(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-01-27]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/30522447]
GN[Grand Prix Final]
PB[Palko]
PW[roln90]
BR[1d]
WR[2d]
TM[2700]OT[20 fischer]
RE[B+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Palko: have a nice game
roln90: have a nice game
]
;B[qc]
(;W[dp]
(;B[qq]
(;W[dc]
(;B[cq]
(;W[cp]
(;B[dq]
(;W[ep]
(;B[eq]
(;W[fq]
(;B[fr]
(;W[ch]
C[tekken8: cool
]
(;B[gq]
(;W[fp]
(;B[bq]
(;W[nd]
(;B[pe]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: woo more grand prix \\o/
]
(;W[jd]
C[Rocco: let's go!
Kamakiri: I hope palko wins this one, so we'll see a third game
💖 KoBa 💖: lets see if ilya gets his place in the finals, or do we get to see a decisive game tomorrow ^^
]
(;B[he]
C[Kamakiri: I'd play D16 in this situation and then lose miserably. Not because I like that move but because AI loves it. And I don't have any other place to put a stone either...
💖 KoBa 💖: hahaha
awaytoplay: d16 won't lose the game
]
(;W[de]
C[Kamakiri: It will lose the game when I'm the one who's playing it :D 
Rocco: Seems super early for a fifth line move. 
]
(;B[hc]
(;W[ic]
C[US2Windsor: ：）
awaytoplay: it is psychologically not easy to add a stone to the lower half of the board
awaytoplay: because g3 and r3 are both low
]
(;B[fc]
C[awaytoplay: [object Object\]
]
(;W[jf]
C[awaytoplay: [object Object\]
]
(;B[hg]
(;W[pc]
C[Rocco: C16 still works later right? 
💖 KoBa 💖: ohh they are playing quite fast again ^^
filip.diloom: neither player want to be in time trouble when fighting starts
]
(;B[oc]
(;W[pd]
(;B[od]
(;W[qd]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: woah what is this shape
]
(;B[pb]
C[Kamakiri: It's joseki
💖 KoBa 💖: really? o.o
]
(;W[qb]
(;B[qe]
(;W[rd]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: i've never seen this joseki, but tbh i never play 3-3's myself so...
Whirly: well the situation is a bit different
Kamakiri: Yeah AI exactly suggested these moves for both
Whirly: but resembles am old joseki
Kamakiri: And now black has to play O15
]
(;B[ob]
(;W[oe]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: heh palko disagrees
Whirly: strange
]
(;B[rb]
(;W[rc]
(;B[qa]
(;W[re]
(;B[qg]
C[Kamakiri: After R19, white winrate was %94. But  now it is %85 if white plays Q13
Kamakiri: White definitely hated P18
Kamakiri: AI hated*
]
(;W[of]
(;B[pg]
(;W[nc]
(;B[nb]
(;W[mb]
C[bensho: hated? like it.
filip.diloom: white is kind of thin but B feels broken
Rocco: Ilya's consistency is insane. 
JaroTheFirst: Drzim palce, Palko
]
(;B[rf]
C[joe_rickard: [object Object\]
]
(;W[na]
C[Kamakiri: Aaaand it's ko
]
(;B[qc]
C[yahel.or.3: https://www.twitch.tv/isibboi   Anyone who wants to see
]
(;W[gf]
C[filip.diloom: does b Have a ko threat?
Kamakiri: N17 is a local Ko Threat I think
Mardipaev: no it's not
Mardipaev: [object Object\]
]
(;B[hf]
(;W[qb]
(;B[mc]
C[filip.diloom: more like the  ko is two stage for w 
Kamakiri: AI says white has to answer with N16
Mardipaev: or maybe i'll eat my words -,-`
dacat1: what a party already
awaytoplay: white can afford to die here
dacat1: yes...
Kamakiri: [object Object\]
dacat1: even if white uses q4 as a threat, he's not bad i suppose
nomadic: arent these guys bored of playing each other
]
(;W[md]
C[demetregelashvilo123: i am lowest rank here B)
]
(;B[qc]
(;W[gr]
C[OGA937: Nomadic. Don't think so. It always fan to play with a friend. I guess they are)
]
(;B[hr]
(;W[qb]
(;B[lc]
(;W[lb]
(;B[qc]
(;W[gs]
C[dacat1: ooof
dacat1: Ilya starting to make payments for this ko
dacat1: not sure I agree
💖 KoBa 💖: mmmh isnt b gaining for these G2 G1 threats?
