(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-02-14]
GN[just learned today]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/617253]
PB[hetdraga]
PW[vegetta8787]
BR[?]
WR[9k]
TM[120]OT[30 fischer]
RE[W+86.5]
SZ[9]
KM[5.5]
RU[Chinese]
C[

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hetdraga: thank you
vegetta8787: you see the board? and my moves?
vegetta8787: usually people on 9x9, or on bigger boards play corners first
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vegetta8787: 1. From move 1: 
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vegetta8787: starting in center on 9x9 usually means you are good at fighting
vegetta8787: in go, and especially if you move to bigger boards, people usually start in corner
hetdraga: thank you kindly for the insight. how long have you been playing?
vegetta8787: because the wall helps you gain points
vegetta8787: it's much harder to invade corner, and it requires less stones to make a base
vegetta8787: than in center or side
vegetta8787: on 19x19 if you play first move in center you're very likely to lose (well if you're good lol)
vegetta8787: you can find much of the basics in links I've send, and under puzzles
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vegetta8787: 2. From move 9: 
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vegetta8787: Do you see?
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;W[gh]MA[eh]C[On the first line (well second line actually), on the second line you must protect atari else you won't escape

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vegetta8787: 7. From move 18: 
vegetta8787: 8. From move 18: 
vegetta8787: do you see the x? you must not allow it, 
vegetta8787: if that happens, due to the wall, you won't escape
vegetta8787: well you're welcome
vegetta8787: if you can still handle I can tell you about life and death lol
hetdraga: seems important
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hetdraga: this clearly is not your first rodeo
vegetta8787: This is a very common weakness
vegetta8787: if you get caught here you usually cant escpae wathc
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vegetta8787: protect from being captured
vegetta8787: do you have any questions?
vegetta8787: if you get surrounded you get captured, you must protect yourself, else you are further away from capturing me, and might never capture if I live
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;W[gb]C[This one is another known weakness, you can't escape it as you've seen in game

