(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
GN[Finnish Champions 2020 game 2]
PC[https://online-go.com/review/641808]
PB[Javier Savolainen]
PW[Juuso Nyyssönen]
BR[5d]
WR[5d]
OT[Error: time control missing]
RE[?]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]

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kisakatsomo: Also Live on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW9BQJHccT4
kisakatsomo: Juuso won the first game and it's best of 3
Pond Turtle: what are the time controls
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norppa: 90 min & 1x60s
kisakatsomo: 90 minutes + 1 period of 1 minute
UnNeutral: are they pro?
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Pond Turtle: hahahahahaha
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Grunman: what a cool clock they have
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kisakatsomo: Youtube stream is live from the event 
Grunman: is it still 2020 in Finland?
kisakatsomo: yeah. we have daylights saving time
Grunman: :D
Pond Turtle: I would totally play on the bottom but this does seem better
UnNeutral: are they going to smash the board
UnNeutral: or throwing stones like bullet
IkkenR: can you send the link of the yoututbe streaminG?
montaxus: Give me the youtube link please.
Pond Turtle: scrool up
UnNeutral: it's on the top of the chatbox
Pond Turtle: scroll
montaxus: thx
IkkenR: ty
Trevoke: bottom right corner looking very Dosaku vs. Santetsu so far
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Pond Turtle: follow up at Q6 would be very ye olde
Pond Turtle: the whole thing being OK because W spends many moves and the stone is not 100% dead, there are outside sente moves
UnNeutral: black can live in the corner imo
Trevoke: yeah, even after Q6 B can live
Vorrade: If b lives w gets a strong outer wall so it is too early for that
Pond Turtle: http://www.josekipedia.com/#path:qdocpettlcttndqc
Ten: Suddenly we’re all modern
Pond Turtle: It gets difficult and outside stones can matter AFAIK
Trevoke: oh nice thanks turtle
montaxus: คนไทยสินะ
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Uberdude: I don't like bottom left result for White
Uberdude: Think I would prefer the d4 attachment
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Uberdude: Not really clear what w stones doing
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Pond Turtle: that corner result seems better for B
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BrunoArteaga: They are playing alive? How many games? 
BrunoArteaga: I mean... it’s occurring now? How many more games to go? 
Pond Turtle: scroll to the top, there is live yt feed
Oni: one more tomorrow if today is a tie
snowman: I guess they are waiting...
Pond Turtle: I also thought it is not so good
Pond Turtle: but kata  says W lost like 3pts there, not end of the world
Uberdude: How about q11
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Uberdude: Should be S4?
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Pond Turtle: I guess W wanted extension from the wall because they alread wanted to play keima and the cut?
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snowman: now it at least have some effectiveness
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Uberdude: Wow this connect
Uberdude: Isn't r11 at a minimum better
Uberdude: Maybe plans p11 cut
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Uberdude: W d16 of he gets sente?
Vegetable: this feels a abit uh. wimpy?
Vegetable: but maybeit enables playing stronger later
Uberdude: First thought is take once then d16
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Uberdude: Or r11 or p7
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Uberdude: Ah so b really wanted sente
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Uberdude: So was take mistake
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Uberdude: I think so
Uberdude: If r12 now isn't happy
Uberdude: C7 time
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Uberdude: Sooooo patient
Vegetable: hmm
Uberdude: D8 or r12
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Uberdude: Gah
Vegetable: feels like black is leading the gameflow pretty completely. dunno if goor or not
Uberdude: Hopeful w tenuki this
Uberdude: Or more puppy go?
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Vegetable: if white responds, black gets to play in the left first as well
Uberdude: Woo
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Vegetable: can white just d9?
Vegetable: or do we get complications with the f6 group
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Uberdude: B6 tesuji now
Uberdude: W useless stones get some use :)
dede.moussa000: White caught up a little after D14 which units his four stones with his all-board thickness.
