(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2014-03-25]
GN[]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/13421]
PB[Luna10]
PW[Satomi]
BR[?]
WR[6k]
TM[900]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+R]
SZ[9]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[

-- chat --
Luna10: okay
dfunkt: oops
dfunkt: wrong click
Luna10: I noticed that happened several times in one of my other games
dfunkt: well, my laundry is done and I think I'll retire to bed
dfunkt: I hope I didn't just confuse you about go
Luna10: thank you it helped a lot
dfunkt: some of that stuff was fairly advanced
dfunkt: most people do not think about power until they are intermediate level players
dfunkt: mainly, stay connected and make room for eyes
Luna10: It seemed kinda straightforeward to me
Luna10: okay
dfunkt: 1 more thing
]
(;B[ee]C[this move is greedy
it wants the entire board
]
;W[fg]
(;B[gg]TR[ee]TR[gg]C[notice how white is already wedged in between the first two black stones.  This may seem like an attack, surrounding the white stone but it's white's turn


-- chat --
Satomi: here's the teacher friend of mine dfunkt
Satomi: haha
Satomi: lol
Luna10: oh
]
;W[gh]
(;B[ff]TR[gf]C[this move leaves a cutting point and atari for white


-- chat --
Satomi: solid like a stone 
Satomi: haha
Luna10: I've done that before, I just seem to have an obsession with the large dots
Satomi: lol
]
;W[eg]
;B[dg]
;W[hg]
;B[gf]
;W[hf]
;B[he]
;W[ef]TR[fe]TR[ge]TR[df]SQ[fh]SQ[hh]C[black has many weaknesses
white's cutting points are safe because he can ladder to the edge of the board

-- chat --
Luna10: Is he going over all the moves I made bad choices at? That's helpful
]
(;B[df]TR[de]TR[fe]TR[ge]C[still 3 black weaknesses


-- chat --
Satomi: well i know dfunkt would do the whole hour for this
Satomi: hahaha
Luna10: Like how coffee puts me to sleep
]
;W[ge]
(;B[gd]
;W[fe]
;B[fd]TR[ed]TR[hd]TR[de]C[still 3 cutting points

-- chat --
Luna10: what about the actual game?
Luna10: so cover all cutting points?
]
;W[hd]
;B[hc]TR[gc]TR[ed]TR[de]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: we make 5m per move :)
]
;W[ie]
;B[eh]TR[gc]TR[ed]TR[de]TR[dh]C[now 4 cutting points


-- chat --
Luna10: oh
dfunkt: do you see what I am showing?  you must fix your cutting points... stay connected
Satomi: i prefer if instead of e2, d6 was preferavle i think
Satomi: *preferable
Luna10: I just put that didn't I 
]
;W[fh]
(;B[dh]C[finally black fixes something

-- chat --
Satomi: yeah
Satomi: you did
Luna10: he told me to 
Luna10: okay thanks a lot
]
;W[ed]
;B[de]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: I appearently made a better player when I didn't know the rules
]
;W[fc]
(;B[gc]
;W[ec]
;B[fb]
;W[eb]
;B[ea]
;W[gb]
;B[ga]
;W[fa]
;B[db]
;W[dc]
;B[da]
;W[cb]
;B[cc]
;W[cd]
;B[dd]
;W[bc]
;B[fb]
;W[cc]
;B[hb]
;W[ca]
;B[fa]
;W[bf]
;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[ei]
;W[ch]
;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[ib]
;W[id]
;B[cg]
;W[bg]
;B[bh]
;W[ah]
;B[ci]
;W[ai]
;B[bi]
;W[ag]
;B[fi]
;W[gi]TR[df]TR[dg]TR[dh]TR[eh]C[notice at the end of the game the stones you fixed lived

-- chat --
Luna10: I forget what ladder is
dfunkt: I guess that's it.  stay connected, don't touch your opponent's stones every move
]
)(;B[dd]
;W[ec]
;B[dc]C[black has already lost the game... this is the best result you can get now

