(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
GN[French Open Championship - Round 3 - Jérôme Salignon (W) vs Thomas Debarre (B)]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/181085]
PB[Thomas Debarre]
PW[Jérôme Salignon]
BR[6d]
WR[5d]
OT[Error: time control missing]
RE[?]
SZ[19]
KM[7.5]
RU[AGA]
C[

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Lemurek: Thanks and GG. From move 0: 
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(;B[mg]
;W[mh]
)(;B[ko]
)(;B[cp]C[French Open Championship, Thomas Debarre 6d Black vs Jérôme  Salignon 5d White, In Grenoble, 1h15 +]
(;W[od]
)(;W[pd]
;B[dc]
;W[pq]
;B[po]
;W[qo]C[AAA]
;B[pp]C[

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ragoudvo: Les deux joueurs logent au même endroit et sont donc arrivés avec le même retard :-) (faible)
]
;W[qp]C[I]
;B[oq]
;W[pn]
;B[qq]
;W[pr]
;B[rq]
;W[or]
;B[np]
;W[nq]
;B[qn]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[no]
;B[on]
;W[mp]
;B[pm]C[

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ffgscribe4: in Grenoble
ffgscribe4: French Open Championship, Thomas Debarre 6d Black vs Jérôme Silignon 5d White
]
;W[ep]
;B[eq]
;W[fq]
;B[dq]
;W[fp]
;B[cn]
;W[em]C[

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ragoudvo: picture of the game https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq2Y2QVXEAArJMj.jpg
]
;B[mm]
;W[qg]
;B[lo]
;W[jp]
;B[dl]
;W[jc]
;B[qc]
;W[pc]
;B[qd]
;W[pe]
;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[qe]C[

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ffgscribe4: Black finds the way to live in corner
]
;W[pf]
;B[qf]
;W[ph]C[

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Fenring.: bah,c'était pas verrouillé,normal,non?
]
;B[de]
;W[qb]
;B[rb]
;W[pb]
;B[rg]
;W[rh]
;B[sf]
;W[cg]C[

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ffgscribe4: J'espère que White peut tuer Black, mais c'est bien verrouillé
]
;B[ci]
;W[cd]
;B[ce]
;W[cc]C[

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knodikap: Bonjour, est-ce que le tirage de la ronde 3 est disponible?
]
;B[dd]
;W[be]
;B[bf]
;W[bd]
;B[cf]
;W[db]
;B[eb]
;W[bb]
;B[da]
;W[cb]
;B[je]C[

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Halibut: heh, two big walls glaring at each other
gofrit: hum Thomas a du gros cash solide
ffgscribe4: Je ne suis pas sûr, normalement on a envoyé les matchs
gofrit: @knodikap je suis aller sur le site web, il y a les résultats après la R2 mais pas le tirage R3
ffgscribe4: c'est aujourd'hui le R3 
ffgscribe4: Thomas est content, difficile pour Jérôme
ffgscribe4: Il constate qu'il est perdu
]
;W[hc]
;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[kd]
;W[lc]
;B[ld]
;W[mc]
;B[ge]C[

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ragoudvo: le tirage est visible sur http://cdf.jeudego.org/rondes-et-resultats/resultats-2016/
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;W[fk]
;B[jo]
;W[kp]C[

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knodikap: merci ragoudvo
]
;B[ek]
;W[fj]
;B[fl]
;W[gl]
;B[el]
;W[hk]
;B[io]
;W[ip]
;B[gn]
;W[do]C[Essayer de connecter]
;B[fm]C[Noir coupe la connnection, ça fait mal pour blanc]
;W[ii]
;B[fh]
;W[gd]
;B[fd]
;W[ki]
;B[qi]
;W[qh]
;B[qk]
;W[he]
;B[hd]
;W[ie]
;B[jd]
;W[gc]C[

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Lemurek: nice cut from w
]
;B[ig]
(;W[gh]
;B[kc]
;W[kb]
;B[lb]
;W[jb]
;B[gf]
;W[ei]
;B[md]
;W[nc]
;B[eh]
;W[co]
;B[bo]C[

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ffgscribe4: He wants to go inside backs maybe
]
;W[fc]
;B[ec]
;W[fg]
;B[eg]
;W[di]
;B[ch]
;W[gg]C[Would that helps, White has many stones ready in hand]
;B[ff]
;W[fi]
;B[hg]
;W[kl]
;B[il]
;W[ik]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]C[

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ffgscribe4: White had so many stones in hand
]
;B[er]
;W[hq]C[

