Becoming 9 Kyu - Lesson 34

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November 30, 2019

[15:58] Shusaku the Gentle[7k]: Thanks Mark, I've really been finding your lectures useful

[15:58] Zacharias030[2d]: is there audio here?

[15:58] snakesss[1k]: i go through them every week

[15:58] mark5000[6d]: Text only

[15:58] Zacharias030[2d]: wow

[15:59] snakesss[1k]: if you drop in you can see me lurking at times

[15:59] Zacharias030[2d]: where do you find old lectures?

[15:59] mark5000[6d]: becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

[15:59] josephcurtis22[9k]: could this lecture be useful to someone of my grade?

[16:00] snakesss[1k]: yes

[16:00] mark5000[6d]: Yes! These lectures are for all players coming up to the 9 kyu rank

[16:00] josephcurtis22[9k]: thanks

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[16:02] jmdingess[4d]: I also find these lectures useful - I suck at joseki haha

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[16:04] xPillow[1k]: is there audio for this?

[16:04] josephcurtis22[9k]: no

[16:04] mark5000[6d]: Text only. I lack good equipment and also I like that people can review the text at their own leisure.

[16:04] mark5000[6d]: Sorry about it

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[16:06] Peztr[7k]: Variation: my first instinct is this, lean on weak stone. good or worse?

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[16:06] snakesss[1k]: lean on strong stuff to attack weak stuff later on for development

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[16:07] Peztr[7k]: i see

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[16:07] mark5000[6d]: Well Black would push here and expose the cutting weakness

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[16:07] mark5000[6d]: White should connect somehow, but it's hard to find an efficient move

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[16:07] mark5000[6d]: Then Black gets to extend

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[16:07] Peztr[7k]: so it leaves to big of a weakness?

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[16:08] snakesss[1k]: black gets both sides and white is floating in the natural course of it

[16:08] mark5000[6d]: It looks unequal. White is a thin stick with no eyes. But Black developed territory on both sides of white.

[16:09] mark5000[6d]: As an attack, it's a failure.

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[16:09] Peztr[7k]: ok

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[16:12] mark5000[6d]: I don't recommend this jump. I hope you'll remember this.

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[16:15] snakesss[1k]: chicken move

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[16:15] Zacharias030[2d]: I guess white can also press Q15 as her second move?

[16:16] mark5000[6d]: Yes, that's popular recently.

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[16:16] TheShoveler[4k]: with the pincer white can connect with m17?

[16:16] mark5000[6d]: The pros are playing this a lot recently

[16:16] jmdingess[4d]: thats where you get into driving tesuji and weird moves like S15, real complicated

[16:17] mark5000[6d]: Really complicated, yeah. This is not a beginner move.

[16:17] mark5000[6d]: Tune in for my SDK series sometime in 2021 I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[16:17] Zacharias030[2d]: If you don't want to go into the variations there, I didn't mean to derail your programme

[16:18] mark5000[6d]: It's fine! Better to ask if you have a thought in your mind.

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[16:18] DEICIDIA[?]: Variation: 1

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[16:19] Achira[14k]: is this for ddk?

[16:19] snakesss[1k]: yes

[16:19] TheShoveler[4k]: ok

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[16:20] snakesss[1k]: when you say "attack the white stone" how many moves do you mean? 1?

[16:21] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: i would attach to R15

[16:21] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: after blacks jump out

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[16:21] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: sorry

[16:21] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: R17

[16:21] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: jus sansan

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[16:21] snakesss[1k]: attack the marked stone*

[16:21] mark5000[6d]: Yes, this is an overplay

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[16:22] snakesss[1k]: what can white do here to attack as long as they can?

[16:22] mark5000[6d]: When I say attack the marked stone, I mean steal its base and leave it weakened. This will turn into a loss of territory for Black later.

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[16:23] Kretzsche[4d]: shouldnt it be blacksturn?