Uberdude: Funny how long q12 in atari
Uberdude: It's about time to spend a gote there
Uberdude: But first b6 kikashi
Uberdude: Double sente so v important
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FinrodFelagund: What a crowd. Is there a livestream somewhere?
Uberdude: C7 is too late if w just played b6
Uberdude: But it's good as b first move in area
Uberdude: To stop w b6 tesuji
FinrodFelagund: How does the sequence go from w b6?
CheGuapara: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW9BQJHccT4
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CheGuapara: live stream is there finrod
Uberdude: Compare to b first. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 
PetrusHH: bl L17
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PetrusHH: wh L18
Satomi: hmm not taking k15 first before doing L17? hehe just a thought
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Uberdude: L17 is indeed a problem
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Uberdude: Finrod yeah, few points plus or minus
Uberdude: But as double sente it's free for whoever gets it
Uberdude: Not 100%
Uberdude: But it's big enough to spend a gote
Uberdude: If b wrests sente
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Ville: is it really sente for w?
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dede.moussa000: Poor order of moves by black here. He should have tested Black in the center before, then played the ladder constructor only if needed. 
FinrodFelagund: This is the sort of tesuji that I never see because it doesn't lead to immediate destruction
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ronin3: who is outplaying who, at the moment? this game is hard to follow
PetrusHH: bl M16
Rocco: Split white?
FinrodFelagund: L16 seems like the move, but from there the group looks a little heavy
FinrodFelagund: Maybe come out first before saving those two stones?
gorob: Black has about 70 pts to White's 50, including possibly B dead group top center.
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Rocco: Why not L16?
laercioskt: I think the answer for W, if B L16, is J17, there is problems with K15.
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Rocco: Seems like L16 -> K15 just refutes. 
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FinrodFelagund: Yeah, black just gave up for now
Pond Turtle: Well making them live is not B win condition
Pond Turtle: so it makes sense to leave it there for time being
Rocco: Which problem?
laercioskt: M18 and M19 help B in the sequence that I could read.
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laercioskt: my variation was wrong, i still trying before share :) but is similar to that ones
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FinrodFelagund: So if white can kill without a race, it's a bit better
FinrodFelagund: And in my variation, black's shape just can't hold up
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PetrusHH: bl k19
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PetrusHH: bl k19
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PetrusHH: then M17 and N18 and connct
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FinrodFelagund: doesn't seem to work for B yet. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 F11 L16 K15 J18 H18 J17 J19 J16 J15 H15 G15 H14 G14 H13 G13 H12 G16 G12 F15 
Rocco: Your way does seem superior. 
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Rocco: Where does the problem lie with this one?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 F11 L16 K15 J18 J17 
FinrodFelagund: Well, Rocco, you don't want to give B H18 if you can avoid it
FinrodFelagund: That's good endgame, and black can squeeze from outside later
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FinrodFelagund: something like this. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 F11 L16 K15 J18 J17 H18 J19 G18 L14 M18 N18 N19 M19 O19 M15 M16 
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Rocco: Here. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 F11 L16 K15 J18 J17 H18 M18 
Rocco: Think M18 is just working for white though. 
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FinrodFelagund: Then black can try to gain liberties, but I was trying to avoid a direct race
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Rocco: Link the variation. :P
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BodoW: k19?
Uberdude: this attach is trying to stop white b10 insurance connection, in sente
balthahar: who won the first game?
Rocco: Yeah, I can understand that, but I can't read it. :P
Uberdude: juuso won 1st
Uberdude: played solid/slack, then when javier did mistake pounced and killed
FinrodFelagund: I kinda prefer black in this game. White doesn't have much territory and the center looks like a complicated mess
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BodoW: white offering a compromise?
