(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2020-04-16]
GN[Friendly Match]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/464768]
PB[manveru]
PW[ldlework]
BR[5k]
WR[7k]
TM[3600]OT[1800 fischer]
RE[W+19.5]
SZ[9]
KM[5.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[

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ldlework: cole don't jump around
ldlework: :)
cole_h: o7
]
;B[fd]
;W[cg]C[

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ldlework: manveru is black
ldlework: watch how they win the game after just 3 moves
]
;B[fg]
;W[dd]C[

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ldlework: B8 is very low, on the second line in both directions
ldlework: white is marking out the left side
ldlework: so any move we make
ldlework: wants to expand it in black's direction
ldlework: do you see the direction of play?
]
(;B[dh]
;W[ch]
;B[ec]C[

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ldlework: I was like
ldlework: ah fu ck i lost
manveru: hehe
ldlework: i seriously didn't know what move to do
ldlework: if I D7
ldlework: i am forfeiting the game
ldlework: ok 4
ldlework: cole, at this point in the game i concluded i lost
ldlework: how could white possibly recover?!
ldlework: it seems black already has more than they need
ldlework: cole where would you go
cole_h: I would probably go B8, or even edgier, H8
ldlework: What's your thinking behind B8?
cole_h: It's a corner. C7 to get the "safety" of 2 ranks either direction wouldn't do that much, I think
cole_h: And playing the middle, around D4 seems suicidal, or at least easy to get boxed in
ldlework: Isn't the point of D6 to represent the top-left corner?
cole_h: Right, we want to push ahead to prevent losing territory
ldlework: yes
ldlework: so that's why I thought I lost
ldlework: i thought "well you'll have to do something desperate then"
]
(;W[eg]C[

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manveru: that played out differently in my mind
ldlework: what would you've done instead?
ldlework: i think this was good move though
ldlework: i wish i was an ogs subscriber
ldlework: so we could have the AI tell us
ldlework: lol
manveru: jup
manveru: well, anything is possible with that few stones...
ldlework: yeah
ldlework: thank you for the game
manveru: thanks as well
manveru: really have to get more consistent
cole_h: Wounded animal and all that
ldlework: manveru and i talked and we couldn't really think of GREAT responses for black, though we found some stuff
]
(;B[eh]C[

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ldlework: black did this
ldlework: which is natural
]
;W[ef]C[

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ldlework: this move is like a peep
ldlework: asking black, can i come in here
]
;B[dg]C[

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cole_h: "Sure, door's unlocked!"
ldlework: black says "do what you want, can I come in here?!"
ldlework: lol
]
;W[ff]C[

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ldlework: so in go
ldlework: when you make threats like the peep
ldlework: and your opponent doesn't respond
ldlework: you should follow up on your threat
ldlework: for two reasons
ldlework: 1, you already invested at least one stone in making the threat
ldlework: so if you don't, that was a waste
ldlework: 2, you have to not let your opponent think they can ignore your threats lol
]
;B[gg]C[

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ldlework: natural
]
;W[ge]LB[fe:1]LB[ge:B]LB[ff:A]LB[gf:2]C[

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ldlework: that black pushing at D4 just results in white connecting up with D6 is so brutal
ldlework: i don't know what black should do
ldlework: just trying to keep black separated
manveru: My idea here was that i could still starve that group... way too greedy
ldlework: an keep my liberty options open
ldlework: the relationship between A and B is a kosumi
ldlework: it's a nice move
ldlework: because 1 and 2 are miai
ldlework: if black 1, white 2
ldlework: if black 2, white 1
ldlework: so black is attacking the kosomi, forcing white to connect
]
(;B[gf]MA[fe]C[

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ldlework: i dunno about this move
cole_h: And to make sure I still have my fundamentals: G5 has 3 liberties on this turn
ldlework: yeah
ldlework: black is asking
ldlework: can I cut this stone off?
]
(;W[fe]C[

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ldlework: but i'm still separating black
]
;B[df]C[

