Becoming 9 Kyu - Lesson 43

Move 4

Black[2d]

0 captures

White[2d]

0 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

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Move 0 + 6

February 1, 2020

[15:57] Cautiousford[6k]: Hello. :)

[15:57] mark5000[7d]: o/

[15:58] hopser[4k]: thank you for the lesson!

[15:58] mark5000[7d]: You're welcome :))

[15:58] mark5000[7d]: This is a text-based lesson. Find past lessons at becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

[16:00] WISHMIRRA[15k]: thanks for sharing ur knowledge

Move 0 + 7

[16:01] Daimo[4k]: Looks great to me! Well balanced

[16:01] Myselium[5k]: Variation: too big??

[16:01] Jrobcat[7k]: is it a little slow?

[16:01] hopser[4k]: P10 should make up a better wall

Move 0 + 7

[16:03] Daimo[4k]: Interesting!

[16:03] MarkGravity[?]: two story building

[16:05] Myselium[5k]: 3 stone for white?

Move 0 + 10

[16:07] mark5000[7d]: Does anyone know the right tactic here?

[16:07] torusle[9k]: take cover stone and get ponnuki.

[16:07] mark5000[7d]: This is a kind of middlegame joseki.

[16:07] oh come off it[6k]: q5

[16:07] mark5000[7d]: Right

Move 0 + 9

[16:11] snakesss[1k]: i know in theory popping the elephant eye is bad

[16:11] snakesss[1k]: why is that? how does that go?

[16:12] mark5000[7d]: Good question

Move 0 + 10

[16:12] mark5000[7d]: You mean like this

[16:12] snakesss[1k]: yeah

[16:12] mark5000[7d]: This move is called a peep.

[16:12] mark5000[7d]: We've looked at it in past lessons.

Move 0 + 15

[16:17] TimmyGo[5k]: hi o/

Move 0 + 11

[16:18] mark5000[7d]: hi!

Move 0

[16:20] tpnZbonek[2k]: hello mark

Move 0 + 3

[16:21] KeepTitan[4d]: I'm here to become 9kyu!

Move 0 + 11

[16:21] mark5000[7d]: Yay!

Move 0 + 17

[16:27] jillgoodgal[8k]: white could threaten to undercut along the bottom?

[16:27] tpnZbonek[2k]: white can live without any problems, the problem here is influence war.. noone wants to let the center for opponent

Move 0 + 12

[16:28] mark5000[7d]: Right

[16:28] mark5000[7d]: White could slide under here, but Black can still cap and profit

Move 0 + 13

[16:29] mark5000[7d]: Black can also consider attaching. The slide doesn't secure the group as much as you might expect.

[16:29] KeepTitan[4d]: is there voice on this

Move 0 + 15

[16:29] mark5000[7d]: Etc.

[16:30] mark5000[7d]: This is a text-based lesson. There's no audio or livestream. Actually, you really don't want to see me right now...

[16:30] mark5000[7d]: Maybe some day

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[16:30] tpnZbonek[2k]: but i think i would slide ufter 3. jumps.. i wouldnt like huge black wall that can make points in the center..

Move 0 + 16

[16:31] mark5000[7d]: Like this?

[16:31] tpnZbonek[2k]: yes or maybe first p2 O3 something like this..

[16:31] tpnZbonek[2k]: or peep p4

[16:31] tpnZbonek[2k]: then go p3..

[16:32] jillgoodgal[8k]: attack while making territory!

[16:32] mark5000[7d]: These were pro players. That may surprise you. They didn't choose those options. But maybe they're alternatives.

Move 0 + 18

[16:32] tpnZbonek[2k]: o3 seems too close.. yes lot of pro games suprise me :-d not so good to see all that

Move 0 + 19

[16:33] jillgoodgal[8k]: well pros have to play against the tendencies of the other player, right?

[16:33] mark5000[7d]: Black can maybe pressure White like this.

[16:33] mark5000[7d]: Of course, taking the capping point at L9 is also attractive.

Move 0 + 16

[16:33] mark5000[7d]: I've gotta move on. We can come back after the next example if you want to!

