(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
GN[IZIS2OGS transcript of game 573825]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/1308775]
PB[Podpera 7d]
PW[Vazquez 7d]
OT[Error: time control missing]
RE[W+0.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]

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;W[cp]
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;W[bn]
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dmedak: Only four games today. Winners qualify for "last 8" quartert finals
dmedak: https://www.eurogofed.org/egc/2024.html
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martin97: Jan, why are you not playing?
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;W[ec]
;B[de]
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;B[eg]
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JanSimara: I think there still one more round to play before top 8
JanSimara: for the loser bracket
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Tschej: is there a 'ogs way' to see what the ai thinks about this positions?
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fightyoats: @Tschej there's an estimate score button in the right hand sidebar
5N0W3: is there anyway to save those two black stones or is it better to leave them and fight else where?
martin97: with l18 you can connect them to n17, since if white tries to cut at m18, you can cut white with the m17 atari
Tschej: estimate score @.@ ty tho ^^
martin97: the question is, how much the h15 stones would suffer in the process, thats what they are currently thinking about
fuseki3: I think the estimate score is from a fairly strong version of kataGo 
fuseki3: (for observers, at least)
5N0W3: the h15 have much more aji then then the j17 it seems, so saving them might not result in a good position if im reading it right
TomiP: at least when it came it was 1 playout katago I think. Not sure if it has been improved
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martin97: h18 is somewhat surprising to me, I thought he would exchange k18 for h18
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martin97: yes I would also think that would be good for w, and apparently black agreed :)
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martin97: now black only has one weak group and white has two, in exchange for that white got the first move in the center
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5N0W3: It will be interesting to see how black uses that weak group, white has a lot of influence in the center already so losing that group would not be good
martin97: potentially this entire board can go up in flames.
5N0W3: it is the most interesting of the 4 for sure
martin97: H4 and D4 are already in an unsettled confrontation
martin97: after j13, black is for now commited to not lose those stones
martin97: white can exchange m18 for k18 and then maybe o17, to almost connect the l16 stones to q17
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martin97: black will of course want to prevent that, and attaching at q16 can be a powerful way of gaining extra stones to increase the pressure on l14
5N0W3: interesting applying pressure on the center, a bit of a gamble from black
martin97: I think blacks position is more pleasant to play, but they are both beyond such terms, they will play and suffer through whatever is needed to win
5N0W3: the q16 attachment also would apply pressure towards the empty right side
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;B[lh]
;W[me]
;B[mg]
;W[jf]
;B[hh]
;W[nc]
;B[nb]
;W[md]
;B[oc]
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Tschej: who do you think is ahead? 
Tschej: :o
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martin97: this feels like w got off easy, the corner is now much more solid, j13 is still floating and they got f10&f11
