o15 with m16 :O 
OndraKruml: I swear im not make this up :D
]
(;B[dp]
C[ys3: if it works, it works...
ys3: i was about to ask what B should play here
koksik: BYT519 the fight after the crosscut is complicated even if you know the meaning :D
]
(;W[cp]
(;B[cq]
C[koksik: Ondra I believe you :D nice concept :) quite similiar to e15 really
BYT519: we got our first crosscut of the game boooiiiiiiiii
BYT519: ^^
ys3: o15 would be a nice ladder breaker right about now....
koksik: gimme influence or lets fight :D
Pun-RB: ...
]
(;W[co]
C[Pun-RB: https://online-go.com/user/view/772321 ...
Pun-RB: https://online-go.com/user/view/772321...
]
(;B[dr]
(;W[eq]
(;B[er]
(;W[ep]
C[mikuu: @Pun-RB ?
]
(;B[bq]
C[bartosz: why not c2 instead of e4?
bartosz: i mean b3
ys3: cause c2 too slow
ronin3: D4 stone is much too important
ronin3: needs to capture that one
ZbigniewWodecki: cause white has sente now
ZbigniewWodecki: if C2 black gets sente
JanGret: wow, AI just jumped 20% for white...
ronin3: jumped up or down?
ys3: 20% jump dont mean anything this early
JanGret: from 50 to 70
snakesss: meaning black lost 1 point
BYT519: I wouldn't say it means nothing
BYT519: but yeah
ZbigniewWodecki: i think F14 now oe E13
ZbigniewWodecki: or*
ys3: i would say it means nothing
JanGret: Thanks
BYT519: depends which ai I guess
Yezurof: this early it's probably a 5 to 7 poitns lead ? No meaningless for sure, but not so much neither
JanGret: I just have that AI twitch stream open, as wthere is no comment stream
ys3: not really. it slike a 1-2 point lead
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: yo
gimlix: 5 points leading would be a lot :)
Zaphodian: B3 seems huge now. Black must be ahead
]
(;W[he]
C[koksik: oh true, will there be commentary on twitch?
koksik: on this game?
koksik: somehow my gut feeling says C13 now for black ;p
JanGret: I guess we are the commentary. And we have Zaphodian here, so we will probably see some nice variations :)
wxh100: I say white is looking for L4 or K5
]
(;B[ej]
C[robertmehl: According to ISibbol B is ahead
]
(;W[dj]
C[wxh100: 200 people!
JanGret: Okay, then I dobn't get at all what that graph there is showing me
]
(;B[ei]
C[Welvang: Hi, I will comment this game soon on twitch
BYT519: oh niiice :)
koksik: Welvgang <3 thanks!
robertmehl: thx, welvang
JanGret: Our savior, Tanguy!
]
(;W[gj]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: awesome!
wxh100: Good move
koksik: Welvang* :D misspelled
💖 KoBa 💖: hmm i dont feel b being ahead, b has very low positions and a floating group :/
wxh100: White got left territory
cerebeal: link?
]
(;B[gh]
C[wxh100: Also Q3 is in trouble
💖 KoBa 💖: tho i guess w doesnt have much territory eitehr now, except the left 
Mrrr: G10 is so cool
dlpigozzi: witch.tv/europeangofederation
Zaphodian: G12 feels good enough
robertmehl: https://www.twitch.tv/isibboi
wxh100: very cool
Chinitsu: don't do black magic
wxh100: forces black out
dlpigozzi: twitch.tv/europeangofederation
Chinitsu: try science.tv instead
wxh100: F12(?)
cerebeal: thanks
yahel.or.3: https://www.twitch.tv/isibboi    
hypergeometric: wxh100 : if you look closer at Q3 you'll see two eyes
wxh100: ?
hypergeometric: it's alive
Mrrr: in ko
wxh100: Let me see, I get a varistion
wxh100: wait
dlpigozzi: [object Object\]
Welvang: [object Object\]
ozzyiscimen: good
dlpigozzi: [object Object\]
💖 KoBa 💖: i guess white doesnt really care q3 that much, since black doesnt wanna play gote move in that area either
]
(;W[eg]
C[dlpigozzi: O2 could change the idea
koksik: KoBa exactly :) but he has some aji to activate this stone :)
koksik: in the future
koksik: maybe not so distant :D
dlpigozzi: m3 first for instance
Welvang: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
koksik: even R3 could make some ko :)
BYT519: hmm, not sure I understand E13 here
koksik: though I doubt r3 will be played ;P just example
dlpigozzi: I like it, I mean E13
koksik: E13 shape move, also telling black to connect with bad shape ;)
koksik: which I don't think black will do ;p
dlpigozzi: may be E9 now
]
(;B[hj]
C[BYT519: yeah but exactly because black would never do it
BYT519: like - if you don't hit E13 as white - what is black going to do to 'punish' that?