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hetdraga: suffice to say i am overwhelmed, but I am enjoying your skill in teaching
vegetta8787: I don't think I am that skilled in teaching TBH, I just know this stuff
hetdraga: fair enough
vegetta8787: lets say as a beginner rule, you must always defend against atari (that is being capture)
hetdraga: that makes sense
vegetta8787: that is a good rule for a beginner always try to escape and protect your stones
vegetta8787: and you must learn about life and death too
hetdraga: :)
vegetta8787: 10. From move 46: 
hetdraga: do you have these variations already saved??
vegetta8787: no, I wrote the text
vegetta8787: this is what happened in game, I jsut comment for the last one
vegetta8787: as you notice many variations especially for beginners happen when you get backed in a corner
vegetta8787: this one can happen on outside too
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vegetta8787: at move 52 and so on game was basically over
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vegetta8787: err sorry not this
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vegetta8787: 5. From move 18: F1 G1 E2 
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vegetta8787: 6. From move 18: E1 
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vegetta8787: 9. From move 18: E2 
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vegetta8787: 4. From move 14: G6 
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vegetta8787: 3. From move 14: G6 H3 
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hetdraga: thanks again
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vegetta8787: ok
vegetta8787: there is another rule called ko
hetdraga: this is ko
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vegetta8787: you know of it?
hetdraga: the board has to change
vegetta8787: yes
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hetdraga: yep
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vegetta8787: you know about capture right?
hetdraga: yes
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vegetta8787: you know white can't play inside ?
hetdraga: right
vegetta8787: "suicide" is not allowed
vegetta8787: but with one exception
vegetta8787: imagine this
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vegetta8787: right now, white is allowed to play inside black, to capture
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vegetta8787: see?
hetdraga: yep
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vegetta8787: the basis of life and death is called eyes
vegetta8787: eyes is a hole in your base, stuff you surround
hetdraga: ok
vegetta8787: one eye means you can die, if you're completely surrounded
vegetta8787: cause you just play inside
vegetta8787: two eyes (or more) means you can't
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vegetta8787: this kills, because white has two big eyes
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vegetta8787: 11. From move 0: H2 J2 H1 J3 H3 G3 G2 G1 H4 J1 H2 J4 G4 F4 F3 F2 F1 
vegetta8787: This is considered dead
vegetta8787: watch
vegetta8787: sry watch
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vegetta8787: see? even if there is space it's still one big eye
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vegetta8787: if white were to play H2 first
vegetta8787: the shape lives
vegetta8787: this is the minimal shape to live in corner
vegetta8787: when you say eye you don't have necessarily have to have only 2 exactly 1 space
vegetta8787: you can have "big" eyes 
vegetta8787: doed it make sense?
vegetta8787: 12. From move 0: H2 J2 H1 J3 H3 G3 G2 G1 H4 J1 J4 H4 G4 H4 F4 F3 F2 F1 E4 H2 
vegetta8787: this is alive
vegetta8787: it means it's impossible for black to capture white, even if it completely surrounds the base
vegetta8787: now life and death is hard, I am believe it or not still a beginner myself, some life and death problems require much skill
vegetta8787: there are entire books on life and death, but knowing the basics and how to live in corner is important for basics of go
vegetta8787: does it make sense until now?
hetdraga: i think so. 
hetdraga: its a lot to  take in
vegetta8787: ok there is a thing called fake eye
hetdraga: how long have you been playing?
vegetta8787: it means it looks like an eye, but you can capture it
vegetta8787: well I played for about a year like 4 years ago, then I stopped and started again a month or two, this year
vegetta8787: 9k is my level, approximatively on this site
hetdraga: what is the scale?
vegetta8787: you start at say 30k, and just by understanding the very basics you can get to 25-20k very easily
vegetta8787: it decreases until 1k, 
vegetta8787: it means 1k is higher than 9k etc
hetdraga: i see
vegetta8787: the level, not on a small board but on a big board
vegetta8787: it means, the difference between 1k, means that the lower k can give the difference in stones and still be competitive
vegetta8787: it means if I play on 19x19 a 1k, he can allow me to place 8 stones on board at the very start, and still be able to win
hetdraga: ok, thats the handicap then
vegetta8787: usually on this site the k don't mean as much as in real world, like I play lots of 9x9, so I might be 9k on 9x9, but on a 19x19 board I'm closer to 15k maybe even worse
vegetta8787: yes that is handicap
vegetta8787: after 1k it goes to dan
vegetta8787: and it grows
vegetta8787: 1d, to idk 2 3 IDK exactly how much
vegetta8787: then you have professional dans
vegetta8787: so technically between a complete amateur and a 9p (9 dan pro) they can probably win even if you play like 10 stones on board
vegetta8787: well of course if the handicap is too much, the game becomes unwinnable for anyone
vegetta8787: imagine you set 20 stones or 30, 
vegetta8787: but you get the idea
hetdraga: while i have enjoyed being trounced, i think i should spend some more time learning before i embarrass myself
vegetta8787: now ix you want to play "real" go, 19x19 is the way to go
vegetta8787: I for example am much better at 9x9 than 19x19
vegetta8787: 9x9 teacher fighting and the basics
vegetta8787: but on 19x19 people don't play close at all
hetdraga: interestintg
vegetta8787: if you for example play 19x19 and attack all the stones, against a good player you will lose, they will ignore your moves and play at a distance
vegetta8787: 19x19 is a much bigger board
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vegetta8787: this shape do you see it?
hetdraga: is this the fake eye?
vegetta8787: yes, do you see why?
vegetta8787: or do you see why this is killable?
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vegetta8787: even this
vegetta8787: if black plays at X, white can't defend, either they lose G2, or they defend and lose one eye
vegetta8787: either way it's dead
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vegetta8787: see?
hetdraga: i did ( after you showed me )
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hetdraga: that was one of the only rules i think stuck 
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vegetta8787: invading a corner directly like B does, if you play well you won't live
vegetta8787: not enough space to make 2 eyes
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vegetta8787: do you see the x? if you find yourself in such a position, you must defend
vegetta8787: if you get cornered you will likely die
vegetta8787: in the open you can escape, not on the wall
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vegetta8787: one common variation 
vegetta8787: 13. From move 0: G3 C7 C3 G7 H7 H6 H8 G8 G6 H5 F7 F8 E8 E7 F6 D8 
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vegetta8787: 14. From move 0: G3 C7 C3 G7 H7 H6 H8 G8 G6 H5 F7 F8 E8 F6 
vegetta8787: this is called double atari, it means you threaten to capture 2 groups, adn obviously B can't defed both
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vegetta8787: I am not very good at openings or joseki and fuseki or how it's called ( opening theory and how to respond to opponent moves to gain equivalent points as in not to lose)
vegetta8787: but if you play 3-3 corner, you can try to learn fast how to defend it
vegetta8787: 3x3 corner you can 100% defend it, if you play it at start of game that is
vegetta8787: not if it's too late
vegetta8787: any questions lol? 
hetdraga: :D my brain may be full
hetdraga: super kind of you to share your insights
vegetta8787: well people are usually very friendly in go
hetdraga: this seems to be a very friendly place
vegetta8787: at least in my experience, there is also chat for chatting
vegetta8787: and I suggest you check the tutorials under puzzles, 
vegetta8787: you will surely learn a lot!
hetdraga: i will do that, thank you
hetdraga: i appreciate your having taken the time to show me some basics
hetdraga: very kind of you
vegetta8787: np, feel free to ask questions in the future if you want, and have fun :D
hetdraga: thanks again
hetdraga: you too
vegetta8787: take care
hetdraga: you as well
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