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5N0W3: black does have more influence on the center, so we will have to see if black can soldify to make trading the corner worth it
5N0W3: ai is if calling W+2
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5N0W3: personally I agree, white can play of the left wall and reinforce the right side, black has center influence but its not set in stone. the board is still primed for a good fight
Animiral: what is the most surprising move to you?
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;W[ej]
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Lucirex1: I like black here
Lucirex1: He gets to attack 
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;B[cn]
;W[bm]
;B[cr]
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Animiral: g7 was wild... imagine reading that out
shinuito: yeah I really thought white wasn't going to live on the bottom with G7
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;W[fq]
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katapliksi: this will be fun
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TomiP: I'd have no clue how to manage this as white
TomiP: I wish someday I'm cool enough to throw out a 30 move variation and just say "This is how you do it." 
TomiP: :D
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Nummer 5: Xd
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;B[dr]
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lolstarzz: it's ok, you're cool in my books Tomi
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TomiP: awww
TomiP: heyyy why you're here, less ogs more congress
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Srini Ramanujan: can't kabitz the games in person unfortunately:(
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Animiral: but I think it might have been a blunder
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czgoplayer2: Just bamboo?
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ofer.zivony: seems like a nice local result for w
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ofer.zivony: this is pretty cool
ofer.zivony: though I guess b can sacrifice 2 stones and let w save for sente
Lucirex1: Yea
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Lucirex1: Is it sente tho
Lucirex1: There might be some l&d complicatipns
Animiral: it would be justified if b had to block at k10. . From move 0: D4 Q17 D17 R4 P3 Q5 C14 C3 D3 C4 D5 B6 M3 R14 K17 H4 N17 J16 J17 G16 J15 D16 C16 E17 D15 E16 D18 C17 C18 E15 E14 F14 E13 F13 E12 B17 B18 F12 E11 K16 H16 H17 H15 L17 H18 G17 L18 L16 M17 L14 J13 F11 K12 F10 M12 N15 N13 K14 H12 O17 O18 N16 P17 O16 N18 P18 J9 G18 J18 E10 H6 K4 L5 G6 C6 B7 C2 B2 G5 H5 F5 G7 J6 F3 H2 L3 M2 L2 L4 E2 D2 G2 B5 C7 D6 J2 D10 D9 C10 L11 L12 N10 L9 H10 J10 Q11 C9 D7 P9 Q9 Q8 P8 P7 O8 R9 Q10 R7 N6 O7 N7 N8 O9 N9 O10 P5 P6 O6 O5 Q6 P4 N5 P6 Q7 N4 M5 M4 Q3 M7 L8 O4 S6 N2 S11 K6 K5 L7 K7 K8 L6 J7 K6 K9 K10 M9 
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tap1998: Not good enough, b sente is big for the lower right. From move 0: D4 Q17 D17 R4 P3 Q5 C14 C3 D3 C4 D5 B6 M3 R14 K17 H4 N17 J16 J17 G16 J15 D16 C16 E17 D15 E16 D18 C17 C18 E15 E14 F14 E13 F13 E12 B17 B18 F12 E11 K16 H16 H17 H15 L17 H18 G17 L18 L16 M17 L14 J13 F11 K12 F10 M12 N15 N13 K14 H12 O17 O18 N16 P17 O16 N18 P18 J9 G18 J18 E10 H6 K4 L5 G6 C6 B7 C2 B2 G5 H5 F5 G7 J6 F3 H2 L3 M2 L2 L4 E2 D2 G2 B5 C7 D6 J2 D10 D9 C10 L11 L12 N10 L9 H10 J10 Q11 C9 D7 P9 Q9 Q8 P8 P7 O8 R9 Q10 R7 N6 O7 N7 N8 O9 N9 O10 P5 P6 O6 O5 Q6 P4 N5 P6 Q7 N4 M5 M4 Q3 M7 L8 O4 S6 N2 S11 K6 K5 L7 K7 K8 L6 J7 K6 K9 K10 M9 J8 M8 
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ofer.zivony: this is better for b. From move 0: D4 Q17 D17 R4 P3 Q5 C14 C3 D3 C4 D5 B6 M3 R14 K17 H4 N17 J16 J17 G16 J15 D16 C16 E17 D15 E16 D18 C17 C18 E15 E14 F14 E13 F13 E12 B17 B18 F12 E11 K16 H16 H17 H15 L17 H18 G17 L18 L16 M17 L14 J13 F11 K12 F10 M12 N15 N13 K14 H12 O17 O18 N16 P17 O16 N18 P18 J9 G18 J18 E10 H6 K4 L5 G6 C6 B7 C2 B2 G5 H5 F5 G7 J6 F3 H2 L3 M2 L2 L4 E2 D2 G2 B5 C7 D6 J2 D10 D9 C10 L11 L12 N10 L9 H10 J10 Q11 C9 D7 P9 Q9 Q8 P8 P7 O8 R9 Q10 R7 N6 O7 N7 N8 O9 N9 O10 P5 P6 O6 O5 Q6 P4 N5 P6 Q7 N4 M5 M4 Q3 M7 L8 O4 S6 N2 S11 K6 K5 L7 K7 K8 L6 J7 K6 K9 L10 K10 K11 M8 J8 M9 
