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CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
GN[Lee SeDol vs AlphaGo 2nd Match]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/114754]
PB[AlphaGo]
PW[Lee Se Dol]
BR[9p]
WR[9p]
OT[Error: time control missing]
RE[?]
SZ[19]
KM[7.5]
RU[Chinese]
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Andrei44: 9p?
HowToPlay?: Professional 9dan
Andrei44: the machine didnt proof it yet :)
HowToPlay?: meh 
Luqman: Hey folks!
tankbard: Sup
HowToPlay?: seems a little less nervous today 
AerialSnack: Err... the machine beat a 9p, even if it was only one game, it's at least that strong
tankbard: What stream are you watching?
calantir: HowToPlay?: thanks for doing this
HowToPlay?: No problem 
AerialSnack: I plan on staying up all night tonight, if you need someone to take over later
Luqman: Ya, thanks for the relay HowToPlay
AerialSnack: Whew I'm starving
Panada: woot its starting
AerialSnack: I wonder how much that goban cost
Panada: i caught up on the first match just in time
AerialSnack: AlphaGo is british?
phil.bordelon: I really want that magnetic standup goban
warm: google's deepmind is in britain
Billy31: mirror go haha. From move 0: 
Tran: when will be the next match?
InSente: d1. From move 0: 
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;B[pd]C[Link to video of the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-GsfyVCBu0

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;W[dp]C[Chinese rules: 7.5 Komi, 2 hours Main Time 1:00x3 Byo yomi]
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jianyao.ca: what is deep mind timing strategy?. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 
nordicFrench: https://deepmind.com/
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0xReki: Good Morning!
Billy31: lee sedol will mirror Alphago moves. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 
chauncey: Mirror go?
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semico: that'd be dope
Billy31: E 16. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 
StaIkerSan: any cheese would be a bad idea. he should just play his game
flexo37: Where is AGA stream?
tinuviel: https://forums.online-go.com/t/lee-sedol-9p-vs-alphago-match-series/6590
tinuviel: ^contains the game links for finished games and the dates for the upcoming games
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gyy54: who is Lee? white?. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 
gyy54: who is Lee? white?. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 
Manslay: komi power
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trohde: thanks for doing this, @HowToPlay?
HowToPlay?: you're welcome 
Wigou: why 7.5 komi ??
Kugosaki Weichigo: aga rules
Wigou: okok
OngChenLei: what is AGA?
Luqman: Chinese rule set Wigou
HowToPlay?: Chinese rules 
StaIkerSan: thats a lot
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Wigou: ty
DawoonYi: white is   LEE
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AerialSnack: I would play kobayashi
DawoonYi: https://online-go.com/game/4215682#_=_     I made live game for copying it.
Wigou: maru
AerialSnack: But then again, I love the kobayashi
DawoonYi: we can estimate scores in live.
AerialSnack: Why not just count?
OngChenLei:  AerialSnack what is konayashi?
AerialSnack: Kobayashi is an opening
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OngChenLei: kobayashi*
OngChenLei: oh
AerialSnack: http://senseis.xmp.net/?KobayashiFuseki
chauncey: kobayashi too boring, lets see some fighting
Wigou: The test in startrek for becoming a captain
AerialSnack: They still haven't told him that AG doesn't have a database?
Bronze: lol
Jonasd: i think we can count on some fighting with sedol 
tyraindreams: kobayashi maru
Bronze: he's a go player not a programmer
ghotro: is lee a bit too passive?
Traveller: No database, but its NN is based on many real games
Raidel: he is just using database figuratively
semico: i think it's more of an analogy anyway -- this position has appeared in datasets alphago has seen certainly
Jojo911: Kobayachi is a man's name.
AerialSnack: Actually, I'm pretty sure LSD will be much more aggressive this game
bmc: hehe, I don't think he's using the word database figuratevely
Jojo911: I think he is Kobayachi Koichi 9P.
bmc: but he should be
Tran: omg omg, AlphaGo knows about probes???
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Traveller: Redmond is not a computer programmer.
rosebud25: yess, both more aggressive
AerialSnack: Kobayashi is a pro who kind of invented the opening Jojo911
Traveller: He is really thinking about the exposure of the program to patterns
Traveller: He is using database because he doesn't have the vocabulary to be more precise.
Chinitsu: this fuseki is not Kobayashi
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Traveller: Chinese at the top
Manslay: omg
AerialSnack: That was... okay
Manslay: alphago teases Lee
AerialSnack: low chinese
felipem: she will not show us a new joseki today
Wigou: What's up with chinese ?...
tankbard: Good interview with one of the tech dudes right now
Manslay: every pro would play J3
Manslay: now Lee gets to attack black bottom group
AerialSnack: Did he say that low chinese was slow?
Manslay: while building for himself
Traveller: He talking about the end of yesterday's game
AerialSnack: Oh
AerialSnack: Okay xD
AerialSnack: I'm 95% sure Lee Sedol will play around K3
Traveller: He is explaining the nature of the endgame.
trohde: I’m just a measly DDDK (Deep Double Digit Kyu) … but this looks to me as if B is far ahead already
SandyTao: hello. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 
Traveller: MCTS tends to do that when it "knows" it is ahead
Chinitsu: in short he said yesterday's G13 was "I won"
Panada: i wonder how lee fells like atm
SandyTao: I'm 90% sure that Lee will lose. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 
tekoyaki: i wish we get to see AlphaGo's confidence level in the stream, but maybe the game will be less intense that way
bmc: hehe, pro games will always look like that
Manslay: w is ahead so far, trohde
Panada: im sure he doesnt want to repeat the previous match
chauncey: as a fellow DDDK I disagree and think black should resign
arczyx: white still has sente
Traveller: That is correct, Chinitsu
bmc: one way to get over that, the top right might look like black's corner to you
bmc: but it totally isn't
bmc: black just has some influence
jianyao.ca: hehe......... fighting for AGO. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 
Traveller: Very thin yet
bmc: most of the top is like that, it shouldn't at all count as black's yet
AerialSnack: inb4 Lee Sedol does a 3-3 invasion xD
Traveller: r17?
bmc: although, even as a nearly SDK, black still looks ahead until I logic myself into not believing that :)
Traveller: I wouldn't call ahead/behind yet
phil.bordelon: There was some discussion of this AI behavior on the AGA stream last night; glad to see the DeepMind guy explain it.
Traveller: But I'm DDK
phil.bordelon: (the "I don't care how strongly I win as long as I win" behavior)
arczyx: all depends on white next move
Traveller: I've seen it my own programs
arczyx: will he fight?
Traveller: It is Lee Sedol
Traveller: He will fight
Bronze: hahahaha
StaIkerSan: LOL ag tenukied the joseki, so weird!!!
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AerialSnack: lol
arczyx: you're right
arczyx: he's lee sedol
arczyx: he fight
Traveller: Not uncommon with that joseki
arczyx: haha
AerialSnack: I don't think that was really a wise choice, I feel like that's going to lead to a complicated fight
Traveller: Good explanation here
Bronze: maybe lee thinks that this time he will win the fights
Manslay: now if AG plays J3 we should guess if J17 to D10 exchange is good for white or not
phil.bordelon: I'm happy this explanation is public now :P
Xtremis730: ooooo
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AerialSnack: What is this shape?
Roybie: whaa
Traveller: All that and more is in the paper published in January
tankbard: Yeah they gave a few talks but it's good to have a hold on what's considered public knowledge
Manslay: can tenuki that
Jonasd: what is this move
arczyx: unique move
Jonasd: doesnt look familiar to me
chauncey: really glad they brought in someone to talk about the software
AerialSnack: I don't know, tenuki seems like it could be dangerous
vpfli: weird move
AerialSnack: I wouldn't like the shape it would leave
vpfli: but maybe soon the new joseki? ;)
arczyx: what's AG's purpose I wonder?
arczyx: I mean if LSD connect then what?
EIFY: AlphaGoSeki
Traveller: :-)
dracflam: good evening!
AerialSnack: If he connects, probably Q6, but why do that over something else, I don't know
Traveller: Just a note.  The operator in the room playing AG's moves is one of the programmers.
AerialSnack: I see, is he also a Go Player?
0xReki: It's kinda instresting the Neuro Computer Science guys at my Uni don't give a s… about the games.
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Traveller: Sad to hear
chauncey: Yes, he is also a go player
Traveller: The techniques are widely applicable to other problems
chauncey: 5d I think
arcv2: Alpha go's moves are displayed on a screen 
Fumbar: wooo lets go humans
phil.bordelon: 5k, I think, not 5d
AerialSnack: Actually, I'd laugh if AG tenukid
Manslay: Aja Huang is 5d, true
Traveller: Right, but Aja gets to play on the board
phil.bordelon: oh, really, 5d?
phil.bordelon: awesome.
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vesko_baby: it cant actually read a 100 moves
vesko_baby: we dont have that type of computing power yet :D
vesko_baby: maybe 25-30 max
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Traveller: There was a point where he really slapped one down yesterday
Traveller: It was a strong move
jianyao.ca: haha...........coming is BIG. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 
Roybie: the 3-3 in the top left
tankbard: Yeah, that corner move where we was like "fucking FINALLY"
tankbard: *he
AerialSnack: I was right, she did tenuki
FlamingSwordOfBodine: Did white get a lot more out of that lower right corner than black?
chauncey: haha he was so satisfied to finally have that move played
phil.bordelon: Yeah, I remember that slap-down
phil.bordelon: it was great.
AerialSnack: FlamingSwordOfBodine, hard to tell
chauncey: I think a lot of people were
Manslay: white is a lot more solid
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AerialSnack: Black looks weak and heavy, but who knows
OngChenLei: Wait 
OngChenLei: im new 
Traveller: I think Lee Sedol has respect for AG this time around.
AerialSnack: C5?
Manslay: lol what?
JanuarWiguna: B4 ?
chauncey: yesterday it seemed like Lee Sedol wasn't taking it that seriously until the invasion on the right side
Manslay: yesterday Lee got relaxed after move 10 and frustrated after 44
Manslay: when AG didn't take the center sacrifice
puhoo: hi guys
puhoo: C2, my feel
puhoo: Hi Traveller
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Traveller: It was C5
rosebud25: my move!
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AerialSnack: It was just like I planned it :D
AerialSnack: Errr, predicted it
Traveller: :-P
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AerialSnack: AG will cut
Traveller: Welcome, puhoo
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Traveller: Called the cut
AerialSnack: Oh yeah
Traveller: And the fight is on!
AerialSnack: D6
AerialSnack: Or D3
OngChenLei: D7
OngChenLei: why not D7?
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Traveller: d6 before d7
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AerialSnack: D7 isn't good for a direct fight like this
AerialSnack: It will be forced to connect anyways
Traveller: w c7 after b d7 back there
Traveller: AerialSnack has it
AerialSnack: Now D6
AerialSnack: Maybe E5, but I doubt it
Traveller: Or C7
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Traveller: Redmond called that one
AerialSnack: I don't get D2, seems slow
Traveller: Extend the weak stone
Manslay: w is so fine
HowToPlay?: if he didnt play in the cornr with d2 the black stones could be killed
AerialSnack: I think C6 was weaker than D3
AerialSnack: D6 doesn't really work anymore
XingZhang: d1. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 
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Traveller: Now we work on the next weak group
YSR43: isn't it too high
YSR43: shouldn't it be k3
Manslay: M3 is possible for w
Traveller: I think she is look for more  influence
AerialSnack: I was thinking J3
Traveller: Redmond is addressing the high move
Chinitsu: mm white is good
ghotro: does white control the  lower left corner?
Traveller: No
Traveller: Lower left is Black
Chinitsu: he's currently controlling C3 if that's what you mean
Traveller: White has it nearly sealed in
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Traveller: Left side is looking white
AerialSnack: I think AG might tenuki right
Traveller: It is time to extend on that side
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Traveller: Still looking for the extension depending on Sedol's next more
Traveller: move
Wigou: what's a tenuki ?
Manslay: play away
Traveller: Lee Sedol may play on the right
AerialSnack: ^
AerialSnack: I'm feeling the right
Traveller: It is the largest area currently
AerialSnack: Q9?
jianyao.ca: Q5 Q5?? why???. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 
AerialSnack: His stones are on the third line, so I think he'skind of limited
Traveller: Q/R14
Traveller: ?
AerialSnack: Hmmm...
Traveller: Then may pull back
Traveller: Or attack
AerialSnack: I think alpha go would respond with R12
Traveller: It is Lee Sedol after all
Traveller: True
AerialSnack: Though that stone is looking attackable
Traveller: c13?
