2nd Istanbul Handicap Go Title Match Game 2

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Mehmet Barış Albayrak[2d]

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Özgür Değirmenci[4d]

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Rules: Japanese

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March 27, 2016

[11:32] Kungfu Panda[1k]: Thank you for relay here IstanbulGO

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[11:33] IstanbulGO[5d]: Thank you for watching ^.^

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[11:33] Jwill1997[20k]: So what's going in this match?

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[11:33] Kungfu Panda[1k]: It is a 2 stone handicap game

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[11:34] Kungfu Panda[1k]: With a 2 stone handicap game, white can play just normal.

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[11:34] Jwill1997[20k]: Thank you

[11:34] Shweetz[11k]: basically, yes

[11:34] Kungfu Panda[1k]: With 5-6 stones and more, you have to do tricky overplays

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[11:34] Shweetz[11k]: trick moves :D

[11:35] Shweetz[11k]: trikc is banned ?

[11:35] Kungfu Panda[1k]: But here with 2, you can see white is just playing normal

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[11:39] Shweetz[11k]: they didn't even play in the last corner

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[11:39] Shweetz[11k]: 2-3 stones handicap is just weird

[11:39] Shweetz[11k]: there are 2 open corners

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[11:44] Kungfu Panda[1k]: White is thinking about a way to get out in sente, to take the last corner

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[11:47] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black is a little more agressive compared to the last game.

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[11:54] IstanbulGO[5d]: now almost half an hour into the game. Almost 15 minutes off each player's clock.

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[12:00] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black has a bad habit of playing with stuff around him, especially the heater :p

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[12:08] IstanbulGO[5d]: This move took about 7 minutes off Whites clock

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[12:11] Kungfu Panda[1k]: G6 of black is a little weird. it doesn't really attack or take points...

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[12:15] Kungfu Panda[1k]: Black again plays a weird move... Just this exchange is good for White already

[12:15] IstanbulGO[5d]: I agree, especially since it desperately asks for a stone around Q4

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[12:19] IstanbulGO[5d]: now it seems G6 will be a burden more than help.

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[12:23] Kungfu Panda[1k]: daring moves by black

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[12:39] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black is one of the first players to reach shodan from İstanbul. He was away for a while in Germany for academic purposes.

[12:40] Motylek[1k]: Black seems to be too much focusing on territory. Is he territorial player?

[12:41] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is a double major student and has been one of the top three Turkish players for the last 5 years. Representing Turkey in the KPMC multiple times.

[12:42] RoboTeddy[4k]: what are the time controls?

[12:43] IstanbulGO[5d]: I can't really say. His style can and does change.

[12:44] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black 1:14:--, White 1:32:-- seconds are not shown as both have more than 10 mins on the clock.

[12:44] RoboTeddy[4k]: any overtime?

[12:44] RoboTeddy[4k]: (or fischer increment, etc)

[12:44] IstanbulGO[5d]: 5x1 minutes byoyomi

[12:45] Kungfu Panda[1k]: I would try J4 here...

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[12:49] Motylek[1k]: K17, G6, G2 those all are looking strange to me and it seems like black is wishing for fight with many small territories.

[12:51] IstanbulGO[5d]: That is more like him yes. A complicated game full of fighting. Not good for handicap games but...

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[12:52] RoboTeddy[4k]: Variation: maybe here?

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[12:53] RobertT[5d]: k17 was fine but g6 was strange and the left side had a couple bad exchanges

[12:53] IstanbulGO[5d]: Btw the clocks started off with 2 hrs each. We are 1hr 15 mins into the game right now.

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[12:53] RoboTeddy[4k]: RobertT: what moves might you consider next as black?

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[12:54] Kungfu Panda[1k]: h2 to link up

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[12:56] Kungfu Panda[1k]: This seems a good timing to give that last corner a owner

[12:56] RobertT[5d]: maybe play in bottom right and streat h2 and b4 as miai

[12:56] RobertT[5d]: treat*

[12:57] IstanbulGO[5d]: but wouldn't that give black an open skirt in both areas?

[12:58] RobertT[5d]: well m3 isn't even a moyo let alone territory so it isn't really an open skirt so it just leaves it open on 1 side

[12:58] RobertT[5d]: its basically just reading if the corner is fine. if it is then playing in the empty corner should be bigger

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[13:00] RobertT[5d]: what in the world is k7....

[13:00] RoboTeddy[4k]: what's the idea behind K7? reduce white's center while threaten to make a moyo on bottom..?