ofer.zivony: no complications after this
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ofer.zivony: this might work (although risky for w) - so b has to be careful. From move 0: D4 Q17 D17 R4 P3 Q5 C14 C3 D3 C4 D5 B6 M3 R14 K17 H4 N17 J16 J17 G16 J15 D16 C16 E17 D15 E16 D18 C17 C18 E15 E14 F14 E13 F13 E12 B17 B18 F12 E11 K16 H16 H17 H15 L17 H18 G17 L18 L16 M17 L14 J13 F11 K12 F10 M12 N15 N13 K14 H12 O17 O18 N16 P17 O16 N18 P18 J9 G18 J18 E10 H6 K4 L5 G6 C6 B7 C2 B2 G5 H5 F5 G7 J6 F3 H2 L3 M2 L2 L4 E2 D2 G2 B5 C7 D6 J2 D10 D9 C10 L11 L12 N10 L9 H10 J10 Q11 C9 D7 P9 Q9 Q8 P8 P7 O8 R9 Q10 R7 N6 O7 N7 N8 O9 N9 O10 P5 P6 O6 O5 Q6 P4 N5 P6 Q7 N4 M5 M4 Q3 M7 L8 O4 S6 N2 S11 K6 K5 L7 K7 K8 L6 J7 K6 K9 L10 M8 M9 K10 M6 M11 
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Animiral: m7 :D nice
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Lucirex1: Close game now I feel like 
Lucirex1: Although b is slightly ahead I'd say
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Lucirex1: Q13 seems dangerous
DashDingo: w left group is dead? am i missing something?
ofer.zivony: it isn't obviously alive - that's for sure
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;B[oa]
;W[qb]
;B[oc]
;W[da]
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ofer.zivony: oh, nvm. I'm not up to date
ofer.zivony: now it looks kind of dead
ofer.zivony: maybe still a ko
DashDingo: i was confused about w e18. it pretty much did nothing
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ofer.zivony: No.... From move 0: D4 Q17 D17 R4 P3 Q5 C14 C3 D3 C4 D5 B6 M3 R14 K17 H4 N17 J16 J17 G16 J15 D16 C16 E17 D15 E16 D18 C17 C18 E15 E14 F14 E13 F13 E12 B17 B18 F12 E11 K16 H16 H17 H15 L17 H18 G17 L18 L16 M17 L14 J13 F11 K12 F10 M12 N15 N13 K14 H12 O17 O18 N16 P17 O16 N18 P18 J9 G18 J18 E10 H6 K4 L5 G6 C6 B7 C2 B2 G5 H5 F5 G7 J6 F3 H2 L3 M2 L2 L4 E2 D2 G2 B5 C7 D6 J2 D10 D9 C10 L11 L12 N10 L9 H10 J10 Q11 C9 D7 P9 Q9 Q8 P8 P7 O8 R9 Q10 R7 N6 O7 N7 N8 O9 N9 O10 P5 P6 O6 O5 Q6 P4 N5 P6 Q7 N4 M5 M4 Q3 M7 L8 O4 S6 N2 S11 K6 K5 L7 K7 K8 L6 J7 K6 K9 L10 S12 J8 R3 E8 E7 G15 F15 F8 G8 D8 C8 E9 F9 B9 B16 C15 E18 R12 S13 R11 R10 S10 Q12 K3 K2 R5 S5 Q4 R6 P5 R5 S8 P6 Q18 P16 P5 O2 P19 R18 P17 D19 A18 G19 F17 J19 M19 K19 K18 H19 L19 
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ofer.zivony: ok, this looks like something
tap1998: And i was slightly late :)
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;B[gj]
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tap1998: There‘s an eye here. From move 0: D4 Q17 D17 R4 P3 Q5 C14 C3 D3 C4 D5 B6 M3 R14 K17 H4 N17 J16 J17 G16 J15 D16 C16 E17 D15 E16 D18 C17 C18 E15 E14 F14 E13 F13 E12 B17 B18 F12 E11 K16 H16 H17 H15 L17 H18 G17 L18 L16 M17 L14 J13 F11 K12 F10 M12 N15 N13 K14 H12 O17 O18 N16 P17 O16 N18 P18 J9 G18 J18 E10 H6 K4 L5 G6 C6 B7 C2 B2 G5 H5 F5 G7 J6 F3 H2 L3 M2 L2 L4 E2 D2 G2 B5 C7 D6 J2 D10 D9 C10 L11 L12 N10 L9 H10 J10 Q11 C9 D7 P9 Q9 Q8 P8 P7 O8 R9 Q10 R7 N6 O7 N7 N8 O9 N9 O10 P5 P6 O6 O5 Q6 P4 N5 P6 Q7 N4 M5 M4 Q3 M7 L8 O4 S6 N2 S11 K6 K5 L7 K7 K8 L6 J7 K6 K9 L10 S12 J8 R3 E8 E7 G15 F15 F8 G8 D8 C8 E9 F9 B9 B16 C15 E18 R12 S13 R11 R10 S10 Q12 K3 K2 R5 S5 Q4 R6 P5 R5 S8 P6 Q18 P16 P5 O2 P19 R18 P17 D19 A18 H11 G9 H9 H8 G12 G10 G11 G9 H13 
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ofer.zivony: will b go for the ko?
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shinuito: what's wrong with it?
shinuito: but you do have to spend two more moves later
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shinuito: ah right, the timing of it
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;W[ob]C[