Traveller: or r16?
rosebud25: f14 or m4
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phil.bordelon: good call on the right-side tenuki
AerialSnack: Oh, you called it
phil.bordelon: A+
AerialSnack: That wasn't really a tenuki
Traveller: Now to see if you get the response
kennyjay: why not O17 approach?
Manslay: O16 is proper
Traveller: True
Manslay: R12 would be a nonsense
rosebud25: m14
AerialSnack: We'll see what happens :D
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Traveller: kick!
phil.bordelon: Lee Sedol had an interesting look at that play
AerialSnack: Hmm
Traveller: Missed that
AerialSnack: I'm not sure how to respond... maybe around P11
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Traveller: Redmond called it
AerialSnack: Man, this is a rather normal game other than the Q5 incident
phil.bordelon: for those who haven't messed a lot with YT livestreams, you can pause and rewind them, then use the option menu to speed back up to 1.5x and catch up live
Traveller: Thanks
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Chinitsu: is there any other stream?
AerialSnack: If it was gonna play O16 anyways....
phil.bordelon: I use that all the time
semico: Q10
Chinitsu: Google's stream is kind of too basic
phil.bordelon: The AGA stream is likely to start soon
zemotion: no stream from AGA today? 
zemotion: oh kk 
Panada: WHAT MAKES THE AGA STREAM DIFFERENT?
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Panada: oops
felipem: one hour later
Panada: sorry for the caps >_>
Traveller: No AGA stream for Match 3
Wigou: what's AGA ?
Traveller: AGA is focused more on those that know Go
Traveller: American Go Association
Wigou: ohhh ok
Traveller: AGA stream
AerialSnack: I don't know which I want to watch
Traveller: Just a different commentator
Manslay: just a professional comment
Traveller: This is less basic than yesterday
nordicFrench: Amerigan Go Asso
CarpentersKeys1: My move 36? short jump off kick?
CarpentersKeys1: Why*
CarpentersKeys1: Not my*
CarpentersKeys1: any thoughts?
CarpentersKeys1: q11
Papy: why are alphago stones bicolot
Papy: color
medani: hmmm
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0xReki: I'm so bad, I'm fine with Google's stream.
AerialSnack: Q10?
phil.bordelon: Redmond does professional commentary for NHK, AFAIK
Traveller: Correct
YSR43: O_O
Traveller: Redmond is Japanese 9d
AerialSnack: P10 seems like a good move?
YSR43: P10 seems weird :o
chauncey: Redmond is a great commentator
Traveller: Fits my understanding of play with a wall
semico: id prolly play P7 lol
phil.bordelon: Lee Sedol left the room after that move.
Chinitsu: this game is too peaceful
AerialSnack: Scared Lee, now he has to use the restroom
Traveller: Just time for a break
Chinitsu: I have absolutely zero knowledge about bloodless Go
AerialSnack: Maybe Lee has access to AlphaGo and is looking to see what it would play in this situation? xD
0xReki: I don't get why that move is so surprising.
Manslay: went out to laugh
Traveller: The first capture yesterday was quite late
phil.bordelon: Yeah, *very* late
omniumæ: Tge calm before the storm
Traveller: Checking to make sure Ke Jie isn't in the next room
Traveller: :-)
chauncey: a lot of fighting yesterday but no captures till very late
AerialSnack: Bahaha
Chinitsu: But really, the game is kind of unfair for Lee, isn't it
zemotion: lol
kollovv: "went out to laugh" probably
Traveller: Works for me
phil.bordelon: Unfair how?
AerialSnack: I've never seen this many people in a demo
AnneOgborn: far out
Chinitsu: AlphaGo has data about his game maybe from when he was a little kid, but Lee didn't know anything until yesterday
zemotion: pretty good numbers yesterday also 
Traveller: More than yesterday
Xtremis730: who do you think is ahead right now?
felipem: video without commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8Ppdntupg
Xtremis730: or is it too early to decide
nordicFrench: it's too early
nordicFrench: depends on fights
zemotion: if anyone want to watch ke jie's commentary in chinese http://sports.letv.com/match/122342003.html
AnneOgborn: the ear reddening move! =8cO
Traveller: Thanks for the link
chauncey: he is essentially one guy playing against a well funded team of geniuses and thousands of top notch computer processors
Traveller: Not really
omniumæ: Goods, did anyone see YouTube live comments?
Traveller: Time will tell
tankbard: Compared to the amount of data AlphaGo has, the games Lee Sedol has played in his life are insignificant
AerialSnack: I still think Lee should play the Nuclear Tesuji
tankbard: You can't train against a single game
tankbard: That would just lead to overfitting the training data
AerialSnack: No YSR42
AnneOgborn: lee's outta the room?
phil.bordelon: He's back.
chauncey: Nuclear Tesuji is the only real option humans have against AI
ClaytonSmith: Lee Sedol has more than the one game he played with AlphaGo to study
phil.bordelon: I find it interesting that when computers were constantly awful it didn't matter, but suddenly once AlphaGo won a game it's unfair :)
ClaytonSmith: He at least has the games Alpha played in October
phil.bordelon: It's *different*, to be sure
YSR43: well isn't alpago thinking like that based on move 37
AerialSnack: phil.bordelon that was because computers couldn't learn then
chauncey: if you made alpha go use the same amount of energy on the game as Lee Sedol uses, it would stand no chance 
Traveller: True
tekoyaki: they should let Lee Sedol eat in stream. some mukbang!
YSR43: more like ppl didn't put much resources on developing baduk machine since it's not really popular in west
chauncey: they should let Lee Sedol use several kilowatts of power imho
zemotion: i don't think fairness is really the point (even tho i hope lee can win)
nordicFrench: Q9 like a real kyu player
sqalox: isnt he allowed to eat some snacks ?
phil.bordelon: The point was never about fairness, though; it's about whether or not computation has gotten to the point that it can win.
phil.bordelon: I mean, computers have solved checkers
semico: i like Q10
Traveller: Yes he is
phil.bordelon: but that didn't make everyone stop playing checkers
tankbard: Wait people actually play checkers?
chauncey: the point is to show off state of the art AI.  seriously what DeepMind has done is amazing and deep learning is going to change our wolr in very strange ways
Traveller: Lots of reading
nordicFrench: what?
phil.bordelon: in the form of International Draughts, sure
jianyao.ca: Q10 is not bad. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 
nordicFrench: what move is straightforward exactly?
nordicFrench: and what do you play then?
Traveller: It can be explained by conventional theory
Traveller: It just isn't the normal manner of play
nordicFrench: yea, I also do that as a kyu level player
nnbosko: rip humanity
nnbosko: it's been a good run
ClaytonSmith: A good thing is that if computers become stronger than all humans at go, we'll have much stronger games to learn from.
Andrei44: i think E6 comes more urgent now
Derpi's Puzzles: If white just attaches, Black gets thickness on the outside
nordicFrench: why not tengen even
Chinitsu: AI solved checkers? Like strongly solved?
phil.bordelon: Yes.
semico: lmao tengen
apetresc: Chinitsu, yes, strongly solved.
phil.bordelon: years ago, actually.
Traveller: I look forward to the advances that can be made with humans and AI working together.
ClaytonSmith: I strongly solved tic-tac-toe
mgeorg: AlphaGo thinks there is more territory in the center than joseki's think there is.
semico: i think checkers has a small enough problem space that you can just enumerate the tree
Manslay: it's only 8x8 checkers that are solved
semico: so there's no ai involved really, just processor cycles
Manslay: 10x10 isn't
Traveller: Myungwan Kim uses "she" to refer to AlphaGo
Xtremis730: lol
phil.bordelon: I suspect 10x10 could be solved, but why bother
phil.bordelon: like, the database space isn't worth it to taunt the ID scene :P
zemotion: lol ke jie says 
ClaytonSmith: 5x5 go has been solved. ^_^
mgeorg: They decided to do that in the first analysis video.
semico: is he grabbing a stone or his cup
zemotion: lee sedol should just not play vs alphago, his IQ is too high and thinking too much
semico: edge of my seat
ClaytonSmith: Lee didn't use all his time last match.
chauncey: I bet he had a roung night after yesterdays game
chauncey: I can't even imagine what that was like for him
Chinitsu: time doesn't tell much
semico: so, team human or team robot?
tankbard: #TeamMeat
ClaytonSmith: I was commenting in response to Aerial suggesting he's doubting himself
ClaytonSmith: He may just be playing at a more relaxed tempo knowing he had half an hour to spare last time
phil.bordelon: I'm strongly team robot, but know I'm in the tiny minority :)
therealcans: let's go lee!!
Chinitsu: because you don't know how to play Go
Traveller: I'm looking for a good game
Traveller: Looks good so far
phil.bordelon: That's a bold assumption just because I've never used this site...
phil.bordelon: I'm not *good*, but I certainly know how to play.
tankbard: Fight! Fight! Fight!
ObieTwice: is this thing on?
tankbard: Nope
Traveller: Very much so
Traveller: Morning, Obie
AnneOgborn: yes. Lee Sedol's taking a long time responding to move 37
chauncey: team human for me.  next several decades will have enough wins for AI as it is already
TwistedAman: team robot easy
rosebud25: e11
AnneOgborn: I for one welcome  our robot overlords
Traveller: Too close to other stones for now
AerialSnack: What about e11?
TwistedAman: let's be real, even if Lee Sedol barely wins, it'll take like a month of alphago playing itself to be good enough to beat lee sedol
Chinitsu: I was hoping Lee would win because a sudden lead by AI won't lead to good records
trohde: I think I’m having a deja vu
rosebud25: kinda mirror
0xReki: what did thay say about 37?
Ancestor: For 37, 9p redmond stated that it was a new move that is not normally played
Ancestor: because the computer likes to emphasize the center
Ancestor: 37 was also made because it was a backup to blacks use of the floating stones at C6
Pempu: trohde: ot's bugged. 550 actually
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YSR43: is blue bigger than red?. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 Q10 P8 
nordicFrench: might even R8 or not?
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AerialSnack: The reason it's unfair, is because alpha go can simultaneously play games, and doesn't need to eat, sleep, work, rest, etc.
AerialSnack: YSR43, that's not necessarily true
AerialSnack: ^
AerialSnack: I'm not sure why he's taking so long with this particular move, sure, it's strange, but it seems kind of straightforward
AerialSnack: P10
AerialSnack: Q10
AerialSnack: Trying anything else would be a very risky trade
AerialSnack: lee seedol will have nightmares about 15-10
AerialSnack: Lee is doubting himself
AerialSnack: I want alphago to win, but only barely. THen I don't want it to improve at all
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Chinitsu: if AlphaGo stay closely around LSD's level we will have good games to learn from
nordicFrench: TwistedAman: what you re saying have nothing real at all
YSR43: O_O
AerialSnack: That's risky
chauncey: true, if AlphaGo wins, I doubt google will fund another match like this
Manslay: we'll have it in the next Android release
AerialSnack: ^^
AerialSnack: Bahaha
Traveller: Might need a release or two
phil.bordelon: Doubt it'd make it into N.  Just sayin'. :P
AerialSnack: holy, over 800 people
Fumbar: in here?
Traveller: Yep
Fumbar: mine says 680
AnneOgborn: funny, I see 542
ClaytonSmith: Nah, DeepMind will move on to solving Pokemon CCG
kollovv: 514 here
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AerialSnack: There are about 300 guests
acTane: 758
SpicyPenguin: 844
Traveller: 793 right now
anoek: bugged counter :( refresh and it's 364
AnneOgborn: and mine's updating - 
phil.bordelon: AGA stream's up.
anoek: i'll be looking at that .. first i've seen of it
Fumbar: as is mine, it's moving up
Nocturius02: is the AGA stream live yet?
AerialSnack: Oh, yeah, refreshed shows 366
AerialSnack: Yes Nocturius02, has been
Bronze: where is the link to the aga stream?
zemotion: ohh nice thanks! 
Fumbar: i don't think the aga link exists yet Bronze 
omniumæ: 'This is crazy' Hajin Lee
phil.bordelon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
zemotion: ah i see it 
Fumbar: thanks phil.bordelon 
Bronze: thanks phil
AerialSnack: Q8?
Papy: or is it me
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phil.bordelon: Welcome, although be forewarned, I don't know how to play Go, so that link might not work ;)
Nocturius02: Thank's phil.bordelon
Nocturius02: thanks
acTane: best stream live yay
AerialSnack: Black bottom left of centre is looking scary
AerialSnack: bottom right centre*
AerialSnack: I swear I know my lefts and rights >_>
phil.bordelon: It was a high-technical-difficulty stream yesterday; hopefully it'll be better behaved today
Acumen: Does Hajin Lee have a stream?
