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CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
GN[French Open Championship - Round 4 - Thomas Debarre (W) vs Dai Junfu (B)]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/181129]
PB[Dai Junfu]
PW[Thomas Debarre]
BR[7d]
WR[6d]
OT[Error: time control missing]
RE[?]
SZ[19]
KM[7.5]
RU[AGA]

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ffgscribe1: Open French Championship , Dai Junfu 7d Black vs Thomas Debarre 6d White
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cadrach: can you give us link to the results, please?
cadrach: I hope white will give a lesson to black ;)
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GaijinFizz: http://cdf.jeudego.org/rondes-et-resultats/resultats-2016/
cadrach: thanks 
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Wise: chinese rules?
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lichigo: french
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ffgscribe1: It seems hard for White
cadrach: why?
Mnémé: thanks a lot for the replay ffgscribe
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ffgscribe1: I'm not sure
cadrach: P9 will be a burden if black now or soon tenuki to secure l16
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cadrach: :)
cadrach: i admire white decision :)
ffgscribe1: that's true
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mocramis: white isn't strong enough though :s
mocramis: his top righ group isn't alive yet which means he now has to cancel the attack :s
cadrach: yes, but if those stones were not attacked Thomas would have ended up like opponent of Dai in the last game (similar situation when Dai made his opponent overconcentrated in the first 30 moves)
cadrach: anyhow defending s5 was out of question at this point
mocramis: yeah, but know the group's weakness prevents thomas from invading around L16 :s
cadrach: and it`s better to attack N9 than to start another brawl in L16 :)
cadrach: we will see
cadrach: i believe Thomas will get L16 as well :)
cadrach: (or L17 as it is better for white)
Sunako: Dai est pas censé être 8d ?
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ragoudvo: si, mais OGS ne permet pas de le mettre 8d :)
AndéolEvain: It's over 9000!
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mocramis: pas un grand fan du resultat de thomas :s
mocramis: j'ai l'impression que dai peut L17 sans top avoir a s'inqueter pour son groupe
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cadrach: i think this move is to prepare s12
cadrach: with s12 in reserve perhaps black can take m16 
cadrach: i do not know :)
mocramis: i agree
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cadrach: and Thomas agreed as well... :)
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mocramis: now dai ha already one sente eye
mocramis: really think he will be able to L17
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cadrach: white r10 is ok, i would not say black is secure now
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mocramis: but white need to protect back P14 at some point
cadrach: difficult
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mocramis: to be honest there is still a redeeming factor for white
mocramis: D7 id not stable yet
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mocramis: maybe white can get some pressure on it while attacking P9
joerg: with C14 and not C13 it isn't too bad
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mocramis: yeah thats  why white needs additional stones
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cadrach: m4 might cause trouble for white low group so he needs these additional stones in few points :)
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strong25k: est ce que je pourrais avoir le lien avec les resultats?
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ffgscribe1: Le lien est en haut
mimano: http://cdf.jeudego.org/rondes-et-resultats/resultats-2016/
Grey28: Bonjour
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Mnémé: looks like it will be hard to do something good for white now
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cadrach: he still has free move either in r17, p17 or n17 
cadrach: maybe he can pull out something from the top
cadrach: if (big if) m4 does not win the game for black :)
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joerg: s14 (esp. if black pulls in with s15 as well) kills almost all the corner aji
cadrach: yeah :(
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joerg: interesting
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cadrach: i wonder how bad our kyu perspective is and if stronger players (or Thomas himself for that matter) consider this still as a game for white.
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hellhuman: why is thomas listed 6d?
cadrach: it`s worth noticing that black center still does not have eyes, so there is hope for a kill :)
joerg: gote eye only
joerg: but with m7-9 it should be pretty easy to either make a second one or connect out
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cadrach: L6 to go for killing :)
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ffgscribe1: could you show the sequences ?
Lemurek: L6 for B or L6 for W?
joerg: I don't think white can ignore l6, giving up n7 would be too much and s6 is severe
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joerg: w l6 b k7 ?
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cadrach: i meant white L6
joerg: can't be as bad as opening the alpha go matches even on a modern computer was
joerg: yeah, the only question is if just being alive now kills more potential for w
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cadrach: ops, thanks Lemurek
cadrach: i overlooked that very tiny detail of O7 cut
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cadrach: ;)
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Lemurek: It's good to post the variations, as relayers are tempted to watch them. In turn everybody watches your variant :D
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Lemurek: Not sure if that's a bug or a feature :)
cadrach: i know, but my laptop is very old and slow, so before i prepare variation, situation is completely different
cadrach: it is a feature of realyers :)
cadrach: *relayers
ffgscribe1: j5 nearly dame acording to dai
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Lemurek: Anyway I think that variant was better for W. He isn't getting anywhere chasing the black group
cadrach: true
Lemurek: and with K5/l6 in place he could look into harrasing left side
Lemurek: and soon he'll have to come back and connect @ L5. Also when B group is alive N7 stones are like... 10 points ?
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Lemurek: Is now a good time for W k8 ?
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ffgscribe1: so now black lead already
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pagia: So J4 may have proble,
pagia: *problem
ffgscribe1: is this difficult to White ?