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ldlework: black is hangry
ldlework: lol
cole_h: I like that description
ldlework: wants to eat my group
cole_h: :P
ldlework: white could also form a kosumi
]
(;W[ed]C[

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ldlework: this is a nice tesuji
ldlework: black will have to spend two moves
ldlework: but my thinking was
ldlework: E6 puts F6 into a shortage
]
(;B[fc]C[

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ldlework: black fixes
]
(;W[dc]MA[ee]C[

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ldlework: since i know i'm connected here for the time being, i don't want the black stones to get ahead
]
;B[ce]C[

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ldlework: black using kosumi magic
]
;W[bf]C[

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ldlework: my two stones need some help
ldlework: i need enough room to make two eyes in here afterall
ldlework: if i can't do that they're deadzo
cole_h: They been kinda lonely for a bit
ldlework: yah
]
;B[bc]MA[de]MA[cf]MA[fh]C[

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ldlework: i don't hate this
ldlework: black knows he's connected
ldlework: so he is using that strength to destroy white territory
ldlework: it's a big move
]
;W[be]C[

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ldlework: i am going to threaten black's connectivity
ldlework: while also giving myself more eye space
]
;B[cd]MA[cc]MA[bd]MA[de]MA[cf]C[

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ldlework: black doesn't wanna get cut
ldlework: kosumi magic
]
;W[cc]C[

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ldlework: white pokes
]
;B[bd]C[

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ldlework: black fixes
]
;W[gc]C[

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ldlework: my turn to scoop
ldlework: :P
cole_h: It's free real estate
ldlework: while also putting real pressure on the three stones
ldlework: what is black's only real move here?
cole_h: I would go G6 if I were black
ldlework: agreed
ldlework: white basically asking them to
ldlework: it's a self-peep
ldlework: :)
]
(;B[gb]C[

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ldlework: :O
cole_h: :O
cole_h: "Nothing personnel (sic), kid."
ldlework: manveru what do you have to say about this!
manveru: worst move of this game :P
ldlework: hahaha
]
;W[hc]
;B[gd]
;W[he]C[

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manveru: at this point my only option was to capture that stone along with the center groups
]
;B[hd]
;W[hb]C[

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manveru: so i let it connect
ldlework: well this was a forcing move
manveru: but you didn't...
ldlework: i thought I could do this first
ldlework: then come back
]
;B[fa]C[

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ldlework: I did not expect this tesuji
ldlework: lol
ldlework: very nice
]
;W[eb]MA[id]C[

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ldlework: i think what i was thinking
ldlework: even though you have a liberty there
ldlework: if i could squeeze you on the other side
ldlework: when you tried to run this way at the end
ldlework: it wouldn't help
]
(;B[db]C[

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ldlework: so good
ldlework: nice move dude
]
;W[id]C[

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ldlework: atari
]
;B[fb]C[

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ldlework: now i'm in atari
]
;W[cb]
;B[ea]C[

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ldlework: OK
ldlework: let's count liberties
ldlework: black has 3
ldlework: but 2 of the liberties
ldlework: will take 2 moves EACH
ldlework: to take
ldlework: since they form tiger's mouths
ldlework: fuckin unbelievable
cole_h: D9, E8, and G9, yes?
ldlework: yes
ldlework: do you see why it would take 2 moves to fill d9
cole_h: Yep. I fyou go straight for it, that's atari since black would come in at C9
ldlework: yes
ldlework: so black has effectively 5 liberties
ldlework: lol
cole_h: bruh
ldlework: the left white group has 4
ldlework: the small group on the top right has 3
ldlework: but has connections out
ldlework: but to a group that has 4
ldlework: 3
ldlework: You can see that E5 is starting to become important for white
ldlework: so it's actually really hard
ldlework: to understand who's winning
ldlework: black is sealed in, can't make two eyes
ldlework: but has 5 effective liberties
ldlework: white has less liberties, but has various ways to connect out
ldlework: let's see
]
(;W[ha]C[