TwistedAman: thanks phil!
YSR43: wow tenuki
tankbard: Wait is Haylee streaming?
diatom: anyone know if Haylee has a stream or commentary anywhere?
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CylonBunny: I think bit
CylonBunny: Not
Acumen: "omniumæ [10k\]: 'This is crazy' Hajin Lee"
phil.bordelon: Also, if you would like to read the Nature paper on AlphaGo: http://www.scribd.com/doc/302719734/AlphaGo-Paper
mgeorg: AGA commentary started: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
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Chinitsu: Haylee stream? Where?
chauncey: "Really? You played that one?" Hajin Lee
farful: for korean baduktv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bATCEcRbBzE
AerialSnack: I'm feeling the E5
tankbard: Well now y'all are just taunting me ;_;
phil.bordelon: chauncey: in re AG or LSD?
chauncey: just a thing she says a lot
chauncey: like the other quote above
Tran: i feel like white was behind the whole time
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phil.bordelon: Ah.
AerialSnack: I feel like D6 gives less influence
phil.bordelon: Sorry, I am unfamiliar with the "scene"
chauncey: fair enough, since you don't know how to play go apparently ;)
phil.bordelon: Yup!
AerialSnack: Man, yunzi stones are so beautiful. Glad I got this goban set today, great to read the game on :D
Traveller: Hajin has a good series of videos
phil.bordelon: I feel a sudden need to find out how to get that magnetic standing goban
acTane: aerial you may want to test your stones for lead
Fumbar: yeah it's neat
AerialSnack: I don't care if they have lead acTane
Fumbar: you should AerialSnack it'll make you worse at Go
Bronze: so in game 1 they fought a lot over center territory and now they seem to be fighting near the edges
0xReki: why would thed have lead?
Bronze: any thoughts?
acTane: yunzi is known for lead
Acumen: Hajin Lee might join AGA chat in a bit they just said
phil.bordelon: Wasn't the center-ish fight yesterday mostly because of LSD's super-aggressive plays?
AerialSnack: Yeah, but the amount is very minute. I mean, I wouldn't let small children around it, but for adults it shouldn't be much of a problem
acTane: was just a heads up didn't mean to start a "foght"
acTane: "fight"
0xReki: You sure it's lead and not lead glass? Lead glass is close to unbreakable.
AerialSnack: Yeah, it's lead. But like I said, very small amounts.
AerialSnack: Because Yunzi was designed thousands of years ago
chauncey: not all of the stones have lead as far as I know
chauncey: only some do
AerialSnack: ^
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acTane: ^ right thats why I said test
0xReki: Okay I'll keep that in mind when I order my set
AerialSnack: F6?
HowToPlay?: no
YSR43: F5
AerialSnack: But F5 could be responded with E5
Traveller: AGA steam is discussing the earlier part of the game.
HowToPlay?: f6 =death... 
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YSR43: mhm
AerialSnack: Oh, didn't see that >_>
phil.bordelon: sigh, camera control not so great
wingly: whos ahead?
Chinitsu: the fight seems bad for white >.>
wingly: yeah
Tsumego: Black's ahead, Chini
wingly: seems alpha go is winning
AerialSnack: Hard to tell, depends on what happens in the center
wingly: I dont understand
wingly: why
AerialSnack: Actually, nevermind. Taking into account blacks top moyo
wingly: moyo on top
wingly: is very hard to actually invade
wingly: I dont know why lee invade from R 14
wingly: instead of O17
chauncey: seems like theres a few places to invade top
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YSR43: hmm. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 
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chauncey: lots of holes
Bronze: could invide on file L/M right?
wingly: yeah
Bronze: *invade
wingly: ooooh
AerialSnack: I want to say H5
wingly: now lee is ahead he succesfully destroy black bottom moyo
wingly: I guess
Traveller: Easier to follow the commentary when Kim uses "she" for AG
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AerialSnack: Black is still ahead by a few points I think
wingly: you cannot count point
wingly: at this stage
HowToPlay?: you can count some of them but not much 
Traveller: Most of Black area not set
Roybie: black has no real territory yet
HowToPlay?: example whites lower right blacks lower left
AerialSnack: I mean black is a bit ahead
wingly: too early I guess
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wingly: no lee sedol move is brilliant on bottom
AerialSnack: Think it will play something other than E6?
wingly: E6
HowToPlay?: if it does white connects easy
wingly: is not good move
HowToPlay?: letting white easily connect his groups is a bad idea
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HowToPlay?: e6 is a good move
wingly: lol
wingly: yeah
wingly: ur rite
wingly: I guess
wingly: ladder doesnt work indeed
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HowToPlay?: already did
HowToPlay?: so...
Traveller: Ladder doesn't work, does it?
Tsumego: Ladder works if white gets h6
AerialSnack: I think... white can kill those stones though
AerialSnack: Maybe not
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Chinitsu: the ladder doesn't work
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Roybie: it does work
Chinitsu: really? show me Roybie
Bronze: why did alphago play E7?
Roybie: redmond just played it out
Bronze: oh gotcha
Roybie: but sedol played different already
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AerialSnack: G5
acTane: LSD knows how to ladder
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YSR43: hmm. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 G7 
wingly: lee sedol is master boyomi i guess
wingly: havent update?
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flakeman2: that ladder is awesome
flakeman2: I hope lee sees it
flakeman2: redmond didn't see it
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wingly: woah
wingly: nice
Chinitsu: oooh that ladder
Chinitsu: thanks Tsumego
wingly: still cannot see that
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AerialSnack: Oh
AerialSnack: it sacrificed the stones
TwistedAman: lol
Traveller: That is true
HowToPlay?: the ladder is long gone 
AerialSnack: G5, then H6?
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bayview: f9
bayview: e9
jianyao.ca: b7. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 
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bayview: d9
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wingly: oh lee
wingly: is trolling I guess
HowToPlay?: how so?
wingly: he doesnt want to kill immedetealy but attacking and slowly build advantage
wingly: from alpha go attack
tekoyaki: Myungwan kim thinks Lee Sedol will win today. He's playing a very calm game
wingly: to nullify
Tsumego: Wingly, lee sedol's not ahead
wingly: middle influence
Bronze: but black has the better center position and the better position on top
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Bronze: right?
Traveller: Nice
phil.bordelon: Redmond so predictive. <3
Traveller: phil, you don't have folks near New Orleans, do you?
Manslay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bATCEcRbBzE korean stream
phil.bordelon: Well, yes, of course I do, with a last name like mine. :P
phil.bordelon: Grew up in Baton Rouge, ~1hr away.
Traveller: I grew up in Mandeville
dogen225: im in gonzales....
phil.bordelon: Hah.
phil.bordelon: I miss the food.  Don't miss the politics or the roads. :P
dogen225: thats wild
Traveller: River Parishes for the win!
dogen225: how bout summer humidity?
Traveller: La Place the last time down there.
phil.bordelon: yeah, fraggle that
phil.bordelon: The foothills of North Carolina have actual seasons.  It took me a while to get used to that.
Traveller: Michigan also has seasons
phil.bordelon: Also, "summer" humidity?
Bronze: look how much different the time is from yesterday
Traveller: Noticed that
Bronze: lee is playing much slower. I wonder if he worried about losing on time yesterday
Ancestor: the non-professional commenting is soooooo snoozeville -_-
dogen225: "winter" has been really nice this year
phil.bordelon: They were tight until the ~45min mark yesterday
Traveller: 20 minute advantage
Tsumego: How long are the byo-yomi periods and how many are there?
phil.bordelon: I think it's 3 60s?
Traveller: 3 60 seconds
Traveller: 3x60s
flexo37: Can some stronger players provide some comments?
Manslay: see AGA stream for comments
Traveller: They are still getting caught up
Manslay: no one here is stronger than Myungwan's 9p
Traveller: But, yeah, they are targeting a much higher level player
bmc: hello zach :P
chrono1122: HOW GOOD N12 LOOKS NOW
chris.dams.nl: With white I would be thinking about invading the top...
Ancestor: not right now though
Tsumego: White needs to defend the left side first
phil.bordelon: Is "p" here just the translation of "d"an?
Ancestor: no p means professional
Traveller: pro dan
Tsumego: p stands for Professional dan
dogen225: p usually means you get paid to play go
Traveller: as opposed to amateur dan
phil.bordelon: ahh, gotcha
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Traveller: 1p != 1d
Tsumego: 1p is about 7d
phil.bordelon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
phil.bordelon: flexo37: ^
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acTane: phil on top of the links
AnneOgborn: sadly the aga commentary is a llong way off the play
Traveller: About move 45 right now
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phil.bordelon: Yeah, I'm gonna watch that at 1.25x tomorrow evening
Ancestor: I also can't stand that asian guy commenting from AGA
acTane: thye're looking at the results of the ladderr earlier
Ancestor: and I am asian
phil.bordelon: as a friendly reminder, if you're regularly rebuffering, hit Options and tap yourself up to 1.25x so you can catch back up with "realtime"
phil.bordelon: it autokicks down to regular speed once you catch up
chrono1122: unlike the first game, this is more lee sedol´s style game
Chinitsu: oh LSD is taking a lot more time than AlphaGo today
Traveller: AGA just caught up
acTane: 37 it was to save C6 and D5 
acTane: according to AGA
Alkimos Senpai: d1. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 
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user_with_name: thanks for the tip.. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 
dogen225: thank you, im about minute and half behind
phil.bordelon: welcome.
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phil.bordelon: I watch a *lot* of YT videos at work at 1.25 and 1.5x :P
Hakro: Variant:  thanks
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Tsumego: L16 hurts
phil.bordelon: So, although I don't know how to play go :P, I'm actually pretty good at Hex, which also has ladders. I wonder if AlphaGo does a fairly high valuation on plays that also act as ladder escapes for potential future fights
phil.bordelon: yeah, that sure strengthens the top
AerialSnack: Yeah, think it's safe to say the top is blacks now
Tsumego: We got no clue how alphaGo prepares ladders, phil. The program's still way too new for us to tell
Traveller: top right still some aji
Tsumego: Top right doesn't have much aji
Roybie: top left still well open
bayview: r3
bayview: r17
phil.bordelon: Well, it's a NN.  It doesn't "prepare" things in the traditional sense of a rules-based analysis engine
phil.bordelon: I was speaking more abstractly. :)
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YSR43: if W wants to enter G17 could be possible
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phil.bordelon: like, it's possible that that ended up being a clump of tightly-associated neurons in the valuation network
Traveller: The move generator may have scored escapes higher
Traveller: MCTS then finds the ones that actually work
dogen225: is lee in danger of running out of time?
phil.bordelon: I wonder if the team has a coloring algorithm for triggers.
Traveller: One NN for valuation
Traveller: One NN for move generation
AerialSnack: J5? K7?
Traveller: MCTS for gluw
Traveller: glue
generalbaguette: Colouring algorithm?
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phil.bordelon: Yeah, like, with large NNs you can color which neurons trigger given types of moves
phil.bordelon: this is the rough equivalent of "your hypothalamus does this"
Tsumego: I'd feel like resigning right now as white
phil.bordelon: and these map (*very* roughly) to concepts
AerialSnack: Now white can start reducing the middle
Traveller: Self-organized NN
wingly: but its lee sedol here
Xtremis730: Is lee behind/
HowToPlay?: you're 14 moves behind wingly 
wingly: oh
wingly: i see
wingly: gotcha
wingly: now
wingly: i open on youtube as well XD
Tsumego: X, Lee is behind territory-wise
wingly: indeed
Xtremis730: Oh, I see :(
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Tsumego: It's not over yet
AerialSnack: Lee also doesn't really have influence
wingly: I will see what lee sedol will do 
AerialSnack: I think AG won this one
Tsumego: But it doesn't look easy for white now
AerialSnack: S16?
wingly: uphill battle
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chris.dams.nl: I agree, Black seems better.
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wingly: now lee sedol is kind of losing
wingly: But lee
wingly: probably 
vlin: Unless Lee can do something dramatic, he will lose.
wingly: could somehow kill
wingly: the left group
Tsumego: Myungwan Kim called it pretty even
Tsumego: (he's 9p)
sqalox: Gotta root for the human guys
chris.dams.nl: Sure! Go go go Lee!!!!
Xtremis730: oh dear anything lee can do to turn the game around?
Tsumego: I want to see Lee Sedol try a tengen game in this series
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Tsumego: The E6 group is weak and can be attacked
0xReki: Why can't I have OGS estimate the score?
