Becoming 9 kyu - Lesson 16

Move 9

Black[2d]

0 captures

White[2d]

0 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

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Move 0 + 11

July 14, 2019

[19:21] PavelKorolyov[14k]: Variation: Hello!

[19:22] PavelKorolyov[14k]: Variation: Great!

[19:22] Legault[1k]: I hope you don't mind me being here, I promise to keep my mouth shut unless I have a particularly burning question

[19:22] mark5000[7d]: This lecture is text-based. There's no audio or video.

[19:22] snakesss[4k]: hi mark

[19:22] jillgoodgal[10k]: ready player one!

[19:23] Camarao Salgado[4k]: hi everybody, i am joining in

[19:23] kissmecomix[11k]: burning question why is a sdk doing here?

[19:23] kissmecomix[11k]: spying?

[19:23] PavelKorolyov[14k]: Variation: Hello everyone.

[19:23] Owt Reyalp[4d]: i want to be a 9k. please

[19:23] snakesss[4k]: no, going over basics again and again is how you git gud

[19:23] Legault[1k]: Curiosity and a lack of a desire to play Go, but wanting to study

[19:23] Legault[1k]: This seemed to fit the bill

[19:23] kissmecomix[11k]: touche

[19:26] Icedrinker[4k]: hi

[19:26] snakesss[4k]: besides, 6kyu doesnt guarantee sdk strength

[19:26] snakesss[4k]: maybe he just a blitzer :P

[19:27] mark5000[7d]: What move should White play here?

[19:27] paradigmadox[6k]: c15

[19:27] kissmecomix[11k]: double touche snakess

[19:27] PavelKorolyov[14k]: c15?

[19:27] Luiskaotsa[3k]: B15?

[19:27] Ewen[1d]: b15

[19:27] Legault[1k]: b16

[19:27] kissmecomix[11k]: b16

[19:27] mark5000[7d]: Yes, those are the answers I'm looking for.

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[19:29] Icedrinker[4k]: yay

[19:30] PavelKorolyov[14k]: Great.

[19:30] onfree[4k]: иге идфсл сфт скуфеу цфдд

[19:30] Legault[1k]: there is a problem though

[19:30] onfree[4k]: ....

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[19:30] paradigmadox[6k]: what about c14 as an answer from Black?

Move 0 + 15

[19:30] Levvo[5d]: Yay! This feels suiting for me after not playing for forever :D ..

Move 0 + 16

[19:30] onfree[4k]: but black can create wall there?

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[19:32] snakesss[4k]: white is cut, black succeeded

[19:32] snakesss[4k]: what a master player

[19:33] Legault[1k]: White a15 reverts back to the other variation though

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[19:33] mark5000[7d]: This can be possible sometimes.

[19:34] mark5000[7d]: Here it looks not working, but maybe in a nother case it would work.

[19:34] Legault[1k]: Sure

[19:34] mark5000[7d]: Thanks for mentioning it.

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[19:38] PavelKorolyov[14k]: Ok, thnx.

[19:38] mark5000[7d]: Next we'll look at connecting along the first line.

Move 0 + 30

[19:39] banakula[5k]: T5

[19:39] Luiskaotsa[3k]: S4 or S6

[19:39] jillgoodgal[10k]: T5

[19:39] snakesss[4k]: t6?

[19:39] shinuito[2k]: T6 or T4?

[19:39] snakesss[4k]: t4

[19:39] PavelKorolyov[14k]: M5 ?

[19:39] Luiskaotsa[3k]: Sorry T4 or T6

[19:39] clackie[6k]: t5

[19:39] Levvo[5d]: :D

[19:39] snakesss[4k]: this is clearly monkey business :D

[19:39] mark5000[7d]: o/ Levvo

[19:40] Cammilo[2d]: T6

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[19:40] Levvo[5d]: Nice seeing you still teaching! ;)

[19:40] piccolo3[3k]: hi too :)

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[19:41] shinuito[2k]: slick

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[19:42] mark5000[7d]: You can't apply Go proverbs in every situation.

[19:43] Legault[1k]: Heresy

[19:43] mark5000[7d]: In this case, this knight's move isn't the answer.

[19:43] Levvo[5d]: Pretty sure there is ONE go proverb that would fit any situation though! ;)

[19:43] jillgoodgal[10k]: then S6

[19:43] clackie[6k]: snek was right then?

[19:43] clackie[6k]: monkey beezwax?

[19:43] shinuito[2k]: So the answer wasn't tengen?

[19:43] mark5000[7d]: If proverbs fit every situation, they would not be proverbs they would be rules.

Move 0 + 32

[19:44] Legault[1k]: Savage

Move 0 + 31

[19:45] clackie[6k]: monkey biznass!

[19:46] mark5000[7d]: For White, there's no way to cut Black off.

