(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
GN[AG]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/246968]
PB[Ke Jie]
PW[AlphaGo]
BR[9p]
WR[9p]
OT[Error: time control missing]
RE[?]
SZ[19]
KM[7.5]
RU[Chinese]
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gamesorry: 0.5 point
Fumbar: yes
Fumbar: but you have to remember AG counts extremely well and played a few 1 pooint moves when 2 point moves were available
Fumbar: near the very end
Fumbar: yep
Fumbar: and technical confrence tomorrow night
Sollies: 6. From move 0: 
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The Fat Controller: alphago will choose randomly betweem options that offer 100percent chance of victory
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Minions: so is there a way kee would have won?
Minions: asking as a beginner
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Minions: for kee?
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goking1: 1. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 K4 
goking1: 2. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 K4 
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Tokumoto: Ten thinks F12 at move 51 was a mistake.  it's way over my head
Tokumoto: yes
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gamesorry: 3. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 A11 B11 A13 A10 A12 B9 
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Mr.Voo: wow
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Mr.Voo: close as hell 
Jeanno: 1/4 pt
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gamesorry: Aiming for A/B. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 
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journeyk: whats the bet?
gamesorry: Did white play L17 or J17 first?
gamesorry: I missed that
blackgnezdo: This is the first match.
Minions: it is strange I read that people sya alpha go got middle
Minions: but it looks like at move 97 kee got quite nice middle stuff
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Mr.Voo: but i had the feeling that alphago didn't play a perfect endgame. 
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adrianvc: J17
kickaha: myungwan said move 7 lost the game -.-
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Jeanno: doesn't matter really
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pagia: Japanese rule is W+1.5
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gamesorry: thanks
journeyk: whos leading from all the pro here perspective?
gamesorry: Chang Hao: Black needs to do sth about this white's group
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journeyk: that is obvious
pagia: if dragon of white live,black is lose
journeyk: but thinks looking great for kejie in my perspective
pagia: this is the last fight
belitse: @KYU2  you made me laugh in a library
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Fumbar: for what it is worth, Leela has black at 35% chance to win
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pagia: leela often make mistake in complex fight
Fumbar: true, that is why i qualified my statement
pagia: the win rate leela given by leela isn't very precise in fighting
gamesorry: AlphaGo played H13 very quickly, while Chang Hao thinks human player needs to think for a long time here
journeyk: who do you think gonna win gamesorry?
gamesorry: Although I wish Ke Jie wins, but probably AlphaGo has a better chance
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pagia: seems white is live :/
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gamesorry: h14 is not sente now
gamesorry: Right, w is alive
journeyk: so whats the hope for kejie XD?
Fumbar: 404 hope not found
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journeyk: a miraculous invasion ?
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gamesorry: He might need to fight for the komi
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pianoman: Anyone know if there is a stream with Michael Redmond doing commentary? 
ihavenoideawhatimdoing13: https://www.twitch.tv/timeof1
louisflakes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-HL5nppBnM
louisflakes: redmond commentary^
ZPCanGo: the deepmind stream has michael redmond
pianoman: Thank you very much
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journeyk: i think game is even actually
journeyk: there
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pagia: oh,M14,seems black is crashed
journeyk: its offer for trade I think
journeyk: black reduce G7 area and white cut
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pagia: 0.5 or 1.5 = 1/4 stone
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pagia: G7 is very big,but G9 G7 isn't sente
pagia: L12 is being attack 
journeyk: yes
journeyk: its not sente
journeyk: so probably black will play a few more move before finally go to G7 ?
journeyk: but you can tell that game is not as pessimistic as we originally thought
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journeyk: see?
journeyk: ^^
Fumbar: yeah it has remained an interestin game
Fumbar: even redmond said he was worried early on it was going to settle very quickly
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journeyk: now its even agin i think
journeyk: black slightly leading
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journeyk: i guess
pagia: I think black is still lag,cuz C12 group have aji at yose
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journeyk: black eventually has to capture
journeyk: there
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journeyk: i think alpha go losing atm
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ParanormalPancak: wait is this happening now? AND NO ONE TOLD ME
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journeyk: 4. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 P16 R11 R13 S16 R14 R15 Q15 S15 R17 S13 L12 J17 G17 L17 K16 J16 G15 H18 G18 K14 K15 J15 M16 H13 E13 M17 M15 H14 R12 S12 Q11 R10 G9 F16 G16 M14 N14 M13 G7 G6 F6 G5 D8 N5 L8 M5 P5 Q7 P4 Q6 O6 O5 O2 L9 M9 K9 N9 
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Fuseques: if ke jie wins..