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shinuito: yup, but maybe ko threats later too?
shinuito: lot of kos in this game
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;B[so]
;W[sp]
;B[sn]C[

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GoDave89: ooh, white got to live in sente
GoDave89: feels like that shouldn't happen :'D
DashDingo: so e18 wasnt useless after all
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shinuito: m7 :D
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;W[lk]
;B[ll]
;W[sp]
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martin97: I just really do not understand b19
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GoDave89: yeah same
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martin97: it gives away sente without any need
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;W[sp]C[

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GoDave89: yeah
martin97: you can answer at b15 when white plays e19
martin97: no need to play b19 yourself, to save 3 points endgame
GoDave89: hence 3 points
GoDave89: but there was a lot bigger endgame left
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martin97: its an amazing match, I would have collapsed so often already with both colours
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;B[ad]
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martin97: and here we are with a somewhat even endgame
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;W[pf]
;B[rp]
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GoDave89: pity they already ended the broadcast ^^
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shinuito: internet has been a bit questionable the last few days
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lolstarzz: huh, i stopped watching about 20m ago because it looked like Lukan had wrapped it up...
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yahel.or.3: They must next time demand a place that was a good tape whoever hosts Congress
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;W[sp]
;B[ip]C[

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shinuito: definitely a blunder if I played it :P
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GoDave89: I was earlier, but went home for lunch..
ofer.zivony: Yeah.. I'd love to know as well. it's quite intense...
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;W[jb]
;B[ia]C[

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GoDave89: yeah looks like it - damn
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lolstarzz: anyone in the room who can keep us updated? 😁
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GoDave89: ah yes, J19 ofc xD
lolstarzz: classic tesuji
Animiral: izisuji?
martin97: oh no, relay error :(
arkan: The izis board encountered a problem. The replay on OGS is temporary paused, and may appear in another game from EGC_2024 later on. Sorry for the inconvenience.
OndraKruml: np, was too dramatic anyways
nuborn: :D
Animiral: :'D
Hidoshito: No live person on transmissions, only shitty automatic boards = worst EGC ever!:(
Daniug: Almost no day with all games well broadcasted to the end
nuborn: Any update on the game? Are they still playing or? 
xhu98: W+0.5
zleon: thx :(
GoDave89: wow
ofer.zivony: thx
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;B[fc]C[

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ofer.zivony: G19 seems like sente for w
ofer.zivony: you can either kill b or get the j18 stones (but Q18 makes it a bit more complicated
ofer.zivony: I don't think b can get another eye in the corner though
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yahel.or.3: That's how you can handle it as a white. From move 0: D4 Q17 D17 R4 P3 Q5 C14 C3 D3 C4 D5 B6 M3 R14 K17 H4 N17 J16 J17 G16 J15 D16 C16 E17 D15 E16 D18 C17 C18 E15 E14 F14 E13 F13 E12 B17 B18 F12 E11 K16 H16 H17 H15 L17 H18 G17 L18 L16 M17 L14 J13 F11 K12 F10 M12 N15 N13 K14 H12 O17 O18 N16 P17 O16 N18 P18 J9 G18 J18 E10 H6 K4 L5 G6 C6 B7 C2 B2 G5 H5 F5 G7 J6 F3 H2 L3 M2 H3 J2 G2 L2 E6 F4 E2 D2 C7 G3 G4 J4 J3 K2 J5 K5 E5 E4 F6 K3 E1 L4 C1 D1 B1 J4 G3 G1 D6 F1 C5 
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paulsy: I agree.  Obviously under-ranked to talk but still
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martin97: something like this, and then we get a dubious fight with two weak groups each. From move 0: D4 Q17 D17 R4 P3 Q5 C14 C3 D3 C4 D5 B6 M3 R14 K17 H4 N17 J16 J17 G16 J15 D16 C16 E17 D15 E16 D18 C17 C18 E15 E14 F14 E13 F13 E12 B17 B18 F12 E11 K16 H16 H17 H15 L17 L18 L16 K18 H18 
5N0W3: Wouldn't white be slightly better there? they can connect to the E16 group and I don't think black has a solid way to prevent the escape into the middle after that
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