Tsumego: *was weak and could have been attacked
phil.bordelon: As the head of the AGA pointed out in a video earlier today, with the first win last night, now it's just "when", not "how".
wingly: cpoz tis is review
Tsumego: Black trying to solidify everything because it knows it's ahead
ClaytonSmith: Does AlphaGo know that she is playing against Lee Sedol?
Traveller: There is a game, but I don't remember the number
Traveller: Estimate will work there.
Traveller: Not that I would trust it.
phil.bordelon: You mean, does the game know who its opponent is and tailor its moves to that?
basilisk_team: claytonsmith, it doesn't know anything like that, it just knows game state.
Roybie: AG will take 90% chance of 0.5 point win over a 80% chance of a 10 point win
phil.bordelon: the answer is, AFAIK, definitely not
phil.bordelon: it just plays
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wingly: I dont know how alpha go handle reckless play
Tsumego: Alpha go should have no problem with reckless play
wingly: I found if I play against bot, usually they back off if they are ahead
phil.bordelon: It is "delighted" because it increases its overall probabilities of winning.
phil.bordelon: wingly: because of what Roybie said
Traveller: Probably severely
vlin: Capturing let group is the only hope, but not easy...
Ancestor: apparently fan hui overplayed
Ancestor: and alphago handled him
phil.bordelon: AIs start making "suboptimal" plays that nevertheless guarantee their wins
Traveller: MCTS leads to that
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phil.bordelon: because aiming for 99% of a 0.5-stone win >>> aiming for 90% of a 5.5 stone win
Traveller: ^
phil.bordelon: AIs aren't proud
AerialSnack: Great move
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phil.bordelon: I look forward to the first proud AI that makes "bold" moves in an attempt to get higher scores.  It's an interesting "humanizing" direction to take development.
basilisk_team: you would just need to train what it was trained to do
AerialSnack: bamboo joint?
phil.bordelon: (also not hard, but it's something you'd do for casual play, not for competition)
Traveller: Pachi can play for margin, but its winrate goes down
basilisk_team: err change what it was trained to do
phil.bordelon: I don't think you need to change the training at all
Chinitsu: black's getting too good to me
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basilisk_team: sure you do
phil.bordelon: you just put its goal at +5.5 stones or whatever
phil.bordelon: and so it does its analysis with *that* as the goal for the percentage winrates
basilisk_team: i think that is an overly simplistic view
AerialSnack: That is true, but then it wont be able to play as safely against stronger opponents
bd_: tell alphago it has a different komi and I'm sure you can make it more/less aggressive. though you might need to retrain the evaluation NN
basilisk_team: you could do that, but it would not be optimal at it
omniumæ: This reminds me about the time I walked around in second life & asked 'how do you win this?'
basilisk_team: you would need to train it with that goal in mind
Tsumego: these exchanges are good for white
chu.lin.5458: d1. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 
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phil.bordelon: Well, yes, of course, retraining the RNN with that setting would be better, but that seems like a lot of work for a novelty that's meant to really just make it "interesting" rather than be competitive.
AerialSnack: Called the bamboo
Motylek: I am sorry, but how can be AlphaGo 9p? To get professional rank he has to pass insei exams and after that play some professional tournaments. Pro rank is NOT given "just like that" even if somebody plays at that strenght.
basilisk_team: I'm really curious if the deepmind team has a better estimate for what komi should be
Chinitsu: Tsumego which exchanges do you mean? It's double peep at bamboo join?
Tsumego: All the moves after G9
kitten1: woo!  c'mon john henry!
pagia: If black get sente to defend point A,I think the game is over. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 
AerialSnack: Yeah, because black is giving up a lot of influence
dogen225: i think 7.5 is too high
sz85512678: d1. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 
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pagia: If black get sente to defend point A,I think the game is over. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 
phil.bordelon: Yeah, that's actually a really interesting question.
Tsumego: Black will defend G17 by playing somthing newar L13
basilisk_team: i'd love to see some stats on its win rates by color
AerialSnack: Wait, is komi 7.5?
Tsumego: *near L13
phil.bordelon: Yeah, Aerial
wingly: yeah
Traveller: Yes
wingly: komi is awlay 7.6
Chinitsu: it's chinese rule, 6.5 komi is equal to 7.5
dogen225: fianlly
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vlin: Per stone efficiency, black is higher, 
wingly: coz first stone = 1 point rite there
kitten1: clearly white agreed, pagia
AerialSnack: H15?
Tsumego: Oh!
acTane: here we go
phil.bordelon: Here comes the fun (do doo do doo)
AerialSnack: Wait, wouldn't it be 7.5 equals 6.5?
wingly: yeah
basilisk_team: they just need to play a few million games at various komi and see what approaches a 50% win rate
kitten1: shoulder hit seems ineffective here... keeps white low, but the wall isn't very useful to black.
wingly: i try to explain that XD
chris.dams.nl: I think I would do E17 with Black and chase that stone a bit.
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Chinitsu: yes 6.5 = 7.5 also means 7.5 = 6.5 AerialSnack
Tsumego: I don't like D14
AerialSnack: Nottrue Chinitsu
0xReki: I think they said they go for chinese rules because it easier to allow the AI to commit suicide.
AerialSnack: It would then mean 6.5 = 5.5
phil.bordelon: My only concern with that, basilisk, is that because AG mostly plays against itself it could overfit and come up with a bad determination
HowToPlay?: d14 eyes c12
Panada: im usre now that we have alpha go we can test whether 7.5 or 6.5 is better since the ai is unbaised towards itself
Xtremis730: lol how much is alphago ahead by?
Xtremis730: 27.5?
wingly: current position
wingly: 15-16 point I guess
tsy: i missed the beginning
Xtremis730: I see
AerialSnack: 25 is a good estimate
basilisk_team: phil: that's still probably better than the information we have now
tsy: there was a shoulder hit that was surprising by black?
phil.bordelon: oh, sure
Fumbar: i think 25 sounds a bit high
wingly: depend on how the upper one turn out
AerialSnack: ^
AerialSnack: White honestly just doesn't have anything in my opinion
kitten1: I can't think of many pros who would continue to play if they read themselves 25 points behind.  XD
HowToPlay?: feels like you guys just make random statements imo 
Traveller: Doesn't that make more room in the center
Traveller: ?
basilisk_team: i'm sure they had to do some work to prevent its network from getting incestuous
wingly: well we're beginner
basilisk_team: probably playing against external sources occasionally, other engines with large handicaps, etc.
basilisk_team: playing against previous versions of itself
phil.bordelon: It's a RNN that does training; it definitionally plays against previous versions of itself ;)
phil.bordelon: but yes.
AerialSnack: That invasion seems kind of unprepared
vlin: White's chance
kitten1: an AI that can overcome pros would be a useful tool for strengthening the level of play and refining things like komi, but still a sad thing to see.
basilisk_team: unfortunately alphago is pretty expensive to keep running forever
phil.bordelon: presumably at this point playing against other computer AIs is basically worthless
basilisk_team: i do hope google doesn't shut it down promptly after winning
AerialSnack: ^
phil.bordelon: It won't.
phil.bordelon: Don't worry.
yuri: you know how much money those people have?
Baran: Korean analysts really talk a lot about move D14 by black and seem amazed by it
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chris.dams.nl: AlphaGo could be a player on this server!
Roybie: not at this strength though
AerialSnack: H16?
0xReki: Yeah, does anyone know how much CPU power AlphaGo currently uses?
basilisk_team: have they published stats on the hardware used for running the tournament network?
AerialSnack: Oh, the stream started lagging hardcore for me
Tsumego: H16 would be playing in white's hand I feel
basilisk_team: i know previous information was rougly 1200 cpus and 200 gpus or so
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Tsumego: If you cut and fight, that's what white wants
Traveller: Basically the same hardware as October
basilisk_team: unclear if that cpus figufe meant cores or not; assuming not
Traveller: Details in the paper published in January
basilisk_team: have they said they are running with the same amount of hardware?
Traveller: Yes
basilisk_team: ok
kitten1: if it's any consolation to the game of go, that's quite a bit more hardware than it took to beat chess.  XD
Traveller: I think the term was similar
Traveller: Lee Sedol took another walk
Traveller: And back
molto: I want to see an AlphaGo vs AlphaGo match!!!
dogen225: looks like that paper is behind a paywall
basilisk_team: on the other hand, chess used more custom hardware
phil.bordelon: I posted a non-paywall copy earlier.
basilisk_team: there are public copies of it from the deepmind site dogen, at least there used to e
dogen225: cool
phil.bordelon: http://www.scribd.com/doc/302719734/AlphaGo-Paper
Jaylan: hardware is getting older
dogen225: thanks phil
phil.bordelon: Welcome.
phil.bordelon: It's not just more hardware, it's *way* faster hardware thanks to Moore's Law
DarkForest: W D17 
phil.bordelon: 1997 vs. 2016 is, uh, barely comparable
Traveller: I think the numbers are cores
pagia: Even couldn't find a weak team for black.Lee can't do his good....
basilisk_team: phil i googled you.  SRE?  you missed a page from telebot.
phil.bordelon: Nah.  I don't go oncall until tomorrow :P
phil.bordelon: also, boo
phil.bordelon: I just set up my LinkedIn account yesterday after years of resistance
phil.bordelon: and already I'm Googleable, sigh
basilisk_team: actually it was your G+ page
phil.bordelon: oh.  Yeah, I guess that's been up a while :P
basilisk_team: good luck on your first oncall :)
phil.bordelon: Oh, that's just my first this quarter.  I've been oncall for three years.
phil.bordelon: but thanks :)
basilisk_team: ohh
basilisk_team: that makes more sense!
phil.bordelon: You gave me a flop-sweat moment there
phil.bordelon: "did I forget to turn it on"
basilisk_team: haha
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Tran: D14 was indirect corner protection?
Chinitsu: D14 looks like "you're dead" to me
Traveller: The hardware used is very modest by Google standards
zoigo: what is G15's meaning? sabaki?
arcv2: Moore's has slowed down due to some limiting factors rooted in the laws of physics 
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basilisk_team: the SRE relevant question is: are there N+2 AlphaGos?
AerialSnack: G15 gives eye space and extends to the centre
Traveller: Yep
phil.bordelon: basilisk_team: knowing what you know, what do you think?  You know I can't answer that.
basilisk_team: i would assume you'd have to!
phil.bordelon: (actually, pretty sure the DeepMind person mentioned it earlier in the broadcast)
Manslay: not sabaki but shinogi
Xtremis730: so what are your predictions on this game?
Xtremis730: Another loss for Lee?
Zal: I think AlphaGo got this
tankbard: He mentioned redundancy and that was it
Tran: I like lee's positions 
BlackTea: 725 ppl here!
Fumbar: mine says 1300!
HowToPlay?: refresh blacktea
tankbard: Mine says 1825
Fumbar: woop
Tran: white J14 or smth to make shape?
Fumbar: man this game has been excellent
AerialSnack: J14 seems right
SpicyPenguin: refresh and see what it says, mine says 500 ppl
Traveller: Counter has a bug
gor: feels like black is ahead
Traveller: more like 500
Tran: no, too slow 
kitten1: j14 too slow
gor: but r17 is big
bd_: @tankbard  AG has a master node and a bunch of compute nodes, they could probably deal with a loss of a compute node without much of a problem. Loss of the master might require a partial restart and maybe re-entering board state I suppose, unless they took the time to make sure that failed over smoothly
kitten1: dang, redundant.  XD
pagia: May be D12 is only choice?
phil.bordelon: of course it's a close game, Redmond, you were told why earlier :)
zoigo: Manslay: haven't heard of it yet, looked it up, shinogi seems less subtle than sabaki, more of direct response to threat
dogen225: redmond has W winning by a little
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tankbard: I'm only echoing the interviewer, not speculating myself :P
tankbard: For Reasons
basilisk_team: Reasons. yes.
tankbard: But I hear a properly engineered AlphaGo stone takes 6 moves to capture
bd_: tankbard, heh, I don't work for goog so I don't have those Reasons ;)
Tran: C14 opens some ajis in corner?
basilisk_team: spoiler: bd_ works for alphabet
tankbard: Herp derp
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phil.bordelon: speaking with my public-performance hat on, I think it'd be pretty derelict for the AlphaGo team to not have an "oh crap it all exploded" plan, because computers be' computin'
pagia: C14 make C12 weakness
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Traveller: DR/BCP is my specialty
basilisk_team: phil: well the cheap but less impressive solution is a contractual agreement for how outages are handled
basilisk_team: how many 9s do you need!
tankbard: All of them
Tran: exchange some weakness for aji's in corner to help G15? xD
Traveller: How much money do you have?