Move 0 + 4

[16:34] tpnZbonek[2k]: why not if there will be space :)

Move 0 + 31

[16:35] hopser[4k]: R17

[16:36] oh come off it[6k]: o15

[16:36] jillgoodgal[8k]: R17 or Q14

[16:36] oh come off it[6k]: r14

[16:36] tpnZbonek[2k]: hmm.. i would jump out.. o15 or p15

Move 0 + 35

[16:41] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: Hi, Mark; hi all

Move 0 + 44

[16:42] hopser[4k]: bigger black framework?

Move 0 + 39

[16:44] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: Can't W tenuki here?

[16:46] mark5000[7d]: It's not advisable to tenuki, no.

[16:46] tpnZbonek[2k]: so white has an escaping group now and fine framework.. wouldnt it be better for her to play that pivotal move before kakari?

[16:46] mark5000[7d]: If you want to tenuki, you shouldn't make the group heavier by adding a stone at O16

[16:47] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: I mean after 016 q14 exchange.

[16:47] tpnZbonek[2k]: how can B punnish it best? i mean any enclosure cannot close the corner from star point how you showed us in your lectures :d

Move 0 + 30

[16:47] mark5000[7d]: If it were me playing, I'd choose this without kakari. I don't have a good answer for that.

[16:47] mark5000[7d]: Sorry

[16:48] tpnZbonek[2k]: no prob, i was just curious

Move 0 + 31

[16:48] mark5000[7d]: Probably Black encloses in this direction, and now the territorial framework is perfect.

[16:48] mark5000[7d]: It also builds influence on the right.

[16:49] mark5000[7d]: Still I'd skip the kakari

[16:49] tpnZbonek[2k]: r16 now can be done?

[16:50] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: I'd rather r17

[16:50] mark5000[7d]: R16 is ok. Both that and R17 would help Black secure big influence working well with the right side framework

Move 0 + 32

[16:51] mark5000[7d]: If it's me playing, I'd split around here

[16:51] mark5000[7d]: Try to break it up

[16:51] hopser[4k]: guess i'd play around R10

[16:51] mark5000[7d]: Great. Now R16 is looking attractive

[16:51] mark5000[7d]: It would be another game

[16:52] mark5000[7d]: Anyway, that's all the material I prepared for today

[16:52] mark5000[7d]: Any last questions?

[16:52] oh come off it[6k]: Thanks Mark

[16:52] mark5000[7d]: About expanding frameworks, pivotal points, or any example given?

[16:52] hopser[4k]: thank you very much! :)

[16:53] tpnZbonek[2k]: thanks for lesson

[16:53] jillgoodgal[8k]: always tough for me to figure out whether to move along the third line or into center

[16:53] TimmyGo[5k]: would you play R12 even when black were holding the pivot point at f12 ?

Move 0 + 31

[16:54] mark5000[7d]: As here?

[16:54] TimmyGo[5k]: with the black enclosure

Move 0 + 33

[16:55] TimmyGo[5k]: yes

[16:55] mark5000[7d]: Yikes. This is suddenly a three handicap game.

[16:55] mark5000[7d]: Very tough for White.

[16:55] mark5000[7d]: But yes, it's still a choice.

[16:55] TimmyGo[5k]: yeah more a hypothetical choice

[16:56] mark5000[7d]: I'd look at moves like these. Invading or reducing is a must here.

[16:57] mark5000[7d]: Ideally, White needs to invade or reduce in both places: the upper and right sides.

[16:57] mark5000[7d]: Since WHite is behind, White needs to fight back hard to catch up.

[16:57] jillgoodgal[8k]: so that was why the pro played O17 before F12

[16:57] TimmyGo[5k]: thanks for looking at this, and thanks for the lesson mark

[16:57] TimmyGo[5k]: :D

[16:58] mark5000[7d]: Sure. And to be clear, I can't say for sure what the pro was thinking. But I can speculate.

[16:59] mark5000[7d]: You can learn a lot by reviewing pro games and asking questions.

[16:59] jillgoodgal[8k]: thank you very much!

[17:08] mark5000[7d]: See you all next week same time :)

[17:09] mark5000[7d]: Find past lessons at becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

February 2, 2020

[8:04] It_is_a_normal[7k]: Can some one tell me what is mean of gote ?

Move 0 + 6

March 28, 2020

[21:06] mark5000[5d]: Gote means losing the initiative. In other words, after the move, your opponent may play elsewhere without bad consequences.