(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
GN[IZIS2OGS transcript of game 531027]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/1267549]
PB[Medak Stjepan, 4d]
PW[Tukara Tadej, 1d]
BR[4d]
WR[1d]
OT[Error: time control missing]
RE[B+0.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[

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dmedak: Decisive games shall start in a couple of minutes ...
dmedak: https://hgos.hr/croatianopen2024/
dmedak: Standings before round 5 and pairings.
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;B[dp]
;W[qc]
;B[dc]
;W[qq]
;B[ci]
;W[fq]
;B[dn]
;W[eo]
;B[en]
;W[fn]
;B[do]
;W[fm]
;B[eq]
;W[er]
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opoiio: good to see, that its ok to play 3 3 in the opening.
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;B[pp]
;W[qp]
;B[pn]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[pq]
;B[np]
;W[po]
;B[nn]
;W[nq]
;B[mp]
;W[qn]
;B[pm]
;W[qm]
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Animiral: not just ok, it's one of the strongest and most popular approaches to the 4-4
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opoiio: oh, and I always thought its a logo.
opoiio: *nogo ;)
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Animiral: oh wait, the 3-3 was there first ^^ well then. It's still good. The opening is very free, you can play what you want
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;B[dh]
;W[eh]
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opoiio: yes it was the first and the second move. I've never seen this.
Animiral: I've played 3-3 in every corner in tournament before (that is, 2 black and 2 white 3-3 corners)
opoiio: so its all about the center then?
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;W[cc]
;B[cd]
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Animiral: avoid the crosscut shape. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 
Animiral: If you do get a crosscut on the board, pick one of your two stones and sacrifice it
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opoiio: i will try 3 3 in my next games.
Animiral: If the opening is very low, it can encourage fights to break out because you can't build up as good as from high stones. But this is very academic, the flow of the game will not be dictated just by the corner stones.
Animiral: or now that I think about it maybe it's the exact opposite :> best not to think about it.
opoiio: p10 for white looks good for me
Animiral: There is no difference between “for black” and “for white”, so both players are after the same thing. it is either the top or the right.
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Animiral: what is white's plan here? I think he can capture at D9 now and black will still be better because the corner is now solid.
opoiio: the right side seems so big
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Animiral: There are two large areas left, top side and right side. Which one do you think is bigger? :)
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;B[ck]
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opoiio: right side is more interseting for white I would say
Animiral: Is there such a thing as a side interesting for white, but not for black?
opoiio: no ;)
Animiral: you got it :) to make 20 points or prevent 20 points has the same value.
opoiio: so which side should white go for? and black?
Animiral: In general, what do you think is more valuable? An area that is related to one color (like the right), or an area that is under shared influence from both colors (like the top)?
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opoiio: I really don't know anymore
opoiio: I would have said right is better for white
opoiio: but give black the chance to build the top is bad either
Animiral: ok, do you know the rule of thumb about the vital point when both players are building a large moyo?
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opoiio: its the same for both?
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opoiio: i don't know
Animiral: yep :) and where would it be?
opoiio: now? here?
Animiral: there is a guideline that you should “play on the border between the spheres of influence”
Animiral: in general :)
opoiio: yes I heard of that
Animiral: The reason is that you expand your own area and shrink the opponent's area at the same time. You get two for one. It's twice as effective than just building your own thing.
opoiio: I still prefer p10 but I guess its wrong
opoiio: oh so the top
Animiral: p10 is focused on the right side, which is white-only. The top side is interesting for both players, so it is bigger than it looks.
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Animiral: (I should say, “influenced by both players”, since I just said that there is no such thing as “interesting for just one player”)
opoiio: that's true, but then I heard you should build towards your own strength
opoiio: habe its also a matter of how defensiv you want to play
Animiral: that is kind of ambiguous ^^ strength is like a hot lava stream, you don't want to touch it or get too close at all.
Mrrr: b14
Animiral: Not to your own strength, because your stones will become over-concentrated. You already dominate there, so one more stone does very little.
Animiral: And not to the opponent's strength, because you have no space to flee.
opoiio: but, if black plays now p10 it would be bad for white
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opoiio: ok maybe not
Animiral: corner-side-center.
opoiio: i prefer the right side for blck
Animiral: welll I'll be happy to check with a computer to see if I'm wrong. it happens :) But by conventional wisom, the top side is clearly bigger. 
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;W[fe]
;B[gf]
;W[bd]
;B[be]
;W[ae]
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Mrrr: also, even extension to j3 seems to affect white stones more than p10 as it creates weak group gor white
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Animiral: you can count “free space” kind of like this, and even without considering who has the influence over it, top is bigger.. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 
Animiral: yes! whoever gets sente for the next big move should choose top.
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;W[cl]
;B[nd]
;W[pe]
;B[kd]C[