Lemurek: I don't think W can finish it quickly like this (feel like this has to end in gote). Which is bad because of too many 'unfinished sequences'
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Lemurek: For example. From move 0: Q16 D16 Q3 D3 D5 C5 C6 C4 F17 C14 D7 G3 C11 D18 J17 R5 R9 P4 P3 O4 O3 N4 M3 R11 P9 R14 R15 Q14 O16 R7 R8 Q7 S4 N9 P11 O14 N11 M14 P13 Q12 Q11 R10 P8 P14 M16 M12 M9 N8 M11 L11 L10 K11 M8 N7 N12 M13 S14 S13 M7 M4 L3 L4 N6 O6 K3 K10 K4 L9 M10 Q10 P10 K5 L6 N5 M6 P7 J7 J5 H4 N3 N2 J4 D4 K7 K8 J8 K6 H7 J6 H6 J9 H8 K9 C2 H5 
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Lemurek: If I was black I would ask with J6 before making life
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Lemurek: It seems that the game will be over in 20 moves
Lemurek: ^^
Lemurek: Bets? :D
pagia: it's too hard for W after J4....
pagia: F5 ,then E2 then B2....
pagia: W is painful
mihai94ro: if b gets sente and plays in upper side it's over 
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mihai94ro: F5
mihai94ro: what happends if b E2 and white cuts...I feel it won't work for white 
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ffgscribe1: après ça c'est fini"
ffgscribe1: thanks for watching
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Lemurek: W got some nice profit ;) W is back to the game 
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ffgscribe1: btw white is in byo yomi, b has still 50 min left
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cadrach: so how much did you bet for resignation in 20 moves?
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joerg: w is still seriously short on points
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cadrach: if he swallow f17 the game looks even
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mihai94ro: b should be careful of some center attack 
joerg: yeah, that's the one big quesiton mark for me
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mihai94ro: B13 not enough for b? 
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Lemurek: not sure what this preparation was for... f15?
ragoudvo: it looks very close to my old eyes
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cadrach: Very close but with few points for black right now. 
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mihai94ro: H3 is becoming huge 
mihai94ro: with F3 before 
Lemurek: I feel like cutting @ H16
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lichigo: black is winning
lichigo: now way white wins
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pagia: gote for W....
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pagia: OK,kill K11 group is enough for B
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Lemurek: I'm not sure about my counting, but it seems that B has 65+ while W is under 50
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Lemurek: on board
Lemurek: + 5 prisoners + komi, still B slightly ahead
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Lemurek: k6?
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lichigo: 10 points for black 
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lichigo: 60 points for white
Lemurek: How much time does B have?
ffgscribe1: 27 min 
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lichigo: 70 points for black
lichigo: black wins by 8-10 points
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Lemurek: J2 looked like a missclick
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Lemurek: R12
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joerg: why not o13 first?
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ffgscribe1: sorry
ffgscribe1: its ok now
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joerg: 13.5
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lichigo: 12 - 13 points for black
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ragoudvo: a few results on the webpage http://cdf.jeudego.org/rondes-et-resultats/resultats-2016/
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ffgscribe1: dsl l'ordre des damés ne sera pas respecté 
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DenisDascalu: whits wins by 15 points
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ffgscribe1: blanc passe en premier
ffgscribe1: B 45 W 31,5
lichigo: impossible white wins by 15 lol
ffgscribe1: Dai wins
lichigo: by ?
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OlivierClaverie: How?
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ffgscribe1: ... ah non !
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ffgscribe1: ils vont trop vite ^^
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pagia: d1. From move 0: Q16 D16 Q3 D3 D5 C5 C6 C4 F17 C14 D7 G3 C11 D18 J17 R5 R9 P4 P3 O4 O3 N4 M3 R11 P9 R14 R15 Q14 O16 R7 R8 Q7 S4 N9 P11 O14 N11 M14 P13 Q12 Q11 R10 P8 P14 M16 M12 M9 N8 M11 L11 L10 K11 M8 N7 N12 M13 S14 S13 M7 M4 L3 L4 N6 O6 K3 K10 K4 L9 M10 Q10 P10 K5 L6 N5 M6 P7 J7 J5 H4 N3 N2 O2 O1 M2 P2 J4 J3 H3 J2 G6 
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pagia: d2. From move 0: Q16 D16 Q3 D3 D5 C5 C6 C4 F17 C14 D7 G3 C11 D18 J17 R5 R9 P4 P3 O4 O3 N4 M3 R11 P9 R14 R15 Q14 O16 R7 R8 Q7 S4 N9 P11 O14 N11 M14 P13 Q12 Q11 R10 P8 P14 M16 M12 M9 N8 M11 L11 L10 K11 M8 N7 N12 M13 S14 S13 M7 M4 L3 L4 N6 O6 K3 K10 K4 L9 M10 Q10 P10 K5 L6 N5 M6 P7 J7 J5 H4 N3 N2 O2 M2 R3 R4 Q4 R2 S5 S3 C8 
pagia: seems not good for B
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ffgscribe1: they say its ko bad for black 
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Lemurek: Like this ?. From move 0: Q16 D16 Q3 D3 D5 C5 C6 C4 F17 C14 D7 G3 C11 D18 J17 R5 R9 P4 P3 O4 O3 N4 M3 R11 P9 R14 R15 Q14 O16 R7 R8 Q7 S4 N9 P11 O14 N11 M14 P13 Q12 Q11 R10 P8 P14 M16 M12 M9 N8 M11 L11 L10 K11 M8 N7 N12 M13 S14 S13 M7 M4 L3 L4 N6 O6 K3 K10 K4 L9 M10 Q10 P10 L6 M6 K5 O7 
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ffgscribe1: W should continue to push
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ffgscribe1: talking about weakness here
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ffgscribe1: Dai dit que c'est logique de jouer ça
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