Demo Board

Move 39

Black[3p]

0 captures

White[3p]

0 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Review by: ldlework[4k]

Move 0

February 24, 2019

[1:30] ClickDecision[9k]: so we play while in review mode for this eh?

[1:30] ldlework[5k]: Yeah there's no way to have so many people play

[1:30] ClickDecision[9k]: interesting idea

[1:30] ldlework[5k]: It works fine

[1:30] ClickDecision[9k]: yeah cool

[1:30] ClickDecision[9k]: so we need one more person yeah?

[1:31] ClickDecision[9k]: this is like 2v2?

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: yeah

[1:31] carot[4k]: I was wondering how the mechanics were going to work. OK, this makes sense.

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: hi carot

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: OK we'll go, me click, then carot

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: just say your move in chat

[1:31] carot[4k]: I'm terrible at 13x13 though.

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: it's cooperative

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: :)

Move 0 + 1

[1:31] ClickDecision[9k]: so im on my own team?

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: no you play a move for white

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: next you'll play a move for black

[1:31] ldlework[5k]: and so forth

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[1:31] ClickDecision[9k]: oh weird

[1:32] ClickDecision[9k]: so im playing against myself?

[1:32] ClickDecision[9k]: who am i rooting for lol

Move 0 + 1

[1:32] ldlework[5k]: we're all trying to contribute the best moves we can

[1:32] ldlework[5k]: then we'll review

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[1:32] ClickDecision[9k]: i think it'd be more fun with set teams

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[1:32] ldlework[5k]: the point is that no one wins or loses and we can get to playing stones without any anxiety of winning or losing

[1:33] ldlework[5k]: sorry I thought I explained in full

[1:33] ldlework[5k]: are you saying you would not like to play?

Move 0 + 3

[1:33] ClickDecision[9k]: still think teams would be cooler but ill tag along

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[1:34] ldlework[5k]: well no pressure to go through with it if you can't have fun

[1:34] ldlework[5k]: your turn otherwise!

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[1:34] ClickDecision[9k]: i just played the last 2 turns

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[1:34] ldlework[5k]: that's not how demo boards work

[1:34] ldlework[5k]: just say your move in chat

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[1:34] ClickDecision[9k]: so you don't see what I see in game?

Move 0 + 1

[1:35] ldlework[5k]: ...

[1:35] ldlework[5k]: it's a demo board

[1:35] ldlework[5k]: if you start a variation, no that's private

[1:35] ldlework[5k]: but *you* can see what *I* do

[1:35] ldlework[5k]: so say your move and I will place it on the board >_>

[1:35] ldlework[5k]: I didn't make this website, sorry.

Move 0 + 2

[1:35] ClickDecision[9k]: I see so atm all that's on the board is the black stone on the star point yeah?

Move 0 + 1

[1:35] ldlework[5k]: Yeah

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[1:35] ClickDecision[9k]: ok then d4

[1:35] ldlework[5k]: \o/

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[1:36] carot[4k]: I have no idea what's good fuseki in 13x13. But soon I'm sure we'll get into fighting.

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[1:36] ClickDecision[9k]: calm your $*!% mate. this is not at all a common way to play

[1:36] ldlework[5k]: Sorry, but I feel a lot of pressure to conform to your expectations when this was just supposed to be a lighthearted study exercise.

[1:37] ldlework[5k]: carot, your turn for black :O

Move 0 + 3

[1:37] ClickDecision[9k]: right well I didn't know at all what to expect

[1:37] ClickDecision[9k]: certainly not this since I've never heard of it til now

[1:37] ClickDecision[9k]: but it's fine

[1:37] ClickDecision[9k]: just needed a better explanation at the outset

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[1:38] ldlework[5k]: Sorry I didn't meet your expectations! I hope you get it now.

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[1:38] ClickDecision[9k]: carot you still deciding?

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[1:40] ldlework[5k]: :S

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[1:41] carot[4k]: I forgot it was my turn.

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[1:41] ldlework[5k]: np

[1:41] ldlework[5k]: remember to say your move in chat

[1:41] ldlework[5k]: not place it on the board

Move 0 + 4

[1:41] carot[4k]: OH

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[1:42] ClickDecision[9k]: how often have you tried this with people?

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[1:42] carot[4k]: I will ... but why?

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[1:42] ldlework[5k]: Because this is how the demo board on this website works.

