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CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2014-03-18]
GN[]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/13952]
PB[dfunkt]
PW[Tzadkiel]
BR[8k]
WR[1k]
TM[259200]OT[86400 fischer]
RE[W+0.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]

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dfunkt: this was joseki
]
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Migaki: Mhhm
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ochibi: yeah saw it when i was searching for josekis
dfunkt: and here i am focusing on white's weak group
dfunkt: my direction of play comes from my weak group
Migaki: yep
dfunkt: both are playable but e4 is not severe
dfunkt: if I go in to reduce
ochibi: uhhuh
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ochibi: rather than d4 can u try e4?
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ochibi: e7 maybe?
]
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ochibi: then instead of e3 
ochibi: how about a jump?
ochibi: into the center
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dfunkt: but as we see in review my followup was wrong direction
ochibi: yeap 
ochibi: should push towards the wall
ochibi: how do i pass back ctrl?
dfunkt: this is the essence of learning about strong and weak groups
dfunkt: the strength of groups determines the direction of play
ochibi: i would love to play a game with u next time! ^^ 
ochibi: with migaki too if possible!
dfunkt: well, we can do that
dfunkt: but right now I am going to relax with a movie
ochibi: not now too
Migaki: ^^
ochibi: i need sleep :)
dfunkt: pass control by clicking on my name in the player list
Migaki: Have a good one ochibi!
ochibi: ahh icic 
dfunkt: ok
ochibi: haha thanks :) 
ochibi: well gtg! 
dfunkt: have a good night all
ochibi: hope to see you two tmr 
ochibi: see ya!
Migaki: Likewise dfunkt, thanks again!
]
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ochibi: i see 
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ochibi: oh ok
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dfunkt: you have control
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ochibi: smt like this?
dfunkt: now white can push along the 3rd line
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dfunkt: and connect to k4
ochibi: icic
]
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dfunkt: I want to contact white ( in this case a diagonal contact) to get strong fast
dfunkt: where?
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dfunkt: like this?
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dfunkt: now the marked stone is my target but it's also exactly where I want to play next
dfunkt: and my shape has a weak point
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ochibi: not looking good :X
dfunkt: so white can make me run
dfunkt: while white gets stronger
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dfunkt: and then white can take profit
ochibi: i was actually talking about 
]
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dfunkt: this was your question?
ochibi: yeah
dfunkt: this start the taisha joseki
ochibi: taisha?
dfunkt: it is the most complicated joseki in go with thousands of variants
ochibi: wow.. okay haha
dfunkt: I avoided it with f17
ochibi: just thought it might be good to prevent w from getting the influence at the side
ochibi: icic :) 
dfunkt: I can't even begin to show you the sequences because there are too many and it gets very complicated
Migaki: Hm...I apologize that I'm not as knowledge as you two, but I've heard of taisha only once before..
ochibi: ^sometimes its good to play out of the joseki xD
Migaki: RobertT was doing a review on it and they spent hours just reviewing what was 'taisha'
ochibi: migaki: i have never heard of taisha :X
dfunkt: the most complicated joseki are taisha, small avalanche, and large avalanche
Migaki: Wow..
ochibi: small? large?
]
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dfunkt: geez, It's been a while
dfunkt: I can'
dfunkt: t remember how it begins
dfunkt: can't
ochibi: its ok:)
]
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ochibi: i play go by instinct anyway >< so all these josekis...
]
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dfunkt: yeah
dfunkt: it's too early for you to learn joseki
Migaki: So, if I ay ask, there's obviously different kinds of josekis..taisha is just one..
dfunkt: except for basic ones
Migaki: *may
Migaki: ?
]
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ochibi: this i know
ochibi: haha
dfunkt: this is a joseki
ochibi: at the very least xD
Migaki: right
]
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dfunkt: that is another
dfunkt: there are also whole board joseki
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ochibi: too many 
ochibi: haha 
dfunkt: this is the low chinese opening
Migaki: ah, alright..I'll look into them simply because I'd like to just look over some
dfunkt: the followup for white is considered joseki too
ochibi: df u study joseki a lot?
dfunkt: no, but I did for a while
ochibi: icic
dfunkt: now I just try to learn to fight
dfunkt: :)
ochibi: im trying to... play more :)
dfunkt: my focus at my level is on group strength
]
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