Move 0 + 30

[19:48] mark5000[7d]: Remember this shape.

[19:48] mark5000[7d]: Either diagonal on the first line is the answer.

[19:48] Legault[1k]: Out of curiosity, which Shusaku game is it?

Move 0 + 46

[19:48] snakesss[4k]: doesw s8 do anyhing?

[19:48] snakesss[4k]: nvm

Move 0 + 30

[19:48] mark5000[7d]: Not really.

[19:48] clackie[6k]: Shusaku vs. Piston Honda?

[19:49] Levvo[5d]: Blacks shape is too good for shenanigans :D .. To many liberties ^^

[19:49] mark5000[7d]: Here is the game: ps.waltheri.net/database/game/14426/

[19:50] Legault[1k]: Thanks

[19:50] snakesss[4k]: ^^

Move 0 + 29

[19:50] jillgoodgal[10k]: this is an invasion move even without the rescue necessary

[19:51] mark5000[7d]: That's what shusaku had in mind when he played here.

[19:51] mark5000[7d]: That's all I have for today. Thanks for watching!

[19:51] jillgoodgal[10k]: takes at least four points from white

[19:51] snakesss[4k]: so whats the point worth of this rescue?

[19:51] Luiskaotsa[3k]: Thanks, Mark!

Move 0 + 31

[19:52] jillgoodgal[10k]: thank you

[19:52] Levvo[5d]: Thank you sensei <3

[19:52] snakesss[4k]: thanks for the lectures!

[19:52] PavelKorolyov[14k]: Thanx!

[19:52] Camarao Salgado[4k]: thanks

[19:52] Legault[1k]: Well black no longer has to worry about the corner's status for one

[19:52] mark5000[7d]: The rescue is worth a lot. Maybe 30 points.

[19:52] snakesss[4k]: oof

[19:52] PavelKorolyov[14k]: Mark500 Senseeeeei.

[19:52] Levvo[5d]: I'd say 40+ XD

[19:53] Levvo[5d]: Depending on how you count :P

[19:53] mark5000[7d]: :P

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[19:55] Camarao Salgado[4k]: how are you two measuring how much it is worse?

[19:56] snakesss[4k]: that could be a lecture topic :D

[19:56] snakesss[4k]: a good one too

[19:56] Camarao Salgado[4k]: i guess... still curious

[19:56] mark5000[7d]: You count the difference in score between White to play and Black to play.

[19:57] snakesss[4k]: you play it til the end in your head and compare 2 situations which dans can do almost intuitively

[19:58] snakesss[4k]: it is almost clear what points got exchanged without reading it per se, right?

[19:58] mark5000[7d]: To see more lectures like this, find my whole series here: becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

[19:58] snakesss[4k]: i think the diff between 30 and 40+points estimate by 2 dans was cuz one considered the weak white group more?

[19:59] mark5000[7d]: Yeah, if White severs and captures six stones, that's 12 points just by itself, plus all the empty points around them.

[19:59] mark5000[7d]: The fact that capturing also connects White's stones together is also worth something.

[20:00] Camarao Salgado[4k]: i see

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[20:00] snakesss[4k]: black's*

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[20:01] mark5000[7d]: No, White's. The upper W group is a bit weak.

[20:01] mark5000[7d]: Capturing Black in the corner could mean White doesn't have to make eyes in the group.

[20:01] Levvo[5d]: If white kills it's an area of something like 20-22 points? .. And if black survives it's the same value. So 20+20 = 40 XD .. Because one loses 20 and one gains 20. :D

Move 0 + 35

[20:02] snakesss[4k]: oh i see

[20:02] snakesss[4k]: how you meant "white's"

[20:02] snakesss[4k]: thanks again

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[20:03] Levvo[5d]: and yea, then like mark is saying. It would also give you strength and strength is worth a lot in this game.

[20:03] Camarao Salgado[4k]: thanks for additional explanation. i will have a look at your other lectures.

Move 0 + 31

[20:04] snakesss[4k]: dont

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[20:04] snakesss[4k]: if we all learn this stuff, we'll all be ddk forever

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[20:04] snakesss[4k]: some of us have to slack

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[20:04] Levvo[5d]: "The way of creating a thick and strong game" - By Naoki Hane. Is a great book I think for SDK's =)

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[20:05] snakesss[4k]: is it anywhere onlline? it is lots of work getting books shipped here :S

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[20:05] snakesss[4k]: i suppose copyrigthed etc?

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[20:05] Levvo[5d]: It is copyrighted yes, so even if I knew where to find one I can't tell you ;)

[20:08] Levvo[5d]: actually I don't XD .. I have a copy of the book.

[20:08] Levvo[5d]: Anyhow, i'm off! =) ... See you! :D

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July 15, 2019

[9:04] markchung777[3k]: Variation: 1