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phil.bordelon: We were a heavy IBM shop at LSU, and, man, they would support hardware no matter how ancient, they just kept bumping the contract price each year to cover the costs of keeping the ancient stuff around
phil.bordelon: (in re: 9s vs. money)
Traveller: I've played that game
Tran: I wonder if black wanted to get C15 in sente to go back and go full cap (around K14)
FelipeGlauber: d1. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 
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Traveller: Close Tran
pagia: D17 must go now
AerialSnack: J17?
vesko_baby: Yo is andrew streaming??
Tran: activate corner aji now?
bd_: andrew jackson and myungwan kim 9p are streaming on the AGA youtube channel yes
phil.bordelon: did they rotate the camera 180 degrees from last night to keep black on top?
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dundao: is black leading?
phil.bordelon: er, white
vesko_baby: they are a lot better than google ;D
tls: https://youtu.be/YZPKR7HzM_s
basilisk_team: i'm rooting for the computers so tget on their good side
tls: andrew jackson and myungwan kim 9p are streaming
Traveller: Lee Sedol is seated off the top as the camera is looking at the board
pagia: dundao:black leading so much,
phil.bordelon: right, and wasn't he seated off the bottom yesterday?
basilisk_team: vesko: ironically, andrew jackson is a google employee
Tran: @dundao I think black was leading the whole time, but now everything depends on the outcome of this invasion, maybe?
dundao: i see
Tran: im not good at counting points
basilisk_team: they should have invited him!
vesko_baby: Im writing an algorithm really closed to alphaGO learning for market exchange its pretty cool
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phil.bordelon: man, camera, please go back to the commentary
Zal: Yeah no big deal
phil.bordelon: there was a lot of discussion of stuff on the magna-goban that we didn't see.
Tran: lol, territory protected successfully? 
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Tran: or now we will see super duper aji exploitation?
ztse: how much is black ahead?
kitten1: white may actually clench this one
AerialSnack: Black has a good 10 points on white I think
AerialSnack: not including komi
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Tran: H17 D17 bad shape for black? 
wingly: depend
wingly: on middle battle
wingly: really
wingly: and bottom middle
wingly: is not really settled
wingly: K2
wingly: K3
phil.bordelon: -shakes fist- camera!
ztse: so.. why did white choose q11 over r10?
Traveller: Deepmind stream, phil?
Tran: but now there is a cut at E10 cuz black has bad shape in corner
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Tran: *around
phil.bordelon: Actually, I think I was accidentally looking at the no-commentary stream some of those times. -sheepish look-
wingly: very solid lee sedol
phil.bordelon: moved that away now.
wingly: I wonder when lee sedol play that D15
KeldenLin: oh is thiss live
phil.bordelon: Yup, Kelden.
Traveller: I'm on AGA on the 55" TV and this board in my lap
pagia: E17?Defend corner,end this game?
Tran: passive E17 and let white run?
Tran: I don't think white can connect in just 1 move
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Traveller: Called it
pagia: .....game over
vlin: Black wins
ztse: really?
Tran: is there something around S17?
Manslay: gote sequence
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Traveller: Center fight
Tran: exploit things around S17, then play a cutting move around M16 super duper combo xD
AerialSnack: I'm feeling the G11.
Roybie: or F17
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Tran: K13 destroy shape and cut off forever? 
Roybie: ha
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Tran: wow, very solid play from Lee
Tran: he knows he is ahead, so no need to go super agressive here
vlin: E17 declares safe path to win.
kitten1: c'mon meatbags!  *waves humanity flag*
pagia: F17 tenuki ....alphago think tha Lee can't kill F8 group
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phil.bordelon: Huh.
Traveller: OK
Tran: is R17 a valid invasion for white now? 
HowToPlay?: not right now
Chinitsu: cut first think later
ztse: is j11 like a attacking +connecting move?
gor: somehow it feels really one sided
Traveller: constrains the white group
basilisk_team: lost audio on the stream, anyone else?
basilisk_team: the official stream
apetresc: Audio's fine for me
phil.bordelon: no, still good here
phil.bordelon: reload?
basilisk_team: that worked
basilisk_team: hooray
phil.bordelon: so, having closed the notification that told me about how to get to this replay board, how would I find it normally on the site?
vlin: Black Q10 is really genius, that group shines all the way.
phil.bordelon: I had to ask someone in the general chat
Traveller: There is a list of games
AerialSnack: The only way I know is to go to HowToPlay?'s account and go to his demos
ninjagecko: open online-go.com in incognito/anonymous mode
HowToPlay?: phil.bordelon:  https://online-go.com/library
ztse: I still don't really get why white con't respond to q10 in the otehr direction?
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apetresc: The video doesn't have anything about the 3-3 invasion yet, where is OGS getting that from...?
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Tran: why smth like this can't happen?. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 R17 R16 S17 T16 P18 
Tran: @Chinitsu: oh, i see, but still large yose move
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Chinitsu: Well because.... From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 R17 Q17 
therealcans: yea haha
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phil.bordelon: Huh, yeah, I guess another incog window is probably the easiest/laziest way ;p
dneg: what is this ><
Chinitsu: you won't be able to return to this relay later
dneg: top is big
Tran: @ztse: too much influence for black maybe if he block other way?
AerialSnack: H9 seems slow?
basilisk_team: i thought incognito windows were for, uh, shopping for gifts
Chinitsu: it became a dead zone
ztse: h9  threatening to cut?
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kitten1: white wants to build in the center.  solid play
Tran: Sorry, that was me destroying the tree...
vpfli: redmond is even on point when counting the move
HowToPlay?: refresh your page apetresc 
pagia: H9 is compromise move
vpfli: "we passed 100, i think 104, something"
flexo37: black j5 wins
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0xReki: Yeah, I'm like omg, it is 104. 
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Tran: black still have invasion around M14, so white can't gain these bite of territory
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YSR43: hmm. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 
Traveller: Interesting
Tran: now the clamp at L6 is large endgame?
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pagia: I think the game is already finish.Just like a  performance match
Tran: yeah, they want to see how AlphaGo performs on yose?
igsNomad: The relay is faster than the video broadcast, theres a 35 seconds delay.
trohde: anybody noticed that we have almost 1.300 viewers here?
phil.bordelon: igsNomad: you're probably just behind.  Click the Settings gear and set it to 1.25x or 1.5x to catch up
Traveller: There is a real delay in the feed
Traveller: Even when caught up
phil.bordelon: Sure, there is delay, but OGS and the stream seem to be pretty in sync on my side
trohde: Oh :-| thx Pempu
Tran: sh*t i'm already late to university...
Tran: but... but... i want to watch :(((((
AerialSnack: I'm about to pass out
AerialSnack: I'm gonna get like, a 50% grade on a project due to this... I feel bad for my partner >_>
ztse: I need to do homework...
AerialSnack: ^
Tran: basically R9 and R17 are miai endgame for white? 
phil.bordelon: I sort of miss the days of homework
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YSR43: Die terminator im getting sleepy. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 E10 F10 F9 E8 G8 G7 K7 J8 L8 K9 L9 
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Fumbar: homework can be better than work 
phil.bordelon: pays less though
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Tran: okay, L6 deny the clamp at L6 and maybe even forcing to connect... valid, valid
AerialSnack: Alright, LSD will resign in 15-20 moves. So I'm sure I'm fine with going to sleep
Tsumego: That's not what the 9p pro says on the AGA stream
Traveller: Not sure about that
phil.bordelon: I'm just resigned to be sleepy AF at work for the rest of the week, sigh
Tsumego: Lee Sedol still has good chance
Tran: about 60 points for black on top, plus around 20 on bottom? 
Traveller: Good sleep tomorrow night
phil.bordelon: haha, that was a great placement by Redmond
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phil.bordelon: same time and all
AerialSnack: I'd say 45 points on top, 15ish on bottom
tankbard: Well the next game's Friday night
phil.bordelon: oh, is tomorrow night the gap night?
phil.bordelon: yay!
tankbard: So you don't actually have to worry for tomorrow
Tran: yeah, there's still a large endgame move for white in corner
Tsumego: 45 points on top is pretty pessimistic
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Tran: is M5 a yose mistake? seems small to me and not even sente
AerialSnack: Yeah, it seem unimportant compared to other potential moves
AerialSnack: Black can ignore it,?
Tsumego: Nah
Tsumego: There's more to it than M4
maxime6: m3
AerialSnack: Right, because white can still reduce
Tran: oh ok, shame i didn't see it xD 
phil.bordelon: this is such a wildly different board position than 100ish last night
Tsumego: Hey Maxime, t'es-tu avec Jean-Seb, Rémi pis les autres pour regarder la game?
maxime6: non
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Tsumego: :(
maxime6: je suis à quebec
maxime6: on se connait ?
gor: wow
Tran: M11 "you're not connected, sir!" xD
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Tsumego: J'allais au club y'a longtemps (UdeM). Mais j'étais seulement genre 1d donc on a jamais vraiment joué
Pempu: Can you use english in this chat please.
Tsumego: Oh sorry Pempu
basilisk_team: pagia: clearly alphago knew this was going to happen which is why the play at Q10 early ;)
vlin: With M11, AlphaGo really plays like 9P.
acTane: ^
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pagia: white is in danger. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 N11 N10 N9 
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acTane: its scary that is so strong
pagia: basilisk_team: I think so :)
phil.bordelon: I wasn't joking when I said that I wouldn't be surprised if the NN values early stuff like Q10 because of the escapes and influence it provides much later
Tsumego: Myungwan Kim: "White will lose the game"
gor: m11 looks like a human creative move
CarlPatenaudePoulin: sup guys ça boume
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vlin: It's time for Lee to show some muscles, or the game will be over soon.
AerialSnack: Told you guys, 5-10 moves until Lee resigns
Tran: WAIT A MINUTE, Lee was white this while time?
AnneOgborn: fewer closeups of Lee this time
phil.bordelon: yup.
CarlPatenaudePoulin: rest in pieces
acTane: yep
Tran: Omg, i was thinking that "oh, black is winning, glad for mr. Lee"
phil.bordelon: <sad-trombone />
Tran: T___T 
AerialSnack: Lee would not have played O10
Tran: so sad...
CarlPatenaudePoulin: not a single ladder this game?
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Traveller: Small amount lower left early
acTane: its so close
acTane: aga stream
bd_: speaking of ladders, I found it interesting that ladder breakers were one of the few hard-coded features that are inputs to the NNs
CarlPatenaudePoulin: RIP humans, we've had a nice run
AnneOgborn: we have a good long run yet
maxime6: closed area lee sedol in trouble
Equilibr: Lee is preparing to cut and ko to E8, but N10 destroy this plan
phil.bordelon: ugh rebuffers
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Tran: want to cry now, thought that Lee was black this whole game... 
zemotion: lol T_T 
wingly: lee lose this game
tankbard: :|
kitten1: lee was black last game, though
flexo37: j5 win
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acTane: and will again be black next agam,e
acTane: game
phil.bordelon: I don't know enough about professional tournament games, but: is Lee's time low for still not being in endgame?
cdybeijing: Chinese pros seem to think that Lee has been winning all game
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kanzenryu: Still no video of Lee...
phil.bordelon: kanzenryu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8Ppdntupg
phil.bordelon: That's a separate stream with nothing but goban + peoplecam
kanzenryu: He doesn't look happy
phil.bordelon: that's for sure
phil.bordelon: srs bzns face
Tran: @cdybeijing: oh, why is that?
Tsumego: phil, lee Seedol isn't short on time. He can't waste too much but it's not a problem
gor: i wish we could see the face of his 5d opponent
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gor: he knows whats going on as well
jeslp: whats the estimated point count so far
phil.bordelon: thanks for the context, Tsumego
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AnneOgborn: like how the surrogate is calm - 
phil.bordelon: gor: he's stonefaced 100% of the time I've seen
phil.bordelon: like, for reals
wingly: WOWOWOWOWOWOWWWWW
gor: lol
HongTatsanaviriyaporn: who is winning guys?
phil.bordelon: the closest emotion was back in G1 when he dropped the stone hard when AlphaGo finally went into the top-left
wingly: now lee sedol has chance to win
Tran: now R17 and J3 are miai yose? 
pagia: M12 kill white dragon?
gor: maybe k12 is better?
vesko_baby: u cant kill it 
vesko_baby: because of cut at E10
Tran: oh, white also have R9 to play
0xReki: I feel liek you're talking a different language.
vesko_baby: and then liberties shortage at D15
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pagia: Or alphago think that white dragon is dead ?
