(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-02-23]
GN[Friendly Match]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/622983]
PB[Brotaco]
PW[vegetta8787]
BR[17k]
WR[9k]
TM[300]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+10.5]
SZ[13]
KM[5.5]
RU[Japanese]
HA[3]
AB[jj][jd][dj]

;W[dd]
;B[gg]
;W[gc]C[This is long knight, idk how its called but it's 2 space knight extension

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Brotaco: what is a hane
]
(;B[ch]C[This is knight move, it's called like in chess

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vegetta8787: this is also slow. From move 4: 
]
(;W[fh]
;B[gh]C[

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Brotaco: I see
]
(;W[fi]
(;B[fj]
;W[gi]
;B[hi]
;W[gj]C[

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Brotaco: yea I read that the triangle is bad once
]
(;B[ej]
;W[fk]
;B[ek]
;W[fl]
;B[gk]C[be very aware of this move, common mistake, read it cause of no escapeiof this move, common mistake, read it cause of no escape

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Brotaco: sweet, that would be great
]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]
;W[hl]
;B[el]
;W[gm]C[This is very slow

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vegetta8787: well I'd say you have to work on not wasting moves
vegetta8787: let me write all the moves I think are too slow
]
(;B[em]C[not necessary I think]
;W[if]
(;B[je]C[This is also slow, not as slow as previous but slow as in not enough points]
;W[hh]
;B[ii]
;W[hg]
(;B[jf]C[again too slow

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Brotaco: of course yea
]
;W[gf]
(;B[ik]C[

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vegetta8787: when you attach to a stone like this, you're already at a fighting disadvatnage, cause the stone is already tehre
]
;W[il]
;B[jl]
;W[jg]
;B[kg]
;W[jh]
;B[kh]
;W[ji]
;B[ki]
;W[ih]
;B[ij]
;W[kk]
(;B[kj]
;W[jk]
;B[kl]
;W[lk]
;B[ll]
;W[jb]
;B[lj]C[too slow, W can't escape now. ]
;W[kc]
;B[kd]
;W[ld]
;B[le]
;W[md]
;B[me]
;W[lb]
(;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[df]
;W[ce]
;B[cf]
;W[fg]
;B[eh]
;W[ei]
;B[di]
;W[eg]
;B[dh]
;W[dg]
;B[cg]
;W[ee]
;B[im]
;W[bf]
;B[bg]
;W[af]
;B[ag]
;W[bd]
(;B[bk]C[also unecessary, you basically surround 3-3, it's very hard to live here]
;W[ef]
;B[hd]
;W[hc]
;B[ge]
;W[gd]
;B[he]
;W[fe]
;B[hf]
;W[hm]
;B[jm]
;W[hj]
;B[ie]
;W[ig]
;B[db]C[can't live here

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Brotaco: oh ok
Brotaco: I thought id try
vegetta8787: same reason as before, on second line, with so few space, especially on 13x13
vegetta8787: it's good to try I guess
Brotaco: if you try its net zero right?
vegetta8787: if opponent plays less moves than you, you can give them a point
]
(;W[eb]C[

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Brotaco: yea
]
;B[cc]
;W[bc]
;B[dc]
;W[fb]
;B[bb]
;W[da]
;B[ca]
;W[ea]
;B[ab]
;W[ec]
;B[ac]
;W[cd]
;B[jc]C[

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vegetta8787: also if you play vs high level players, like 2k 1k, 1 dan etc, they can get upset lol
vegetta8787: consider it rude cause they know from start htey can kill
Brotaco: ahh
Brotaco: gotcha
vegetta8787: but at your level I guess it's alright, but you shuld know in future, you can't live there
]
;W[cb]C[

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Brotaco: I see
]
;B[fm]
;W[]
;B[de]
;W[]
;B[]
)(;W[kb]
;B[bb]
(;W[eb]C[

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Brotaco: ok
]
;B[ca]
;W[ac]
;B[ab]
;W[ea]
;B[da]
;W[cc]C[seems even with a free move still hard to live]
)(;W[cc]
;B[ab]
;W[ib]
;B[cb]
;W[fb]
;B[eb]
;W[ea]
;B[da]
;W[ba]C[idk looks very fragile even with 2 free moves]
))(;W[bb]
;B[fb]
;W[gb]C[

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Brotaco: I have to go now but thank you so much for your help
vegetta8787: at this point I don't even need to attach, I can play a distance one space extensions and can probably still kill
vegetta8787: np, take care and have fun
Brotaco: you to
vegetta8787: if you have any questions in the future hit me up
Brotaco: sure thing
Brotaco: I sent friend rq
]
))(;B[ef]
;W[ck]
(;B[cj]
;W[bj]
;B[bi]
;W[ak]
(;B[cl]
;W[dl]
;B[dm]
;W[dk]
;B[bl]
;W[bk]C[for example]
)(;B[dl]
;W[bl]
;B[cl]
;W[bm]
;B[dk]
;W[bk]C[still dead]
))(;B[ff]
;W[bj]
;B[cl]
;W[bl]
;B[dk]
;W[cj]
;B[bm]
;W[ak]
;B[ai]
;W[aj]C[still looks dead