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Pond Turtle: black does look better
Pond Turtle: but it is far from decided
quy: is it live ?
dede.moussa000: Obviously white didn't spot the aji in the lower left corner
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Uberdude: now you see how 'just' b6 and c7 in sente is quite valuable :)
FinrodFelagund: The issue now is the white group at F6 looks more like a weak group than influence 
dede.moussa000: of course. White should have played b6 way before
Uberdude: r12, white needs som e points
Rocco: Black seems to have nice strategic options now. 
Uberdude: can't afford to spend a move on f6
Pond Turtle: B has like 3,5 acces points to the center not sure what can be made there
Rocco: Making a plan for white seems harder. 
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Rocco: Is a move like K4 ever viable here?
quy: guys, is this live or replay
FinrodFelagund: live
dede.moussa000: Q12
quy: thanks
FinrodFelagund: I think J4 or K4 in that area rocco, just because of the cut
FinrodFelagund: sry, K3
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Rocco: Or is that too easy for white?
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FinrodFelagund: something like this. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 K4 J3 J4 H4 H2 K3 
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Uberdude: Is r12 a banned point?
Uberdude: battleship go
FinrodFelagund: It's one of those areas you tenuki from and then are afraid to go back to because you'll "lose tempo"
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Rocco: Is R12 that big?
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Uberdude: yes, if b coneccts then w has no points on right and p11 cut
Pond Turtle: even tho, isn't it little slow?
simon-o-matic: Black has all corners and white doesn’t have middle. Feels hard for white. 
Pond Turtle: for both?
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FinrodFelagund: Maybe slow for white now that Q8 is in place?
Uberdude: it's less slow than all these moves they are playing now!
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Uberdude: buy yes w q8 makes white easier to tenuki b r12
Uberdude: also r12 helps deal with l15 aji
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Uberdude: if p11 is a cutting point, gives b some play in that area
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Uberdude: actually, there is still a sniff of aji in lower left with e2 and c3
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kisakatsomo: White enters byo-yomi 60 seconds per move
Rocco: Hmm
FinrodFelagund: Doesn't look like sente for B
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Rocco: If white tenukis, is L16 still a threat?
FinrodFelagund: Not any more I think
FinrodFelagund: Not enough libs
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Ville: isn't it?
FinrodFelagund: well, we'll see
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Rocco: it is
Rocco: M17 liberty shortage
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Ville: does M18 cut work
Pond Turtle: doesnt that just work?
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Pond Turtle: Expect?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 N18 
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dede.moussa000: ouch! what about M18 ,
Rocco: its gg
Rocco: lol
Uberdude: black b10 is an active way to fix
Uberdude: and kinda sente for c11
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Pond Turtle: or like that
Uberdude: um
quy: gg
Pond Turtle: gg
Ville: didn't count liberties right maybe
Uberdude: today children, we learn to count to 4
FinrodFelagund: It's a hard lesson
Pond Turtle: right in the nads
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Pond Turtle: sort of pitty we don't see white face in yt
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Uberdude: at least he can try to build an airport
Uberdude: so g10 made some sense
Uberdude: if this was planned sac
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Rocco: It is now.
dede.moussa000: W should have played long ago the exchange O17-018
FinrodFelagund: 5 stones in gote? Maybe not so large
Uberdude: o17?
Pond Turtle: it looks too much tho
Pond Turtle: I don't see how W plans to make nuff in the center
Rocco: What's the point of entry to reduce here as black?
Rocco: From the bottom up?
FinrodFelagund: K5 looks like it
Rocco: Yes
quy: i like M7
Rocco: K6 a thing?
Rocco: I wonder
FinrodFelagund: No need to stretch. White wants to start an all or nothing fight
Pond Turtle: B just needs to play good endgame IMHO
Rocco: That's sound
iaznab: b airport needs to be 60+ points...
iaznab: it's a big airport
Rocco: Why is it called an airport? 
Rocco: :P
Uberdude: big enough to land a plane in it
Rocco: Oh/
BodoW: so black can land in it?