[1:42] ClickDecision[9k]: i gotta imagine you'd have to explain to people over and over what to do lol

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[1:42] carot[4k]: But I've been placing my moves on the board, and it's been working so far.

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[1:42] ClickDecision[9k]: we can't see them though

[1:42] ClickDecision[9k]: so we have to tell him

[1:42] ldlework[5k]: Yes, you can do private variations, just like when you view a board on this website in any context.

Move 0 + 4

[1:42] carot[4k]: Oh!

[1:42] carot[4k]: C11

[1:43] carot[4k]: ty

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[1:43] ldlework[5k]: now click for black

[1:43] ClickDecision[9k]: hmmm

[1:43] ldlework[5k]: an so on

[1:43] ClickDecision[9k]: c6

Move 0 + 5

[1:44] ldlework[5k]: :O

[1:44] ClickDecision[9k]: kinda regret that a little haha maybe the 4th line would be better

[1:44] ldlework[5k]: I like how the board looks for black

[1:45] ldlework[5k]: good move :)

[1:45] ldlework[5k]: carot for white...

[1:45] ClickDecision[9k]: heh thanks we'll see how it goes : )

[1:45] ClickDecision[9k]: carot you thinking on this?

[1:45] ClickDecision[9k]: i think it's your move yeah?

[1:45] ldlework[5k]: I will write down the rules of Adventure Go for the future

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[1:45] carot[4k]: But I just played C11.

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[1:45] ldlework[5k]: carot

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: the point behind adventure go

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: is we cycle between white and black

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: every player plays both colors

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: you played black last time

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: so now you play white

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: notice there are three of us

[1:46] carot[4k]: I must have not played C11 then.

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: You did play C11

[1:46] ClickDecision[9k]: im just glad im not the only who got confused lmao

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: You are probably still viewing a private variation

[1:46] ClickDecision[9k]: click that sync button

[1:46] carot[4k]: Ah, but when I did the board didn't show K5. OK. I understand now.

[1:46] ldlework[5k]: and not the most recent move on the main variation of the demo board

[1:47] ldlework[5k]: Nice

[1:47] ldlework[5k]: I will write it all down for next time

[1:47] ldlework[5k]: So what's your move for white carot?

[1:47] carot[4k]: E11. White should mess up the middle and then play L11.

[1:47] ldlework[5k]: So E11 for white?

[1:48] carot[4k]: Yes.

Move 0 + 6

[1:48] ldlework[5k]: nice

Move 0 + 7

[1:48] ldlework[5k]: click for white

[1:48] ClickDecision[9k]: yeah imma thinkin

[1:49] ClickDecision[9k]: yuck i dont like white's spot lol

[1:49] carot[4k]: But white can attack black on the left now.

[1:49] ldlework[5k]: that's what I was thinking

[1:49] carot[4k]: I think white is winning. (Remember white has komi.)

[1:49] ldlework[5k]: 4 space jump = bad

[1:49] ClickDecision[9k]: well don't hate for me messing this up lol

[1:50] ClickDecision[9k]: not a position im familiar with

[1:50] ldlework[5k]: we wont, it's all about exploring a game progression together

[1:50] ldlework[5k]: get it

[1:50] ClickDecision[9k]: d9

[1:50] ldlework[5k]: "adventure go"

[1:50] ldlework[5k]: ;)

Move 0 + 8

[1:50] ldlework[5k]: I never play 5/4 corners in my own games :P

[1:51] ClickDecision[9k]: yeah me neither ^

[1:51] ldlework[5k]: but if we're going on an adventure... might as well

[1:51] ldlework[5k]: :D

[1:51] ldlework[5k]: I hope you can see the spirit behind the exercise

[1:51] ldlework[5k]: carot for black

[1:51] carot[4k]: B9

[1:51] carot[4k]: although I'm not sure why.

Move 0 + 9

[1:51] carot[4k]: Black could push through at D10 ... but I just don't like that.

[1:51] ldlework[5k]: just feels good :)

Move 0 + 10

[1:52] ClickDecision[9k]: hmm

[1:53] ldlework[5k]: imagine having like 8 people go on an adventure

[1:53] ClickDecision[9k]: b8

Move 0 + 11

[1:54] ClickDecision[9k]: maybe too conservative?

[1:54] ClickDecision[9k]: wonder if I should've played a bigger move

[1:54] carot[4k]: It's fine. Got to stay alive.