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Fuseques: that would be something
journeyk: i think kejie would win
clywzach: what odds would you give him?
journeyk: white is lag behind in territory
Fuseques: i haven't counted
Fuseques: but the flow of the game seems to be going in blacks favor
pagia: W plays at N13 will press the moyo of black
pagia: MOVE 134 N13 then o14
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Fuseques: that being said.. w seems to have alot of territory..
Fuseques: mabye i should count
journeyk: yes
journeyk: you could
journeyk: they seems to do my variation in different order XD
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gamesorry: If white cuts at o5, then q6 becomes sente
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pagia: seems they plays at N13 O14 alreay
pagia: is this demo wrong?
gamesorry: oops, sorry
journeyk: a bit
journeyk: yes
journeyk: N13 ant O15 trade off
Fuseques: w seems to be ahead by a few points to me
Fuseques: very complicated endgame though
gamesorry: Do you know when white played n13?
cdefghij: before M5
LPYoshi: is black winning??
LPYoshi: or is black lower left dead now?
LPYoshi: im counting black has ~50, and white has ~36?
LPYoshi: ahh..
keeperboy000: is this a live review?
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froggystyle: Is there live commentary?
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froggystyle: In English?
Shain: there is a link in chat
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xhu98: OMG
xhu98: Every time the commentators play out a variation, the camera moves away
xhu98: Like wtf
xhu98: I could have streamed better than that
xhu98: Honestly, deepmind
xhu98: +1
xhu98: Fuseques: Oh no, they'll learn all the smacktalk
xhu98: nadoss: I PM'ed you
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gamesorry: thanks
ParanormalPancak: [0:07\] ihavenoideawhatimdoing13: https://www.twitch.tv/timeof1 [0:07\] louisflakes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-HL5nppBnM
froggystyle: Tyvm
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pagia: my count is often wrong,LOL. So my yose is weak
froggystyle: Is match 1 of a series ?
gamesorry: black is alive
froggystyle: Of how many if you don't mind me asking
gamesorry: 1/3
pagia: ok,the aji of D12 is finish ,can count it more precise
froggystyle: Thanks again
gamesorry: w has >45
 Thrawn: Mike Redmond thinks white has about 55.
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gamesorry: Yeah w has potential in the center
Solace: It's annoying me how the commentators are still missing the F16 G16 exchange
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nadoss: xhu98: I just got home from hockey still have to shower the game started late
Fuseques: they should have built a neural network that streams
Fuseques: trained on your youtube data
Solace: then train a corresponding neural network comment generator?
Shouldsee: :Solace: That sounds more realistic
Shain: just train a network that can analyse games in depth and sell it
Fuseques: hmm i should be working..
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Fuseques: i am trying to make a lego robot play the 9th symphony of beethoven
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Fuseques: but it won't play them chords
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pagia: two stone of black in center will live,but w can make his moyo became territory by attack two stone of B
pagia: it's easy to read that W is winning a lot
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journeyk: komi win i think
pagia: yes,7.5 for pro is an huge point
Solace: do you reckon it'll be that close?
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sirius: is top white group still killable?
Solace: not after the next exchange i don't think
pagia: no,W kill two stone of B, it is sure live
pagia: K16 stone of B is killed
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Shouldsee: why the relay is keeping forking?
pagia: click the sync button
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gamesorry: I missed a few moves in the middle
Solace: there's a sync button?
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Shouldsee: @pagia: where is that button exactly?
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pagia: when you are seeing the forking doesn't belongs the actual game,there is a sync button near the "pass" button
Shouldsee: Oh gotcha. Many thanks!
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Solace: ah, so it doesn't show up if you're already synced?
pagia: yes
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bynum: oh nice ogs is relaying it
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journeyk: i think its sad how kejie is behind now
nadoss: I missed the beginning so I really want to go back and watch it but i know it'll drag everyone in the review along with me haha
Solace: it starts with KJ opening 2nd move with 3,3 then 4th move invading with a 3,3. So it was an interesting start
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nadoss: cool
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FGD5000: Nadoss can't you just open an incognito tab or use another browser on the side?
FGD5000: Something you're not logged in with 
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Solace: might distract him from relaying =P
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Solace: what's the komi for white? 7.5?
pagia: AlphaGo still like make slow play and overplay when his is ahead. 