Pond Turtle: kata says B up by 15
iaznab: I called it an airport because I saw Uberdude call it that :D
Ville: there's no way that center will be big enough
Rocco: Fitting. 
Uberdude: hah, fix the corner aji
Uberdude: so there is something there
Uberdude: lets find it
Rocco: I think so.
Rocco: It won't play something that small without aji.
FinrodFelagund: Would you find that in an actual game Uberdude?
FinrodFelagund: Because that's some black magic
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Pond Turtle: AI move. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 C7 
Pond Turtle: if nothing else that tells you that B is doing well
Pond Turtle: not necessarily
Pond Turtle: might be just how AI plays
Pond Turtle: AI is happy to win by 5pts but very surely
FinrodFelagund: Katago also optimizes score if I recall correctly 
Pond Turtle: according to kata B was ahead by 15 just playing here. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 C7 
Pond Turtle: So I'd say they just needed to reduce and play endgame
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Uberdude: bingo. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 R12 B7 C7 D8 B10 A8 B9 E2 G2 C3 B3 B4 D3 C5 D4 B6 
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Uberdude: long L is 1000 yr ko. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 R12 B7 C7 D8 B10 A8 B9 E2 G2 C3 B4 B3 D4 D3 
Rocco: A lot of it seems forced..
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Pond Turtle: what robot says. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 R12 B7 C7 D8 B10 B6 C5 E2 G2 C3 B3 D4 D5 D3 B4 B2 A6 A8 B9 A3 B5 C1 
Pond Turtle: similar
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Rocco: Something like this?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 T19 B7 C7 D8 B9 E2 G2 C3 
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Uberdude: the connect and die is much easier to see by playing out
Uberdude: in a long game maybe
Rocco: K8...
Uberdude: yeah totally unncessary
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Pond Turtle: I wonder if playedrs are aware
Pond Turtle: makes sense AI literally just want to connect and win with endagme
FinrodFelagund: Is K8 an overplay?
Rocco: Isn't black currently asking for trouble?
Pond Turtle: last thing you want to do when ahead is increase the entropy of the game
Rocco: K8 was a thank you move it seems, but it won't be enough?
Uberdude: abort abort
Uberdude: just play r12
FinrodFelagund: If white kills K8 then finds E
snowman: we'll see if black can count
FinrodFelagund: E2*
Uberdude: instead of keep digging bigger hole
Uberdude: (I am really bad at doing that in overtime)
Pond Turtle: That stone canstill be abandoned
Rocco: They are both on 1 min b-y now?
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Pond Turtle: as long as B does not add to it and hence help white grow center
snowman: almost
Uberdude: another 'please cut me'
Rocco: lol
Pond Turtle: Uberdude can K8 be called a probe?
kisakatsomo: White is in byo-yomi. Black has a few minutes before byo-yomi
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Uberdude: it's probing if your opponent is stupid
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ronin3: white center does not look so big
FinrodFelagund: You could call it a bad probe
Uberdude: maybe there could be a combination against m3 or something
iaznab: I don't like the last 3 black moves, looks like trouble
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iaznab: I thought b could win by just simple reductions
Rocco: N7 loooks cute at least. :P
FinrodFelagund: Like, a good probe shouldn't end up as aji-keshi, right? 
Uberdude: this hane does use k8
iaznab: yeah you're giving w a target to kill
Rocco: More like a good offering. 
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ronin3: if it is keshi of the aji of your opponent, then is good ^^'
ronin3: while maintaining all of your aji
Rocco: C7 and R12 was the road to victory
Rocco: :D
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Uberdude: g12?
Pond Turtle: I mean they are strong players and I don¨t know how to play Go
Rocco: G12 is screaming.
Pond Turtle: but B does seem to be asking to lose
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FinrodFelagund: B just doesn't realize how ahead he was I think
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ronin3: maybe B needs to humiliate the opponent for reasons unknown
FinrodFelagund: So is trying to play the strongest line
Pond Turtle: I would expect 5d to have accurate count no?