-- chat --
Satomi: that's more like it :)
Luna10: Had an odd obsession of not letting diagonals happen
Luna10: without being connected
Luna10: I was like six
Satomi: told you diagonal was so tricky
Satomi: but not in ladder
Satomi: :D
]
))(;B[ed]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: I think this was better to fix
Luna10: yet I was a better player then.........My life is just full of wierdness
]
(;W[gc]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: yeah I was definately a better player when I was six
Satomi: if that happens i'll resign
Satomi: lol
Satomi: hahaha
]
;B[gb]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: :D
dfunkt: this is a ladder
dfunkt: the white stone is caught
Satomi: gracias dfunkt :D
dfunkt: it has one liberty and can never gain more than 1
]
;W[fc]
;B[ec]
;W[fb]
;B[fa]
;W[eb]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: ohh
]
;B[db]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: woot ladder
Satomi: so tricky
]
;W[ea]
;B[da]
)(;W[hb]
;B[gb]
;W[ic]
;B[gc]
;W[dh]
;B[ch]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: Looking back my brother and I broke a lot of rules when we didn't know them
]
;W[ei]
;B[bg]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: Can I friend you guys?
Satomi: c7 :D
]
;W[cc]TR[gb]TR[gc]TR[ed]TR[fd]TR[gd]TR[ee]TR[df]TR[bg]TR[dg]TR[ch]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: hehe
dfunkt: hahahaha.. white can live?  it would be a good fight
Satomi: sure for me but i don't know if dfunkt well :P
Satomi: yeah can live :D
dfunkt: I don't accept friend requests
dfunkt: this blaCK WALL IS VERY STRONG
Satomi: brb
dfunkt: even this 3-3 invasion will die
]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[bd]
;W[db]
;B[ab]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: that's fine.
]
;W[dd]
;B[de]
;W[ec]
;B[cd]
;W[ca]
;B[ea]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: hehe dfunkt was i really the only one in your friend list?
Satomi: LOL
Satomi: hahaha
dfunkt: yes
Satomi: whoaaa
Satomi: what have you done?
Satomi: ohlalalala
dfunkt: I killed the white invader
Satomi: you killed me
Satomi: hahaha
]
)))(;B[fe]
;W[gd]
;B[eh]
;W[fh]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: How are you doing that?
]
;B[fc]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: how am I doing what?
Luna10: never mind, it's probably the controller thing
dfunkt: oh... yes, this is review mode, so I have control since I started the review
dfunkt: I am just fooling around now showing other possibities
Luna10: Do you have any tips that could help me besides the solid lines and ladder
dfunkt: possibilities
dfunkt: try to remember that go is a game of points
dfunkt: not capture
]
))(;B[ge]C[when you have weaknesses play a move that fixes as much as possible


-- chat --
Satomi: in 19x19 board we took 2 hours you know
Luna10: wow
Satomi: our max time was 3 hours hahaha
Luna10: dang
Satomi: just for the review :D
]
))(;B[gf]C[be solid]
))(;B[gf]C[a move like this is more solidly connected if you want to attack immediately

-- chat --
Satomi: i thought of that as one for black to move as knight :D
Luna10: that makes sense
]
)(;B[cg]C[but even better than attacking immediately is taking a corner]
)(;B[ge]LB[ha:1]LB[hb:2]LB[hc:3]LB[hd:4]LB[he:5]C[this is strong
the 2 black stones are not making points yet but they begin to frame up 5th line territory

-- chat --
Satomi: idk
Luna10: what just happened
Satomi: haha
Luna10: okay
Satomi: jeez dfunkt would make another kill
Satomi: haha
Luna10: Like making a wall
Satomi: yup a wall
]
;W[dg]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: and if we go all the way back it started from this solid play by black
dfunkt: black chose to play in the center
dfunkt: so this game will require black to get strong and fight
]
(;B[cf]
;W[cg]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: laptop
]
;B[cc]
;W[gc]C[but you see that white can go on the inside of black's framework
before it gets too solid


-- chat --
Satomi: :3
Luna10: invader
]
;B[he]
;W[fd]C[because now he can poke at weaknesses
]
;B[fe]
;W[ed]
;B[dd]
;W[fb]
;B[hc]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: hold on a sec, I gotta plug my computer in
]
;W[hb]
;B[hd]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: LOL
]
;W[eb]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: thank you
Satomi: computer or laptop?
]
)(;B[fc]TR[gc]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: so if black defends he has a super solid shape and points in the corner
Luna10: okay
dfunkt: there is no more 3-3 invasion
dfunkt: every stone must make 2 eyes to live
Satomi: how can i invade that with a small space?
Satomi: epic
Satomi: haha
dfunkt: so if you surround areas that are too smal to live inside they become territory
Luna10: Suddenly Hikaru No Go makes a lot more sense
]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: play more games and review :)
dfunkt: the white stone will die
Satomi: whoa another fan of HNG
]
;W[gd]
;B[fd]
;W[he]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: i think i knew what you mean dfunkt :P
]
(;B[hd]
;W[hc]
;B[hb]
;W[id]
;B[hf]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: The reason I started playing
Satomi: but i have started with a different one before i encountered that anime :P
]
;W[gf]
;B[fe]
;W[hg]C[unless you are a good reader and your teacher is full of crap