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pagia: yes,the komi is 7.5
nadoss: yeah FGD5000 it'd be too much, I'm still sapped from hockey, just got home not a half hour ago
Solace: That hanae that they mentioned W F8 looks really good
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pagia: but after S5, white is gote, I'm afraid W can't take that point
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journeyk: komi loss by kejie?
journeyk: XD
Solace: gotta say, that's still impressive against the new AG
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nadoss: the dude in the stream is doing a bit in chinese and I want to know what it was because it seems like his partner enjoyed it
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Shain: Solace: who knows, maybe AG is just that strong to force games to this result
gemm: Is the game finished?
Solace: not yet, still in endgame
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Solace: but looks like AG + komi or something
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gemm: fight at top was very impressive
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9*9 Professional: when you see alphago playing safe move u know she is winning
Mr.Voo: i suppose so too
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pagia: C18= good game,next match   LOL
nadoss: "Silly human"
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Solace: "Oh, are we still playing?"
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pagia: AG is attempt to win by 0.5 point,XD
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Fumbar: wants us to keep making it stronger
Solace: R18 is interesting, I must remember that one
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journeyk: you are very pessimistic fumbar lol
journeyk: its more about reading lol
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pagia: r18 make T16 for W is no longer sente
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Fumbar: uhh wants to be stronger so that it can teach us more!!!
pagia: *T17
Solace: yea, I just didn't consider how it affects the hane at T18
Solace: *T17
Fumbar: thanks for the explanation pa
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游智承: dead
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游智承: black now win abit
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游智承: but as white has yose alphago win actually
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Jeanno: komi
Jeanno: not yose
游智承: sorry my english is not pretty well
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Solace: no problem ^_^
gemm: I count like 77 b and 81,5 white
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游智承: go is easy to improve yourself just keep having competition in reallife
游智承: i mean im not a pro player
Shain: i do hope they keep AG alive and playing.
Shouldsee: The relay is lagging
Solace: regardless, they've released the paper on how they developed it, I'm sure it won't be long till people make their own version
Shain: and maybe play a correspondence team match agaist AG
pagia: seems AG is really win by 0.5 point LOL
游智承: yep
游智承: close game 
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Solace: what was the point of H2?
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pagia: just AG think he's sure win,make a lot of slow move,and win 0.5 point at the end
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nadoss: I really hope I didn't miss anything
GoAinue: at what point did alphago start giving up points
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Jeanno: it's hard to say. but #250 is better at A4
Jeanno: 1 point vs 2 points
Jeanno: or maybe T4
Jeanno: T4 is bigger
Shouldsee: On Nature I remember, a mixture of supervised learning, MCTS and reinforcement learning.
Jeanno: D6 is literally 1+0.5+0.25
Shouldsee: But I heard this new version of AG now uses RL only,.
Jeanno: so maybe 1.75 pt
Jeanno: yes gamesorry is right
Jeanno: i don't think a recurrent network helps
Jeanno: no chance
Jeanno: AG is playing whatever it wants
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Fumbar: Solace: they did not release all the information 
Shouldsee: You meant Move 250?
Fumbar: you coudln't make an exact copy at this point
Jeanno: yes, move 250
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Shain: they did release the paper on the old AG
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Shain: and getting the computing power of google might be a challange in itself
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gamesorry: D6 might be worth 1+ points
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Solace: that's interesting, because in the original paper the SL actually outperformed RL because it favoured a broader range of moves which increased the prediction
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Solace: hopefully they elaborate on the new system soon
Shouldsee: Yeah someone needs to confirm the algorithm.
tommy.dew1: what are sl and rl
Shouldsee: SL: supervised learning
Fuseques: wonder if using a recurrent network for go can make sense
Shouldsee: RL: reinforcement learning
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Fuseques: while go positions are techniacally timeless, the flow of the game surely helps humans make sense of it
Fumbar: unless you heard that from a deepmin dsource i wouldn't believe it
Shain: well they had the benefit of checking progress against the old AG. if they needed to, dont know if they measured them against each other
Fumbar: i'm sure they'll talk about it tomorrow at the confrence
Shouldsee: Fumbar: Good point
กู่ลี่เมืองไทย: Kejie want to fight with KO, right?
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gemm: does he still have a chance?
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pagia: seems W+1.5
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Shouldsee: Can't see any potential KO at all
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gemm: +0.5 now
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kitten_reborn: white intentionally went for a half point win?  AI is already condescending
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Jeanno: no, it doesn't matter to alphago
BazzarKim: keji the master 
Shouldsee: I think it is a by-product of how they coded alphago
Jeanno: a win is a win
BazzarKim: Park Junghwan the god
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pagia: when several move for AI is 100% win,I think it will play random move.