[13:00] Fellow[7k]: why r5

[13:01] IstanbulGO[5d]: I have no idea -.-

[13:01] RobertT[5d]: k7 is nonsense

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[13:01] Kungfu Panda[1k]: Black played a floating move before, again not really taking points or putting pressure on white

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[13:01] RobertT[5d]: black thinks center > side > corner

[13:02] Fellow[7k]: white will approach?

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[13:02] Fellow[7k]: ok

[13:02] BerrySoldier[16k]: pincer now?

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[13:04] RobertT[5d]: Variation: I think this was better in this situation

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[13:05] RoboTeddy[4k]: is Q17 joseki?

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[13:05] RoboTeddy[4k]: is P4 better because it makes potential for black on bottom smaller?

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[13:05] IstanbulGO[5d]: I think black was afraid of White getting influence in the center probably played K7 out of that fear.

[13:06] Fellow[7k]: probe?

[13:07] Kungfu Panda[1k]: Or maybe just annoying move trying to complicate things :)

[13:07] RobertT[5d]: it is joseki in the sense that it is a known move.... its just almost always bad

[13:07] RoboTeddy[4k]: I guess maybe also P4 faces right side moreso, and right side is pretty open

[13:07] RobertT[5d]: its a special case move

[13:08] Fellow[7k]: I need to try q17

[13:08] RoboTeddy[4k]: fellow: sounds like probably best avoided for now!

[13:08] Fellow[7k]: ill look at it before

[13:08] RoboTeddy[4k]: unless as an invasion later, rather than in response to opponent playing in corner

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[13:09] Fellow[7k]: and learn follow ups

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[13:10] RobertT[5d]: Variation: normal result

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[13:19] Kungfu Panda[1k]: What are moves black could consider here?

[13:20] RobertT[5d]: Variation: d1

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[13:20] RobertT[5d]: and D is played...

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[13:22] RoboTeddy[4k]: Variation: cut?

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[13:23] Kungfu Panda[1k]: Q14 stone can be treated lightly

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[13:25] Kungfu Panda[1k]: My guess is that white is hoping for a defensive response from black at P6

[13:28] IstanbulGO[5d]: So if my estimate is not too far off, white has a ~10 point lead in territory

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[13:28] RobertT[5d]: Variation: btw this was the move

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[13:37] RoboTeddy[4k]: Variation: for black?

[13:38] RobertT[5d]: close

[13:39] RoboTeddy[4k]: maybe wrong to count that bit at the right of the top side

[13:39] IstanbulGO[5d]: That is about what I was counting. Since the lower left corner is open and the upper center can be reduced if not invaded.

[13:39] RobertT[5d]: not as much on top and the shape of the territories is a little different then what you marked

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[13:40] RobertT[5d]: white still has h18 to remove a lot from the top

[13:40] RoboTeddy[4k]: ah wow good point

[13:40] RoboTeddy[4k]: thank you

[13:42] IstanbulGO[5d]: Just to give you a heads up, there will be a break in 20 mins. The game will continue after that.

[13:42] RobertT[5d]: I don't get a break in the middle of the game in my tournaments :(

[13:43] IstanbulGO[5d]: Right now: Black 0:37:-- and counting, White 1:10:-- seems Black will have time trouble again.

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[13:43] IstanbulGO[5d]: This is a special match, one of its kind in Turkey right now ^.^

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[13:44] IstanbulGO[5d]: It's about 17:00 right now, time for tea or supper depending on the players' needs.

[13:45] RoboTeddy[4k]: is it me, or do these last couple of moves look very painful for black?

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[13:47] emauton[6k]: IstanbulGO: Thanks for relaying, it's fun to follow along.

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[13:50] IstanbulGO[5d]: Thank you for your interest. And thanks for the comments.

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[13:55] RoboTeddy[4k]: looks like white is threatening to swallow those three stones in the top right...

[13:56] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black will be sealing this move.

[14:00] IstanbulGO[5d]: Game will resume at 17:30 local time, 14:30 UTC/GMT, 10:30 EST that is in 30 minutes

[14:44] IstanbulGO[5d]: Game will commence in 5 minutes. Players are returning.

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[14:54] RobertT[5d]: r7 should be fine

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[14:55] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black 0:23:--, White 1:05:--

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[14:59] RobertT[5d]: Variation: then tenuki

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[15:04] RobertT[5d]: Variation: or maybe this then tenuki is better

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[15:06] IstanbulGO[5d]: I think Black is trying to read this out as he is focused on the corner.