[1:54] ldlework[5k]: nah, i think instead my move was too aggressive

[1:54] carot[4k]: F8

Move 0 + 12

[1:54] ldlework[5k]: ooo

Move 0 + 13

[1:55] ldlework[5k]: :O

[1:55] carot[4k]: But now white's safe in the middle and has sente.

[1:55] carot[4k]: White can just ignore C3.

[1:55] ldlework[5k]: you think?

[1:55] ClickDecision[9k]: can it??

[1:55] ClickDecision[9k]: that seems reckless

[1:55] carot[4k]: If there's something big to play, yes.

[1:55] ldlework[5k]: black d3 is important

[1:56] ldlework[5k]: when i study with bots, they NEVER let me ignore a 3x3 invasion during review

[1:56] ClickDecision[9k]: yeah that seems nuts

[1:56] ClickDecision[9k]: i think i have to respond

[1:56] ClickDecision[9k]: otherwise we lose the corner

[1:56] ClickDecision[9k]: well more of the corner

[1:56] ClickDecision[9k]: haha

[1:56] ldlework[5k]: not to shut you down, i would hear the reasoning you have

[1:56] ldlework[5k]: sorry

[1:56] carot[4k]: Exactly. You've lost the corner. Another move here is small.

[1:56] ldlework[5k]: white should block d3

[1:56] ldlework[5k]: imo

[1:57] ldlework[5k]: black d3 isn't just the corner anymore

[1:57] ClickDecision[9k]: you'd give black the whole side?

[1:57] ClickDecision[9k]: and the corner?

[1:57] ldlework[5k]: black will get one

[1:57] ldlework[5k]: left or bottom

[1:57] ClickDecision[9k]: my instinct was c4

[1:57] ldlework[5k]: well always aiming to cut is good

[1:57] ldlework[5k]: i am fine with either block, i can argue either but white *should* block I think

[1:57] ldlework[5k]: but i'm bad at go so

[1:57] ClickDecision[9k]: well let's do c4 and if it's bad you can demonstrate why

Move 0 + 14

[1:58] ldlework[5k]: carot's turn

[1:59] carot[4k]: B4

Move 0 + 16

[1:59] ClickDecision[9k]: c2

[1:59] ldlework[5k]: click for black

Move 0 + 17

[2:00] ClickDecision[9k]: how does one expand on a 5-4 corner haha

[2:00] carot[4k]: B5

[2:00] ClickDecision[9k]: i keep looking at that trying to think what to do with it lol

Move 0 + 18

[2:01] carot[4k]: I don't think anything on the right is urgent.

[2:01] ClickDecision[9k]: no it's not but in the future

[2:01] carot[4k]: Especially after H11 - that was a good move IMO.

[2:01] ClickDecision[9k]: im wondering what to do with it

[2:01] ldlework[5k]: argh

[2:01] carot[4k]: Eventually, someone will play K3 or L3.

[2:01] carot[4k]: Either side can play either of those points.

[2:01] ldlework[5k]: k3 is my favorite

[2:02] ldlework[5k]: i want to sacrifice B4

Move 0 + 19

[2:02] ldlework[5k]: let's do it

[2:03] ldlework[5k]: (or not, up to us! haha)

[2:03] ClickDecision[9k]: hehe

[2:03] ClickDecision[9k]: b3

Move 0 + 20

[2:04] carot[4k]: K3

[2:04] carot[4k]: Black is just dead in the bottom left now. :-(

[2:05] carot[4k]: Unless black gets to approach it from the right, later.

[2:05] ClickDecision[9k]: only issue with this adventure style is I don't know if I'm supposed to be happy about any outcome lol

[2:05] ClickDecision[9k]: who am i rooting for!? xD

[2:05] carot[4k]: Exactly!

[2:05] ldlework[5k]: we'll check in review

Move 0 + 21

[2:06] ldlework[5k]: i feel like you should be able to approach any board position

[2:06] ldlework[5k]: for any color to move

[2:06] ldlework[5k]: and try to decide the best move

[2:06] ldlework[5k]: that's the point, not to win or root for any color

[2:07] ldlework[5k]: I have no idea where to go though

[2:07] ldlework[5k]: haha

Move 0 + 22

[2:07] ClickDecision[9k]: did you just play at l8?