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Shain: i do not think it is intentionally going for half point wins as much as it doesnt care about the lead and just wants to improve the winning chance
kitten_reborn: so you say, but my skynet senses tingle when I watch AG play
nadoss: chinese scoring confuses me so much
nadoss: it's just like "let's take everything off this board before scoring"
Shain: https://www.sciencealert.com/google-is-improving-its-artificial-intelligence-with-artificial-intelligence
Shouldsee: Since +0.5 vs +1.0 makes no difference for AG, he will just try to ensure the +. 
kitten_reborn: it's hard to adjust to if you're used to playing japanese, it's true.  >.<
clywzach: wait its only .5 - 1 point game?
kitten_reborn: it's very close.  the gap was wider before start of yose
nadoss: when did redmond stop giving commentary??
nadoss: a friend of mine tried to explain chinese scoring to me
nadoss: unfortunately it was explained partly in chinese
Fumbar: what kind of couting is this??
kitten_reborn: is it as complex as all that?  just fill in the dame and count stones on the board as points, right?
pagia: maybe 1/4 stone win by white in Chinese rule
Shouldsee: Alphago win 1/4 by chinese rule
Fumbar: you can rearrange less complex than that jeez
kitten_reborn: oh, quarter points are things in chinese scoring?  maybe it is more complex than I thought.  >.<
g2far: Hi, everybody. Group tax makes the difference, or does it ?
gamesorry: 1 stone = 2 points
kickaha: its just a halved half point :)
gamesorry: so 1/4 stone = 0.5 point
nadoss: oops sorry I accidentally reloaded the page and gave control back to you gamesorry 
gamesorry: On my screen it still shows you're the controller :)
smog山人: there's group tax? Oo
kitten_reborn: ah, I think I get you now
winterspring: how many points did alphago win by?
Mr.Voo: i think white could save the stones at D11. This is what Redmond said.
Mr.Voo: he could connect from beneath 
Mr.Voo: but maybe he already knew he's winning by 0.5 point xD 
nadoss: so I'm going to go now
nadoss: I was dozing off a bit during endgame
zike10: Was it really only .5?
zike10: The commentators were saying it was more.
Shouldsee: looks there's a conference coming up 
Shouldsee: gotcha
Shouldsee: you meant GMT+0?
Oni: 5:30 gmt +3
Shouldsee: thx
pantepk: 5. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 P16 R11 R13 S16 R14 R15 Q15 S15 R17 S13 L12 J17 G17 L17 K16 J16 G15 H18 G18 K14 K15 J15 M16 H13 E13 M17 M15 H14 R12 S12 Q11 R10 G9 F16 G16 M14 N14 M13 G7 G6 F6 G5 D8 N5 P5 Q7 P4 N13 O14 M5 O6 M7 Q6 D9 C9 C8 E8 B9 B11 M11 J11 D1 D2 H11 J9 K9 J10 N16 N17 L15 N15 L16 P7 M1 N1 L1 O2 O13 P13 E1 C1 F2 E2 F1 B1 H8 Q8 R8 S17 S5 S4 T6 H7 J7 L9 L10 M9 K8 N10 N11 O10 Q9 F7 C6 P8 P9 O11 J12 K11 N18 O18 M18 F15 C18 N4 N7 E18 O19 P19 N19 R18 B10 A11 A10 A13 G8 F9 B8 L13 L14 J18 K18 G19 H19 E16 E17 F17 G14 F14 G10 H9 H12 F10 O5 F3 H2 L8 L7 N6 M6 O8 D18 D19 C19 E19 O4 O3 P10 P11 E6 E7 E5 D7 D6 T4 T5 H6 H5 H17 J19 A5 A6 A4 T17 T18 T16 K13 A16 G12 A15 E15 N8 N9 Q10 B14 O7 P6 H15 J13 L11 K12 F8 K10 F5 H10 G11 M8 K7 M12 N12 M10 J14 H16 