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[15:13] IstanbulGO[5d]: Everything is proceeding as you have foreseen RobertT ^.^

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[15:14] IstanbulGO[5d]: Oops deviation.

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[15:16] RobertT[5d]: same thing just slight change in the order

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[15:19] IstanbulGO[5d]: Was that an actual quote do you think? Or was Michael Redmond not aware of the possible link?

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[15:20] RobertT[5d]: most likely unaware

[15:21] IstanbulGO[5d]: It was both entertaining and shocking for Star Wars fans here :D

[15:23] IstanbulGO[5d]: O9 both ladder breaker and White's ticket out.

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[15:30] IstanbulGO[5d]: Strange that there are no Turkish kibitzers. I'm guessing most of the guest accounts watching right now are local go players.

[15:33] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black 38 seconds left until byoyomi.

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[15:35] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black is now in byoyomi. (5 x 1 min)

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[15:38] IstanbulGO[5d]: 4 periods left.

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[15:46] IstanbulGO[5d]: Time, Black: 4x1min byoyomi, White: 42mins

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[15:58] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black 3x1 min byoyomi, White: 35 mins

[15:58] emauton[6k]: That white group is looking somewhat draconic.

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[16:00] IstanbulGO[5d]: N8 group? It lives! (why did that sound like a horror movie title in my head now?) ^.^

[16:01] emauton[6k]: Hehe

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[16:03] UlaşÖren[3d]: q7 would be nice i guess

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[16:04] IstanbulGO[5d]: Beyaz? Siyah? White? Black?

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[16:04] IstanbulGO[5d]: Speaking of which :)

[16:05] UlaşÖren[3d]: now i feel like w is safe

[16:05] UlaşÖren[3d]: because of the ko 2 eyes is easy

[16:06] IstanbulGO[5d]: if only there was a working tesuji like J12. Ko is only half an eye.

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[16:07] UlaşÖren[3d]: yeah but white eont lose because every attempt at escape is a threat

[16:07] IstanbulGO[5d]: So now would be the time to initiate it you say?

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[16:08] UlaşÖren[3d]: its already alive:D

[16:08] IstanbulGO[5d]: White can get 2 eyes with M11 but I'm guessing he wants sente if he can get it.

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[16:10] UlaşÖren[3d]: now w needs to respond

[16:10] UlaşÖren[3d]: ko would be bad i assume

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[16:11] UlaşÖren[3d]: still testing

[16:12] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black: 2x1 min byoyomi, White: 28 mins

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[16:16] UlaşÖren[3d]: this one is dangerous

[16:17] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black's middle names seems to be danger and not peace :p

[16:17] IstanbulGO[5d]: *name

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[16:18] UlaşÖren[3d]: could be losing move

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[16:18] UlaşÖren[3d]: now black loses top points

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[16:19] UlaşÖren[3d]: it was close before this sequence

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[16:19] UlaşÖren[3d]: now w+

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[16:20] Shweetz[11k]: Variation: black can connect 13 or this ?

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[16:20] Shweetz[11k]: D13*

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[16:20] UlaşÖren[3d]: w just squeeze after cut

[16:21] UlaşÖren[3d]: doesnt work

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[16:21] Shweetz[11k]: ah ye

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[16:22] UlaşÖren[3d]: and w connecting is sente for the left group

[16:22] UlaşÖren[3d]: so both way is not good for black

[16:24] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black: 2x1min b.y. - White 20 mins

[16:25] UlaşÖren[3d]: black try to make points in the middle but there are none to make

[16:26] IstanbulGO[5d]: More like trying to erase White's points?

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[16:30] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black is down to his last byoyomi period. White still has more than 15mins.

[16:31] UlaşÖren[3d]: l18 looks like sente

[16:32] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is focused on the top part of the board, could be evaluating that.

[16:32] UlaşÖren[3d]: and b will get it if w doesnt move there now

[16:32] UlaşÖren[3d]: big difference

[16:33] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is counting down from 12 mins.

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[16:35] UlaşÖren[3d]: özgür yosede tam bir canavar

[16:36] IstanbulGO[5d]: Ona çalışıp duruyor ne zamandır.

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[16:39] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is counting down from 10 mins

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[16:43] IstanbulGO[5d]: :S

[16:43] emauton[6k]: Was that a "timesuji", or is there something there for black?

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[16:47] IstanbulGO[5d]: Complicated.