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ffgscribe4: Now Black prepares stones
]
;B[ri]
;W[si]
;B[sg]
;W[sh]
;B[rj]
;W[ra]
;B[sb]
;W[bp]C[

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gofrit: tricky
]
;B[bq]
;W[rr]
;B[mk]
;W[qr]
;B[ro]
;W[sq]
;B[rp]C[

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ffgscribe4: No, they plays R149
]
;W[nj]
;B[jl]
;W[kk]
;B[km]
;W[mf]
;B[mj]
;W[ni]
;B[mi]
;W[mh]
;B[lh]
;W[hh]
;B[mg]
;W[nh]
;B[lg]
;W[ng]
;B[ll]
;W[hl]
;B[jj]
;W[jk]
;B[kj]
;W[ji]
;B[li]
;W[ij]
;B[lj]
;W[hn]
;B[ho]
;W[gj]C[

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ffgscribe4: they're laughin
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;B[nd]
;W[go]C[

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ffgscribe4: new period of byoyomi for jerome, thomas tells him "you're serene" 
]
;B[fo]
;W[gp]C[

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ffgscribe4: now thomas says "ça sent l'arnaque"`
]
;B[dn]
;W[en]
;B[fn]
;W[eo]
;B[dj]
;W[jm]
;B[im]
;W[in]
;B[jn]
;W[hm]
;B[jm]
;W[bn]
;B[ap]
;W[dm]C[

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ffgscribe4: thomas : "i don't know"
ffgscribe4: jérôme : "I do"
]
;B[cm]
;W[cl]C[

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gofrit: 2 liberté extérieur sur E8 cela me parait peu probable
]
;B[bm]C[

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Halibut: B +10
]
;W[bg]C[

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ffgscribe4: jérôme : "don't try to read, it works"
gofrit: ah cest ça qu'il veut... exploiter la coupe en D10 et la faiblesse en E14... 
ffgscribe4: jérôme : "it's ok you're still ahead"
]
;B[dg]
;W[bl]
;B[an]
;W[af]
;B[bh]
;W[ag]C[

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Lemurek: Hehh, connection is in place, but corner becomes a ko
]
;B[ae]
;W[ad]C[

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ffgscribe4: thomas "ok you were afraid"
]
;B[ah]
;W[ae]
;B[ab]C[

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ffgscribe4: jérôme :"*******"
gofrit: :)
ffgscribe4: (he's angry)
]
;W[ca]
;B[ac]C[

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cadrach: we believe :)
]
;W[aa]
;B[ba]
;W[ea]C[

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gofrit: good damn good for black this one
ffgscribe4: thomas : "allez la"
]
;B[fb]C[

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Lemurek: There is one more trick to it though :)
]
(;W[gb]
;B[fa]
;W[cj]
;B[ck]
;W[bj]
;B[bk]
;W[ej]
;B[dk]
;W[dh]
;B[aj]
;W[ef]
;B[df]
;W[ee]
;B[ed]
;W[ga]C[

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Lemurek: Double ko!. From move 0: C4 Q16 D17 Q3 Q5 R5 Q4 R4 P3 Q6 R3 Q2 S3 P2 O4 O3 R6 P4 P5 O5 P6 N4 Q7 E4 E3 F3 D3 F4 C6 E7 N7 R13 M5 K4 D8 K17 R17 Q17 R16 Q15 S15 S14 R15 Q14 R14 Q12 D15 R18 S18 Q18 S13 S12 T14 C13 C11 C16 C15 C17 D16 B15 B14 B16 C14 D18 E18 B18 D19 C18 K15 H17 J16 J17 L16 M17 M16 N17 G15 F9 K5 L4 E9 F10 F8 G8 E8 H9 J5 J4 G6 D5 F7 J11 F12 G16 F16 L11 R11 R12 R9 H15 H16 J15 K16 G17 J13 G12 L17 L18 M18 K18 G14 E11 N16 O17 E12 C5 B5 F17 E17 F13 E13 D11 C12 G13 F14 F11 H13 L8 J8 J9 F2 G2 E2 H3 S11 T11 T13 T12 S10 S19 T18 B4 B3 S2 N9 R2 S5 T3 S4 O10 K8 L9 L7 N14 N10 O11 N11 N12 M12 H12 N13 O12 M13 O13 M8 H8 K10 K9 L10 K11 M11 J10 M10 H6 H5 G10 O16 G5 F5 G4 D6 E6 F6 E5 D10 K7 J7 J6 K6 H7 K7 B6 A4 D7 C7 C8 B7 B13 D13 B8 A6 A14 B12 A13 A15 A16 A12 A15 A18 C19 A17 A19 B19 E19 F18 G18 F19 C10 C9 B10 B9 E10 D9 D12 A10 E14 D14 E15 E16 G19 
]
)(;W[aa]
;B[hp]
;W[ir]C[

