Becoming 9 Kyu - Lesson 38

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December 29, 2019

[15:55] polylog[8k]: Hello.

[15:56] Petter Stangeland[?]: hi

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[15:56] Nilarof[4k]: Hello!

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[15:56] IanTrudel[?]: Hello! Thanks for teaching!

[15:56] Petter Stangeland[?]: im new. What is this?

[15:57] Chriscyr[8k]: Hello and thank you

[15:57] mark5000[6d]: This is my weekly lesson series for beginners: becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

[15:57] qqoenous[16k]: hello

[15:57] MummRa[3k]: what if im 8 kyu temporarily?

[15:58] st01c[7k]: Hi Mark5000 – thanks for teaching! Does this lesson take place at the same time every week?

[15:58] mangmoomman[6k]: then you will be banned if you watch

[15:58] mark5000[6d]: Haha, anyone is welcome.

[15:58] タカシル[10k]: then u arent allowed to watch this Kappa

[15:58] Unholdo[7k]: hi!

[15:58] mark5000[6d]: It's usually on Saturdays, but I had family visiting for Christmas and so it's today this time.

[15:59] mangmoomman[6k]: is there an archive of old lessons or anything like that?

[15:59] Nilarof[4k]: Just up in the chat

[15:59] Petter Stangeland[?]: becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

[15:59] mark5000[6d]: ^^

[15:59] the.toninator[11k]: hi! I've never been to a lesson before

[15:59] mangmoomman[6k]: ty

[15:59] the.toninator[11k]: is 19kyu too low level to benefit?

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[16:01] mark5000[6d]: Nope

[16:01] the.toninator[11k]: coolio :D

[16:02] d0t[3k]: happy holidays all, and thanks for the lecture mark, let's hope it doesn't make me drop a stone

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[16:05] mark5000[6d]: What do you think?

[16:05] MummRa[3k]: black splits?

[16:05] the.toninator[11k]: that looks like it could be cut

[16:05] qqoenous[16k]: 2 space is already easily cuttable

[16:05] the.toninator[11k]: i don't like it

[16:05] mark5000[6d]: Right.

[16:05] Adreath[7k]: Black cut at p15?

[16:05] the.toninator[11k]: P15 looks really scary

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[16:06] polylog[8k]: what if white plays A first

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[16:07] GoDroid5[5k]: What about m17 for white?

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[16:09] mark5000[6d]: Remind me later. We'll get to m17.

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[16:09] GoDroid5[5k]: Ok, ty

[16:10] mark5000[6d]: So the two-space jump used to be the most popular answer to this pincer.

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[16:10] bugcat[1d]: hah, I just came in for the first time and there's a joseki I don't know on the board

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[16:10] bugcat[1d]: Thank you mark :)

[16:10] tpnZbonek[4k]: hello

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[16:11] bugcat[1d]: heyo

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[16:12] mark5000[6d]: Let's look at some other moves for White.

[16:12] bugcat[1d]: Have we done White Q15 yet?

[16:12] bugcat[1d]: That would usually be my play

[16:15] MummRa[3k]: white looks trapped here , is this from one of my games as white lol

[16:15] mark5000[6d]: So what other options are there? I heard m17 and q15.

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[16:16] MummRa[3k]: i played m16 before

[16:16] d0t[3k]: q14 is complicated

[16:16] d0t[3k]: for 2 space high i think

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[16:17] bugcat[1d]: I've seen some lovely fights start like this

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[16:18] Евгений 2020[5k]: ПРивет)))

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[16:19] bugcat[1d]: I think I saw a Shuwa game where White played first M16 and then Q15

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[16:20] MummRa[2k]: black can push white down right?

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[16:22] bugcat[1d]: good to know

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[16:23] mark5000[6d]: In sum, I recommend three moves to DDK players.

[16:23] bugcat[1d]: what if White counterpincers?

[16:23] bugcat[1d]: are we going to look at that or not?

[16:23] mark5000[6d]: P14 if you want a battle

[16:23] mark5000[6d]: M16 if you want outside influence

[16:23] mark5000[6d]: And M17 if you want to settle quickly

[16:24] mark5000[6d]: If you're a SDK or dan player, Q15 is also worth considering.

[16:24] mark5000[6d]: Counterpincers are beyond the scope of this lesson.

[16:24] mark5000[6d]: Sorry about it.

[16:24] bugcat[1d]: Sure

[16:24] bugcat[1d]: No worries

[16:25] mark5000[6d]: That brings us to the end of today's lesson. I can answer any questions you have about this three-space low pincer.

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[16:26] ayaros[7k]: One question... why I should play this less severe pincer?

[16:26] ayaros[7k]: if I have some more aggressive option

[16:26] Nilarof[4k]: Well i was typing the same question

[16:26] Adreath[7k]: you're god $*!% right

[16:26] MummRa[2k]: should white play off and try and set up for a better attack later in game?

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[16:27] Nilarof[4k]: The pincering Stone doesnt really seems to help black in what we saw today

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[16:31] mark5000[6d]: A user asked why would you choose this pincer anyway.

[16:31] ayaros[7k]: yep

[16:31] mark5000[6d]: Although it's less severe on the white stone, it's also more distant and thus difficult to attack.

[16:31] mark5000[6d]: So you'd pincer here if you want to make counterattacking hard.

[16:32] iotaaaaa[3k]: how about black follow-up(s) to tenuki, if you didn't already cover those?

[16:32] Nilarof[4k]: Ok make sense ty

[16:32] iotaaaaa[3k]: just kick or come on top?

[16:32] mark5000[6d]: You can also choose this pincer in combination with another move in the upper left corner. The distant pincer can also serve as an extension from a pre-existing position in the upper left

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[16:33] mark5000[6d]: We looked at this one. I'll refer you to my comments on that branch :)

[16:33] iotaaaaa[3k]: yup, np, thanks ^^

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[16:33] mark5000[6d]: Any other questions?

[16:34] ayaros[7k]: yes the top left corner situation would be the trigger for this move... this make sense

[16:34] the.toninator[11k]: not from me

[16:34] the.toninator[11k]: thank you for the lesson!

[16:34] mark5000[6d]: You're welcome!

[16:34] ayaros[7k]: thank you mark

[16:34] mark5000[6d]: This lesson was part of my lesson series becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

[16:34] mark5000[6d]: Find past lessons there

[16:34] mark5000[6d]: They are usually at this time on Saturdays, but this time the holidays interfered.

[16:34] taviandir[3k]: thanks!

[16:35] GoDroid5[5k]: Thank you sensei

[16:35] Nilarof[4k]: Thank you for the lesson !

[16:35] mark5000[6d]: I hope to see you next week same time, on Saturday.

[16:35] mark5000[6d]: Or you can bookmark the link and check it later :)

[16:35] mark5000[6d]: Thanks for watching!