[2:07] ldlework[5k]: as the demo operator I can't do private variations

[2:07] ldlework[5k]: yeah

[2:07] ClickDecision[9k]: ah okay

[2:08] ldlework[5k]: before I was reading B2 A4 E2

[2:08] ldlework[5k]: but I trust carot it doesn't work but I want to read it out in review

[2:09] ClickDecision[9k]: hmm that left corner is driving me nuts

[2:09] carot[4k]: Black can get OUT of the corner, as ldlework says ...

[2:09] carot[4k]: ... but will have nowhere to make eyes ...

[2:09] carot[4k]: ... unless black approaches from the right first.

[2:09] carot[4k]: Hint hint.

[2:10] carot[4k]: Or black could take the upper right corner.

[2:10] carot[4k]: I'm not sure which is bigger.

[2:10] ldlework[5k]: B2 A4 E2 D2 D1 E3 G2 something like that

[2:10] carot[4k]: Not E3. But otherwise yes.

[2:10] ldlework[5k]: so

[2:11] ClickDecision[9k]: imma go with....

[2:11] ClickDecision[9k]: g3?

[2:11] ldlework[5k]: there's a few additional players that want to join

[2:11] ldlework[5k]: do we want to welcome them to the game / start over / reject them?

Move 0 + 23

[2:12] ldlework[5k]: I went with welcome

[2:12] ldlework[5k]: carot for white

[2:12] ldlework[5k]: do you block at D2?

[2:12] carot[4k]: Yes.

[2:12] carot[4k]: Although it's painful for white, now that black's approached. :-(

[2:12] ldlework[5k]: yeah that's why I think my progression was needed at the time

[2:12] ldlework[5k]: it is

[2:13] carot[4k]: Now white needs sente, to invade the upper right.

[2:13] carot[4k]: And I don't see how white gets sente. Hope black makes a mistake, maybe.

[2:14] ClickDecision[9k]: that concept is lost on me. why is sente required to attack the corner?

[2:14] ldlework[5k]: hi kadoban

[2:14] carot[4k]: Because it's black's turn! White's just played at D2.

Move 0 + 24

[2:14] kadoban[?]: hello

[2:14] carot[4k]: Although that move's not showing up, so I'm not surprised you're confused.

[2:14] carot[4k]: Hi kadoban.

[2:14] ldlework[5k]: sorry

[2:14] carot[4k]: nw

[2:15] ClickDecision[9k]: im not very good at thinking about the game either

[2:15] ClickDecision[9k]: so there's that too

[2:15] ldlework[5k]: do we not enter the middle as black?

[2:15] carot[4k]: And the reason white needs to attack the corner is that now all the groups are safe, so we can count points, and I believe white is behind on points if black gets the corner. Although I haven't actualyl counted because I'm lazy.

[2:15] ldlework[5k]: m11?

[2:15] ldlework[5k]: l11?

[2:16] carot[4k]: Yes, or M10. I think M10 is safer, but we should read out M11.

[2:16] carot[4k]: Not I11. White gets almost no points that way and black gets thick.

[2:16] ldlework[5k]: hm m10 safer than m11?

[2:16] ldlework[5k]: it's black's turn

[2:16] carot[4k]: Yes ... unless white can kill black. WHich might be possible. Hm.

[2:16] carot[4k]: I don't know.

[2:17] carot[4k]: If L10 kills black then of course that's good!

[2:17] carot[4k]: And maybe it does.

[2:17] ldlework[5k]: it's black's turn

[2:17] ldlework[5k]: black M11

[2:17] carot[4k]: Oh right.

[2:17] ldlework[5k]: seems like safety

[2:17] carot[4k]: I was thinking head. Sorry.

[2:17] ldlework[5k]: black M11 or M4

[2:17] ldlework[5k]: can't decide

[2:17] carot[4k]: So M10 or L10.

[2:17] carot[4k]: M4 is not sente.

Move 0 + 25

[2:18] kadoban[?]: What's the format of this? We just discuss the next move all together really?

[2:18] carot[4k]: Now we should count, but

[2:18] ldlework[5k]: well we've kind of devolved into that

[2:18] ClickDecision[9k]: (i still think team go is better : P )

[2:18] carot[4k]: ... I think white's in trouble. Maybe should try to kill black at the bottom.

[2:18] ldlework[5k]: but since it's collaborative and a study exercise that's ok

[2:18] ldlework[5k]: click your turn

[2:18] carot[4k]: Shall we count? Black has about 12 at the top right.

[2:18] ClickDecision[9k]: yeah white not lookin great from my noob eyes

[2:18] carot[4k]: Maybe 8 in the top left.