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gofrit: french rule, double ko =superko
]
;B[ba]
;W[sd]
;B[rd]
;W[aa]C[

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gofrit: you couldn't return in a game's state who was already happened
cadrach: so it is a ko in which playing ko is prohibited?
]
;B[dp]
;W[gq]
;B[ba]C[

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gofrit: so... double ko, triple ko quadruple ko could'nt stop a game
]
;W[gb]
;B[fa]
;W[aa]
;B[ga]
;W[ha]
;B[ba]C[

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cadrach: ah i think i get it now...
gofrit: with this rule, you have the obligation to play until the end and so a ko could be ended
]
;W[dh]C[

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ffgscribe4: ouch
ffgscribe4: big mistake by thomas
]
;B[da]
;W[aa]C[

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gofrit: but here it's it could be 4L in the corners 
]
;B[bj]
;W[ef]
;B[df]
;W[ee]C[

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gofrit: ouch
]
;B[ia]
;W[hb]
;B[fe]C[

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ffgscribe4: they're kibbitzing every move
ffgscribe4: which is funny but a bit tricky
ffgscribe4: especially from jérôme ;)
gofrit: he's own style
Halibut: we must protest. they usurp our job ;)
cadrach: what time the next round is scheduled?
ffgscribe4: probably in an hour
ffgscribe4: 13h30 here
cadrach: ok, nice, so i`ll watch :)
gofrit: What do you think about black N19 ? in ko threat ...
]
;W[bc]
;B[oc]
;W[mb]C[

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cadrach: as a ko threat it`s working
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;B[od]
;W[ob]
;B[lf]
;W[nf]
;B[ok]
;W[nk]
;B[nl]
;W[ko]C[

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cadrach: p17 has the advantage of not being a lost point, which n19 would have been
]
;B[mo]
;W[nn]
;B[oj]C[

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AndéolEvain: I count black in advance by about 8 points. Do you guys get the same?
]
;W[pj]
;B[pi]
;W[oi]
;B[pk]
;W[sj]
;B[sk]
;W[ej]C[

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AndéolEvain: ty Scribe, and congrats to the players
]
;B[dk]
;W[jg]
;B[jf]
;W[nm]
;B[om]
;W[kn]
;B[lm]
;W[kg]C[

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cadrach: i count +4/5 for b
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;B[kf]
;W[oe]
;B[sp]
;W[sr]
;B[mn]
;W[np]
;B[lp]
;W[lq]
;B[gs]
;W[hs]
;B[fs]
;W[me]
;B[kh]
;W[jh]
;B[lk]
;W[le]C[

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Lemurek: It's closer to ~10 
]
;B[ed]
;W[ea]
;B[qa]
;W[pa]
;B[da]
;W[ol]C[

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AndéolEvain: yeah, I got b+10 on second count
]
;B[pl]
;W[ea]
;B[ab]C[

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gofrit: Komi is 7.5 :)
]
;W[ac]
;B[da]
;W[rk]
;B[rl]
;W[ea]
;B[nb]
;W[na]
;B[da]C[

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Lemurek: then it's 9.5
]
;W[sl]
;B[sm]
;W[ea]
;B[ma]
;W[la]
;B[da]C[

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Lemurek: but don't take my word on it :D
]
;W[gm]C[

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AndéolEvain: Bluff?
]
;B[ea]C[

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gofrit: considering like bluff by Thomas
ffgscribe4: oui
Takamusan: What about B9 ?
gofrit: not working
ffgscribe4: one eye - no eye
]
;W[qa]
;B[se]
;W[ne]
;B[ln]
;W[ke]
;B[ih]
;W[sa]C[thomas passes
jerome passesthomas passes
jerome passres
thomas won by 9,5 points