]
(;B[hs]
C[dacat1: g2 is fine
tekken8: gotta love these early kos
]
(;W[qb]
C[awaytoplay: white can no longer afford to die here
]
(;B[kc]
C[dacat1: g2 is almost not a loss because you would rarely play h2 peep anyway
dacat1: giving h1 stone is more serious business though
demetregelashvilo123: maybe i am really dumb but, cant B kill G1,G2?
Mkyle: Is q14 a solid local threat? Or just lossy? Is that letting b off?
dacat1: q14 is bad for external liberties
dacat1: some issues with o15 cut afterwards
]
(;W[kb]
(;B[qc]
(;W[gp]
(;B[hq]
(;W[qb]
C[Volker_S_Halstenbek: does anyone can imagine a GOOD result overall for b here?
]
(;B[ma]
C[AvikDragon55: nope
AvikDragon55: not me
💖 KoBa 💖: i can imagine many dead white stones if b wins the ko 
dushki: i cant imagine anything :P
]
(;W[ld]
C[dacat1: it annoys me that, as far as I can tell, the only reason white played g1 instead of g4 first was that he was concerned black will take g1 instead of connect h3
Avtikh: i imagine all the people
Avtikh: sharing all the world
Love: in happiness?
dacat1: o/
Kamakiri: o7
Igloo: /me imagines dragons & pukes.
drmwc: Living lives of peace....
]
(;B[qc]
C[Avtikh: not on this board tho
]
(;W[gd]
C[dushki: XD
]
(;B[hd]
(;W[qb]
C[dushki: pls can someone tell me what happens if black takes G1,G2?
tekken8: w got g4 g14 g16 and m17 capture from the ko already
dushki: i am new to this game
dushki: want to learn
Kamakiri: AI absolutely hates this KO and suggests black to play J5, white to play F12
Daimo: @dushki - then white gets sente and its a bad move
dacat1: this ko is too grotesque... 
Avtikh: @kamakiri I think thats because of n19
Welvang: [object Object\]
Avtikh: this ko is not direct anymore
dacat1: i should be doing my homework, 
dacat1: but i cant
omdn03: lol 
Love: same lol
美国唐杰: PogChanp, Welvang 2k :O
Kamakiri: Thanks Ali!
dushki: same here XD
Love: id like to ban the H word from the chat
dacat1: after white m16, the logical thing for both players should be to ignore the ko
nice-round-tv: I'm at work, checking in when I hear a stone clack
Free Tibet: That's more important than homework
shinuito: Did I expect a crazy ko this early, kind of, but I'm still surprised
dacat1: because the ko has steps now
US2Windsor: not good
dacat1: should be worth ignoring
Free Tibet: What's homework to life and death problems?
Volker_S_Halstenbek: looks like a stregy of mine: mess up the game really early and then run run run after to win... and fail
Volker_S_Halstenbek: :-)
dacat1: i actually dislike n19: big payment to kinda maybe sorta not really fix the corner
dacat1: white's shape outside is amazing now
]
(;B[cm]
(;W[dl]
C[awaytoplay: n19 allowed white to die again, now the ko is only about points
Volker_S_Halstenbek: m17 gone is already bad :-(
carmelcake: p17 is gone right
Kamakiri: If Black ignores the Ko, it's slightly good for Black. If black turns back to the ko, game is slightly good for white
]
(;B[bo]
C[filip.diloom: it's not big enough anymore
carmelcake: okay
]
(;W[bp]
(;B[ap]
C[US2Windsor: what is AI saying now? thx
Rocco: It's still pretty big though :P
filip.diloom: they each have a floating stick to look after
이대연: [object Object\]
kendfrey: pretty even according to kata
death_taxes: w+1
]
(;W[dm]
(;B[cl]
(;W[ck]
C[dacat1: im guessing w was quite a bit better after n19, but then he took r18 and donated sente
carmelcake: i will be here for the whole game 
]
(;B[dn]
C[Free Tibet: You could stay longer
]
(;W[cn]
C[carmelcake:  i have nothing else to do so sure
Fab9876: Why C6 ? I don't get it
]
(;B[bn]
(;W[co]
C[carmelcake: cause c5 connect  to f4 group
death_taxes: P18 #35 -27.04%O19 #48 -15.31%M18 #60 -15.13%S15 #40 -11.25%B5 #79 -9.93%G1 #62 -9.00%
carmelcake: and cuts off d6
]
(;B[bk]
(;W[bj]
C[death_taxes: biggest blunders
]
(;B[bl]
(;W[dk]
C[cjean: c5 was fine
pianoman: Who is ahead?
cjean: for black instead of b6
cjean: white
Rocco: This looks too good for white.