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vegetta8787: just not enough space to live on W even if you give a couple of free moves
]
)))(;B[ce]C[this is 2 space extension

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vegetta8787: big moves like this, near the corner basically playing on second line at such a disadvantage it's very hard to live
Brotaco: yea
vegetta8787: I think to live on second line you need like 7 straight stones or something
]
(;W[cd]
;B[bd]
;W[de]
;B[cf]
;W[df]
;B[dg]C[maybe]
)(;W[bf]
;B[cf]
;W[be]
(;B[bd]
;W[cd]
;B[bc]
;W[cc]
;B[bb]
(;W[ad]
;B[bg]
)(;W[bg]
(;B[bh]
;W[cg]
;B[dg]
;W[df]
)(;B[cg]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]
;W[cb]
;B[ae]
(;W[ad]
;B[ac]
;W[af]
;B[ad]
)(;W[ba]
;B[ah]
;W[ab]
;B[ag]
;W[ad]
;B[af]C[still looks like B is ahead]
))))(;B[cd]
;W[bd]
;B[cc]
;W[bc]
;B[bb]
;W[bg]
(;B[cg]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]
)(;B[bh]
;W[cg]
;B[dg]
;W[df]
;B[cb]
;W[dh]
;B[eg]
;W[eh]
;B[ef]
;W[de]
;B[ee]
;W[ed]
;B[ag]
;W[fe]
;B[ac]
;W[ff]
;B[ad]
;W[fg]
)))))(;B[kl]
;W[kj]
;B[lk]
;W[jk]
;B[lj]C[in this particular case, count liberties, cause H4 is not filled, don't be afraid of L4 cut

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vegetta8787: when in doubt just count how many stones opponent needs to capture you,
]
))(;B[jl]C[this basicaly secures the corner, and makes it hard for W to fight
]
;W[kk]
;B[jk]
;W[kj]
;B[ki]
;W[li]
;B[kh]
;W[lh]
;B[lg]
;W[kl]
)(;B[jk]C[maybe]
))(;B[kg]
))(;B[kf]C[better and still defends

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Brotaco: haha
vegetta8787: 3. From move 23: L8 
Brotaco: can you quickly go over what is should do when I defend with  knight
vegetta8787: if not sure, this is safer, than wider moves
]
(;W[kh]
;B[ki]
;W[li]
;B[lj]
;W[lg]
;B[lf]C[maybe it looks like this IDK

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vegetta8787: 4. From move 23: L8 L6 L5 M5 M4 M7 M8 
Brotaco: what is the benefit of the knight
]
)(;W[je]
;B[ke]C[it's just this if opponent tries to cut]
)(;W[ke]
;B[je]C[this is start of ladder, and will be hard for opponent to try to ecape
]
(;W[le]
;B[lf]
;W[jf]
;B[ld]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]
;W[lc]
;B[me]
)(;W[kd]C[

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Brotaco: oh ok
]
;B[kc]
(;W[lf]
;B[kg]
;W[lg]
(;B[lh]
;W[kh]
;B[ld]
;W[le]
;B[mc]
(;W[jf]
;B[jg]
)(;W[jg]
;B[jf]
;W[li]
;B[mh]
))(;B[kh]
;W[lh]
;B[li]
;W[lc]
;B[kb]
;W[lb]C[I am not sure

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vegetta8787: 9. From move 23: L8 L9 K9 L10 L11 M8 L7 M7 L6 M6 M5 M11 L12 M12 
vegetta8787: I am not sure how to defend this, but looks weak
vegetta8787: maybe the good defense is to lose one stone but kill the group
]
))(;W[lc]
(;B[ld]
;W[le]
;B[lb]
;W[md]
;B[jb]
;W[lf]
(;B[lg]
)(;B[kg]
;W[lg]
;B[lh]
;W[kh]
;B[li]
;W[jg]
;B[jf]
;W[mg]C[looks alive

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Brotaco: yea
vegetta8787: idk how to defend this particular one, but usually that's how you defend at least first move
]
))(;B[le]
;W[ld]
;B[mf]
(;W[jc]
;B[kb]
;W[jb]
;B[lb]C[this looks better for B]
;W[jf]
;B[mc]
;W[id]
;B[md]
)(;W[kb]
;B[jc]
;W[jb]
;B[ib]
;W[la]C[still looks like W can live here

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vegetta8787: 10. From move 23: L8 L9 K9 L10 L11 M11 M9 M10 N8 L12 K11 K12 J12 M13 
Brotaco: it does
vegetta8787: looks like W can live here, but mostly because of corner space at 3-3 I'd say
Brotaco: ohh
vegetta8787: but the point of knight move is to allow you to connect your stones
vegetta8787: not necessarily to be impossible to be cut
]
))))))(;B[kg]
;W[kf]
;B[jf]
;W[je]
;B[jg]
;W[ke]
)(;B[lg]
;W[kf]
;B[lf]
;W[le]
;B[ke]
;W[kd]
;B[je]
;W[kc]
;B[ld]C[idk