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ffgscribe4: thomas passes
ffgscribe4: and jérôme too
ffgscribe4: they're counting right now
ffgscribe4: thomas won by 9,5 points
rekin2: ogs not easy to watch!. From move 0: C4 Q16 D17 Q3 Q5 R5 Q4 R4 P3 Q6 R3 Q2 S3 P2 O4 O3 R6 P4 P5 O5 P6 N4 Q7 E4 E3 F3 D3 F4 C6 E7 N7 R13 M5 K4 D8 K17 R17 Q17 R16 Q15 S15 S14 R15 Q14 R14 Q12 D15 R18 S18 Q18 S13 S12 T14 C13 C11 C16 C15 C17 D16 B15 B14 B16 C14 D18 E18 B18 D19 C18 K15 H17 J16 J17 L16 M17 M16 N17 G15 F9 K5 L4 E9 F10 F8 G8 E8 H9 J5 J4 G6 D5 F7 J11 F12 G16 F16 L11 R11 R12 R9 H15 H16 J15 K16 G17 J13 G12 L17 L18 M18 K18 G14 E11 N16 O17 E12 C5 B5 F17 E17 F13 E13 D11 C12 G13 F14 F11 H13 L8 J8 J9 F2 G2 E2 H3 S11 T11 T13 T12 S10 S19 T18 B4 B3 S2 N9 R2 S5 T3 S4 O10 K8 L9 L7 N14 N10 O11 N11 N12 M12 H12 N13 O12 M13 O13 M8 H8 K10 K9 L10 K11 M11 J10 M10 H6 H5 G10 O16 G5 F5 G4 D6 E6 F6 E5 D10 K7 J7 J6 K6 H7 K7 B6 A4 D7 C7 C8 B7 B13 D13 B8 A6 A14 B12 A13 A15 A16 A12 A15 A18 C19 A17 A19 B19 E19 F18 A19 H4 J2 B19 T16 S16 A19 D4 G3 B19 G18 F19 A19 G19 H19 B19 D12 D19 A19 B10 E14 D14 E15 J19 H18 F15 B17 P17 N18 P16 P18 M14 O14 P9 O9 O8 L5 N5 O6 P10 Q10 Q11 P11 Q9 T10 T9 E10 D9 K13 K14 O7 P7 L6 M7 L13 L14 P15 T4 T2 N6 O4 M4 M3 G1 H1 F1 N15 L12 K12 M9 M15 E16 E19 R19 Q19 D19 P8 Q8 E19 A18 A17 D19 S9 S8 E19 O18 O19 D19 T8 T7 E19 N19 M19 D19 G7 E19 R19 T15 O15 M6 L15 J12 T19 
gofrit: why rekin2 ?
Halibut: cos you have to  scroll to see the board then the comments
gofrit: you have a small screen ?
gofrit: I have all one, so no problem to me...
]
))(;W[gf]
;B[fe]
;W[hg]
;B[if]
;W[hf]
;B[hh]
;W[ih]
;B[hi]
;W[jg]
;B[jf]
;W[hj]C[

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rekin2: not new move ?. From move 0: C4 Q16 D17 Q3 Q5 R5 Q4 R4 P3 Q6 R3 Q2 S3 P2 O4 O3 R6 P4 P5 O5 P6 N4 Q7 E4 E3 F3 D3 F4 C6 E7 N7 R13 M5 K4 D8 K17 R17 Q17 R16 Q15 S15 S14 R15 Q14 R14 Q12 D15 R18 S18 Q18 S13 S12 T14 C13 C11 C16 C15 C17 D16 B15 B14 B16 C14 D18 E18 B18 D19 C18 K15 H17 J16 J17 L16 M17 M16 N17 G15 F9 K5 L4 E9 F10 F8 G8 E8 H9 J5 J4 G6 D5 F7 J11 F12 G16 F16 L11 R11 R12 R9 H15 H16 J15 K16 G17 J13 G14 F15 H13 J14 H14 H12 J12 H11 K13 K14 H10 
rekin2: not new move ?. From move 0: C4 Q16 D17 Q3 Q5 R5 Q4 R4 P3 Q6 R3 Q2 S3 P2 O4 O3 R6 P4 P5 O5 P6 N4 Q7 E4 E3 F3 D3 F4 C6 E7 N7 R13 M5 K4 D8 K17 R17 Q17 R16 Q15 S15 S14 R15 Q14 R14 Q12 D15 R18 S18 Q18 S13 S12 T14 C13 C11 C16 C15 C17 D16 B15 B14 B16 C14 D18 E18 B18 D19 C18 K15 H17 J16 J17 L16 M17 M16 N17 G15 F9 K5 L4 E9 F10 F8 G8 E8 H9 J5 J4 G6 D5 F7 J11 F12 G16 F16 L11 R11 R12 R9 H15 H16 J15 K16 G17 J13 G14 F15 H13 J14 H14 H12 J12 H11 K13 K14 H10 
ffgscribe4: which means "it's tricky"
cadrach: what is super ko?
]
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