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ronin3: maybe they're 5d fox
FinrodFelagund: idk, my count is never accurate
Pond Turtle: if I could count B was ahead correctly so should they
Uberdude: lol ronin
kisakatsomo: Both players are now in byo-yomi
ronin3: ^^
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Rocco: J7?
Rocco: :<
Rocco: Dunno.
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snowman: another suicide?
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Uberdude: I remember at tampere egc javier solved a hard tsumego
Pond Turtle: If I am deciding on lose/win direction of play, it would warrant to sacrifice a period ofr quick count?
Rocco: He did the classic panic at moyo size move. 
Pond Turtle: I mean I don't want to diss 5d play being 4k
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Pond Turtle: but it seems unreasonable anyway I look at it
ronin3: too late we will copy paste all this chat and send it to them after the match
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FinrodFelagund: It can be hard to count the value of all the endgame moves correctly. Just doing an optimistic count of white's moyo and a pessimistic count of B's territory could have been deceptive 
Rocco: There is tournament pressure too..
Rocco: It's not all that simple. 
Uberdude: I can make 10k mistakes under pressure
Rocco: Even Ke Jie..
snowman: assu should have joined our many earlier kibitz about the center territory size
]
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ronin3: we need more clips of scenes like the Ke Jie self-slap
Uberdude: I thin Javier is a slow player, struggles with overtime
FinrodFelagund: Just watch me do tsumego Ronin 
Uberdude: is that right snowman?
Pond Turtle: reading blunder is different from bad evaluation
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Ville: D10 works for white now too
snowman: slow, for sure
Rocco: Well, both occurred here.
Rocco: Bad evaluation for black.
Rocco: Reading blunder for white. 
snowman: sometimes it's an advantage...
ronin3: nice, Ville
Rocco: Is black behind yet?
Pond Turtle: after move 126
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iaznab: b is surely still comfortably ahead, but c7 makes my skin crawl
FinrodFelagund: What does kata say?
FinrodFelagund: Combination of E2 and D10 might tip things over
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Pond Turtle: B is still up by 12 according to kata
FinrodFelagund: ah, interesting that we see B messing up royally but it only costs him 3 pts
]
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snowman: per move?
Rocco: :P
]
;B[km]C[

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FinrodFelagund: net, if I interpret Pond Turtle correctly
Rocco: in total
Uberdude: o9 did break in a bit
Uberdude: the dying in centre made w answer cautiosuly here
FinrodFelagund: W can try P7 later?
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Uberdude: yeah, b needs to spend a move to fix
Pond Turtle: B plus 5 now
Pond Turtle: threw away another 7
snowman: all this center belong to white
Rocco: anybody's game now
Uberdude: it's an airport full of dirty tracks in the snow
Pond Turtle: Poor B
Pond Turtle: Good lesson tho
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Pond Turtle: B plus 2,8
Rocco: Feels like he's bargaining on a mistake. 
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Uberdude: w could still mess up, but I think prodi is pretty consistent at only making small mistakes
snowman: Assu has played so well recently that I'm a little surprised
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Pond Turtle: W is back in the game
snowman: Perhaps Prodi went to a monastery to study or calm his mind :)
]
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Uberdude: m8 not as greedy as i would be :)
]
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snowman: yeah :)
snowman: but did we count...
maxpz: is r12 big enough soon?
]
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dede.moussa000: insted of connecting W shold have taken the vital point
FinrodFelagund: Where was the vital point?
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dede.moussa000: N6
Uberdude: yeah o6
Uberdude: w lower group sad now
]
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dede.moussa000: Yes
]
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FinrodFelagund: Question, should B be cutting or playing something like L2?