[16:47] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is down to 2 mins

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[16:47] IstanbulGO[5d]: And it would be a complicated semeai.

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[16:48] UlaşÖren[3d]: w is fien but b gets semedori

[16:48] UlaşÖren[3d]: i think w should have responded with c18

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[16:51] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is aiming to please the audience by creating exciting situations.

[16:51] emauton[6k]: Heh.

[16:51] emauton[6k]: How do you feel things stand on the board now?

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[16:52] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is now in byoyomi

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[16:52] UlaşÖren[3d]: big ko

[16:52] UlaşÖren[3d]: many steps

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[16:54] UlaşÖren[3d]: özgür batırdı

[16:54] UlaşÖren[3d]: c18 iyiydi

[16:55] IstanbulGO[5d]: C18 <3

[16:55] UlaşÖren[3d]: siyah kapatır oyun biter

[16:56] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is down to 3 periods of byoyomi.

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[16:56] UlaşÖren[3d]: yani içerde bi tek d18 var

[16:56] UlaşÖren[3d]: bu da var

[16:56] UlaşÖren[3d]: 2 tehditbulursa siyah gg

[16:56] IstanbulGO[5d]: ^.^

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[16:57] UlaşÖren[3d]: c7 bir

[16:57] UlaşÖren[3d]: ikinci yok:D

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[16:58] UlaşÖren[3d]: ööö ama olmaz kiböyle

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[16:58] UlaşÖren[3d]: j17 lazımdı

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[16:59] UlaşÖren[3d]: siyahın tenukilemesi lazım ama tahta doldu

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[17:02] IstanbulGO[5d]: White is down to 2 periods.

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[17:04] IstanbulGO[5d]: Both players are in their last period.

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[17:04] UlaşÖren[3d]: orta büyük oldu baya

[17:04] UlaşÖren[3d]: siyah arayı kapadı gibi koyla

[17:05] IstanbulGO[5d]: Puan yok diyordun bir de.

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[17:05] UlaşÖren[3d]: yoktu

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[17:05] UlaşÖren[3d]: f11le d2yi değiştiler

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[17:06] UlaşÖren[3d]: l16yı da beleş aldı kodan

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[17:06] UlaşÖren[3d]: büyük oldu

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[17:06] IstanbulGO[5d]: Everybody's on the edge of their seats here.

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[17:07] emauton[6k]: :o)

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[17:08] IstanbulGO[5d]: uh-oh

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[17:09] UlaşÖren[3d]: özgür değişir gibi gelmişti bana

[17:09] UlaşÖren[3d]: niye kapadı ki?

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[17:10] IstanbulGO[5d]: Eğlence?

[17:10] IstanbulGO[5d]: Bilemiyorum artık

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[17:12] UlaşÖren[3d]: beyazın h11den sürmesi lazım silmek için ama ko tehdidi kalmıyo siyah direnirse

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[17:12] UlaşÖren[3d]: böyle siyah aldı oyunu gibi

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[17:16] IstanbulGO[5d]: Black wins, White concedes.

[17:16] UlaşÖren[3d]: evet fark olmuş sayınca

[17:17] emauton[6k]: Nice. Thanks again for the relay, IstanbulGO.

[17:17] UlaşÖren[3d]: gg

[17:17] IstanbulGO[5d]: Thanks for your time and interest everyone.

[17:19] IstanbulGO[5d]: They are now in post-mortem analysis.

[17:19] IstanbulGO[5d]: See you next game.

[17:19] IstanbulGO[5d]: The times will be annouced from our twitter and facebook pages.

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[17:21] IstanbulGO[5d]: White said this would not be enough and he was feeling behind

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[17:21] UlaşÖren[3d]: resist

[17:22] UlaşÖren[3d]: niye bağlanmasına izin veriyo?

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[17:24] UlaşÖren[3d]: bence dirense yakındı

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[17:35] IstanbulGO[5d]: painful for white

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[17:47] UlaşÖren[3d]: şimdi ortaya bişeyler lazım

[17:47] UlaşÖren[3d]: önce d14ü kapatsa

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[17:47] UlaşÖren[3d]: sonra j15 iyi gibi

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[17:48] UlaşÖren[3d]: bence d2 kötüydü

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[17:48] UlaşÖren[3d]: b16yı da kapatabiliyo

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[17:50] UlaşÖren[3d]: yoruldular heralde

[17:50] UlaşÖren[3d]: teşekkürler hocam ben kaçıyorum

[17:50] UlaşÖren[3d]: selam söyleyin herkese