Tran: @pagia: lolololol xD
gor: so when do we see ke jie vs alphago
0xReki: What's a dragon?
flexo37: I15 on the TV board, J5 on this one
acTane: reki a large group of stones
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0xReki: thx
Tsumego: Lee Sedol winning?
phil.bordelon: That's what Redmond thinks.
basilisk_team: I wonder, contractually speaking, how many times he needs to say they are at the Four Seasons
apetresc: If G12 can be settled, then I think so, yes
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pagia: No,still alphago winning 
CarlPatenaudePoulin: Se-dol looks like he's on the verge of a panic attack
nordicFrench: G13?
Tsumego: I prefer F12 to G13
gor: f12 still gote
qwe: i think that might be a big move by black
Fumbar: redmond says g13 is probably best
gamesorry: Ke Jie thinks black is winning
CarlPatenaudePoulin: Ke Jie has been continuously over-optimistic about Se-dol's chances
CarlPatenaudePoulin: so lol
phil.bordelon: So if e thinks black is winning...
Tsumego: Mr Kim says white is winning
kitten1: it's interesting how divided the pros are about it
wingly: mr kim
phil.bordelon: LSD looks unhappy++
gor: is there a byo yomi after the main time is over?
phil.bordelon: yup
bd_: yes they have byoyomi
phil.bordelon: 3x60s
Tsumego: 3x60sec as far as I know
gor: nice
CarlPatenaudePoulin: 3x60s = 3 turns of overtime, 60s each?
phil.bordelon: Yes.
Traveller: Yep
CarlPatenaudePoulin: LSD has been sitting on that move for like five minutes now
basilisk_team: if you use less than 60 seconds, you don't use up one of the 3
basilisk_team: if you use more than 60 seconds for a turn, then you start on the second one and only have two remaining
YSR43: 2.8k ppl still in the room :O
phil.bordelon: The number's bogus, YSR43.
phil.bordelon: It just goes up.
YSR43: o
acTane: I see 713
Traveller: 570 current real
Pempu: Refreshing resets it
CarlPatenaudePoulin: I see 946
Traveller: There is a bug
phil.bordelon: Bugs?  In my software?  It's more likely than you think.  Click here to learn more.
Traveller: It counts up, but doesn't reliably count down
Manslay: i see 3000 :D
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tankbard: timesuji?
AnneOgborn: I see 1634
chrono1122: wooo
gor: 0o
Traveller: R17!
phil.bordelon: Redmond's been dreaming of this play for like 2 hours now
CarlPatenaudePoulin: that was unexpected
DavidNakamura: lol
chrono1122: the battle for middle earth has begun! xD
basilisk_team: phil: haha yes
phil.bordelon: he must have put a stone on that point like six times in variations so far
phil.bordelon: if not more
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Equilibr: Lee is very nervous. May be he decided resign
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gor: way too early to even think about that
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phil.bordelon: "for a while"... no joke, Redmond
basilisk_team: i may have to go o bed before this is over :(
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Tran: R9?
qwe: no. i think it IS pretty much over now.
CarlPatenaudePoulin: kanzenryu: don't think so
CarlPatenaudePoulin: I wish the % confidence showed up on the stream
CarlPatenaudePoulin: it'd be crazy
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kanzenryu: Will AlphaGo resign if the position gets too bad?
acTane: no one knows
bd_: the paper says AG resigns if it thinks the win probability is under 10%
Tsumego: They said that AG would resign
chrono1122: maybe it gets frozen xDD
Panada: i think itll keep on playing untill human error occurs
0xReki: alpha Go is programmed to resign on less then 10% propo
Panada: i mean it goes by probability right
acTane: cool thanks
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kanzenryu: 10% seems worth continuing to play
bd_: and in fact it resigned in two of the informal games vs Fan Hui
phil.bordelon: I would *love* a poker-style "percent confidence" window
brandonknodel: this is tense guys. Do we think Lee Sedol is ahead here?
AnneOgborn: they should feed the confidence measures into a Fischer face
wingly: lee is slightly behind now
qwe: At least Lee knows he is versing a worthy advesery
phil.bordelon: Bonus points for using Bobby Fischer as the source image? :P
0xReki: Well alphaGo doesn't show those strange quirks like IBM's Watson for Jeopardy
wingly: wat about a year later XD
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Traveller: When to resign is set based on likelihood of reversal
AnneOgborn: game 3 alphago will refuse to play because she doesn't like the AC power provided
phil.bordelon: I think Watson is way more rules-y
AnneOgborn: or there's too much noise in the server room
basilisk_team: watson was also heavily hand-curated
Traveller: My AI resigns under 20%
Traveller: But at that point there is not much chance that a win will magically appear
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phil.bordelon: That feels like a "hey you, 3min left, here's a crazy move" move, but I know AlphaGo doesn't know that :P
0xReki: Seems like “interesting” means “holy f… I never seen that move”
AnneOgborn: why wouldn't alphago know that Lee's running out of time?
phil.bordelon: Yeah, I think Redmond is a pretty understate-y fellow
phil.bordelon: It may know, but I don't think it would use it in the valuation function.  Maybe so, though?
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apocalypse_shu: I was thinking about that H11 move a while ago...
bencoder: it's possible alphago was trained on the times so the types of moves it plays can change
Roybie: somebody just told them that it doesn't care about opponents time
Roybie: on the stream
bd_: AG is aware of its own time, in that there's an auxiliary heuristic that eventually cuts off the search and picks the final move.
Tran: black is ~70 points now?
bd_: but the paper doesn't discuss any time inputs at all to the NNs
basilisk_team: yeah trying to force an opponent that is low on time would be a big complication to the NN
bencoder: ok
bd_: so it's not likely to use timesujis for any purposes, not even to give itself more time
basilisk_team: also means you're playing suboptimal moves potentially just to confuse your opponent.  how do you quantify how much your opponent is confused?
basilisk_team: much more straightforward to just play the best moves possible
phil.bordelon: Yeah.  That's the sort of thing computers still are terrible at, because it's basically impossible to quantify in a way to make it a reliable weight
bd_: can't use self-play to train timesujis either since AG and Lee Seedol will have different kinds of situations where they need that time
bencoder: nn doesn't need to quantify. I just figured time of both players being inputs to the network
renpytom: It probably can allocate more time to thinking about its own moves, knowing that it will have an advantage still.
bd_: which is the real problem
basilisk_team: renpytom that i do agree with
basilisk_team: if they don't do that, i'm not sure why they don't
bd_: you explode the size of the space of inputs that have to be learned, while simultaneously reducing the size of the training set. Not going to work well.
bencoder: true
0xReki: it might be possible it learned sth. similar to that while playing real players. Evaluating the parameters for evolutonary stuff this time consuming.
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phil.bordelon: The fascinating thing about NNs is that they just "do stuff" with inputs
Tran: so black has about 70 points now, where does white's territory come from?
Bronze: what happens if you time out?
phil.bordelon: that may not feel obvious or relevant to us and are sometimes just weird overfits, but sometimes are hidden connections
basilisk_team: but there is not a large enough sample set to work with for "how do humans react with N minutes remaining"
basilisk_team: mostly it has trained against historical games and against itself
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Bronze: how the react with n minutes remaining
Bronze: is completely irrelevant
basilisk_team: i tend to agree
basilisk_team: better off to optimize other parts of the system than time management
Tran: ouch
0xReki: yeah but it can react to how ppl play starting with the 100th move there's no time directly involved
Tran: that cut hurts
Bronze: no there will be a search time
Bronze: that calculates potential improvemtn for the move vs the cost in time
bd_: the problem is figuring out how to score that
Bronze: when further searching through the network is reaching diminishing returns the search will end
bd_: how do you know that A19 isn't a timesuji?
phil.bordelon: Redmond got a little snippy there :P
Bronze: you score it the same way you measure board moves
Tran: Can someone give me a count for this game?
Traveller: The number of searches can be adjusted based on current time left and current search cost
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Bronze: ^ exactly traveler. its calculating expected value of further searching
bd_: oh, I see what you mean
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Tran: The depth of MCTS varies depending on time limit
Baran: @@ who is winning Redmond says white ahead by over 10 points and Myung says black is ahead after lee misplay in upper right corner
Traveller: Depth or trials
bd_: the paper mentioned that AG normally plays the move it evaluated the most number of times, and will extend its search time if that's not the same as the move with the highest estimated win probability
phil.bordelon: dat time difference
gor: what upper right misplay
Tran: Lee already under byo-yomi?
0xReki: My guess is it evaluates the a smaller amount of “best” branches and some additional random “not best” branches to increase efficiency
Baran: he said white R17 was not better than simply playing G13
Baran: if I understood right that is
pperez333: any idea what time management strategy may Alphago use?
Traveller: Kim thought the center was bigger than the corner
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Baran: ye
Tran: Yes, the center loss was just "ouch"
bd_: pperez333, from the paper: "The match version of AlphaGo continues searching during the opponent’s move. It extends the search if the action maximizing visit count and the action maximizing action value disagree. Time controls were otherwise shaped to use most time in the middle-game."
phil.bordelon: aw, they killed the unlisted stream
apetresc: Yeah I was wondering about that :(
Tran: The corner endgame existed for the long time, but the center loss made the invasion at G17 pointless
Baran: oh god if that KO will happen
pagia: misplay because alphago think he is sure win.The target of Monte Carlo algorithm is to win the game,not play a perfect game.
pperez333: thanks!
Traveller: My answer is to be aware of my cycle time and to ensure that I throttle based on estimated moves remaining
renpytom: Can someone explain to a newbie how overtime rules work?
0xReki: @pperez limiting the bread search part (reading) is usually a way to save time.
Traveller: In byo-yomi, I use 90% of the time.
phil.bordelon: oh hey it's back
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bd_: renpytom: They'll have 3 periods of 60 seconds (or something like that). If they play a move within 60 seconds, it resets to the full 60s, if they go over it consumes a period and resets to 60s
bd_: when all periods are consumed, loss by time
Baran: pagja but youre ignoring that AlphaGO certainly isnt a bot who only is using Monte Carlo, I disagree with him always saying that it might think its ahead so it plays slack
basilisk_team: the issue is the definition of slack
phil.bordelon: Yeah, renpytom.  You have to use the entire block to lose it
basilisk_team: it's not playing slack
AnneOgborn: if they run out of periods they lose
Traveller: It is using a value NN to score the trials in MCTS
basilisk_team: it's reducing its chance of losing, not increasing its score
phil.bordelon: so if you take 55s each play you can play "forever"
bd_: so lee must play each move in less than 60s, but can extend time by 60s twice
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Traveller: The MCTS yields a tendency to play for win likelihood
BenZen: Get out of the way Garlock :D
basilisk_team: humans tend to associate the two, but they are not the same thing
renpytom: Thanks.
basilisk_team: and as you can brute force a larger perecntage of the remaining game, they get farther apart
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phil.bordelon: yup.  what looks to humans like slack, crap play is simply boosting the probability that *no matter what* the AI wins
Tran: black J12 dual purpose
Tran: ... or not, hmm
qwe: oh wow. one of them has made a r3eading mistake. this is another huge threat
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Bronze: i think alpha go is going to win
chrono1122: wooooooooooo
Tran: WOOOOO
Tran: but no, lee is short on liberties :(
qwe: wow. nicely done, Lee
chrono1122: no he is not
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chrono1122: now lee is ahead
Baran: Korean stream says O14 looks very good
pagia: No.Black still lead 8.5 point I think.
phil.bordelon: and there goes one segment
phil.bordelon: ouch
Ancestor: omg that commentator who doesnt know how to play GO annoys me so much
Tran: oh, yeah, G10 not filled
Traveller: Garlock?
Baran: Ancestor watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s sadly the third game they might not do
0xReki: panic.. he's swinging...
Tran: time for R9?
tankbard: Garlock's like SDK, isn't he?
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tankbard: Maybe low dan?
Roybie: isn't he dan?
tankbard: I've forgotten
CarlPatenaudePoulin: Garlock is 3d I think
HowToPlay?: i think first day he said he was 3dan
tankbard: But he's clearly playing the fool for the benefit of the newer audience
Tran: omg is Lee aiming for using G15 ajis?
bencoder: whichever, he's playing the part of a newbie
basilisk_team: i think garlock is also asking questions that he imagines the audience will have
Traveller: He is AGA 3d
phil.bordelon: Yeah, I suspect it's at least partly an audience surrogate thing
DavidNakamura: yeah
pagia: H11 is Really bad,but black is still ahead
Traveller: Yep
phil.bordelon: dat facewipe
phil.bordelon: poor LSD
Ancestor: its not really playing the fool that annoys me but
Ancestor: he talks like he already knows the game very well
AnneOgborn: wow, Lee's stressed
HowToPlay?: Well hes a 3 dan so he does
Ancestor: and hes like... "This game is so exciting" with the most monotone voice
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phil.bordelon: how can he *not* be stressed... fighting in overtime
DavidNakamura: He probably knows it better than you...?