US2Windsor: I don't like B on Cxx, since it makes B Hxx week
]
(;B[ge]
C[Saddharmapundarika: they choose such odd direction of play
Welvang: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
pianoman: I’m having trouble figuring out the status of the upper right. Is it ok?
]
(;W[sb]
(;B[qc]
(;W[ra]
C[dlpigozzi: it is ko
dlpigozzi: not ok
dlpigozzi: :P
]
(;B[sa]
(;W[sc]
C[cjean: black dead
pianoman: Haha ko*
Rocco: T15?
AvikDragon55: Ko
carmelcake: [object Object\]
death_taxes: T17 kinda bad
Kamakiri: White This was a big mistake according to AI, just play Q5 or Q9 says Aı
Rocco: Gonna provide a reason?
AvikDragon55: [object Object\]
AvikDragon55: @carmlecake
death_taxes: Q5 here for b
dlpigozzi: w will do R18
]
(;B[pm]
C[Saddharmapundarika: most likely because even white wins ko now black gets sente
dlpigozzi: in avik's variation I meant
carmelcake: [object Object\]
]
(;W[io]
C[pianoman: White also needs 2 moves to end the ko doesn’t he?
dlpigozzi: yep
]
(;B[og]
(;W[qb]
(;B[cd]
C[dlpigozzi: and now? big threats?
dlpigozzi: love it, c16
death_taxes: C16 not good
Rocco: lol. death_taxes, you just running your ai?
death_taxes: appr. -2p
dlpigozzi: could W ignore?
death_taxes: obviously
Rocco: Well, people are suggesting human moves. No reason to shoot every single one down.
Rocco: Anybody can run an Ai.
death_taxes: to me it looks like a valid ko threat
death_taxes: i don't disagree
dlpigozzi: then c17 takes the corner, and the aji looks good for F17and the group
carmelcake: i like debaiting so no ai
death_taxes: some people asked for AI a couple of messages ago and i'm happy to oblige
dlpigozzi: is fine
dlpigozzi: thx for sharing it
carmelcake: still nice to now what ai is thinking
]
(;W[dd]
(;B[qc]
(;W[hi]
C[Rocco: I can agree with that. But just saying x is not good, without a reason, doesn't really help either. 
pianoman: My guess is that it is a threat that strengthens whites position slightly?
dlpigozzi: D11? breakladder and peep?
LingDao: I feel AI gives a fake feeling of understanding. For your human game knowing what stronger humans think to find good moves helps a lot more
fatihgo: ignore?
Евгений Сочи: Смешно видеть как (к) обсуждают Профи))) 
Rocco: It's nice to know the AI's favourite move to indicate direction of play though. 
Евгений Сочи: (d) молчат 
]
(;B[jg]
C[carmelcake: how does everyone feel about h16
carmelcake: group
S_Alexander: Даны общаются телепатией. 
dlpigozzi: palko is rerving the aji at K18 and so, he didnt touch it there
Trollbridge: W m13 here? 
dlpigozzi: probably W's answer is painful
Евгений Сочи: может понимают больше))) вот и молчат))
dlpigozzi: resrving*
Saddharmapundarika: shindig strategy
gaxxlol: carmelcake, this looks like a group that would eventually die if I were playing black
Saddharmapundarika: *shinogi strategy
death_taxes: first deep thinking for Ilya?
kamistar: I enjoy this game with graphical style of Conquest of Go.
carmelcake: [object Object\]
]
(;W[ji]
(;B[kf]
(;W[qb]
(;B[im]
(;W[ra]
C[carmelcake: from move 107 blue line
Rocco: ouch
Rocco: what's the score lead now?
carmelcake: ohhh  that hurts 
death_taxes: even
Rocco: dang
Rocco: I expected white to lead
death_taxes: S19 though was almost -5p
Rocco: How do you mean almost?
]
(;B[ij]
(;W[ii]
C[death_taxes: there are decimals
carmelcake: well black has a toe in whites territory 
Tybalt: [object Object\]
fatihgo: is k5 the blue spot here?