FinrodFelagund: Force white to connect on dame?
dede.moussa000: And then there may be havoc in the black corner
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dede.moussa000: Afetr black took N6 his corner is solid
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dede.moussa000: K4 meaningless. B should aim at M2
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Rocco: Do you mean L4?
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dede.moussa000: I mean the kosumi
dede.moussa000: and M2 placement
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Rocco: I see.
FinrodFelagund: Black cuts, but white can just take good endgame to live, I guess
]
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Pond Turtle: here?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 M8 O6 D10 N5 M6 L4 M4 R12 R11 J6 K6 M5 L5 O5 R4 S4 K2 
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FinrodFelagund: black gets more pts?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 M8 O6 D10 N5 M6 L4 M4 R12 R11 J6 K6 M5 L5 O5 R4 S4 K2 L2 L3 J2 K4 K1 
Pond Turtle: well you don't wanna die
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quy: 02 ?
quy: O2 is ok ?
FinrodFelagund: Right, but better to live big than connect small
]
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Rocco: Going for the kill?
snowman: ijime
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FinrodFelagund: ijime?
Pond Turtle: really second half of this game feels like B placed 20pts handi on themselves
]
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;B[nr]C[

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snowman: something like bullying
snowman: just doesn't really work here
]
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quy: w wins right
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FinrodFelagund: I think black was just looking for a semedori Rocco
Pond Turtle: weirdly no
Pond Turtle: Kata is still holding around 5pts for B
]
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snowman: diminishing returns, i see
Pond Turtle: actually they gained 2pts by all this if you can beleive that
Pond Turtle: probably due to semedori
Pond Turtle: and sente
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Ville: ko?
]
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FinrodFelagund: uh oh
]
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FinrodFelagund: R1?
Pond Turtle: can B win that ko
]
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FinrodFelagund: Guess it's a ko either way
]
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Rocco: semedori?
Pond Turtle: I would expect white to start using that aji
]
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Pond Turtle: in the corner
Rocco: squeeze?
]
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Pond Turtle: Kata says perfectly even btw
]
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Pond Turtle: by 1pt anyway
snowman: :)
]
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Pond Turtle: is there any downside to B losing this ko?
Pond Turtle: it it loks like sorta pincic ko at least
]
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FinrodFelagund: P2 wasted maybe?
FinrodFelagund: R1 seemed like it did the same thing but from the outside
Rocco: What is semidori? :P
Pond Turtle: semedori is when you have to capture stones sooner or later
]
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Pond Turtle: So there are no points other than captured stones
Pond Turtle: even if B left that triangle in there W has to capture it eventually
]
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Rocco: Ah
Rocco: F12?
]
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Pond Turtle: that is a good response
Pond Turtle: kyus might miss it
]
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;W[po]
;B[ri]
;W[rj]
;B[pp]
;W[ma]
(;B[na]
;W[po]
;B[ci]
;W[bg]
;B[pp]
;W[mf]
;B[ka]
;W[po]
;B[ip]
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;B[io]
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JeffChang: because w will directly take the liberty
dede.moussa000: Now the aji in Black's lower left corner comes to life. Black should quickly play at B10
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Pond Turtle: I  guess netiher player sees the sequence
Pond Turtle: they are in byo
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Pond Turtle: ha
Pond Turtle: B plus 8 now
]
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;W[ah]
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FinrodFelagund: Yeah, Kata might be overestimating W's position if it was waiting for E2
]
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Pond Turtle: nah it was at B plus 8 ever since W gave up on the ko
Pond Turtle: and connected J5
]
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;W[af]
;B[ad]
;W[go]
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Pond Turtle: It is crazy that after all the misplay in the center and pushing with the ko, B only lost net 8 pts
]
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Pond Turtle: solid?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 M8 O6 D10 N5 M6 L4 M4 R12 R11 J6 K6 M5 L5 O5 R4 S4 L2 O3 O4 N4 N3 O2 K4 N2 M2 P5 P1 Q4 P3 P2 Q5 J9 F9 Q4 G18 F18 Q5 O10 O11 Q4 P17 P18 Q5 P10 P11 Q4 J19 G19 Q5 H15 G13 Q4 L14 G15 J16 M19 Q5 S11 S10 Q4 N19 O19 Q5 C11 B13 Q4 N14 L19 Q5 J4 N1 J5 J7 H6 H7 S8 S9 C7 D8 B10 A12 T11 S7 S6 T8 K2 L3 A15 A14 A16 G5 H4 K1 J1 L1 J2 E2 G2 A10 B7 
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dede.moussa000: B can connect. W should have cut at B7
Vorrade: T10
]
;W[bk]
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;W[dk]
;B[ai]
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Pond Turtle: What is it with B
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Rocco: What the hell is going on. xD
Pond Turtle: O.o
]
;B[rg]
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JeffChang: b simply wants to have a free day tomorrow, really hard. :D
Rocco: Every time I tab back in the game is in a completely different state. 