Bronze: GJ korean stream you were right
0xReki: Everwatch bad overvoice for series? That's monotone.
CarlPatenaudePoulin: ohshit
CarpentersKeys1: Was just thinking, if we have alpha Go play itself then won't we be able to adjust komi to be perfect?
CarlPatenaudePoulin: 1 strike left
phil.bordelon: another one bites the dust
Tran: how much byo-yomi periods left for Lee?
phil.bordelon: 1
DavidNakamura: I think he's trying to tone it down anyway - yesterday he was getting really excited and Redmond was completely blank about it
0xReki: 1
CarpentersKeys1: Or confirm it's accurate.
Traveller: Last one
phil.bordelon: Redmond is super calm
DavidNakamura: now he's relaxed and Redmond is more open to joking around
bd_: lee's in his last byoyomi
bd_: SD 60s
bd_: meanwhile AG has 15 minutes of main time remaining
phil.bordelon: zoinks
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Tran: Large endgame
Tran: but gote :(
CarlPatenaudePoulin: was that at random or what
phil.bordelon: no way it was random
DavidNakamura: Redmond said it was what he expected him to do
phil.bordelon: it was just the decision he came to at the end
bd_: he played S9 with 2 seconds remaining
Baran: RIP Lee Sedol :/
Bronze: i think the time is too rough
pagia: M12
CarlPatenaudePoulin: that's an insane endgame, so much left unresolved
apetresc: Back at move 183, why did white choose S9 over R10?
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Baran: Time certainly isnt too rough, some tournament games have far less time in korea and china so Lee Sedol is used to far tighter time rules
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tekoyaki: chris explained the same things way too many times
Tsumego: Sure Lee Sedol's used to tighter time rules, but it's the first time he plays against such an opponent I think
Tsumego: Ok, second time, but yeah
brandonknodel: stream lag?
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Tran: R9 made the game more even? 
Traveller: There doesn't appear to be a countdown
Traveller: IS this normal?
phil.bordelon: Oh, you mean a verbal one?
Traveller: Or am I missing something?
phil.bordelon: There's definitely a graphical one
phil.bordelon: dots underneath LSD's time
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phil.bordelon: he's on his last segment
phil.bordelon: there used to be 3
Traveller: I know that, but the clock is to the side
Traveller: No audible signal
phil.bordelon: yeah, gotcha
0xReki: oo
YSR43: damn gg
bd_: maybe it's just not being picked up by the microphones?
phil.bordelon: 1sec
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CarlPatenaudePoulin: OOOOOOO
phil.bordelon: zoinks
Traveller: Could be
cdybeijing: could be what?
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YSR43: d1. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 
LaurentGo: the guy on the right is indeed... annoying :-) nodding when it seems he doesn't understand - I missed the intro - is he supposed to be a go player ?
Traveller: Sound not on mic
LaurentGo: left sorry not right
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CarlPatenaudePoulin: also LSD's body language is really interesting
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CarlPatenaudePoulin: here's a feed with only LSD and the board: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8Ppdntupg
phil.bordelon: that's a new goban view
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0xReki: Yeah, he's like when me trying to concentrate harder. 
0xReki: If he were allowed he'd be running an circles
phil.bordelon: 80 points...
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Tothinator: AlphaGo for President 2016 D':
Tran: l11 also a mistake by alphago?
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DavidNakamura: he just pukes on the board
DavidNakamura: lol
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tekoyaki: if Lee Sedol played so well and still loses, this can go 5-0 :(
CarlPatenaudePoulin: I mean at this point machines are just better than humans in every way
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YSR43: LOL WTF alpago huge mistake
Baran: Weakness of AlphaGO KO's ??? 
Tsumego: What's going on???
acTane: we back in it 
LaurentGo: i can't believe how much progress computer go made in the last year
acTane: go humanity
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Bronze: why is that a huge mistake?
CarlPatenaudePoulin: You guys are all forgetting that AG plays weak stuff when it thinks it's got it bagged...
Baran: holy shit
Baran: RIP AlphaGO
pagia: After H11 alphago  make mistakes all the time
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LaurentGo: I hope humans find a flow faster than the computer learn the human's mistake - maybe he should play unexpected moves
Roybie: AG was winning by too much, so she's trying to bring it back to 0.5 :D
Roybie: don't want to embarrass the human
LaurentGo: flaw
acTane: lol
bd_: AG doesn't care about the score, only the win %
phil.bordelon: that face that LSD just made
kitten1: there can be no denying that this program is on par with high level pros, but this was a little wonky
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phil.bordelon: oh man
Baran: I don't think so if thats true Lee Sedol will cry tonight
alexmba123@hotmail.com: alfha  go  perdio. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 
AnneOgborn: wow
alexmba123@hotmail.com: alfha  go  perdio. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 
Zal: who did
Zal: like AlphaGo is gonna look sad
Zal: haha
Tran: man, i just left for few minutes, and now R16 is dead
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Baran: Hopefully Lee Sedol doesnt time out
phil.bordelon: and AG's controller is Stoneface Jackson
Tsumego: Well, AG is the first go AI able to play at grandmaster level. AG is also the first cocky go AI
0xReki: Maybe Simpsons's Paradox might be AlphaGo weakness.
alexmba123@hotmail.com: alfha  go  perdio. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 
Baran: Myung just said white won
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kanzenryu: Surely a win for AlphaGo in these sorts of circumstances
Roybie: redmond thinks black win
pagia: Black sill leads 5.5 point
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Baran: AlphaGO RIP ahahaha afraid of KO
acTane: ko is terrifying
phil.bordelon: Yes, *of course* Black is playing nice endgame moves, the play space is like 10x smaller now
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0xReki: Say, how many points are captures worth in chinese counting?
CarlPatenaudePoulin: Would Ko be particularly hard to learn for a machine?
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Zal: No
Zal: I would assume its relatively simple
basilisk_team: i don't think there's any reason to think that move was actually suboptimal
acTane: reki 0
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Zal: AlphaGo has an advantage in these types of things
phil.bordelon: I was going to say, pretty sure in Chinese counting captures are zero
Tsumego: Hard? Yes. But compared to playing go...
acTane: points are komi plus stones on board plus territory
pagia: May be ko for ai means uncertain.
phil.bordelon: because stones on board count
Traveller: Stones on the board and territory are what is scored under Chinese rules
bd_: ko doesn't even need special handling really. it just needs to read out the entire ko variation until it wins or loses the ko
Traveller: Plus komi
DavidNakamura: I love watching Redmond place and pull the stones of the board hahah
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phil.bordelon: he has a really smooth place-and-remove technique
phil.bordelon: the side-slide
LaurentGo: guys on the right is good :-)
DavidNakamura: he's like a magician
Baran: ok maybe not afraid of KO maybe it wanted sente, I mean in Fan Hui game it played a KO right ?
Traveller: Redmond 9d pro
phil.bordelon: so glad I stayed up for this
phil.bordelon: it is tense AF
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Tsumego: apetresc, will post why won't be too long
acTane: right
CarlPatenaudePoulin: 1sec
Baran: yea 9dan pro but analysis a bit slack, he also lacks digital board so I prefer Myungwan Kim analysis
gor: r9 r8 
Bronze: yeah fuck being good at my job tomorrow
Bronze: this is history
0xReki: I don't have anyone near my place who could actually teach me go.
DavidNakamura: I don't even really know what's going on but I'm completely engaged
phil.bordelon: haha
basilisk_team: you can learn online 0xreki
phil.bordelon: Redmond bringing the snark
DavidNakamura: lol
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tekoyaki: redmond's getting annoyed by garlock, lol
basilisk_team: yeah he's bene short with him a few times
Traveller: Again
basilisk_team: 4 hours is a lot of talking
DavidNakamura: he definitely was yesterday
Traveller: He was annoyed last night was well
Baran: Oh wow... Myungwan Kim counted and said black is still leading by 2.5 points
DavidNakamura: he didn't get his jokes
phil.bordelon: it's much more obvious tonight
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LaurentGo: speaking of which why is "estimate score" missing on this game view (here) ?
Traveller: Demo board
kanzenryu: Garlock actually shut up for a while
Baran: Myungwan Kim was so excited about the top he forgot to count sente-gote difference and so it wasnt as big as he first thought ;_;
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Tsumego: David, considering that AlphaGo played over a trillion games vs himself, I'd be very surprised if it crashed like that
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phil.bordelon: "now black's more like 90"
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tekoyaki: korean host commentator should replace garland: http://i.imgur.com/mzcYAEe.jpg ;)
phil.bordelon: did they flip the middle-finger switch?
Baran: WOW Myung Kim 9D just took a long time to count and said black ahead by more than 10 points ??? 
acTane: before komi
Traveller: before komi
basilisk_team: that Q10 is workin'
Baran: before komi ok
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BenZen: Score estimator telling that B+1,5
ninjagecko: BenZen: the score estimator means nothing
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Traveller: That is close to what Kim says
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Traveller: He keeps say it is over, then something changes
0xReki: oh αGo main Time is almost up.
Baran: So I guess we are in same club as chess now
DavidNakamura: what if AGO just freezes when the time runs out
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tekoyaki: we learn from the computers now
phil.bordelon: those 1-2sec left plays
basilisk_team: all the other perfect information games
phil.bordelon: so crazy
BenZen: B+4,5
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Baran: 9-10 actually after Komi ? Apparently
CarlPatenaudePoulin: Tsumego: edge cases though
CarlPatenaudePoulin: is the score estimator built into online-go or what?
Zal: Yes
Traveller: AlphaGo byo-yomi coming
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CarlPatenaudePoulin: where can I check the score estimator?
Zal: Sadly you cannot do that for reviews
Zal: But you can in your own games
Traveller: But it is not reliable
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phil.bordelon: aaaand we're in everyone's overtime
flexo37: ALPHAGO GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME
flexo37: BECAUSE OF HUMAN ERROR
0xReki: you can fork the review to turn ti to a game.
Zal: Yes 
alexmba123@hotmail.com: m 18. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 
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alexmba123@hotmail.com: m 18. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 
alexmba123@hotmail.com: m 18. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 
alexmba123@hotmail.com: m 18. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 
alexmba123@hotmail.com: m 18. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 
alexmba123@hotmail.com: m 18. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 
alexmba123@hotmail.com: m 18. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 
alexmba123@hotmail.com: m 18. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 
Baran: 7-9 points after komi @@
gor: ..
pagia: 7.5 after komi
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basilisk_team: among human players, does a win by a certain number of points suggest anything predictable about the differences in skill level between players?
Baran: yes
basilisk_team: like N points = 1 stone handicap?
Traveller: Very rough
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mr555: 8-10 points roughly
gor: not really
Baran: on pro level normally its always very close, so over 3 points is already big
Baran: normally pros just resign at some point
gor: a pro can lose by 60 due to capturing race
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Baran: but Lee can't count in byo-yomi I think 
Baran: no he resigns then
CarlPatenaudePoulin: 7-9 points after Komi? How much handicap would LSD need to win?
Traveller: Winning % is better indicator of relative strength
kitten1: I haven't seen many pro resignations during yose
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Baran: Ke Jie apparently isn't sure anymore if he even could beat AlphaGo and says Lee will probably lose all games
Tran: Can someone give me the stream without commentary?
CarlPatenaudePoulin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8Ppdntupg
phil.bordelon: ...beat me to it there, Carl. :)
CarlPatenaudePoulin: THAT KILLS PEOPLE CARL
CarlPatenaudePoulin: (sorry)
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basilisk_team: i wish i had found a friend to take a bet on 5-0 alphago :(
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phil.bordelon: That would have been unethical for me, basilisk, but it doesn't mean I didn't want to make it :p
DavidNakamura: lol I was thinking the same thing (about the watch)
Baran: man I bet AlphaGO 3-2 I wanted 5-0 because Google was so confident but I thought ... dang man so soon, I thought it would take a while until computer beat us in GO
kitten1: eh, 5-0 seems needlessly pessimistic.  I'd wager an internet on at least a 4-1 split
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CarlPatenaudePoulin: I would have bet 5-0 on 1:1 odds
Baran: nah if Lee had taken this game maybe, but now its a super blow to his moral even
cdybeijing: if AG wins first three games will they play games 4 and 5?
phil.bordelon: 5-0 is a "fun" bet for me, in that I sorta want to lose, but am happy to win too :)
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Traveller: Yes
0xReki: All games will be played.
Baran: and 7-9 points is just to big, no chance he'll in these few days come back much stronger
Tran: Lee resigned
phil.bordelon: gee gee
Baran: GG
CarlPatenaudePoulin: RIP in peace
DavidNakamura: daaamn.