koksik: yeah, he would never do it, which means he has to be mindful of being cut in half pootentially
KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
BYT519: what is that variation lol
Zaphodian: it's an 8k variation
BYT519: ahaha
]
(;W[gi]
C[KKkanbolat: thanks
]
(;B[hi]
C[Zaphodian: You can try out all kinds of variation by yourself without actually making the world part of it, just by the simple act of not sharing.
dlpigozzi: [object Object\]
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: a better one already
]
(;W[fh]
(;B[gg]
C[dlpigozzi: thanks
BYT519: I mean - it's fine, but it being 25 moves long is just a bit exessive :D
]
(;W[gk]
C[DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: yeah and in the variation, why did W played 13,14 and 15 moves ? xD
]
(;B[hk]
(;W[gl]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: my gut feeling says that white is ahead, but isibboi's kata says b+0.1 ^^
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: Artem is getting lot of cash
💖 KoBa 💖: i'm just bad at judging positions >___>
Coorchac: Siasio, gogogo *\\o/*
Zaphodian: Believe me, most of the Diagrams that I produce, I don't share. Incidentally, I used to be rated higher than Siasio is now (and I beat him about 18 months ago), but my reading has gone down a little.
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: but the black's strengh looks not usefull at all
Zaphodian: yes, this looks terrible for B
snakesss: i like newbies sharing variations
dlpigozzi: my poor 10k vision feels it was better to connect E11 and then go down
Lunla-RB: Wtf
snakesss: its brave 
snakesss: strong players should correct them perhaps?
Zaphodian: You can be brave and die. It happens all the time...
Lunla-RB: Cock
Lunla-RB: S
Lunla-RB: Cock
Lunla-RB: Cc
Coorchac: ?
Lunla-RB: C
Lunla-RB: Haha
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: Pp
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
Zaphodian: Lunla, please stop flooding
shallowdream: ？
Coorchac: Lunla, stop
dlpigozzi: F13? can actually cut B?
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: some moderators here to ban ?
Lunla-RB: Why
snakesss: see, you complain about a variation but here is this xD
JanGret: doesn't white love going further down here and just getting a large territory to the left?
Lunla-RB: Why
Lunla-RB: Why
Zaphodian: because this is a community
Lunla-RB: 😡😡😡😡😡
Lunla-RB: Ok
Lunla-RB: P
]
(;B[hl]
C[shallowdream: how old are you I wonder
cerebeal: Just block messages ez pz
death_taxes: can i block the chat from this muppet somehow?
snakesss: click name / block
Toei: shes a kid, like 5
death_taxes: but still i can see what he's writing here
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: W tenuki here
Zaphodian: thx, snakess.
cerebeal: I blocked and I can't see it
Lunla-RB: Not ai wtf
death_taxes: ah ok
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
death_taxes: had to tick the box, thanks
Yezurof: I struggle to see how to use this wall for Black, even more if white get sente
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: T-T
Lunla-RB: X
Lunla-RB: B
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: W plays p8 now ?
tekken8: i think theres still some aji with the e10 stones
Zaphodian: OK, I will block you now, too. Your problem will be that nobody will see your writing anymore and you can't even ask serious questions anymore. And it will be forever.
Lunla-RB: It not ai!
dlpigozzi: I was asking if B F13 could do the aji
ahsan.safdar: Variation: 10k variation was definitely the better direction
Lunla-RB: Joy aij
Lunla-RB: Yo
KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
Lunla-RB: 😭😭
]
(;W[qq]
(;B[oq]
C[DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: corner is better of course...
Lunla-RB: 😡no one want me :L
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
dlpigozzi: wow, nice timing
tekken8: this seems a bit odd
Lunla-RB: Bye
]
(;W[hm]
C[Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
Lunla-RB: P
Zaphodian: Anyway, it's still an even game.
KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
tibboh: cut!
tibboh: (says KataGo after 50k playouts)
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Kamakiri: White will not atari cutting stone
cerebeal: Feels uneven. Like black got a big wall facing an area that is basically already being reduced from the isolated white group and the corner spilling out. I suck at using walls though.
Zaphodian: Therefore, this cut is the move that Siasio is thinking about now.
JanGret: Tanguy is casting now, btw: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
tekken8: p8 seems like an important move here
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ge]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
dlpigozzi: the cut looks definitely good to get the territory on bottom/right
]
(;W[hd]
(;B[fi]
C[dlpigozzi: I think zaph is right, and that why he started at g15
dlpigozzi: artem reply fast
Zaphodian: I think I could show you how a top player like Siasio thinks. 
dlpigozzi: u r
Zaphodian: But I think the exchange of G15 for H16 is a small loss
JanGret: Thank you, Zapj. 
tekken8: shouldnt he cut at g7 first?
Zaphodian: It's very easy to show AI moves, but you can't come up with those moves yourself.
Yezurof: ask f11 question first, cut after
dlpigozzi: probably D13 is already a problem tekken
]
(;W[im]
C[DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: often, i found the moves of strong dan players, the problem is the reading behind the moves ahah
]
(;B[dg]
(;W[df]
C[KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
]
(;B[eh]
C[Zaphodian: To become stronger you have to know what to thinbk about. An AI can help you with that, though
]
(;W[ef]
(;B[fg]
(;W[hh]
C[Zaphodian: woah
tekken8: h12 is still a bad cut for black
tekken8: yeah
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: of course, w would not play c12....
Kamakiri: [object Object\]
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ih]
C[Zaphodian: Yes, 
]
(;W[hg]
C[Yezurof: "Let's trade the points I just made for the wall you just made"
]
(;B[hf]
(;W[ig]
(;B[if]
(;W[jg]
C[KKkanbolat: [object Object\]
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: what esle to do ?K
Zaphodian: So this uses the 'drive' tesuji
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: w still can play c12 so black didn't gained much
]
(;B[jk]
C[Zaphodian: https://senseis.xmp.net/?DrivingTesuji
tekken8: B seems in more trouble than before now
Zaphodian: No, I think H12 was very rash
tekken8: yes unless he can run h12 to save his stones. h12 is weak
Scoby: yea, i don't see the exact way to profit of the J13-Stones, but I would be verry uneasy as white
]
(;W[jd]
(;B[jf]
(;W[kg]
(;B[kf]
(;W[lg]
C[dlpigozzi: well, the fight is served
]
(;B[lf]
(;W[mg]
C[DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc: center is getting swallowed naturally
BYT519: geez, what happened here :D
JanGret: We are building pillars again?
BYT519: those are no longer iron pillars - these are diamond pillars :D
]
(;B[jm]
C[thomas.athorne: I'm amazed that kata still considers this so even!
dlpigozzi: there were no many points done
]
(;W[jn]
C[dlpigozzi: if B saves, katas idea, is even
BYT519: this doesn't look scary at all ^
Zaphodian: Why would this not be 'so even'?
]
(;B[km]
(;W[kn]
C[cerebeal: Going to try to live in there? yikes
Zaphodian: B has a weak group but B is ahead on territory
dlpigozzi: g7 is not working anymore
]
(;B[gm]
C[dlpigozzi: ouch
Zaphodian: says who?
]
(;W[fm]
C[dlpigozzi: me...
thomas.athorne: @Zaphodian It has the feel of a situation in which one or the other player has made a mistake---you said yourself that w's h12 was 'very rash'.
Zaphodian: Now, after G7 F7 exchange, I think the balance has tilted in B's favor
]
(;B[gn]
C[Anthe: yawp , kata agrees
]
(;W[ho]
C[dlpigozzi: i didnt share my variation of g7 because I probably couldnt see a good result
]
(;B[fn]
C[Zaphodian: Yes, but even so. W was ahead before cutting at H12. After that he probably was behind. But it couldn;t be more than a few points. W managed to strengthen his stones on the right, which is also a plus.
]
(;W[em]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: [object Object\]
ahsan.safdar: why didnt black cut at F8 instead of the F6 move? any ideas?