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ldlework: i think this move is absolutely crucial
cole_h: heh
ldlework: anyway now black has 4 liberties
ldlework: white's group that had just 3 has 4 now
ldlework: but it is black's turn
]
;B[ic]C[

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manveru: lol
ldlework: in the game
ldlework: I was like OHHH NOOOOO
]
(;W[ie]
;B[ib]
;W[ia]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[ga]
;W[ic]
;B[hf]
(;W[ee]C[

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ldlework: lol
ldlework: in the game
ldlework: i actually did this
ldlework: so white fixes instead
]
;B[bb]MA[ca]MA[de]MA[if]C[

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ldlework: this is no longer atari
]
;W[ca]
;B[ba]
;W[da]
;B[ci]
;W[bi]
;B[di]
;W[ah]
;B[if]MA[de]C[

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ldlework: this is atari on white
ldlework: so white is forced to capture 
]
;W[eb]
;B[ae]
;W[af]
;B[ad]
;W[cf]
;B[de]
;W[ab]MA[fh]C[

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ldlework: black is not fully connected
ldlework: so i was just teasing here
]
;B[fh]C[

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ldlework: that's it!
cole_h: Dang
manveru: thanks for the review again
ldlework: of course, i'm very happy to play you guys
cole_h: That woulda had be in the hospital with a heart attack
cole_h: Intense
cole_h: s/be/me/
manveru: gotta head out, hope we can play a normal one tomorrow :)
ldlework: manveru i definitely want to see you play graham
ldlework: he has picked up a lot really fast
manveru: sounds fun
cole_h: gc has a huge brain
ldlework: he actually studies on a go board made from his brain
ldlework: while he sits on a chair also made from his brain
cole_h: Hahahaha
ldlework: cole do you want to play one?
cole_h: I have lecture soon, sorry
ldlework: right on. see ya!
cole_h: See you later :)
cole_h: Thanks again
]
;W[]
;B[]C[

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ldlework: fuck i dunno
]
)(;W[ad]C[

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ldlework: lol
cole_h: I wish review showed undos as well :D
ldlework: manveru do you remember how you responded?
manveru: sure
ldlework: you can't show us, you'll have to say it
ldlework: i knew that was the killer
ldlework: but was it right now?
]
;B[ee]MA[if]C[

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manveru: ah
manveru: with E5
manveru: yeah
ldlework: ok cole
ldlework: this puts white into atari
ldlework: so white has to capture
ldlework: luckily
ldlework: i read that out right here without playing it through
ldlework: and asked for an undo XD
cole_h: Brain going 10000MPH
ldlework: so manveru won in that sense
]
;W[de]C[

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ldlework: white gained a shortage
]
;B[if]MA[ee]C[

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ldlework: black ataris
]
;W[ee]MA[ca]MA[bb]C[

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ldlework: white fixes
ldlework: and makes a shortage
]
;B[bb]MA[ca]C[

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ldlework: black ataris
]
;W[ca]C[

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ldlework: white fixes to make a shortage
]
;B[ba]C[

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ldlework: ah yes it was
ldlework: black ataris
ldlework: white cannot play into D9
cole_h: Dayum that's pretty big
ldlework: since it would take white's last liberty without killing any black
ldlework: black wins the game here
]
))(;W[ib]
(;B[ga]
)(;B[hf]
;W[ie]
;B[if]C[

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ldlework: yeah i don't get it
]
)))(;W[ca]C[

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ldlework: hmm
ldlework: i'm trying to remember black's way out at this point
cole_h: Please do. I glanced away for  a sec lol
ldlework: white doesn't go to H9
ldlework: which they need to do right now
]
(;B[ha]
;W[da]
;B[eb]
)(;B[ic]C[

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ldlework: black jumps in
ldlework: threating J6
]
(;W[ie]C[

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ldlework: white fixes
ldlework: wait
]
;B[ib]
;W[ha]
;B[ga]
;W[ia]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[ic]C[