]
(;B[gk]
C[kendfrey: yes
]
(;W[je]
(;B[gn]
C[carmelcake: i think g11 looks good 
Tsoy17: [object Object\]
death_taxes: maybe the plan for w is to attack the J7 stones and with the thickness in the center reduce/invade the right?
tresscd: i like that reading
]
(;W[en]
(;B[hp]
(;W[oq]
C[Rocco: wow G6 was quite sharp!
carmelcake: [object Object\]
]
(;B[po]
(;W[lq]
(;B[eg]
C[david.maqueira24: i felt e13 personally
carmelcake: can white connect
dlpigozzi: [object Object\]
carmelcake: [object Object\]
carmelcake: can white connect 
carmelcake: ???????
Free Tibet: yes
Braincrash: maybe L13
]
(;W[dg]
C[Rocco: EGF stream is quality. 
]
(;B[fi]
C[sassycat7: Go palko!
carmelcake: oooooh
carmelcake: i am liking black right know
carmelcake: so what next??????
Braincrash: b is far behind
hypergeometric: white P10
Braincrash: maybe Q9
carmelcake: true but everyone likes an underdog
Free Tibet: L9
hypergeometric: maybe, but W9 looks a bit too inside already no ?
Braincrash: 3 stones r not important yet
Free Tibet: W9 is illegal move
hypergeometric: oh I meant Q9 
tresscd: :)
carmelcake: i agree with hyper 
Free Tibet: q9 is too deep
Braincrash: b is too weak
carmelcake: later q9 might be nice though
carmelcake: who knows
death_taxes: top choice here is R2...
carmelcake: [object Object\]
carmelcake: will the black stone turn into territory though
]
(;W[ig]
C[Braincrash: easy path
]
(;B[kg]
(;W[if]
C[Sadiker: N4 looks nice
]
(;B[di]
C[carmelcake: i think connect those black stones in variation 5 will be easy but will it  be just a line or  more
david.maqueira24: shape move 
dlpigozzi: few points in the middle
dlpigozzi: just surviving is fine
carmelcake: true 
pianoman: That move also threatens the white group on the side
Braincrash: F7
david.maqueira24: c11 would be super safe prevents black from moving in and protects the cutting point at c10
]
(;W[eh]
C[david.maqueira24: i see this man wants to fight i like the spirit
]
(;B[dh]
C[Braincrash: b has to fight
]
(;W[ci]
C[1weigo: Are there playint online?
kendfrey: yes this is the actual game
1weigo: playing*
]
(;B[df]
(;W[cg]
(;B[ef]
(;W[cf]
C[death_taxes: b+6 here
1weigo: Where does this game take place?
Trevoke: here
]
(;B[dj]
C[1weigo: Here ?
Trevoke: they play von their computers
explo: theyre playing from home
1weigo: ah ok
explo: they're*
kendfrey: c11 was apparently 5 points loss
]
(;W[cj]
(;B[lo]
(;W[qr]
(;B[rr]
(;W[pr]
C[hypergeometric: why not black J12 ?
HAILTOME: c11 was not necessary
notGood justOk: ahoj palo
david.maqueira24: W, e10 B E11 W, F10 splits the groups does it not ? 
]
(;B[nf]
(;W[ne]
C[carmelcake: i guess he thought q2 area was more important
]
(;B[lj]
C[1weigo: roln (3p) plays c11 and you think (11k) it's not necessary?????????
mcpudding: 11k always right
david.maqueira24: probably points wise 
death_taxes: that's one scary looking box
kusrabs: may be the 11k looks to the Kata 9p?
vegetta8787: what is 3p?
vegetta8787: I thought it was 3d as dan?
david.maqueira24: kata 10p*
hypergeometric: it's 3 pan
IronEyes: professional dan
hypergeometric: it's the number of pans they have in their kitchen
david.maqueira24: ^spittin
mateussouza10101: and d is the number of kitchen drawers
vegetta8787: what is pan?
vegetta8787: are these people actually on this server or it's like a replay from another game?
david.maqueira24: actual people
mateussouza10101: this is a live game
]
(;W[fj]
C[carmelcake: think black still has e11 and possible connect to h13
vegetta8787: but I mean on this server? not a mirror from another live game like elsewhere?
kendfrey: no, this is not a mirror
]
(;B[fh]
C[vegetta8787: I never realized actual people played here
vegetta8787: is it me or is black winning?