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Animiral: Look at that. It's the big move. But there is another issue. That left side fight is unsettled and urgent. Normally it's always urgent moves before big moves.
Mrrr: what about a12?
tap1998: it's actually settled, but w can live in the top left at some point
Mrrr: what would you answer for a12?
Animiral: a13
tap1998: a13
Mrrr: a14
tap1998: white can start at a14 to live in the top left corner. But that's not urgent
Animiral: good point
Mrrr: yes. I just hallucinated c12 is catchable
Mrrr: i think there is ko in a15
Mrrr: for catching c12
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;B[ag]
;W[af]
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Mrrr: hm ok, b13 would secure it for b
Mrrr: (after a14)
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Animiral: This is a devious corner :) Will white really start at a14? I'm trying to read it
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;B[ad]
(;W[ag]
;B[ah]
;W[bd]
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Animiral: that would be too easy; but black can suffocate white. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 A15 A16 A13 A12 B16 B13 A17 C13 
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;B[bd]
;W[ah]
;B[ai]
;W[bg]
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Mrrr: i was thinking about this. But it is not really considerable for white. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 A15 A16 A14 B16 A12 A11 B13 A13 
tap1998: Why is it not considerable? it's clearly better than just being dead :)
Animiral: ya this looks like what I first called “unsettled” (though I was thinking of the other ko that doesn't work)
Animiral: but it's step ko
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;B[ip]
;W[hq]
;B[bm]
;W[nb]
;B[og]
;W[lc]
;B[kc]
;W[ld]
;B[lb]
;W[mb]
;B[kb]
;W[le]
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Mrrr: for life in the corner that is my reading as well
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;W[oh]
;B[ng]
;W[nh]
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TenukiLover: isn't corner just ko?
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;B[pd]
;W[pc]
(;B[qe]
;W[om]
;B[on]
;W[nm]
;B[mm]
;W[ol]
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;B[rg]
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TenukiLover: I could be wrong, don't have ai. it would show the for sure answer :)
Animiral: I wonder how much thinking time the players already spent on this, it must be so distracting
dmedak: White spet  52 minutes (of 60)
dmedak: Black spent 22 minutes
Animiral: thx!
dmedak: So, white has less than 8 minutes now before entering byoyomi (3x30 seconds)
dmedak: Black has 38 minutes 
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;W[ds]
;B[cs]C[

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Mrrr: position  looks ok for white when it comes to points
opoiio: if someone could show me a way to avoid those liberty fights like in the top left. I don't get them and so I hate them.
opoiio: its the ugly part of go.
Mrrr: playing simple moves helps opoiio :)
opoiio: yes I try ;)
TenukiLover: liberty fights are an extremely large part of go. Strong players can read them and kill you which is beautiful :)
Mrrr: you don`t get such positions when you play conservatively
Mrrr: so start playing conservatively and the try slightly speeding up your moves
Mrrr: *then
TenukiLover: so w can alive in corner but outside is a bit weak
Mrrr: yes, quite risky by black
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(;W[cr]
;B[es]
;W[cq]
;B[dq]
;W[bs]
;B[ds]
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TenukiLover: corner. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 R12 J4 H3 B7 O18 P13 M17 L17 M16 M18 N18 L18 M15 R13 Q12 Q13 P12 O13 O12 P15 N13 Q16 Q17 R15 P7 P6 O7 N7 P8 M6 N8 M8 O9 S13 M9 L8 L9 K8 D1 C1 C2 E1 C3 D3 B1 D1 A2 
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;B[es]
;W[iq]C[