]
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FinrodFelagund: Wow, come back and its changed again
]
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;W[aj]
;B[sn]
;W[sm]
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norppa: They need some light. I can hardly see the board.
]
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Pond Turtle: eyes percieve different than camera
Pond Turtle: maybe they did not notice
Vorrade: B5 is nice
]
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Pond Turtle: btw kata literally gives even game now
Pond Turtle: less than 1pt difference
]
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Rocco: ouch
Vegetable: and now? :D
]
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Pond Turtle: same, W up by 0,77
Rocco: ~~
Vegetable: interesting
Pond Turtle: I am sorry this will ne hilarious if W wins
]
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JeffChang: that is the tendency
dede.moussa000: now W is winning
]
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snowman: yappari
Pond Turtle: well B just wouldn't accept the win
]
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Pond Turtle: now W takes A9 in sente
dede.moussa000: correct yose play : kosumi
]
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dede.moussa000: wrong
Pond Turtle: kata agrees withA4 actually
dede.moussa000: yes since blac can return here eventually
Ville: you play the kosumi after white takes 
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dede.moussa000: but A6 was the correct move
]
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Ville: is there a difference?
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Pond Turtle: maybe B was trying to force 0,5 win
]
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;W[qe]
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laercioskt: :0
iaznab: wow, wild game
]
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;B[gn]
;W[jo]
;B[gm]
;W[pe]
;B[po]
;W[hg]
;B[am]
;W[ak]
;B[ps]
;W[dr]
;B[cq]
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;B[fc]
;W[ps]
;B[fm]
;W[fh]
;B[dd]
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kisakatsomo: Players are counting now
Pond Turtle: Sheesh, what a game
Pond Turtle: 0,5 pt
kisakatsomo: Blacks wins by half a point
Rocco: wow
kisakatsomo: Sos it's 1-1 now
Vegetable: yay
jillgoodgal: so I guess corners are not overrated
Vegetable: we get a game tmorrow
snowman: Good entertainment
Pond Turtle: Interesting game, thank both players!
Vegetable: very nice game
kisakatsomo: Last game tommorrow 8am UTC
Pond Turtle: same players?
kisakatsomo: Yes it's 1-1 now. Best of 3
Uberdude: nice
Uberdude: thanks for broadcast
]
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(;W[ka]
;B[ha]C[

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FinrodFelagund: Now white has to ko just the follow up on the threat?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 M8 O6 D10 N5 M6 L4 M4 R12 R11 J6 K6 M5 L5 O5 R4 S4 L2 O3 O4 N4 N3 O2 K4 N2 M2 P5 P1 Q4 P3 P2 Q5 J9 F9 Q4 G18 F18 Q5 O10 O11 Q4 P17 P18 Q5 P10 P11 Q4 J19 G19 Q5 H15 G13 Q4 L14 G15 J16 M19 Q5 S11 S10 Q4 N19 Q1 L19 H19 
FinrodFelagund: Anyone know why B didn't just take the ko after N19?