]
(;B[fp]
C[tekken8: i think w should have protected g7 at some point
]
(;W[jp]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Ray Anthony: black sees an opportunity in the lower left corner that he wants to take
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
tekken8: now black has to run again
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
💖 KoBa 💖: oh i see
]
(;B[ek]
(;W[el]
(;B[lm]
C[Ray Anthony: black needs14F
]
(;W[il]
(;B[kj]
C[Zaphodian: f14 is peanuts at the moment
dlpigozzi: he can cut at J16 or connect with N17
Ray Anthony: agreed...but he needs it
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;W[kq]
(;B[iq]
C[Scoby: How can you say you agree and say something, that contradicts ;-)
Ray Anthony: youre right
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
Ray Anthony: because the battle in the center at the moment is obviously more important
tekken8: i really hate the l10 shape
bartosz: Artem has 6:0 track record against Siasio
dlpigozzi: tanguy is catching up with h12
Zaphodian: [object Object\]
pistodrake04: L10 protected from l9 cut?
OndraKruml: siasio play quite impressive at least to me
bartosz: yes, kata agrees
Anthe: b+8
Zaphodian: So you can listen to Tanguy. He gives a human approach to how to think - no matter what kata says. https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
tekken8: l10 protects l9 and j9 cut both
]
(;W[ln]
C[Zaphodian: Tanguy's level is in between Siasio's and Artem's.
]
(;B[mn]
C[tekken8: yeah w really shouldve protected g7
]
(;W[mo]
(;B[nn]
C[Scoby: i really start to like black. I think he can make the bottom right corner solid, basicly in sente and play something big at the top.
]
(;W[mq]
C[pistodrake04: I'm quite new to ogs if I have to go but want to dl this game can I find it again easily?
]
(;B[mf]
C[joerg: just bookmark it
dlpigozzi: yep
dlpigozzi: same url
dlpigozzi: it will be there
liquid: black ahead by a lot ?
Scoby: when the game is finished, you can download the with a button on the right side - it will apear when the game is finished
pistodrake04: Ah true thx ogs pretty well done website
]
(;W[lp]
(;B[ng]
C[Scoby: bottom right corner bigger as the center ?!?
liquid: gg
]
(;W[mi]
C[Zaphodian: It's clear that B has the initiative now
]
(;B[nh]
(;W[ji]
C[tekken8: clear as day
dlpigozzi: was M4 necessary?
Scoby: I think M4 threatens to live in the corner
Scoby: or make a ko
]
(;B[ik]
(;W[lk]
C[liquid: not really
]
(;B[lj]
(;W[mj]
(;B[mk]
(;W[nk]
(;B[ml]
C[dlpigozzi: I suppose it was a matter of life but that sente felt important
]
(;W[pl]
(;B[qm]
(;W[ph]
(;B[ci]
C[liquid: its amazing, Siasio so strong
tekken8: if b gets the bottom right corner after this its over
]
(;W[ld]
C[Coorchac: Siasio pstrąg
kusrabs: стратег, что ли?
BYT519: well this didn't explode at all ^^
malishevserafym: c11 not sente?) 
dondake: Does ogs support star/bookmark this match to match for watching later ?
]
(;B[lc]
C[fightyoats: i dont think so
fightyoats: you can bookmark from your browser though
]
(;W[jc]
C[ZenKen*: Copy URL from browser to your notebook
]
(;B[bk]
C[PrzemoWodarski: :D
ZenKen*: https://online-go.com/game/30481978
]
(;W[eo]
C[kusrabs: Ctrl+D, may be, enough? And then just use arrows
pito42: You can find all games on https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html
dondake: Thanks. But I think I will open a feature request on github repository .
malishevserafym: [object Object\]
ahsan.safdar: you can replay a stored game anytime you like, the feature is already there @dondake
BYT519: storing a game and making it a favorite - not really the same tho ^^
dondake: yeah, kind of moving those games to personal favorite collection.
malishevserafym: c8
marmez: Sasio! Sasio!
Coorchac: *\\o/*
]
(;B[or]
(;W[md]
C[kusrabs: https://online-go.com/player/380653/BAM8591 , what you think? Is there any chance for white?
JanGret: Just let me take over and I throw this in 2 moves
]
(;B[nd]
C[ahsan.safdar: i meant a game stored on the ogs server, not yourself
MuYu: F13 ?
Ray Anthony: why did white make N16?