Zal: T^T 
DavidNakamura: his hand is shaking again
tekoyaki: GG
Tran: T____T
basilisk_team: F
Zal: Machines are taking over
tekoyaki: oh noes, it can go 5-0 x.x
Traveller: Wow
Zal: run for the hills
Bronze: ;_;
acTane: gg
LaurentGo: :-(
Traveller: Thanks to HowToPlay? for the replay
Tothinator: AG for President 2016, soon the world
kitten1: when is game 3?
phil.bordelon: Yeah, thanks, HowToPlay?
0xReki: in 2 days
basilisk_team: they just said on the stream tomorrow is a day off
Traveller: One day off then same time
AnneOgborn: so, stronger players, in retrospect what happened with the R16 dragon?
DavidNakamura: good, I have work I need to do tomorrow
DavidNakamura: lol
BenZen: thank you HowToPlay
pagia: B+resign
tankbard: thx for hosing HowToPlay?
tankbard: *hosting
phil.bordelon: so little sleep tonight... sigh
phil.bordelon: worth it though
phil.bordelon: that game was crazy
tankbard: Next one's Friday night for people in the US
DavidNakamura: witnessing history
Nocturius02: ^ absolutely
Baran: Its dead AnneOgborn but AlphaGO was still leading after komi with ~7 points
basilisk_team: this really is historic.  last perfect information game humans play better than computers 
DavidNakamura: don't know how many manga fans there are here, but I feel like I'm in hikaru no go
DavidNakamura: watching sai vs touya koyo or something
phil.bordelon: Glad this site/channel exists.  Good dialog :)
AnneOgborn: understand it's dead, but was it just a stupid move on AG's part, or a sacrifice?
phil.bordelon: Was a nice counterpart to the official stream.
CarpentersKeys1: No anime fans here this is a Go site.
DavidNakamura: lol
TinyBuddha: :(
Baran: No, he took something in the centre AnneOgborn and at first Myung also thought stupid move by AlphaGO but then realized that AlphaGO got sente so it wasnt as big as he thought at first
Baran: and sente in end-game is big too
Tran: Haha, now if you think about it, it's pretty much the similar feeling (sai vs touya)
phil.bordelon: Anne: As one of the programmers mentioned at the beginning of the stream, oftentimes plays like that are just optimizing the likelihood of an eventual win rather than looking "big"
DavidNakamura: ^ it really is
Luqman: There are some anime fans, nothing wrong with having other interests :)
Tran: Now if you think about it
DavidNakamura: it's been probably 10 years since I read the manga but I remember that part so well, and how I felt reading it
Baran: man AlphaGO is trashing a TOP Ten player like its nothing wow
DavidNakamura: and all the people gathering on the net to watch, just like we are :)
Baran: and his moves in opening were so unconventional
CarpentersKeys1: I'm making a joke cause I live in Canada and like 90% of go players here are Weebs
Tran: What if SAI = skynet artificial intelligence, Hikaru just got a cellphone with that AI, and he was so schizophrenic to think that that is a ghost???
AnneOgborn: 8cD I work in robotics - I know that 'just a stupid move' is far from impossible.
DavidNakamura: lolol
CarpentersKeys1: Me included but in this case I got in to Go before Hikaru.
wingly: wow
CarpentersKeys1: Man was I stoked when I found out there was a Go anime though lol
Tran: @DavidNakamura: that explains xD
CarpentersKeys1: Shindou is deffinitely schizo
CarpentersKeys1: "More like Schizou, miright?"
DavidNakamura: *groan*
CarpentersKeys1: haha yeah
0xReki: Somehow I can't download the sgf-file...
user_with_name: if they had chat going in the Google Live thing we could let them know we hear them fine
LaurentGo: I wonder if alphago will discover new concepts/moves/sequences
CarpentersKeys1: is this press conference worth staying up for?
CarpentersKeys1: it says "will begin shortly" but it's been awhile.
fkrama6: anyone knows who these two pros are ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bATCEcRbBzE
CarpentersKeys1: @LarentGo when they fed neural networks MTG cards it developed really novel cards that still fit the world. But Go has been around so much longer.
phil.bordelon: All right, five hours past my bedtime.  It was fun.  See some of you Friday night. :)
flexo37: its 1 hour after my waking up time
flexo37: Next game is in 43 hours
manuel300: yeah
user_with_name: will the link to this game stick around?
user_with_name: ignore my newbiw comments.  The .sgf file is what I was really after
flexo37: lee sedol said the same
ACYK2: porco dio
MasterMind2349: Hello
RiccardoFluorescentBarone: bestemmioni casuali
thouis: https://forums.online-go.com/t/lee-sedol-9p-vs-alphago-match-series/6590
thouis: Next match is March 12th, 2016 @ 4am GMT
Blue Lady: what is this troll =_=
Blue Lady: repport
thouis: We have taken care of it.  our apologies
thouis: (There are many new players, a small number of which do not know how to behave)
shanta: lee sedol is done
kyle9003: this is amazing
Padawan: This game was incredible
Padawan: i can't believe how good the computer is
Padawan: when you saw deepmind ai play atari games, at first it was a noob, then beating the game like a child would do, then after training a few hundreds games, was playing like a surhuman....alphago may have crossed this superhuman stage 
Padawan: when in october it was just alphago child stage
Padawan: but id like to see it play with a limit in search, likr it wouldnt be allowed to read mlore than 100 moves
Padawan: to make it more "fair"'
lichungchang: testing
lichungchang: no not 100 moves
lichungchang: it's only a dozen moves, and only a few depths
lichungchang: then it evaluate the 'value' at that point
lichungchang: you can read their paper in nature
besco: wait, is this game going on right now?
tankbard: Nope, ended at around Thursday 3:30 AM EDT
tankbard: Next match is _Friday_ night for Americans; there's a rest day for Lee
tankbard: Well, and okay, presumably the Deepmind team too, but damn Lee Sedol looked stressed out
BerserkingSoul: hi
songlinjian: d1. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 
FangTom: human being fail again
Newb11: Who is winning?
Padawan: how can i see the estimator please ?
Padawan: i came here a lont time ago it was in the top right corner iirc, but i cant find it anymore
rosebud25: where is todays match 3 link please thx. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 
lichungchang: yes, where's the link?
aysz88: Here, I think HowToPlay just made it: https://online-go.com/demo/115995
rosebud25: great thx. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 
nordg: who won
nordg: black or white
PinkJuice: it says B+resignation on move 211
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tankbard: Weeeeeeeeeaboooooooooooooo
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rzgrklnc: 91. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 M1 L3 J1 K1 H1 E1 F1 D1 G2 A6 A7 A4 P15 O15 P14 K14 J15 K15 K16 L9 J13 K9 H14 J12 G14 F14 G18 H18 F18 E18 F19 E19 G19 H19 M14 M15 L14 L15 F9 F10 E9 E11 G8 G7 K7 J8 Q7 Q8 R9 Q9 P5 O5 Q4 P5 Q15 
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catlyn jenner: chupenme el pito. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 Q13 R13 
catlyn jenner: chupenme el pito. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 Q13 R13 
catlyn jenner: chupenme el pito. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 Q13 R13 
catlyn jenner: chupenme el pito. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 Q13 R13 
catlyn jenner: fuck you niggers. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 Q13 R13 
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Royy: With K14 instead of H14
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catlyn jenner: fuck you niggers. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 Q13 R13 Q15 J12 F9 E11 E13 F10 F13 E14 F14 G14 H14 J15 
catlyn jenner: fuck you niggers. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 P13 L13 O11 K12 O19 L11 N11 K11 O17 N18 P16 N17 P17 L2 N1 J5 J4 K5 K6 J2 H2 R8 S8 R7 S7 A5 B7 M6 L6 N5 B15 A15 A14 A16 N19 M19 P19 D16 B13 M18 Q6 P6 E2 C2 F4 J3 H3 R10 S10 L1 Q13 R13 Q15 J12 F9 E11 E13 F10 F13 E14 F14 G14 H14 J15 
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Royy: https://online-go.com/demo/114754 Isn't lee winning ? I don't get it...
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catlyn jenner: whats up pusseis
catlyn jenner: who wanna taste my assh ole?
catlyn jenner: niggers
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dachen11: hello
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Tran: Mistake due to time limit by Lee?. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 M12 N13 O11 P13 N11 
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quuxman: d1. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 N13 
quuxman: why isn't this better?
Tran: cause he will lose other stones? I didn't watched this part
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Tran: there is this cut. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 N13 M12 
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quuxman: d2. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 S9 F12 E8 O12 O13 M13 N13 M12 M14 L14 M15 M16 L15 K15 K14 
quuxman: but it looks better
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quuxman: never mind, it's the same or worse of course
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Tsumego: d2. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 C15 B16 R18 H11 K13 H10 P18 Q18 Q19 O18 D15 E15 G10 H12 E10 O14 N14 N15 R9 R10 S10 S11 S9 O12 O13 P13 N13 R12 S12 P12 O11 N11 Q12 P14 
Tsumego: Something along this line explains S9 over R10
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pagia: still dead. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M7 L12 H13 R17 R16 S17 Q17 T16 G13 F10 E10 F12 E11 F13 F14 E14 G14 E13 E15 
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pagia: A. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M12 E10 F10 F9 E8 D15 E15 K12 
pagia: A. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 E8 F7 G6 F8 G5 E9 D9 D8 C8 E12 D11 Q10 R11 S14 S13 L16 H6 P7 S15 S16 T14 F11 G9 H7 J6 H8 L5 L4 G17 D14 J16 K17 G15 D13 C14 C12 B12 D12 B11 H16 H15 G16 F16 H17 F15 E17 G12 F17 G11 J11 H9 J9 J8 J7 J10 K8 K10 J14 L7 L8 M10 M9 M5 M11 L10 C11 C10 N10 O2 N2 M3 M4 N3 O4 M2 M12 E10 F10 F9 E8 D15 E15 K12 
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wingly: I dont think alpha go will do E6
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Roybie: ladder earlier. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 G6 G5 E8 F7 G7 F8 F9 G8 H8 G9 G10 H9 J9 H10 H11 J10 K10 J11 J12 K11 L11 K12 K13 L12 M12 L13 L14 M13 M14 N13 O13 N14 N15 O14 O15 P14 P15 P13 Q13 O12 P12 
Roybie: oh i was too slow haha
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Chinitsu: Something like this?. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 R5 C4 C3 B3 C5 B4 B5 D5 B6 D3 E4 D2 C7 K4 C13 E16 R14 R15 Q14 O16 Q11 P10 P11 O10 N12 G4 G3 D6 D7 F5 H4 H5 E5 E6 F6 E7 G6 G5 H6 J5 E8 F7 G8 
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doarzevel: k. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 F9 G8 G8 H7 J7 K7 M7 L7 N8 O9 J12 L12 K10 F7 G5 K3 M5 
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doarzevel: b4. From move 0: Q16 D4 C16 R4 P4 P3 O3 Q3 C6 F3 N4 R6 J17 D10 Q5 F9 G8 G8 H7 J7 K7 M7 L7 N8 O9 J12 L12 K10 F7 G5 K3 M5 R4 R4 R4 Q3 Q3 Q3 O3 O3 P3 P4 N4 N4 N4 N4 M5 M5 M5 M7 M7 M7 L7 L7 L7 L7 K7 K7 K7 L7 L7 L7 J7 J7 J7 H7 H7 H7 G8 G8 G8 F9 F9 F9 D10 D10 D10 F7 F7 F7 G5 G5 G5 F3 F3 F3 D4 D4 D4 C6 C6 L3 K3 K3 K3 L3 L3 L3 P4 P4 P4 Q5 Q5 Q5 R6 R6 R6 Q5 Q5 Q5 O9 O9 O9 N8 N8 N8 K10 K10 K10 L12 L12 L12 L12 J12 J12 J12 L12 L12 L12 J17 J17 J17 C16 C16 C16 C16 C16 C16 J17 J17 J17 Q16 Q16 Q16 Q16 E14 O14 E5 F4 G4 H4 J4 K4 L4 M4 N4 O5 O6 N5 M5 L5 L5 K5 L5 J5 H5 G5 F5 E6 E4 F4 F3 G3 H3 J3 K3 L3 M3 N3 O3 O4 P5 P4 P6 D5 D6 D4 E3 O13 P14 O15 N14 F14 E15 D14 E13 K11 K10 K9 J9 F4 E4 O4 G16 F17 E17 D17 C17 B17 M16 N17 O17 P17 Q17 R17 
doarzevel: no
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