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TenukiLover: o2 is tournament pressure
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;B[jf]
;W[kg]
;B[hh]
;W[gi]
;B[gg]
;W[hi]
;B[fh]C[

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Animiral: now that corner solved itself
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;W[fi]
;B[gl]
;W[fl]
(;B[sj]
;W[ri]
;B[si]C[

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TenukiLover: standard jump is typically better than monkey
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(;W[rk]C[

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Animiral: what I mean is w lost the aji in the upper left
TenukiLover: how do you kill after d18?
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;B[rj]
;W[qj]
;B[rh]
;W[qi]
;B[sk]
;W[rl]
;B[rd]
;W[rc]
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;W[jp]
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Animiral: b is like 25 pts ahead now
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;W[gp]
;B[kp]
;W[ko]
;B[lo]
;W[hl]
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;W[jg]
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;B[sc]
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;B[ls]
;W[ns]
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Mrrr: try d18, white, just try :)\\
Animiral: XD
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;W[fg]
;B[af]C[

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Animiral: it wouldn't win the game anymore even if it worked
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;W[im]
;B[kn]
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Animiral: being dan is nice, people stop subjecting you to funny business tests like that
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;B[je]
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Animiral: (mostly :P)
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Animiral: ok there is more w in the center than I counted 80 moves ago. 
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Mrrr: white still can get it with the corner
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;W[gs]
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Animiral: naaah, close but not enough ^^
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;B[ae]
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;B[ah]
;W[jm]
;B[ke]
;W[mc]
;B[me]
;W[km]
;B[lm]
;W[mf]
;B[lg]
;W[lf]
;B[bi]
;W[aj]
;B[al]
;W[la]
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;W[ma]
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;W[dk]
;B[dm]
;W[if]
;B[hg]
;W[fe]
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;W[db]
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Animiral: ah there it goes
Animiral: b cannot approach XD
Animiral: another ko?
Mrrr: ko?
Mrrr: isn`t it alive?
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;B[ab]
;W[bb]
(;B[ac]C[

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Mrrr: ah
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;W[ad]
;B[bd]
;W[aa]
;B[ba]C[

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Animiral: 17. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 R12 J4 H3 B7 O18 P13 M17 L17 M16 M18 N18 L18 M15 R13 Q12 Q13 P12 O13 O12 P15 N13 Q16 Q17 R15 P7 P6 O7 N7 P8 M6 N8 M8 O9 S13 M9 L8 L9 K8 D1 C1 O2 E1 J3 K14 L13 H12 G11 G13 H11 F12 F11 G8 F8 T10 S11 T11 S9 S10 R10 S12 R11 T9 S8 S16 S17 R16 K4 L3 J5 F4 G4 L4 L5 M5 H8 J12 K13 J13 K11 T17 T18 T16 S18 P17 P18 N2 N1 M1 O1 K2 C7 C6 B8 B6 F13 A14 J7 L6 L14 K15 F5 K5 H4 E4 T8 T12 J2 J9 H9 K10 L10 K12 K9 L12 L11 M12 N12 M11 J8 J11 J10 G2 G1 H1 J1 F1 G3 D1 A13 A15 N11 M10 N10 J6 H6 K6 H2 G1 O14 P14 O15 K3 L1 M2 K1 J4 H5 E7 E8 N16 A11 A12 K7 L15 N17 N15 L7 M7 N14 M13 M14 B11 A10 A8 M19 L19 N19 D8 D9 D7 J14 H13 F15 G15 D18 E18 C19 A18 B18 A17 A16 B16 A19 B19 
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;W[aa]C[

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Animiral: now it's alive
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;B[da]
;W[cb]
;B[fh]
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;B[ad]
;W[ac]
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Animiral: b still wins by 1,5 or so?
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;W[ip]C[