[2:19] carot[4k]: At least six on the bottom.

[2:19] carot[4k]: So that's > 26.

[2:19] kadoban[?]: White can play B6, maybe cutting off those two black stones. Bottom right is probably more urgent though

[2:19] carot[4k]: White has say four on the right, four in the middle, and 12 in the bottom left, plus komi.

[2:19] carot[4k]: So it's actually quite close. I was wrong to be too worried for white.

[2:20] carot[4k]: I agree with kadoban: B6 is good, but not urgent.

[2:20] ldlework[5k]: I like a shoulder hit near the bottom for white

[2:20] ldlework[5k]: or even cap

[2:20] kadoban[?]: I'm thinking more corner. L3 if it works

[2:20] carot[4k]: Why not white L3?

[2:20] carot[4k]: Yes.

[2:20] ClickDecision[9k]: sure

[2:20] ClickDecision[9k]: l3

Move 0 + 26

[2:20] ldlework[5k]: kadoban for black

[2:20] carot[4k]: Black can't reply with L4 because of the weakness on the left.

[2:20] kadoban[?]: I think cap or whatever would be better if white already has B6

[2:21] kadoban[?]: Black probably L2 maybe?

[2:21] carot[4k]: I think so, yes.

Move 0 + 27

[2:21] kadoban[?]: K4 or L4. Probably L4?

[2:21] ClickDecision[9k]: hey i gotta run sorry guys

[2:21] ClickDecision[9k]: was fun though

[2:22] carot[4k]: K4 looks good to me.

[2:22] ldlework[5k]: "...but not as fun as team go"

Move 0 + 28

[2:22] kadoban[?]: Now black gets to pick psycho or passive. M3 or J3

[2:22] kadoban[?]: Or is L4 possible?

[2:23] carot[4k]: If playing on the right, I think M4.

[2:23] carot[4k]: But I think J3 is bigger, no?

[2:23] carot[4k]: Sorry not M4! I misread that.

[2:23] ldlework[5k]: my intution is that black k2 forces white to fix

[2:23] carot[4k]: M3 is a gote sequence, so that's a problem.

[2:23] ldlework[5k]: then black can do a more serious move in the middle

[2:24] kadoban[?]: Well M3, can white J3? What happens?

[2:24] carot[4k]: White can J3 then, yes.

[2:24] carot[4k]: ldlework, I'm not sure K2 is sente.

[2:24] kadoban[?]: Then black take, then ... atari?

[2:25] ldlework[5k]: black would get the stone for sure

[2:25] carot[4k]: I think black's best hope at sente is M2.

[2:25] carot[4k]: Only that's so small. :-(

[2:25] ldlework[5k]: capturing race

[2:25] ldlework[5k]: black K2, white tenuki, black L4 white M3 black M4

[2:25] kadoban[?]: M2 now seems not forceful enough. White will be happy to play J3 and it's going to be sente to get like the whole center

[2:25] ldlework[5k]: black is going to win

[2:26] ldlework[5k]: am I wrong?

[2:26] carot[4k]: Seems close to me. See count above.

[2:26] kadoban[?]: Black seems like should be ahead after J3 or K2 maybe

[2:26] carot[4k]: I'm going offline fairly soon. For some reason I thought this was going to be a correspondence game ... although doing it live is fine.

Move 0 + 29

[2:26] ldlework[5k]: let's see white tenuki and black resist the atari

[2:27] carot[4k]: Whose turn is it?

[2:27] ldlework[5k]: kadobon

[2:27] ldlework[5k]: for white

[2:27] carot[4k]: I'm wondering whether white M3 is sente.

[2:28] carot[4k]: It's tricky for black to live if black ignores white M3.

[2:28] kadoban[?]: It could be sente, but black wants to respond in the middle probably anyway so I dunno if it matters

[2:28] kadoban[?]: wM3 probably bG5 ?

[2:28] ldlework[5k]: I was thinking M3 E5 lol

[2:29] ldlework[5k]: but that's bad

[2:29] carot[4k]: But the middle is very small, unless any of the groups can be severely attacked there.

[2:29] kadoban[?]: E5 looks possibleish too

[2:29] carot[4k]: Black can come into the middle from the top or the bottom, so they're miai.

[2:29] kadoban[?]: The middle is small, except there's not much else to do anyway

[2:29] ldlework[5k]: E2 is sente

[2:29] carot[4k]: The top and the right are both still quite big.

