Move 5
Black[2d]
0 captures
White[2d]
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+ 6.5
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Rules: Japanese
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March 14, 2020
[21:57] mark5000[7d]: This lesson is for players coming up to the 9 kyu rank.
[21:57] mark5000[7d]: It's text-based. There's no audio or video.
[21:58] hopser[3k]: Hi mark5000, thank you for teaching us. These lessons help alot!
[21:58] mark5000[7d]: You're welcome!
[21:59] mark5000[7d]: We're coming up to the end. Maybe just a handful of possible topics left.
[22:00] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: Will there be 1k lessons next?
[22:00] mark5000[7d]: Maybe!
[22:00] mark5000[7d]: 1k would be a big jump from 9k. Maybe I'd do 5k or 3k next.
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[22:02] tpnZbonek[1k]: hey mark
[22:02] mark5000[7d]: Hey tpnZbonek
[22:03] -LaXDon[17k]: Hi
[22:03] mark5000[7d]: Hi -LaXDon
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[22:03] -LaXDon[17k]: :D
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[22:04] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: Variation: I'd try this
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[22:07] bencostrell[6k]: but in this case, the suggested kick was also an attachment?
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[22:08] mark5000[7d]: Ah, good eye.
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[22:08] mark5000[7d]: This is an exception.
[22:09] mark5000[7d]: There are competing proverbs at play
[22:09] BHydden[7k]: mark you need to stream these <3 please sensei!
[22:09] mark5000[7d]: Another proverb says that to attack, first deny your opponent a base.
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[22:09] -LaXDon[17k]: Interesting
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[22:12] hopser[3k]: But only because of Q10
[22:13] mark5000[7d]: Q10 helps, yes. But kicking in a nopen position is also ok if you want to secure the corner a little more in exchange for a better position for your opponent on the side.
[22:14] ls113[4k]: How do respond as a black, if white attempts to take a base anyway despite being kicked like at R9?
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[22:14] BHydden[7k]: for securing the corner, don't R4 and S4 leave less aji than R5?
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[22:14] tpnZbonek[1k]: block R10 seems big and is sente
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[22:16] bencostrell[6k]: i played basically this exact sequence in my last game haha
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[22:27] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: What about a cut at o11 instead of p13?
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[22:27] tpnZbonek[1k]: and then what
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[22:29] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: Variation: I was thinking about something like this.
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[22:29] mark5000[7d]: The important part is that if you play severely, your opponents will be in trouble.
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[22:30] tpnZbonek[1k]: alpha black p9 seems problem
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[22:30] bencostrell[6k]: or just a double atari
[22:31] Аlрhа - 1 5 2[?]: But can't W now build a base for r6?
[22:31] tpnZbonek[1k]: p9 will put more pressure for white group
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[22:39] tpnZbonek[1k]: did black need to respond?
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[22:39] tpnZbonek[1k]: i mean, is it big loss?
[22:40] bencostrell[6k]: things could get hairy if we don't respond and white plays r2 maybe?
[22:40] mark5000[7d]: No.
[22:40] Sir Clacksalot[4k]: ermagerd how much did I miss?
[22:40] BHydden[7k]: it's playable, especially in handicap, but tenuki is possible
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[22:46] Sir Clacksalot[4k]: is this a pro game or whats the subject here?
[22:47] G-O[4k]: lesson to get to 9kyu by Mark
[22:47] Sir Clacksalot[4k]: right
[22:47] mark5000[7d]: This was a game between a 1d and a 7k.
[22:47] tpnZbonek[1k]: no its 1d White vs black kyu player
[22:47] Sir Clacksalot[4k]: thats usually how that goes
[22:48] mark5000[7d]: Anyway, that's all the game I wanted to discuss. Black played passively time after time and is falling behind. At the same time, White is playing actively and making Black answer each move. I hope you remember to play actively even against stronger players!
[22:48] bencostrell[6k]: Thank you!
[22:48] tpnZbonek[1k]: thanks
[22:49] torusle[8k]: thanks, mark.
[22:49] hopser[3k]: Thank you!! :)
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[22:49] AlessandroM[5k]: thank you
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[22:49] skytale11[8k]: Thank you!!
[22:49] jamessch16[9k]: Thank you.
[22:49] mark5000[7d]: Of course, White still has a ways to go before the game becomes even. But if Black keeps playing like this, Black will surely lose. And Black did lose.
[22:49] V.III.[6k]: Thank you !
[22:49] mark5000[7d]: Learn from Black's missteps.
[22:50] mark5000[7d]: Any last questions about the game or about active or passive play?
[22:50] bencostrell[6k]: when they are playing out that invasion where white ends up with a ponnuki
[22:50] bencostrell[6k]: what happens if black atari's at q11 instead of r11
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[22:51] mark5000[7d]: Here?
[22:51] bencostrell[6k]: one move later
[22:51] bencostrell[6k]: right
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[22:52] mark5000[7d]: It's the better move.
[22:52] mark5000[7d]: Black played so paassively.
[22:52] mark5000[7d]: Black may be scared because of the rank difference. But that's how dan players get you.
[22:52] bencostrell[6k]: but planning to play that way is still worse than other responses to the invasion?
[22:52] mark5000[7d]: Yes. It's still worse than alternatives.
[22:53] bencostrell[6k]: gotcha
[22:53] bencostrell[6k]: thanks
[22:53] mark5000[7d]: White's diamond is still big influence, even if it's short a liberty now.
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[22:53] mark5000[7d]: All right. Thanks for watching everyone.
[23:01] BHydden[7k]: thanks for your hard work mark!
June 4, 2024
[22:15] sakesoju[10k]: Variation: 1

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