Michal_SK: [object Object\]
david.maqueira24: really depends on how he develops the influence in the middle and right side 
Braincrash: its harder for w than it used to
david.maqueira24: i would sayyes currently 
mcpudding: i wonder how white will handle the q10 area
mcpudding: it looks so massive
]
(;W[qk]
C[david.maqueira24: like that
2022: woahh
mcpudding: XD
2022: 305 people
david.maqueira24: lmao
2022: this is so cool
2022: woah
Braincrash: late
david.maqueira24: i ecpect a pincer to prevent the base or a cap to build center 
carmelcake: [object Object\]
IronEyes: kick?
elsky: don't tell me this can live
]
(;B[rl]
C[Braincrash: something lives
paintcan: this is an extremely late probe
david.maqueira24: didnt expect that 
IronEyes: kinda kick
death_taxes: if it was someone else i'd say this will die, but knowing that Ilya is playing...
hypergeometric: wow R9 even deeper than Q9
hypergeometric: maybe he'll sacrifice this stone to reduce ?
mcpudding: i guess we all just watch and learn now
Braincrash: R13 is not alive yet, or L13
Rocco: death_taxes: what's the score like?
death_taxes: maybe the plan is to sacrifice it in good style?
Braincrash: if w just dies b+20
1oftheones: hello
death_taxes: B+4.5
]
(;W[ql]
C[david.maqueira24: i am not very smart but m12 looks interesting someone talk me out of it 
Rocco: ta
death_taxes: this looks so heavy...
]
(;B[rm]
C[notGood justOk: why m12?
Braincrash: M12 N13
notGood justOk: maybe later
david.maqueira24: very slow and i say that bc it threatens the o13 cut and slitting groups while giving an out to his stones on the right side 
Braincrash: N13 looks like the key spot
paintcan: m11 is what my eye is draw to but i can't say it's good enough
david.maqueira24: but doesnt look like it will move that way 
death_taxes: yeah, M12, N12, N11 are top choices
notGood justOk: right area is important now i guess
david.maqueira24: woohoo im not as small brain as i thought 
SloMoFoGo: slomoe
david.maqueira24: is this japanese biyomi ?
IronEyes: fischer time
kendfrey: fischer with +20s per move
david.maqueira24: thank you 
carmelcake: j10 looks kind  insecure to me  ??? 
]
(;W[qp]
C[david.maqueira24: i like this 
]
(;B[rp]
(;W[qo]
C[2022: can they see our chats?
TexasMomtears: no
david.maqueira24: no 
mcpudding: ofc they can see our chat
2022: what
mcpudding: lol
2022: im confused
mcpudding: rly
mateussouza10101: no lol
2022: ok
Daimo: they cannot until the end of game
Daimo: and then it becomes available
2022: ohhhh
2022: ohhh makes sense
carmelcake: [object Object\]
2022: damn bruh they started 12:03 and its 1:59 now
paintcan: otherwise they'd steal all the good moves posted here
2022: its been 2 hours
sithari: this looks gg
david.maqueira24: lmao "good moves"
Jon Reece: Ho - ho!
mateussouza10101: >good moves
david.maqueira24: why r5 ?
]
(;B[oo]
C[sithari: trade
sithari: corner for side
carmelcake: yes i agreewith sithari
]
(;W[pp]
(;B[ro]
(;W[qn]
C[Kamakiri: This is a move to kill
]
(;B[qm]
(;W[jq]
(;B[gj]
C[2022: anyone got tips for getting to 1k or 1d
death_taxes: watch hikaru 10 times
pizza_with_2_z: practice
david.maqueira24: any tips on getting to 24kyu?
estrange: sausages
2022: whats that
2022: 24k shouldntt be that hard
david.maqueira24: lots of sausages 
2022: if you know the rules ad can apply them to the board ur basically 20k
carmelcake: learn about two eyes 
nidza: anything but studying should do
nidza: reading inspiration books
nidza: etc
carmelcake: fake eyes 
2022: yea
carmelcake: ladders 
2022: wait nidza you beat this guy??
]
(;W[li]
C[2022: nidza dude
estrange: asking on a chat is not the quickiest way
carmelcake: and basic  surrounding 
2022: where else do i ask
kusrabs: https://online-go.com/player/925158/2022 , win Shikshin just once.