游智承: 1. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 P16 R11 R13 S16 R14 R15 Q15 S15 R17 S13 L12 J17 G17 L17 K16 J16 G15 H18 G18 K14 K15 J15 M16 H13 E13 M17 M15 H14 R12 S12 Q11 R10 G9 F16 G16 M14 N14 M13 G7 G6 F6 G5 D8 N5 P5 Q7 P4 N13 O14 M5 O6 M7 Q6 D9 C9 C8 E8 B9 B11 M11 J11 D1 D2 H11 J9 K9 J10 N16 N17 L15 N15 L16 P7 M1 N1 L1 O2 O13 P13 E1 C1 F2 E2 F1 B1 H8 Q8 R8 S17 S5 S4 T6 H7 J7 L9 L10 M9 K8 N10 N11 O10 Q9 F7 C6 P8 P9 O11 J12 K11 N18 O18 M18 F15 C18 N4 N7 E18 O19 P19 N19 R18 B10 A11 A10 A13 G8 F9 B8 L13 L14 J18 K18 G19 H19 E16 E17 F17 G14 F14 G10 H9 H12 F10 O5 F3 H2 L8 L7 N6 M6 O8 D18 D19 C19 E19 O4 O3 P10 P11 E6 E7 E5 D7 D6 T4 T5 H6 H5 H17 J19 A5 A6 A4 T17 T18 T16 K13 A16 G12 A15 E15 N8 N9 Q10 B14 O7 P6 H15 J13 L11 K12 F8 K10 F5 H10 G11 M8 K7 M12 N12 M10 J14 H16 
Cold❄寒含: hey
Cold❄寒含: who won the game
bynum: w
Cold❄寒含: arh, should be
bynum: not a big margin though. 1/4 stones in chinese rules
Cold❄寒含: human never beats AG 
Cold❄寒含: after Lee Sedol
τετρακόρυμβος: score
pokemonsta433: alphago has 59.5 if I counted well
pokemonsta433: nope I didn't. got 71 for ke jie
gnggo: who won?
safetyfirsthehe: alphago by 0.5p
alexx: If the middle is everything outside of the starpoints, w won because she had 3 points in the middle and b had 7 (points in the middle being less efficient than the corners and sides)
alexx: I wonder if there is a pro game with fewer points in the middle than this game.
alexx: 0,0,0,0,3,7
the_virus: why cant you estimate the score in a review?
Shinkenjoe: i count blackleading 3 points, i dont believe my count though
KYU2: /me sprints into "room"
KYU2: Did I miss it?
KYU2: COME ON!
KYU2: oh well
demosha: There is a lesson to learn from this game
demosha: It looks like the stones can not be placed in the little frames
demosha: This is what I learned
demosha: Thank you
pokemonsta433: wait what sorry?
pokemonsta433: you mean for counting at the end?
pokemonsta433: the_virus it's just not something that's been added to OGS. That's probably because ogs is a really young server
Professor X: I missed the game?
Professor X: I thought it was at two UTC
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τετρακόρυμβος: 7. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 P16 R11 R13 S16 R14 R15 Q15 S15 R17 S13 L12 J17 G17 L17 K16 J16 G15 H18 G18 K14 K15 J15 M16 H13 E13 M17 M15 H14 R12 S12 Q11 R10 G9 F16 G16 M14 N14 M13 G7 G6 F6 G5 D8 N5 P5 Q7 P4 N13 O14 M5 O6 M7 Q6 D9 C9 C8 E8 B9 B11 M11 J11 D1 D2 H11 J9 K9 J10 N16 N17 L15 N15 L16 P7 M1 N1 L1 O2 O13 P13 E1 C1 F2 E2 F1 B1 H8 Q8 R8 S17 S5 S4 T6 H7 J7 L9 L10 M9 K8 N10 N11 O10 Q9 F7 C6 P8 P9 O11 J12 K11 N18 O18 M18 F15 C18 N4 N7 E18 O19 P19 N19 R18 B10 A11 A10 A13 G8 F9 B8 L13 L14 J18 K18 G19 H19 E16 E17 F17 G14 F14 G10 H9 H12 F10 O5 K3 K2 H2 H1 J1 
