Game Finished

Move 110

Vsotvep[2k]

0 captures

Samraku[1k]

4 captures

Unranked

Rules: New Zealand

Processing

White wins by Resignation

Move 0

April 10, 2020

[20:54] Samraku[1d]: gl hf

[20:54] Vsotvep[1d]: You too

Move 27

[21:08] Vsotvep[1d]: I have to admit I'm not very focused today...

[21:10] Vsotvep[1d]: C2 was a huge mistake, even so early on

Move 30

[21:12] Samraku[1d]: All counting in hex

[21:12] Samraku[1d]: White

[21:12] Samraku[1d]: lower left 11

Move 44

[21:19] Samraku[1d]: I feel like as time goes by, we're getting more and more comfortable with faster play and less ugly-looking shape in TMG.

[21:19] Vsotvep[1d]: Perhaps

[21:19] Vsotvep[1d]: I'm not feeling very comfortable at the moment:P

Move 47

[21:20] Vsotvep[1d]: So I'll try and fight, after all that's where the fun is in TMG

Move 48

[21:22] Samraku[1d]: This is an interesting afaetu

[21:22] Vsotvep[1d]: A very interesting afaetu

[21:22] Samraku[1d]: I love bugcat's proposal

Move 58

[21:27] Vsotvep[1d]: I'm sorry, I'm playing like rubbish compared to last time

Move 59

[21:28] Samraku[1d]: we all have better and worse games

Move 60

[21:31] Vsotvep[1d]: B13's triangle is not safe, but it's such a waste to defend it...

Move 64

[21:31] Vsotvep[1d]: wait

Move 63

[21:32] Samraku[1d]: internet lag; clicked twic

[21:32] Vsotvep[1d]: I was confused that I couldn't find the undo button

[21:32] Vsotvep[1d]: but the one making the move has to do that

[21:32] Vsotvep[1d]: (but it was my "move" last :P)

[21:32] Samraku[1d]: :D

Move 70

[21:38] Samraku[1d]: moyut shall not die!

Move 73

[21:40] Samraku[1d]: The muvus strategy as opposed to the faetut strategy?

[21:40] Samraku[1d]: (yes, that was just an excuse to use bugcatgolang

[21:40] Vsotvep[1d]: Ah, now I get it

[21:41] Vsotvep[1d]: I don't speak bug-go

[21:41] Samraku[1d]: I still have to reference the thread sometimes

[21:41] Samraku[1d]: But I'm becoming more fluent, I think

[21:42] Vsotvep[1d]: I blame the music I'm listening for my rather chaotic approach to this game

[21:43] Samraku[1d]: Is it more chaotic than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-hxWLoOjgw&t=5161s

[21:43] Samraku[1d]: Which I'm listening to?

[21:43] Vsotvep[1d]: Yes

[21:43] Samraku[1d]: Even story-wise?

[21:44] Vsotvep[1d]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vIcwoXkR0I&t=2m37s

[21:44] Samraku[1d]: yeah, that'd drive me crazy

Move 76

[21:46] Vsotvep[1d]: It's an addiction called "jazz": the more you get interested in jazz, the less like music it starts to sound like "normal music"

[21:47] Vsotvep[1d]: or your sentences start to make grammatical sense, apparently

[21:47] Samraku[1d]: I've been meaning to try some jazz, probably from a long time ago

Move 77

[21:47] Vsotvep[1d]: I'm killing myself on the side here.....

[21:48] Samraku[1d]: It seems like the thing I might like as it seems to have a much more creative tonal palette (I'm a philosophical proponent of microtonal music, and jazz is the closest you get to that in the mainstream afaik)

Move 81

[21:51] Vsotvep[1d]: If you can call jazz mainstream

[21:52] Vsotvep[1d]: Otherwise contemporary classical music would be closer, I suppose

[21:52] Vsotvep[1d]: but microtonal isn't really a style, more a feature

[21:52] Samraku[1d]: yes

[21:53] Samraku[1d]: And I am philosophically in favor of implementing microtonal scales in music; jazz just happens to be a genre that historically brought more unique sounds to western music

Move 85

[21:53] Samraku[1d]: as I understand it

Move 86

[21:54] Vsotvep[1d]: There have been several influences. Recently jazz has certainly been a huge inspiration for hip-hop and electronic music

Move 89

[22:01] Vsotvep[1d]: I don't see anything good for me on this board

[22:01] Samraku[1d]: Well, we don't know if moyu are worth anything in TMG

[22:01] Vsotvep[1d]: certainly more than no moyo, I would guess

Move 100

[22:09] Samraku[1d]: Is it just me, or does the board feel smaller and the game shorter in TMG 19x19 as compared with orthogo 19x19?

