Becoming 9 kyu - Lesson 12

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June 15, 2019

[17:49] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: hello

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[17:50] 中文名字是文森[4k]: hi

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[17:50] wooolf[11k]: Hello

[17:51] mark5000[8d]: Hello! :)

[17:51] WeiqiGO0[14k]: Hello o/

[17:51] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: i definately need this lesson on shape

[17:52] akaii[?]: Hey guys

[17:52] OptionalPlayer[1d]: give me that knowledge!

[17:53] OptionalPlayer[1d]: sound?

[17:53] Saksila[6d]: does bad shape only has these 4 ?

[17:53] Saksila[6d]: someone asking

[17:53] 中文名字是文森[4k]: assuming the displayed shapes in the first variation are the worst shapes you can do with the given number of stones, isn't the worst shape with six stones on P5 instead of O3?

[17:53] OptionalPlayer[1d]: is b2 bomber not here cause it's a good shape?

[17:53] mark5000[8d]: This is an audio lecture, so there's no sound. This is to allow for review by players who didn't see it now.

[17:53] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: not the only bad shapes but some basic bad shapes im assuming

[17:54] mark5000[8d]: And no, there are more bad shapes than these four. These are examples of the worst offenders.

[17:55] mark5000[8d]: Bad shapes are characterized by clumpy groups and less liberties than they could otherwise achieve if they were arranged differently.

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[17:59] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: hane

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[17:59] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: cut

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[18:00] OptionalPlayer[1d]: attach

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[18:00] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: cut between

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[18:01] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: do you make a net?

[18:01] OptionalPlayer[1d]: knight's move?

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[18:02] OptionalPlayer[1d]: hane underneath?

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[18:02] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: why does black have to block

[18:03] mark5000[8d]: Black doesn't have to block. Black should see the bad shape and sacrifice a stone.

[18:03] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: ok thanks

[18:03] mark5000[8d]: The choice is painful for your opponent. Try to force situations where they have to choose between making a bad shape or sacrificing stones.

[18:04] mark5000[8d]: Then you are probably doing well.

[18:04] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: ok

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[18:05] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: shoulder hit?

[18:05] mark5000[8d]: On which point? Sorry.

[18:05] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: or just attatch at C7

[18:05] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: D7?

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[18:06] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: oh yeah thats bad

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[18:07] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: so maybe something underneath

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[18:08] bodlike[3k]: C14?

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[18:08] S. Robeson[6k]: mybe C5

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[18:08] mark5000[8d]: c14 is interesting, but our focus is on attacking c6.

[18:08] bodlike[3k]: oh ok

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[18:08] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: C14 makes an empty triangle but its just dead though right

[18:09] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: yeah underneath. that makes sense

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[18:10] sarut.wanamkang[3k]: Hi there

[18:10] mark5000[8d]: Hello.

[18:10] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: E7?

[18:10] Assassin_in_White[7k]: D8

[18:10] OptionalPlayer[1d]: d8?

[18:10] OmegaAlexander[6k]: F1o

[18:11] wooolf[11k]: e6? : )

[18:11] OmegaAlexander[6k]: F10

[18:11] OptionalPlayer[1d]: E6 then D8?

[18:11] jiwon02[6k]: d8

[18:11] mark5000[8d]: It seems many of you watched my lesson on good shape earlier. :)

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[18:11] OptionalPlayer[1d]: no we are all just smart

[18:11] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: lol im dumb

[18:12] OptionalPlayer[1d]: lol

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[18:12] Assassin_in_White[7k]: couldn't black answer E6 with D8 themselved

[18:13] mark5000[8d]: Yep

[18:13] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: yeah thats bad for white

[18:13] mark5000[8d]: That's why it's not the best answer for White

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[18:14] OptionalPlayer[1d]: i was worried white have too many weaknes

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[18:15] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: i thought from there white could kosumi at D8 but D8 straight away is better

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[18:15] Seferi[3k]: D8

[18:16] mark5000[8d]: So this one is right.

[18:16] Assassin_in_White[7k]: do we play d8 and f10 next?

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[18:16] Seferi[3k]: Makes black heavy

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[18:17] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: is there any way to look at your lesson on good shape now that youve already done it or can we only watch your lessons live?

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[18:17] mark5000[8d]: I'll share a link after the lesson.

[18:18] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: thank you

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[18:18] NUMERIC4[7k]: Thanks

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[18:19] OptionalPlayer[1d]: won't f10 be scary?

[18:19] wooolf[11k]: Wg5 would be bad?

[18:19] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: i would be worried about my white group getting surrounded from here

[18:20] OptionalPlayer[1d]: yes

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[18:20] OptionalPlayer[1d]: can you show us how perhaps how white can make shape after white defends at g6

[18:21] Assassin_in_White[7k]: can black fight by cutting on g6?

[18:21] mark5000[8d]: Yes.

[18:21] Sanyi[?]: dog face is always good

[18:21] mark5000[8d]: That's why I recommend it for ddk players.

[18:21] mark5000[8d]: sdk and dan players can play here and fight it out if they want to.

[18:22] mark5000[8d]: But most of you shouldn't.