[2:29] kadoban[?]: M3 looks kind of required for white

[2:29] carot[4k]: And B6.

[2:30] ldlework[5k]: so is white not gonna fix

[2:30] kadoban[?]: L6 is a fun shape move for black sometime

[2:30] kadoban[?]: White really doesn't want to fix, probably has to though?

[2:30] ldlework[5k]: exactly

[2:30] ldlework[5k]: why i just had to go k2

[2:30] carot[4k]: I would want to play M3 as white, because I think it's sente.

[2:30] ldlework[5k]: then black can rethink

[2:31] kadoban[?]: I think just M3. It's "sente" in the sense that black is going to respond anyway, but it's not the good kind of sente

[2:31] ldlework[5k]: it's sente but black wants to respond

[2:31] ldlework[5k]: heh yeah

[2:31] kadoban[?]: It's sente to make black eat our own face

[2:31] kadoban[?]: I think m3 though, I don't see how to avoid it

[2:31] carot[4k]: I've just realised what we need. We need a strong player!

[2:31] ldlework[5k]: L4

[2:31] carot[4k]: One would do.

[2:31] kadoban[?]: Other option is crazy play for center, but it doesn't look good

[2:31] ldlework[5k]: well

[2:31] ldlework[5k]: we're supposed to discuss this stuff after

[2:31] ldlework[5k]: but i don't mind ^_^'

[2:32] ldlework[5k]: I make a rule about Adventure Go that during the game only emotes are allowed.

[2:32] kadoban[?]: L4 possible. I would only play it because of shape towards L8 though. If it fixes L6 shape point? I dunno

[2:32] kadoban[?]: I don't think it fixes enough

[2:32] ldlework[5k]: It just means black M3 is slower

[2:33] ldlework[5k]: But still good..

[2:33] ldlework[5k]: I think you're right

[2:33] kadoban[?]: L6 and M5 shape points are ... scary as white

[2:33] ldlework[5k]: Oh M4 is nice

[2:33] ldlework[5k]: makes B M3 really really bad

[2:33] ldlework[5k]: well nm

[2:34] ldlework[5k]: go with your gut you're the strongest person here!

[2:34] ldlework[5k]: XD

[2:34] kadoban[?]: M4 I think black will just still ignore, and probably later get M3

[2:34] kadoban[?]: I think white has to m3, it's just not satisfying

[2:34] ldlework[5k]: to the merit of K2 :)

[2:34] kadoban[?]: It's that or crazypants H2 or something

[2:34] kadoban[?]: Try to trick black into getting the corner

[2:34] ldlework[5k]: :O

[2:34] ldlework[5k]: let's play

[2:34] ldlework[5k]: cuz carot has to go

[2:34] ldlework[5k]: get it

[2:34] ldlework[5k]: go

[2:34] kadoban[?]: Ya that's fine

[2:34] kadoban[?]: Oh do I play?

[2:35] ldlework[5k]: just say which move you want

[2:35] ldlework[5k]: for white

[2:35] kadoban[?]: M3 I suppose

Move 0 + 30

[2:35] kadoban[?]: Now black ...

Move 0 + 31

[2:36] ldlework[5k]: deal with it

[2:36] kadoban[?]: Probably something like G5? miai to get by cutting off B6 or Playing J9ish and getting stuff there?

[2:37] kadoban[?]: I don't think it's sente enough to respond

[2:37] ldlework[5k]: carot for white

[2:37] kadoban[?]: Hm, did carot already have to leave?

[2:38] carot[4k]: E1

Move 0 + 32

[2:38] ldlework[5k]: sick move

[2:39] carot[4k]: I'm still hoping to make black take gote.

[2:39] kadoban[?]: Kind of want to ignore as black. I didn't like E2 much though, so I dunno if black has to play f2 or something instead

[2:40] ldlework[5k]: sorry :(

[2:40] carot[4k]: You can't ignore YET. You don't want to die!

[2:40] kadoban[?]: Well ignore at G5 or something

[2:40] kadoban[?]: Won't die

Move 0 + 33

[2:40] kadoban[?]: Haha, no need to apologize, I dunno if E2 is even bad. I just don't like the feel of it

[2:40] ldlework[5k]: sorry e2 was attrocious

[2:40] ldlework[5k]: lol

[2:41] carot[4k]: Ooh ooh white has to M2 now.