[22:09] Vsotvep[1d]: The game does feel shorter, but that's not surprising

[22:10] Vsotvep[1d]: I think the board feels just as large, but areas feel more cramped

[22:10] Vsotvep[1d]: But I have to admit that your moyo looks way too large

[22:10] Vsotvep[1d]: and the rest of the board rather small

Move 109

[22:15] Samraku[1d]: isn't it my move?

[22:15] Samraku[1d]: I think the last move should be mine

Move 108

[22:16] Vsotvep[1d]: Really?

[22:16] Vsotvep[1d]: Woops, misclick

Move 109

[22:16] Samraku[1d]: yeah

Move 110

[22:17] Vsotvep[1d]: Now I have a double?

[22:17] Samraku[1d]: I don't think so

[22:17] Samraku[1d]: what move number do you have

[22:17] Vsotvep[1d]: Oh no, let's see, I might have gone to the wrong circle

[22:17] Samraku[1d]: I have 53 (x)

[22:18] Vsotvep[1d]: Ah wait, no I'm in the right circle

[22:18] Vsotvep[1d]: now: BWBBWWBBWBWWBB?

[22:19] Samraku[1d]: yes

[22:19] Samraku[1d]: that's what I have

[22:19] Vsotvep[1d]: I can see where I went wrong

[22:20] Vsotvep[1d]: I'm sorry, my brain is really not starting up today

[22:20] Vsotvep[1d]: I've mostly been staring at the board, instead of actually reading

[22:20] Samraku[1d]: You're fine; is there any outstanding disagreement on the game state left?

[22:20] Vsotvep[1d]: With O11 my strategy is not going to work either

[22:20] Vsotvep[1d]: no, I agree

[22:20] Samraku[1d]: we can back up to move 50 (x)

[22:21] Vsotvep[1d]: Is it alright if I resign instead?

[22:21] Samraku[1d]: I assume that's where the error was introduced?

[22:21] Samraku[1d]: yeah, I was probably ahead anyway

[22:21] Vsotvep[1d]: I agree, since E3/4 ;P

[22:21] Samraku[1d]: good game

[22:21] Vsotvep[1d]: Thanks for the game

[22:22] Samraku[1d]: Thank you as well

[22:22] Samraku[1d]: Would you like to schedule another?

[22:22] Vsotvep[1d]: Perhaps later, I don't really know what my plans for next week are going to be

[22:22] Samraku[1d]: Okay; feel free to pm me or post on the thread

[22:22] Vsotvep[1d]: Sure!

[22:22] Samraku[1d]: I love the ai evaluations for TMG games

[22:23] Vsotvep[1d]: I wish we had a TMG-Leela

[22:23] Samraku[1d]: Yeah

[22:23] Vsotvep[1d]: Find out if what we're doing makes any sense or not

[22:24] Samraku[1d]: I wonder how difficult it would be to feed Leela with TMG rules?

[22:24] Vsotvep[1d]: Even having just a 1k strength bot would be nice

[22:25] Samraku[1d]: yeah

[22:25] Vsotvep[1d]: Not at all difficult, I assume

[22:25] Samraku[1d]: But I'm like 25k in ML land

[22:25] Vsotvep[1d]: Perhaps some heuristic where it will treat a double move as a single entity, so it doesn't waste 50% of its reading over the order of those two moves

[22:26] Samraku[1d]: I could reach 1d in ML rank and probably implement it, but it would take dedication

[22:26] Samraku[1d]: Or maybe you only need to be ML-sdk to do something like that? idk

[22:26] Vsotvep[1d]: I would even dare to say that TMG is easier than orthogo, because its state space is smaller

[22:27] Vsotvep[1d]: I'm not sure, I'm an ML 15k

[22:27] Samraku[1d]: We could always play on 21x21 if TMG being too easy starts being a problem. :D

[22:27] Vsotvep[1d]: I have several dan-level friends, though!

[22:28] Samraku[1d]: :D