Braincrash: 2022 based on ur curve just wait a couple days
estrange: well... in churches
]
(;B[mi]
(;W[lh]
C[carmelcake: also watch games of strong players and try to play along 
2022: oh
2022: i see i guess
david.maqueira24: give up and play chess its what i did lmao
Aeverden: ))
]
(;B[mf]
C[carmelcake: see how they play agaisnt your own playing 
2022: i started chess a week ago
carmelcake: it helps
2022: yea i guess
2022: similar logical thinking? kinda?
paintcan: chess seems harder to me than go
2022: anyone else supposed to be in class rn 
carmelcake: see how they play agaisnt your own playing
david.maqueira24: chess wasnt bad got to 1200 after 3 weeks way easier than go 
death_taxes: can w afford not to connecr?
2022: wha the heck
2022: its been a week and im at like 300
david.maqueira24: just do puzzles for 3 hrs a day and play 20 games it worked for me 
kendfrey: I think chess is easier to grasp at the beginning
Braincrash: 6k is only 1 basic concept away from 1d
david.maqueira24: yeah in the 1800+ range chess gets really wild 
carmelcake: i dont know death taxes
2022: "1 concept away from 1d" lmaoo
2022: cap
2022: i played a dan player earlier on 9x9 and he was noticably better
paintcan: i like being able to look at the board and have a rough understanding of what is going on
]
(;W[mh]
(;B[nh]
C[kendfrey: ai reading out 45-move variations right now
david.maqueira24: white seems to be playing really thiccc
2022: not rly
]
(;W[kj]
C[2022: not on the bottom tbh
WaterAngel: @2022 aside from reading skill, you have to change your mindset to mprove
]
(;B[lk]
C[paintcan: chess is 100% life and death
2022: how do u know
]
(;W[kk]
C[rasatsu: in chess it's really hard to get a feel for how a game of players much better than you is going, in go you at least can see what might be the issues they're fighting over
2022: did u look at my games
]
(;B[ll]
(;W[kl]
(;B[lm]
C[Seward: I actually see it the other way rasatsu, that also might be because I play much more chess than go though
2022: black can play at l2 rn
Rocco: chess is very one dimensional ~~
2022: best move in my ooinion
2022: white playing at k2 cant stop black from connecting
death_taxes: 1d in what way?
rasatsu: if your rank is any reflection of your go abilities, then that makes sense
2022: r u guys old or nah
bigwizard: is this sudden death time settings?
carmelcake: white h5
2022: nah
JanSimara: b wins this tgame
2022: white k2 is better
rasatsu: you can check the game information on the panel on the right
2022: e18 is also pretty cool
kusrabs: oh... Bad news from Ekaterina... But for whom -- better to be silent, right?
]
(;W[jm]
C[carmelcake: ouch 
]
(;B[jn]
C[US2Windsor: too bigger for Black
]
(;W[il]
C[death_taxes: w is starting to slip
2022: guys what do u think is bigger l2 or e18
rasatsu: I don't think pure point collecting moves are the point atm
gisel88.gm: Isnt w ahead by like 5 points?
AvikDragon55: yeah
2022: not rly
Braincrash: i think that
JanSimara: b is
2022: its blacks move
JanSimara: with better aji
2022: so black could easily be ahead by playing e18
2022: or l2
]
(;B[km]
C[2022: that puts white lower right group in need of eyes
]
(;W[jl]
C[2022: the score estimator isnt that accurate sometimes
2022: it doesnt take into account lots of things
rasatsu: i don't think the score estimator runs a full analysis of the game
rasatsu: as an ai playing the game would
Rocco: nothing is worse than ogs score estimator
Rocco: lol
Rocco: even considering it is sinful :D
rasatsu: kgs score estimator
rasatsu: is worse
]
(;B[kr]
(;W[lr]
C[SardishGo: L2  kill 8 points for W
Braincrash: looks gote
Braincrash: J6 I think
]
(;B[nr]
C[kusrabs: I noticed that Ilia a few times lost the second games in series, but first and third plays as a demon. What you think?
]
(;W[nq]
C[carmelcake: be right back   in a minute 
]
(;B[mr]
C[SardishGo: O2 does not wor for blak - better k2 to erode points
]
(;W[mq]
(;B[jr]
(;W[rn]
(;B[sn]
C[CarloTibaldi: the problem is W life
]
(;W[kq]
C[SardishGo: i dont see escape foe W on low right
CarloTibaldi: so if it is dead not necessary to erode points
Photon_101: I think black is ahead?