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Mrrr: b16 gives white one point
dmedak: B+0.5
dmedak: Thanks for watching
Animiral: nice
dmedak: Mirta and Roko still playing for the 2nd place
Mrrr: i just counted white + ;)
Animiral: greetings to Stjepan!
dmedak: He is a bit angry for missing simple things :)
Animiral: tell him we all saw it :D
dmedak: sure
dmedak: we were missing you here 
Animiral: <3
Animiral: I have a cold
Animiral: from last tournament lol
dmedak: I see - we wish yoiu fast recovery
Animiral: thx ^_^
Mrrr: ah white also loses one point with a9
Mrrr: ok, now i understand
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;B[am]
;W[ej]
;B[ak]
;W[bd]
;B[ed]
;W[kr]
;B[od]
;W[nc]C[

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dmedak: Soon, we will have all results and final standings.
dmedak: It seems Stjepan Medak, 4d, won the tournament with 5/5.
Animiral: congratulations \\o/
Mrrr: thanks for transmission
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TenukiLover: ah. right.
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;B[eb]
;W[ca]
;B[bb]
;W[ab]
;B[ba]
;W[ad]
;B[bd]
;W[ae]
;B[fg]C[

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Animiral: w can no longer threaten escape. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 R12 J4 H3 B7 O18 P13 M17 L17 M16 M18 N18 L18 M15 R13 Q12 Q13 P12 O13 O12 P15 N13 Q16 Q17 R15 P7 P6 O7 N7 P8 M6 N8 M8 O9 S13 M9 L8 L9 K8 D1 C1 O2 E1 J3 K14 L13 H12 G11 G13 H11 F12 F11 G8 F8 T10 S11 T11 D18 E18 C19 B18 A18 B19 A16 B16 A15 F13 
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;W[db]
;B[bb]
;W[ab]
;B[ba]
;W[eb]
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TenukiLover: ?
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)))(;B[od]
;W[db]
;B[eb]
;W[ca]
(;B[bb]
;W[ab]
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;W[ad]C[

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TenukiLover: without exchange w is alive though?
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(;B[ae]
;W[bd]C[

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TenukiLover: if b resist he should lose liberty race. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 R12 J4 H3 B7 O18 P13 M17 L17 M16 M18 N18 L18 M15 R13 Q12 Q13 P12 O13 O12 P15 N13 Q16 Q17 P16 D18 E18 C19 B18 A18 B19 A16 A15 B16 
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Animiral: lol this changes the picture again
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Mrrr: ah, right! white would have a17for free
Mrrr: so it is alive after all
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Mrrr: yeah, but it is rather an endless ko threat rather than ko possible to win. Still, there is something. However, white would lose corner
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;B[af]
;W[db]
;B[eb]
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Animiral: to make life, I believe white should start at a16. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 A16 A14 D18 E18 C19 
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TenukiLover: this way may be the less obvious ko. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 A16 A14 D18 E18 C19 A18 B18 E19 A19 B19 A17 D19 A19 C18 
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Animiral: looks right but with black on a15
Animiral: so, ko for the corner or ko for d12 group? :D
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TenukiLover: easier to see ko. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 C14 C9 B10 B12 B17 D15 E14 E15 F13 F14 B14 C12 B9 G14 G12 B15 C8 O16 Q15 L16 A16 A14 D18 E18 C19 A18 B18 E19 D19 B19 
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Mrrr: so the question is which ko should white choose. The desperate one or the corner one :)
Mrrr: yes, desperate one
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Animiral: compare this option. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 D9 P17 Q15 M16 
opoiio: so what you are saying is, that both players should go for the top side?
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Animiral: with this.. From move 0: D4 R17 D17 R3 C11 F3 D6 E5 E6 F6 D5 F7 E3 E2 D2 F2 Q4 R4 Q6 P4 P5 Q3 O4 Q5 O6 O3 N4 R6 Q7 R7 N3 Q8 O8 D16 E17 D11 D12 E12 D10 E11 D13 C17 C16 C10 C15 D14 E13 D9 R15 P16 Q12 
Animiral: These are the moves that b might choose to either play for the top or the right side.
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