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[16:23] snakesss[1k]: ok

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[16:24] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: cuttible

[16:24] TheShoveler[4k]: nope

[16:24] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: depends on ladder

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[16:25] Kretzsche[4d]: "slight over play " :D

[16:25] mark5000[6d]: Well it's not gonna end your game

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[16:27] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: how to punish?

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[16:27] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: ok i see

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[16:27] Nilarof[4k]: Hi there! Cannot black attach the same on the previous situation ?

[16:27] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: so is P16 right away a mistake?

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[16:28] mark5000[6d]: You mean this?

[16:28] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: yes

[16:28] mark5000[6d]: I would say yes

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[16:29] mark5000[6d]: White isn't going to push up here. White would connect

[16:29] snakesss[1k]: who is better here?

[16:29] mark5000[6d]: This removes a liberty on the N17 stone and keeps White flexible

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[16:29] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: okk

[16:29] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: corner isnt that imprtant now?

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[16:29] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: to block in Q17

[16:30] mark5000[6d]: Like this.

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[16:30] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: yep

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[16:30] mark5000[6d]: Then maybe here.

[16:30] mark5000[6d]: It's pretty even actually

[16:30] mark5000[6d]: You could play this way

[16:30] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: alright thank you

[16:30] mark5000[6d]: Except the ideal way is to punish the overplay

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[16:31] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: ok

[16:31] mark5000[6d]: Black should be happier with this.

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[16:34] snakesss[1k]: i still like black much better

[16:35] mark5000[6d]: I think it's even, but you can avoid it if you want to!

[16:35] mark5000[6d]: I'm going to show other choices

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[16:35] mark5000[6d]: Anyway, because of all that, that's why Black usually answers here.

[16:36] snakesss[1k]: the pincer is low, is that right?

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[16:36] mark5000[6d]: Sorry, here.

[16:37] mark5000[6d]: Since Black can't separate White, Black usually answers here.

[16:37] mark5000[6d]: Maybe you like Black even though Black didn't separate White. In that case, you can attach instead and it's fine.

[16:38] FerhatBaris[1k]: Is there a voice in this channel ?

[16:38] mark5000[6d]: Black is usually satisfied with this jump because White's position looks somewhat vulnerable

[16:38] mark5000[6d]: Text only.

[16:38] FerhatBaris[1k]: k

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[16:42] mark5000[6d]: So far we've been looking at the two-space jump

[16:42] mark5000[6d]: Let's look at other options

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[16:52] mark5000[6d]: So today we looked at the one-space jump, the two-space jump, and the diagonal move.

[16:53] mark5000[6d]: I can recommend the two-space jump and diagonal move to beginners coming up to the SDK ranks.

[16:53] mark5000[6d]: The one-space jump and the knight's move are harder to manage, so I don't recommend them.

[16:53] mark5000[6d]: That's all the material I planned for today. Any questions?

[16:54] Diego_123[9k]: thanks for the lesson

[16:54] FerhatBaris[1k]: Nowadays Ai don't like pincers ? Do you know why ? :)

[16:55] mark5000[6d]: Yes, AI values corners more than side areas.

[16:55] Jae1337[4k]: In the low pincer version, isn't P16 better than P15 (to which white responds O16)?

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[16:55] mark5000[6d]: I had this variation earlier.

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[16:56] Jae1337[4k]: yes

[16:56] mark5000[6d]: It's playable, but the N17 stone becomes useless.

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[16:56] mark5000[6d]: If you're going to have White coming out, you can do it without harming N17, like this.

[16:57] mark5000[6d]: Any other questions about 3-4 pincers?

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[16:58] snakesss[1k]: thanks for the lecture

[16:59] mark5000[6d]: Thanks for watching this! Find past lectures here: becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

[16:59] ZbigniewWodecki[3k]: Thanks!

[16:59] ravelite[3k]: thanks for the lecture!

[17:00] mark5000[6d]: See you next week same time - Saturdays 8:00 PST.

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[17:06] FerhatBaris[1k]: Thank you.

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[17:17] eggsyntax[7k]: Thank you so much for this series mark5000!

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December 1, 2019

[2:40] It_is_a_normal[7k]: Thank you very much ....