-- chat --
Satomi: haha
]
)(;B[gf]
;W[hf]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: hahaha
]
;B[gg]
;W[hg]
;B[gh]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: oh
]
(;W[hh]C[but
notice what happens if you let the invader live
this huge strong wall is now attacking d3 and f3

-- chat --
Luna10: I am confused
Satomi: but i really prefer how you make that crap dfunkt :D
Luna10: yes
Satomi: i was still learning from it :P
Satomi: XDDD
Luna10: F5?
Satomi: nope your feeding :D
Satomi: oh c5 :3
dfunkt: let's say white played like this
dfunkt: it's black's turn now
dfunkt: so here in this position
dfunkt: white has a living group and 4 or 5 points
dfunkt: but black has a wall and the potential to make many points with it in the top left and also the chance to kill white stone in the bottom left
Luna10: all of them?
dfunkt: so when we think of the balance between power and terrtory, black as all the power
Luna10: okay
dfunkt: the white stones on the left are sealed in.  they do not affect the right side any more
dfunkt: on the right*  oops
]
(;B[cf]
;W[cg]
;B[bg]
;W[bh]
;B[bf]
;W[eh]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: oh I see 
dfunkt: notice how cramped white is?
Satomi: such cramped :D
dfunkt: he needs 2 eyes in a small space
dfunkt: this is good for black
dfunkt: now we have to read out life and death
dfunkt: to get better at life and death do problems
Satomi: well i think i'll start to be afk now :D
Satomi: hehe
dfunkt: get to know and understand basic shapes and how they can live or die
Satomi: be back in half an hour i think
Luna10: okay 
dfunkt: cya satomi
Satomi: if the connection was still good
dfunkt: we are done
Satomi: hasta luego o/
Luna10: bye
dfunkt: I'm just going on but if you are bored we can quit
Luna10: It's intresting though so no
dfunkt: ok
dfunkt: well, in go there is a balance happening all the time
dfunkt: it's a balance between territory and power
]
)(;B[cg]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: let's say black attacks strongly
]
;W[cf]
;B[bg]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: white's weak points will make this fight hard for him
dfunkt: always be counting liberties
Luna10: the weak points make it hard?
dfunkt: 4 black liberties
Luna10: oh for white
dfunkt: white's stone each have 3 liberties
dfunkt: black 2 stones have 4 liberties
]
;W[df]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: if white fixes the cut
]
;B[dh]TR[bf]TR[eh]TR[ei]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: black can connect with e1
dfunkt: or push with b4
dfunkt: or connect with b2
dfunkt: e2 ooops
]
(;W[eh]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: isn't b4 the better choice?
dfunkt: so let's say white makes sure black cannot connect
Luna10: okay
]
;B[bf]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: then black pushes
]
)(;W[bf]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: if white blocks
]
;B[eh]TR[fi]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: then black connects
Luna10: makes sense now
dfunkt: but there is no point in playing f2 now
Luna10: but it would help black right?
dfunkt: f1 may be good later
dfunkt: the critical thing to note in this position is white needs room for eyes
dfunkt: white is almost completely surrounded
dfunkt: in this position the basic principle is white is nearly surrounded... so play into the open area in a way that helps the weak stones to live
dfunkt: I know you were not white in the game but this made a good illustration of how a black wall can make a group weak 
]
(;W[fh]
(;B[fi]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: i played the extra moves so you can see the connection
]
)(;B[cd]
;W[gi]
;B[eg]
;W[ef]
;B[ff]
;W[fi]
;B[ei]
;W[hi]
;B[bh]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: it gets tricky
dfunkt: the white stones are both attacking and being attacked
dfunkt: now is when we have to know the liberty count
dfunkt: who lives and who dies is a matter of who has more liberties
dfunkt: so
dfunkt: here we can already say black is alive
dfunkt: there is no way to kill
]
(;W[ci]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: this is the vital point in black's shape
dfunkt: c1
dfunkt: if black plays it the group is alive, right?
Luna10: the two eye thing
dfunkt: so if white plays the vital point
]
(;B[be]
;W[af]
;B[ae]
;W[ch]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: and get's the followup move
dfunkt: the e2 stones are captured
]
)(;B[ch]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: so black has to connect
dfunkt: it's a forcing move
]
)(;B[bi]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: or he can tak a liberty
dfunkt: this also captures the white stone
]
(;W[ch]
;B[di]
)(;W[bd]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: and now the white stones need more liberties
dfunkt: they are going to die anyany though
]
;B[bc]
;W[ag]
;B[ah]TR[ai]TR[ci]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: because black can live this way
Luna10: d1?
dfunkt: 2 eyes again
]
(;W[di]
;B[ch]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: alive
]
)(;W[ch]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: got it
]
;B[di]
;W[ch]
;B[ci]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: alive
]
))))(;W[bd]
;B[ci]TR[ch]TR[di]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: 2 eyes
Luna10: oh 
dfunkt: both moves are illegal for white so the group cannot be captured
]
)))(;W[cc]TR[fh]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: white maust run toward the open area and look for room to make eyes
Luna10: there isn't?
Luna10: oh
dfunkt: one of the hardest things for a beginner to learn is when to attack weakness
dfunkt: timing
Luna10: I thought it was setting traps
dfunkt: f2 is a weakness
dfunkt: but for white to play it now accomplishes nothing
dfunkt: so that whole other fight is poinless
dfunkt: white needs eyespace for the weak stones
Luna10: alright
dfunkt: I know you are not ready to read that deeply
dfunkt: but it will come
dfunkt: think basic principles and you don't have to read so deep
]
)(;W[fi]
;B[fh]
;W[gi]
))))(;W[hb]
;B[fb]TR[dg]TR[fg]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: if the 2 white stones do not get more space to live fast black can kill them
Luna10: oh
Satomi: it can attack through c4 i think
]
;W[cf]
;B[ce]C[