CarloTibaldi: where?
kendfrey: katago says black is winning by 35
IronEyes: if that white group is dead absolutely
kendfrey: it must think w is dead
SardishGo: black m1  W dead.. i think, but i'm only low level player
Sadiker: j6
kusrabs: White just trains black to play until the very end. Because... There's a lot Fortuna can do.
]
(;B[jo]
(;W[rq]
(;B[sq]
(;W[so]
C[enthusi: white ran out of time though
]
(;B[sm]
(;W[rs]
C[burdakovadina: R1 for White ko?
Celebrir: W has alot of time tesujis
]
(;B[sr]
C[Love: hey white won that ko
]
(;W[qs]
(;B[os]
C[SardishGo: W is nor looking for ko...just 2 eyes
]
(;W[ms]
(;B[ns]
(;W[or]
C[dacat1: ko
dacat1: nice
Love: no i was here at the begining and watching the r17 ko
rachelp92: ko
]
(;B[ls]
(;W[ps]
C[Love: thats the one i meant
Siasio: N1 instead of P1 was killing, no?
]
(;B[ir]
(;W[ms]
C[kendfrey: kata thinks so
]
(;B[ns]
C[SardishGo: it is not ko..yet
JanSimara: it was
]
(;W[nr]
(;B[mr]
C[Siasio: Palko is just making it more exciting for the viewers:)
]
(;W[er]
C[enthusi: now w lives, doesnt it?
]
(;B[fs]
(;W[ms]
C[rachelp92: he will live but
]
(;B[jb]
C[rachelp92: at what cpst
david.maqueira24: super painful
]
(;W[jc]
(;B[mr]
C[rachelp92: q6
]
(;W[ip]
C[JanSimara: h7 threats kill center?
]
(;B[hm]
C[Love: that tesuji was so cool
]
(;W[ms]
C[JanSimara: j12 just kills i think
JanSimara: nvm
]
(;B[db]
C[JanSimara: im blind 
brusok1995: [object Object\]
rachelp92: w has to ignore that one
]
(;W[cb]
(;B[mr]
(;W[ho]
(;B[go]
(;W[ms]
C[rachelp92: b f5
SardishGo: l19 and the game is of black
Michal_SK: k4 or j3 
david.maqueira24: gg folks
]
(;B[ik]
C[Michal_SK: h9
mirreke: How is that a threat?
tekken8: j12
kaleballinson: Black J12?
Love: it doesnt look like blacks move is a threat at all
enthusi: b h8 is annoying now
Ninir: j12 works now
Love: how???
tekken8: yep
JanSimara: b missed same stuff as I did
rachelp92: because J12 but I'm not sure J12 works
Love: cant i still just ataria and then play n13
afewgoodguy: j12 not work yet
p20ggo: [object Object\]
tekken8: n13 doesnt work
]
(;W[lf]
C[JanSimara: oh
Radziol: b first l15
]
(;B[le]
(;W[ni]
C[Love: doesnt seem to help
JanSimara: actually j12 worked 
]
(;B[mj]
(;W[ng]
C[Kamakiri: Wow
JanSimara: so w going counter super well here
tekken8: oh
]
(;B[mg]
(;W[lg]
(;B[mr]
C[JanSimara: ko too heavy tho
JanSimara: gg
]
(;W[hl]
(;B[gl]
(;W[ms]
C[Michal_SK: ks or j4 ...
Michal_SK: j3 or k4
CheGuapara: would anyone care to explain to me why n1/n2 is so important? I'm having trouble understanding.. beginner ish player
enthusi: why not w q3, b s3 w t1 ?
Ninir: j3 and k4 are irrelevant
omeara: The life of the bottom right white group depends on it
Kamakiri: If N! dies, all of those white stones will die
notGood justOk: k12?
Sadiker: e5
rachelp92: f5
carmelcake: [object Object\]
]
(;B[ke]
C[tekken8: o13 maybe
]
(;W[me]
C[tekken8: this is better
CheGuapara: kamakiri thank you, but I don't see why white can't live by killing the s3 area 
P_Bateman: L11 AND fill the ko
]
(;B[kd]
(;W[ng]
C[Ninir: he can't kill s3
Love: s3 area is connected to the t6 group
]
(;B[ka]
(;W[oh]
(;B[pi]
C[Kamakiri: Holy crap
kendfrey: holy
Love: which is connected to the outside sorta
Ninir: q3 t4
tekken8: holy balls
CheGuapara: i see now
CheGuapara: thanks 
burdakovadina: Exciting game) I want to sleep, but i can't until game not finished
B2 Bomber: crazy
dacat1: whaaaa
Love: wth
]
(;W[oj]
(;B[pj]
C[Love: black won the ko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dacat1: can i focus on smth else for two minutes without everything exploding....