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ldlework: ah
ldlework: that's right
ldlework: there we go
ldlework: i'll run that again
]
)(;W[ib]C[

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ldlework: lol
ldlework: wtf
cole_h: :D
ldlework: manveru why did you do this?
]
;B[ha]
;W[da]
;B[eb]
;W[ga]C[

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cole_h: woah
ldlework: yeah that move is no good manveru sorry
ldlework: lol
]
))(;B[hf]
)(;B[da]C[

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ldlework: hmm
ldlework: i can't find it
ldlework: i remember thinking this move is crucial lol
]
)))(;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[ie]
;W[if]C[

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ldlework: and then you'd be done
ldlework: so i figured prioritize the bigger sides
]
))(;B[gd]
(;W[hd]
;B[hc]
;W[gb]
;B[he]
;W[id]
;B[ie]
;W[ic]
;B[ib]
)(;W[hc]C[

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manveru: pretty much what i was afraid of
cole_h: I like those corner eyes
]
;B[hd]
;W[fb]
;B[eb]
;W[gb]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[id]
;W[ha]C[

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cole_h: That's good
ldlework: i think it ultimately worked
ldlework: in 9x9 they're good
ldlework: in larger boards it means you got smushed down :)
ldlework: or you filled someone's territory
ldlework: so yeah they're good
]
)))(;W[ee]
;B[dc]C[

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ldlework: this is not good
]
))(;B[de]
(;AB[ee]
)(;W[ee]
)))(;W[ee]LB[dd:1]LB[ee:2]
(;B[ed]
;W[de]
)(;B[de]
;W[ed]
)))(;W[cc]
;B[fe]
))(;B[df]
;W[ee]
;B[cf]
)(;B[gd]C[

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ldlework: i like this
ldlework: is a pretty huge move
]
;W[dc]
(;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[eb]
;W[df]
)(;B[df]
(;W[cf]
;B[de]
)(;W[ee]
;B[cf]
;W[bf]
;B[be]
;W[ce]
;B[bg]
;W[bd]
;B[af]
;W[ad]
;B[de]
;W[cd]
;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[eb]C[

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manveru: lol
]
))))(;B[dg]
(;W[ef]
;B[df]
;W[ee]
;B[de]
;W[ed]
;B[eh]
;W[ff]
;B[gg]
;W[dc]
;B[eb]
;W[cf]
;B[ce]C[

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ldlework: i don't even know
]
)(;W[df]
;B[eh]
;W[ef]
(;B[ff]C[

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manveru: here i lose too much
]
)(;B[ee]
;W[de]
;B[ff]
;W[ed]
;B[fe]C[

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manveru: that'd have been too simple i guess
]
)))(;B[dc]
;W[dg]
;B[eh]
(;W[cd]
)(;W[cc]
(;B[cb]
;W[bc]C[

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ldlework: this isn't bad
]
)(;B[ef]C[

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ldlework: maybe there are some things black can do
]
)))(;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[db]C[

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ldlework: this is quite huge
]
))(;W[dc]C[

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ldlework: to me this is the natural play
ldlework: but my thinking was
ldlework: if white does this, they are gonna lose
]
;B[df]C[

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ldlework: with a move like this
ldlework: white's forced to protect
]
;W[cf]C[

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ldlework: black has enough to win now
cole_h: I see, black's got that diagonal all to himself
ldlework: yeah
cole_h: It would be tough to push through that
ldlework: it's a rough approximation
ldlework: but yeah
]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[eb]
;W[dg]
;B[eg]
;W[ee]
;B[ef]
;W[ed]
;B[fe]
;W[eh]
;B[fh]
;W[di]
;B[fi]C[

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ldlework: see they didn't quite get the line i drew
ldlework: but black was at the advantage for most of those exchanges
]
))(;AW[ec]C[

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cole_h: So B8 is too tentative because we already have that corner mostly on lock
ldlework: we wanna take as much as possible
ldlework: yeah
ldlework: let's go back to the actuacl position
]
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