-- chat --
Luna10: how is it attacking d3
]
)))))(;B[dd]C[here you favor one corner
playing asymmetrical moves creates more possibilities

-- chat --
Satomi: :D
Satomi: haha 
Satomi: jeez what a convo in the main chat hahaha
Luna10: I see how that would help
]
)(;B[dc]C[

-- chat --
Satomi: so bad i mean
Satomi: haha
Luna10: why?
]
;W[cf]
;B[gd]C[think about framing up area 

-- chat --
Satomi: i think i would start being so suck at go :(
]
)(;B[cc]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: if black starts in a corner
dfunkt: the game will be more territorial
]
;W[fc]
;B[cg]
;W[gg]
;B[ge]
;W[fe]
;B[gf]
;W[ff]
;B[hg]
)(;B[ha]
;AE[ha]
;AB[hb]
;AB[ha]
;AE[ha]
;AB[ga]
;AB[gb]
;AB[hc]
;AB[ic]
;AB[ia]
;AB[hi]
;AB[hh]
;AB[gh]
;AB[fh]
;AB[fi]
;AB[eh]
;AB[dh]
;AB[di]
;AB[bf]
;AB[be]
;AB[bd]
;AB[cd]
;AB[cf]
;AB[de]
;AB[ee]
;AB[ed]
;AB[ec]
;AB[dc]C[

-- chat --
dfunkt: 3 groups
dfunkt: imagine they are all surrounded by white stones
dfunkt: they are alive
dfunkt: notice how many stones it took for life in the corner vs side vs center
dfunkt: it is much harder to live in the center
dfunkt: because it requires more space
dfunkt: all 3 groups are 2 points of territory.
dfunkt: so obviously the corner is most efficient
Luna10: keep to the corners?
dfunkt: well
dfunkt: typically, especially on a larger board we tend to open in corners first, then play sides, then center
dfunkt: on 9x9 it' really not go but more of a fighting exercise
Luna10: thank you
dfunkt: your welcome
dfunkt: goodnight and good luck
Luna10: I feel a need - don't know why - to clartify that even though I've known and played go since I was five, I didn't learn the rules until two days ago. Kinda sad now that I think about it
dfunkt: you have started earlier than me
dfunkt: I started 3 years ago and I'm 45
Luna10: Not really, as i mentioned I didn't learn the rules until two days ago
Luna10: I'm chinese. My grandfather played it a little
dfunkt: life and death practice problems will help a lot
dfunkt: there is a good collection at tasaki.org
Luna10: Once again, thank you and good night. I'm going to go check it out.
dfunkt: oh.. got the wrong url
dfunkt: search google for cho chikun life and death
Luna10: okay
dfunkt: cya
Luna10: bye
]
))