[2:41] carot[4k]: That's worth several points, and sente.

[2:41] kadoban[?]: M2 is looking largeish

[2:41] kadoban[?]: What about H4? What does black do?

[2:41] ldlework[5k]: cut

[2:42] ldlework[5k]: J4

[2:42] ldlework[5k]: chase that white thing left and up

[2:42] ldlework[5k]: connect to upper right

[2:42] ldlework[5k]: live on the bottom

[2:42] ldlework[5k]: I'm basically a 9p

[2:43] kadoban[?]: If J4, I'm thinking J3 and try to make trouble

[2:43] carot[4k]: Whose move?

[2:43] ldlework[5k]: kado

[2:43] kadoban[?]: Hm, maybe that doesn't work for white

[2:43] ldlework[5k]: M2 J4?

[2:44] kadoban[?]: Okay, just M2

[2:44] ldlework[5k]: white can crawl around L1 get three more points.. but it is slow endgame move

Move 0 + 34

[2:45] ldlework[5k]: carot for black

[2:46] carot[4k]: H8

[2:46] carot[4k]: Because black can't get more than a couple of points on the bottom no matter what they do. :-(

Move 0 + 36

[2:48] ldlework[5k]: O_O

[2:48] kadoban[?]: That's probably not bad

[2:48] ldlework[5k]: I regretted it immediately

[2:48] kadoban[?]: E6 or something for white, try to kill?

[2:49] ldlework[5k]: yeah that's what I was thinking

[2:49] kadoban[?]: For black I mean

[2:49] ldlework[5k]: yeah, but that means I shoulda went there

[2:49] ldlework[5k]: lol

[2:49] ldlework[5k]: your turn

[2:49] kadoban[?]: Maybe

[2:49] kadoban[?]: E6 is good enough. I dunno the right point near there

Move 0 + 37

[2:50] kadoban[?]: H12, see what black wants?

[2:50] kadoban[?]: White has to live with that thing up there

[2:51] ldlework[5k]: carot you still there?

Move 0 + 35

[2:52] carot[4k]: Hi yes.

Move 0 + 37

[2:52] ldlework[5k]: how will white liveo n the top

Move 0 + 36

[2:52] carot[4k]: F2

Move 0 + 37

[2:52] ldlework[5k]: that move is already there

[2:52] ldlework[5k]: in a variation?

Move 0 + 36

[2:52] carot[4k]: White has H7 or C12

Move 0 + 37

[2:52] ldlework[5k]: which one you want

Move 0 + 36

[2:52] carot[4k]: Oh, am I playing black?

Move 0 + 37

[2:52] ldlework[5k]: no white

[2:52] ldlework[5k]: i think you're desynced

Move 0 + 36

[2:53] carot[4k]: Didn't white just play F2?

Move 0 + 37

[2:53] ldlework[5k]: no black played E6

Move 0 + 36

[2:53] carot[4k]: I'm not seeing that. :-/

Move 0 + 37

[2:53] ldlework[5k]: refresh

[2:53] carot[4k]: OK

[2:53] carot[4k]: C12

Move 0 + 39

[2:54] ldlework[5k]: i hope this is sente

[2:54] ldlework[5k]: lol

[2:54] carot[4k]: That is very sente.

[2:55] ldlework[5k]: kadoban says they can't rejoin for some reason

[2:55] carot[4k]: $*!%!

[2:56] carot[4k]: Let's try a correspondence version of this some time.

[2:57] ldlework[5k]: I am going to get this reviewed by a dan player

[2:57] ldlework[5k]: I'll send it to you when I have it

[2:57] carot[4k]: Thanks!

[2:57] carot[4k]: Later!

[3:01] illluck[5d]: this is a review link

[3:01] illluck[5d]: I think you need to post the original game

[3:01] ldlework[5k]: the game was done as a demo

[3:01] ldlework[5k]: because there was >2 players

[3:01] illluck[5d]: wat

[3:01] illluck[5d]: haha

[3:01] ldlework[5k]: it's adventure go

[3:02] ldlework[5k]: so all the players split into two quques, and when ou play a move for a color, you go to the end of the line for the other color

[3:02] ldlework[5k]: everyone tries to submit the best move they can on their turn

[3:03] illluck[5d]: so how would someone try to review this :p

[3:08] ldlework[5k]: how does it change anything?

[4:02] qqqqqqqq1[?]: im back!