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vegetta8787: 8. From move 23: M7 L8 M8 M9 L9 L10 K9 L11 M10 
]
))(;B[ic]C[perhaps, I'm still a beginner too lol]
;W[em]
;B[dm]
(;W[dl]
;B[fm]
;W[cm]
;B[em]
;W[ck]
(;B[dk]
;W[cl]
;B[bj]C[white can't live here, can be ignored

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Brotaco: what is this move called at b4
vegetta8787: this one?
Brotaco: yea
vegetta8787: this is a one space extension perhaps
]
;W[cj]
;B[ci]
(;W[bi]
;B[bh]
;W[bk]
;B[ai]
)(;W[di]
;B[ei]
;W[eh]C[ooops

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Brotaco: haha
vegetta8787: oops lol
]
))(;B[cj]
;W[bj]
;B[bi]
(;W[bl]
(;B[dk]
;W[cl]
;B[ak]
;W[al]
;B[aj]
;W[bk]
;B[ai]C[maybe I'm not too good at life and death]
)(;B[aj]
))(;W[ak]
;B[bl]C[I think this kills]
;W[dk]
;B[cl]
;W[al]
;B[bm]C[

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vegetta8787: either way don't be afraid, even if white invades sucesfully he wont gain many points
vegetta8787: and you will gain a wall that helps you get center
Brotaco: yea
vegetta8787: but if you get stronger, usually it shouldn't be possible to live with such a big wall of B on line E
]
)))(;W[fm]
;B[cl]C[this is what would usually happen in a game

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vegetta8787: as you can see, either white played E1 and you play D1, F1 then defend
vegetta8787: but even if white cuts and tries to get inside, it doesnt work
]
)))(;B[ek]
;W[fk]
;B[ej]
;W[fl]
;B[el]
))(;B[gi]SQ[hg]SQ[ig]CR[eh]SQ[hh]SQ[ih]CR[ei]SQ[hi]SQ[ii]CR[ej]CR[fj]C[

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Brotaco: ohh
vegetta8787: here it's better to follow me across G line
vegetta8787: look at the potential space you gain, it's bigger tha mine
vegetta8787: especially since I'm squeezed between your stones
]
;W[fj]
;B[ek]
;W[gj]
;B[hj]C[

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Brotaco: yea
]
;W[gk]
;B[hk]
;W[fl]
;B[el]C[see

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Brotaco: yes
vegetta8787: white splits you in two, but not much territory gained. From move 7: G5 F4 E3 G4 H4 G3 H3 F2 E2 
]
)(;B[hh]C[triangle is also weak shape, if you end up doing it, it's usually a mistake

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vegetta8787: you see teh comments?
Brotaco: yes
]
))(;W[gi]C[this is hane, when you try to surround

don't hane like this cause it's weak shape

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vegetta8787: do you see comments?
Brotaco: gotcha
]
;B[fi]
(;W[fj]
)(;W[ei]
;B[fj]
;W[ej]
))(;W[fg]
;B[ff]C[usually it's done like this, cause it's stronger]
))(;W[di]
;B[ci]
;W[cj]
;B[ck]
;W[bj]
;B[ej]C[knight and one space extension are hard to cut,

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vegetta8787: 5. From move 4: D5 C5 C4 C3 B4 E4 
Brotaco: oh ok
vegetta8787: knight, one space extension near the wall, the yare uncuttable in the sense if opponent cuts they will usually die
]
(;W[dk]
;B[dl]
;W[ek]
;B[fk]
;W[el]
;B[fl]C[ladder

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Brotaco: is the one space extension jut to stones with a space in between
]
)(;W[bk]
;B[cl]
;W[bl]
;B[ek]
;W[bi]
;B[bh]
;W[ai]
;B[bm]
;W[al]C[dead, no two eyes

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Brotaco: 2 stones
vegetta8787: 6. From move 4: D5 C5 C4 C3 B4 E4 B3 C2 B2 E3 B5 B6 A5 B1 A2 
]
)))(;B[dh]C[this is one space extension, near wall also hard to cut

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vegetta8787: 7. From move 3: D6 
Brotaco: if you tried to cut I would go to e5 right?
vegetta8787: usually one space extension is plaeyed when your stones are closer to the board, t
]
(;W[ei]
;B[di]
)(;W[di]
;B[ci]C[

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vegetta8787: usually it's better to defend on your strong side, or on the wall
]
;W[cj]
;B[ck]
;W[bj]
(;B[bh]
;W[bi]
;B[ch]
;W[dk]
;B[ej]
;W[cl]C[oooooppppoops

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Brotaco: ohhhh
Brotaco: that makes sense
vegetta8787: lol oops
]
)(;B[bk]
;W[bi]
;B[ei]
;W[ch]
;B[di]
;W[bh]
)(;B[bi]
;W[dk]
;B[ei]
(;W[bk]
)(;W[cl]
))(;B[dk]
;W[bi]
;B[ch]
;W[bk]
;B[bl]C[maybe

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Brotaco: yea
vegetta8787: well towards the wall, it's very hard to cut or invade, think of the wall as your own stones
]
))))