]
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Pond Turtle: because they did not want to lose M16 stones?
]
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FinrodFelagund: ah
FinrodFelagund: i.e. I'm a dummy
]
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Pond Turtle: I wonder if this was ok trade. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 M8 O6 D10 N5 M6 L4 M4 R12 R11 J6 K6 M5 L5 O5 R4 S4 L2 O3 O4 N4 N3 O2 K4 N2 M2 P5 P1 Q4 P3 P2 Q5 J9 F9 Q4 G18 F18 Q5 O10 O11 Q4 P17 P18 Q5 P10 P11 Q4 J19 G19 Q5 H15 G13 Q4 L14 G15 J16 Q1 N14 
Pond Turtle: pts look about the same
Pond Turtle: B keeps sente
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FinrodFelagund: the right response for W?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 M8 O6 D10 N5 M6 L4 M4 R12 R11 J6 K6 M5 L5 O5 R4 S4 L2 O3 O4 N4 N3 O2 K4 N2 M2 P5 P1 Q4 P3 P2 Q5 J9 F9 Q4 G18 F18 Q5 O10 O11 Q4 P17 P18 Q5 P10 P11 Q4 J19 G19 Q5 H15 J16 
quy: i predict black will come out a bit ahead at end game
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FinrodFelagund: like this?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 M8 O6 D10 N5 M6 L4 M4 R12 R11 J6 K6 M5 L5 O5 R4 S4 L2 O3 O4 N4 N3 O2 K4 N2 M2 P5 P1 Q4 P3 R1 N1 Q1 Q5 
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Pond Turtle: Kata still wants to play here. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 M8 O6 D10 N5 M6 L4 M4 R12 R11 J6 K6 C7 
Pond Turtle: it just just B plus 5 now, much closer
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FinrodFelagund: here?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 L6 L8 N6 O7 O6 
FinrodFelagund: makes sense
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Rocco: means this?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 K13 E8 E7 J14 K14 L17 L18 K17 K18 E10 H5 B12 D11 C9 B11 B8 Q2 R7 Q8 K3 R3 S2 F8 L12 M14 J15 K15 J18 J17 H18 G10 L16 J13 M16 M18 N18 M7 K8 K7 H11 H10 N7 N8 O8 N9 J11 G12 G11 F11 F10 E11 G9 H9 H8 G8 O9 N10 H13 H12 J12 H14 L7 N6 
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maxpz: b couldn't c7 first? to create a weakness?
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Uberdude: B6. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 B6 B5 C7 D4 
Uberdude: If b resists there's some double atari
FinrodFelagund: So the advantage is just getting B6 and C7 in sente?
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maxpz: but why can't b c7 after b6? i don't see it...
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maxpz: ahhhh thank you
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Uberdude: Lib problem. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 L15 B6 C7 B7 D8 D4 D5 C5 
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Uberdude: Compare to b first. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 F6 H3 E6 Q6 Q11 S3 M3 C6 N17 O17 O16 N16 M17 N15 K16 S17 H17 R14 Q13 Q14 P14 P13 O14 Q12 P12 R13 O13 S16 Q13 C16 D15 G17 H16 F14 B15 B16 E13 F13 E12 R2 C8 D6 D7 C7 D8 B8 B9 B7 C9 
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Pond Turtle: Preffered AI var. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 H3 F7 G5 E2 
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Pond Turtle: Expected this. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 G4 E3 E4 F5 E5 G3 F2 G2 E2 D3 D2 F6 H4 J3 
Uberdude: Yeah w cuts a stone off some decent value
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Pond Turtle: is this attempt to hurt A indirectly?. From move 0: C4 Q3 D17 Q16 R5 P4 F3 C15 F16 C12 R17 R16 Q17 P16 O18 R8 C10 F4 E3 H4 G4 G5 G3 K5 
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