[18:22] Assassin_in_White[7k]: i don't want to be a chicken :D

[18:22] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: i mean after the connections, black can surround the white group with F10 or something. Wouldnt that be bad for white?

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[18:22] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: oh yeah

[18:22] mark5000[8d]: Yes, then just move out.

[18:22] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: k

[18:22] mark5000[8d]: White will make it out fine.

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[18:23] Assassin_in_White[7k]: what if black play E10 insted of F10, how does white runs?

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[18:23] mark5000[8d]: Like this. Poke the elephant's eye.

[18:24] Assassin_in_White[7k]: E12? and then we go D12 and E11 and black has tons of weaknesses?

[18:24] mark5000[8d]: Yes.

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[18:24] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: Variation: hi, how about this ?

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[18:25] mark5000[8d]: White would probably just jump here.

[18:25] mark5000[8d]: I heard a good saying the other day.

[18:26] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: but then isnt it a bit easy for black ?

[18:26] mark5000[8d]: You don't need to kill your opponent. You only need to smother them.

[18:26] Zal[1k]: I guess they don't call this the surrounding game for nothing

[18:26] mark5000[8d]: Right.

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[18:26] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: do you mean the jump at H6?

[18:27] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: wait nvm

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[18:27] mark5000[8d]: If it goes like this, Black is not making any territory, but White is.

[18:27] mark5000[8d]: Let's get back to the topic.

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[18:27] Assassin_in_White[7k]: why J3 and not H17 for instane?

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[18:27] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: Variation: i see, but then black can

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[18:27] mark5000[8d]: Because g16 is better than h17 ;)

[18:28] mark5000[8d]: It's also possible. GO has many possibilities.

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[18:29] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: is it still good for white after my 39 ?

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[18:30] Sanyi[?]: dango

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[18:30] Assassin_in_White[7k]: how did black avoid the empty triangle by making an empty triagnle with e8?

[18:31] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: yeah black is screwed

[18:31] mark5000[8d]: Good question. He didn't.

[18:31] mark5000[8d]: He just avoided one of them.

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[18:31] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: Variation: i'm still wondering if this is still good for white after 39 ?

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[18:31] mark5000[8d]: Trading one empty triangle for another empty triangle is NOT an improvement.

[18:31] mark5000[8d]: Again, it's good to put your opponent in this predicament.

[18:32] mark5000[8d]: Try to arrange situations where you can deform your oppoennt's shape.

[18:32] mark5000[8d]: Keep in mind the bad shapes I mentioned at the start of this lesson. Try to induce those shapes in your own games.

[18:32] Assassin_in_White[7k]: would it be too much for black just to sacrifice their group?

[18:32] mark5000[8d]: Play in such a way that your opponent will naturally make them.

[18:32] mark5000[8d]: It's a bit heavy, so probably not.

[18:33] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: if black doesnt sacrifice he would just be running the whole game

[18:33] mark5000[8d]: Even if yes, it's a good problem for you to make your opponent have :)

[18:33] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: yeah for sure

[18:33] mark5000[8d]: Yes, make them have this problem.

[18:33] mark5000[8d]: Win games this way.

[18:33] mark5000[8d]: Destroying shape is fun.

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[18:33] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: Variation: about previous question, is this still good for white ?

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[18:33] mark5000[8d]: That's all I have.

[18:33] Assassin_in_White[7k]: thank you

[18:33] wooolf[11k]: Thanks, you rule!

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[18:34] Zal[1k]: Thanks for the tips

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[18:34] funloop[7k]: thank you!!

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[18:34] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: thanks this will help a lot

[18:34] 20kyu to 1dan in a year[11k]: do you have the link for the first lesson?

[18:34] Sanyi[?]: are all your lessons available somewhere?

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[18:34] Cautiousford[12k]: This is a great lesson! I'm learning a lot. Thanks so much. Would you have any suggestions for a beginner who maybe feels that they will never be good at Go?

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[18:34] mark5000[8d]: metaphysician splurgist :): I would choose White in that situation. If you want to study more deeply, review it with a strong AI.

[18:35] mark5000[8d]: Find my previous lectures here: becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

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[18:35] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: i dont like to use ai for review, thats why i asked

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[18:35] wooolf[11k]: learning from the bots : /

[18:35] mark5000[8d]: The lesson on good shape is lesson #9.

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[18:35] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: i do run bots though

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[18:36] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: ok then, cya

[18:36] metaphysician splurgist :)[1k]: thanks

[18:36] mark5000[8d]: Cautiousford: My advice is to realize that you are capable of a lot more than you presently realize. I firmly believe that anyone can achieve a high level of play if they put their mind to it.

[18:36] mark5000[8d]: I hope that this lecture can add some of the necessary tools to your toolbox for getting strong at Go.

[18:37] mark5000[8d]: Next lecture will be life and death related. Probably next weekend. I hope to see you the next time!

[18:37] mark5000[8d]: Sorry there is no fixed time.

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[18:37] Cautiousford[12k]: Thank you so much! You're the best. I think I'll take a look at a lot of your other lessons.

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[18:37] Sanyi[?]: thx

[18:39] bodlike[3k]: Thanks!