]
(;W[nc]
(;B[nb]
C[ZbigniewWodecki: threatening to cut O17
]
(;W[oc]
C[tekken8: so basicall white is behind after p2 and the d6 group is still in danger
]
(;B[ob]
C[Ray Anthony: It feels like white is in total control
mikach27: O15 P16 P14
tekken8: not really. hes trying to turn the game with this fight
gisel88.gm: D6 is not in danger, game seems pretty even I guess
tekken8: not really Artem's style
riiia: can black live on the left side?
David_Turman: Hmmm ... I'm not sure if white can make a second eye with his D6 group.
]
(;W[ne]
C[tekken8: its a miai now with g4 or c7 but its upto black
Braintease: @David_Turman i am sure, white can 
urdivine: nice one ritgh there
JanGret: Does O15 threaten to cut of the K14 group, which technicly is not yet alive?
tekken8: [object Object\]
urdivine: I think so but especially the group O13 right?
tekken8: its not dead
Prasit: q17
]
(;B[od]
(;W[of]
C[Zaphodian: [object Object\]
]
(;B[nf]
(;W[oe]
(;B[bg]
C[JanGret: wow, you totally called it
t4rquinSl4yer: [object Object\]
malishevserafym: painful for white
]
(;W[ch]
C[tekken8: now i feel like white should have played b13 first
Zaphodian: Well, I can read so-so, but I did not read C12...
]
(;B[di]
(;W[cg]
(;B[bh]
C[urdivine: Was O14 not important for white?
]
(;W[cl]
C[Prasit: Is there a byo yomi?
]
(;B[bf]
(;W[be]
C[Mardipaev: fisher time, 20 sec added each move to main time
]
(;B[bl]
C[JanGret: But timeout is quite a likely end here
]
(;W[bm]
C[Hamlet: You can check the game information on the right with the "i" (bottom on tabletmode)
]
(;B[kc]
(;W[kd]
(;B[ai]
(;W[kb]
(;B[lb]
(;W[la]
(;B[pc]
(;W[pm]
(;B[pn]
C[David_Turman: That is so ... where are my pills?
]
(;W[on]
C[malishevserafym: overplay((
Sadiker: L11
]
(;B[qn]
(;W[nm]
(;B[mm]
(;W[no]
(;B[ki]
C[riiia: b has a plan hopefully
tekken8: this is risky
BYT519: plan?
liquid: this is not risky when you count
BYT519: for what?
riiia: to live?
BYT519: N12 is the plan I'd reckon
Prasit: I think the middle is dead.
]
(;W[ii]
(;B[mh]
C[Mardipaev: nice
]
(;W[lh]
(;B[li]
(;W[jl]
(;B[kl]
(;W[nl]
C[urdivine: whhaaat
BYT519: seki it is
tekken8: seki
JimHSoars: Where can I learn about counting as you play?
]
(;B[kk]
C[BYT519: just count :D
Puumanamana: seki feels good for black
]
(;W[qk]
(;B[oo]
(;W[om]
(;B[oi]
(;W[nj]
C[BYT519: P11 feels good ^^
tekken8: yeah this is annoying
]
(;B[hp]
(;W[io]
(;B[jb]
C[Siasio: Thank you
artem92: thank you
Siasio: I think you cannot play M4
Siasio: you need to assume it lives
Siasio: also I think that the lower right is a good result for Black
Siasio: not sure about this exact position but I think usually it's considered better for Black
artem92: thats true
Siasio: perhaps White needs to E4 instead of C5, it's not clear what Black can get out of it
Siasio: hm, according to AI the lower left is completely normal
liquid: black won
liquid: gg
fightyoats: gg
BYT519: gg
JanGret: gg
Kamakiri: gg
Hamlet: gg
💖 KoBa 💖: gg"
urdivine: gg
Coorchac: Gggggff
Puumanamana: gg
Cezary: gggggg
Łukasz W.: wow, good game
Fisherman_M: gg
robertmehl: gg
ManyBears: gg
Cezary: staś królem świataaaaa
Braintease: congratulation
David_Turman: What a thrilling game.
Łukasz W.: brawo Siasio!
Zaphodian: Great game
Gacek: Brawo!
koksik: Brawo Siasio!
marmez: Brawo!
sithari: best of 3?
Coorchac: Siasiu, wyjdź za mnie
ZbigniewWodecki: gratulacje
Nissa: Congrats Stanislaw
]
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