Rocco: what happened 
notGood justOk: wooow
Love: incredible 
Rocco: just heard people shouting on the stream
Rocco: lol
Sadiker: r11?
]
(;W[ok]
C[omeara: i don't understand what just happened
carmelcake: move 237 and move 238
]
(;B[pk]
C[Ninir: can white win from this position ??
Rocco: holy moly
Rocco: :D
tekken8: l1
Kamakiri: Just L1 already :(
Braincrash: now i gotta recount
Ninir: j6 for white will be huge soon
]
(;W[pf]
C[kendfrey: l1 - n14
JanSimara: funny center group not alive
notGood justOk: 1sec 
notGood justOk: XD
bigwizard: I missed something?
bigwizard: Why everyone surprised lol
]
(;B[mr]
(;W[fm]
(;B[gm]
(;W[ms]
(;B[qf]
(;W[mf]
C[Love: assuming white lives isnt it winning by a bit
]
(;B[mr]
(;W[om]
C[Love: or am i crazy
]
(;B[ol]
(;W[ms]
C[Love: someone do the work for me
Trevoke: dear lord this is a ko for .. the entire board, now?
enthusi: white could possibly live from 'the inside' soon
Photon_101: Now I think white wins if alive on the bottom
]
(;B[eb]
C[Love: that cant be big enough
liquid: where is white points?
]
(;W[ks]
C[US2Windsor: time to remove KO
notGood justOk: ok
]
(;B[nl]
C[Love: black doesnt have many points either does it?
Photon_101: oH i forgot black lived in the top nvm I think black is winning?
burdakovadina: B ahead
]
(;W[ca]
C[Photon_101: black has the top the corner and the side
rachelp92: j18 big
]
(;B[ek]
C[Love: if white gets j18 the top is miniscule
omeara: that was bigger than j18?
mical: j18 is gote. 
mical: because white needs to fix J12 cut
waffleslovehomes: so is e9?
kaleballinson:  It seems like if blak would have just won the ko on the bottom and give up whatever, then black would have had way more points. Am I wrong?
rachelp92: gote but big
Braincrash: Q10 i guess
TomiP: I count black ~15pt ahead
]
(;W[ib]
(;B[la]
(;W[hh]
(;B[hb]
(;W[ph]
(;B[qh]
(;W[qi]
C[Kamakiri: I really think it's less than 10 points
US2Windsor: crt
Love: the score estimate once corrected thinks its around 15
tekken8: thats a weird move
]
(;B[rh]
C[notGood justOk: r13 dead?
2022: the score estimate says blacks bottom right is dead lolol
Rocco: when will the decider be played?
Photon_101: Tomip I count about the same assuming nothing wild happens
]
(;W[oi]
(;B[pl]
C[Sadiker: 28th Jan  09:00
]
(;W[no]
(;B[nn]
(;W[mo]
(;B[mn]
(;W[fd]
(;B[cc]
(;W[bc]
(;B[ed]
C[Palko: thank you
fightyoats: gg
omeara: gg
Daimo: gg
kendfrey: way to go palko
Qinglong: gg!
B2 Bomber: gg
dacat1: whoooo
dacat1: congrats
Love: now it says over 20 in score estimate
Ninir: wp
Daimo: fun! 
errno_h: Gg
S_Alexander: gg
robertmehl: gg
notGood justOk: ok
carmelcake: gg
Rocco: move 196 spike
Rocco: holy
notGood justOk: 330
💖 KoBa 💖: gg!
shinuito: gg amazing game
Photon_101: gg
notGood justOk: GG
US2Windsor: nice one
Martin_L: [object Object\]
2022: anyone here a strong dan player tryna play me rn with handicap
2022: please
carmelcake: [object Object\]
carmelcake: [object Object\]
carmelcake: white needs two against one stone
alte_hippe: gg
carmelcake: [object Object\]
carmelcake: [object Object\]
notGood justOk: still 96 ppls XD
]
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