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gemm: 8. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 P16 R11 R13 S16 R14 R15 Q15 S15 R17 S13 L12 J17 G17 L17 K16 J16 G15 H18 G18 K14 K15 J15 M16 H13 E13 M17 M15 H14 R12 S12 Q11 R10 G9 F16 G16 M14 N14 M13 G7 G6 F6 G5 D8 N5 P5 Q7 P4 N13 O14 M5 O6 M7 Q6 D9 C9 C8 E8 B9 B11 M11 J11 D1 D2 H11 J9 K9 J10 N16 N17 L15 N15 L16 P7 M1 N1 L1 O2 O13 P13 E1 C1 F2 E2 F1 B1 H8 Q8 R8 S17 S5 S4 T6 H7 J7 L9 L10 M9 K8 N10 N11 O10 Q9 F7 C6 P8 P9 O11 J12 K11 N18 O18 M18 F15 C18 N4 N7 E18 O19 P19 N19 R18 B10 A11 A10 A13 G8 F9 B8 L13 L14 J18 K18 G19 H19 E16 E17 F17 G14 F14 G10 H9 H12 F10 O5 K3 J1 
gemm: tetra, white just descend at j1 like this 
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τετρακόρυμβος: 9. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 P16 R11 R13 S16 R14 R15 Q15 S15 R17 S13 L12 J17 G17 L17 K16 J16 G15 H18 G18 K14 K15 J15 M16 H13 E13 M17 M15 H14 R12 S12 Q11 R10 G9 F16 G16 M14 N14 M13 G7 G6 F6 G5 D8 N5 P5 Q7 P4 N13 O14 M5 O6 M7 Q6 D9 C9 C8 E8 B9 B11 M11 J11 D1 D2 H11 J9 K9 J10 N16 N17 L15 N15 L16 P7 M1 N1 L1 O2 O13 P13 E1 C1 F2 E2 F1 B1 H8 Q8 R8 S17 S5 S4 T6 H7 J7 L9 L10 M9 K8 N10 N11 O10 Q9 F7 C6 P8 P9 O11 J12 K11 N18 O18 M18 F15 C18 N4 N7 E18 O19 P19 N19 R18 B10 A11 A10 A13 G8 F9 B8 L13 L14 J18 K18 G19 H19 E16 E17 F17 G14 F14 G10 H9 H12 F10 O5 K3 J1 K2 K1 H2 H1 
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pagia: W is gote. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 P16 R11 R13 S16 R14 R15 Q15 S15 R17 S13 L12 J17 G17 L17 K16 J16 G15 H18 G18 K14 K15 J15 M16 H13 E13 M17 M15 H14 R12 S12 Q11 R10 G9 F16 G16 M14 N14 M13 G7 G6 F6 G5 D8 N5 P5 Q7 P4 N13 O14 M5 O6 M7 Q6 D9 C9 C8 E8 B9 B11 M11 J11 D1 D2 H11 J9 K9 J10 N16 N17 L15 N15 L16 P7 M1 N1 L1 O2 O13 P13 E1 C1 F2 E2 F1 B1 H8 Q8 R8 S17 S5 S4 T6 H7 J7 L9 L10 M9 K8 N10 N11 O10 Q9 F7 C6 P8 P9 O11 J12 K11 N18 O18 M18 F15 C18 N4 N7 E18 O19 P19 N19 R18 T17 T18 T16 
pagia: basic yose method at corner
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pagia: B is gote. From move 0: R16 Q4 C17 C4 O17 F4 R3 Q3 R4 R6 R5 Q5 S6 R2 S2 S7 Q2 P2 Q6 R7 R1 P6 D10 O9 Q12 C12 C14 E12 C11 D15 D14 D17 C16 D16 E14 D11 E11 D12 C10 C15 B15 B14 B13 B16 A14 B17 F11 C7 H3 E9 F12 G3 H4 E10 E3 G2 C3 D4 D3 E4 B4 B12 A12 B5 B3 F13 G13 L4 L5 K5 K6 J6 K4 J5 M4 L3 M3 L2 M2 J2 L6 J8 P3 Q14 O12 S14 P16 R11 R13 S16 R14 R15 Q15 S15 R17 S13 L12 J17 G17 L17 K16 J16 G15 H18 G18 K14 K15 J15 M16 H13 E13 M17 M15 H14 R12 S12 Q11 R10 G9 F16 G16 M14 N14 M13 G7 G6 F6 G5 D8 N5 P5 Q7 P4 N13 O14 M5 O6 M7 Q6 D9 C9 C8 E8 B9 B11 M11 J11 D1 D2 H11 J9 K9 J10 N16 N17 L15 N15 L16 P7 M1 N1 L1 O2 O13 P13 E1 C1 F2 E2 F1 B1 H8 Q8 R8 S17 S5 S4 T6 H7 J7 L9 L10 M9 K8 N10 N11 O10 Q9 F7 C6 P8 P9 O11 J12 K11 N18 O18 M18 F15 C18 N4 N7 E18 O19 P19 N19 P18 T17 T18 T16 S19 
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