Game Finished

Move 275

Isa.bel[?]

68 points

Elvina Kalsberg[2d]

61.5 points

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Black wins by 6.5 points

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Move 0

December 13, 2020

[9:12] Isabel02[?]: Have a good game!

Move 3

[9:14] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: European Online Women's Go Championship 2020

[9:14] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: https://www.eurogofed.org/women/2020.html

Move 5

[9:15] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: the last quater-final match! Elvina Kalsberg (Russia) -- Isabel Donle (Germany)

[9:16] S_Alexander[2d]: boom let's watch

Move 11

[9:18] Shinkenjoe[1d]: i've only seen tenuki after f16 lately

Move 16

[9:21] rowlunch[5k]: Doesn't o17 make it easier for whites right group?

[9:23] Shinkenjoe[1d]: whites right group is quite strong, sure black can play s11 and later attack the group, but white could tenuki

Move 17

[9:24] rowlunch[5k]: K thanks :)

Move 20

[9:31] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: yeah, o17 makes r11 really nice move for white, and it makes whites top lot smaller

[9:31] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: Variation: w playing o17 would have been big too

[9:31] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: *really nice move for black, i mean

Move 23

[9:35] rowlunch[5k]: So it was more about taking what white wanted?

Move 25

[9:36] Shinkenjoe[1d]: Variation: i wonder if white had a special plan for this

[9:36] rowlunch[5k]: And b got extension now

Move 26

[9:38] Shinkenjoe[1d]: Variation: for example

Move 28

[9:42] Ajibaba[?]: i suspect the 3-3 was the leela move as in your variation and even more so before d10

Move 29

[9:44] rowlunch[5k]: What I don't get is why b wants to invade 3-3 when they have massive corner themselves which is open to invasion

[9:45] Ajibaba[?]: b wants to invade the 3-3 corner before she cuts at c9 because if she did it would fix the corner too

[9:46] rowlunch[5k]: Aaah I see it ^^

[9:46] Ajibaba[?]: i dont think it is necessarily the correct approach

Move 32

[9:52] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: Variation: yeah, 3-3 would be pretty hard after the c9 cut

[9:52] joachim[3d]: Variation: Normal?

Move 34

[9:53] joachim[3d]: B5 surprised me a bit

Move 35

[9:54] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: Variation: what happens here?

[9:54] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: looks messy af >___>

[9:54] joachim[3d]: B4

[9:54] rowlunch[5k]: C8 wouldn't work as response to peep?

[9:54] Ajibaba[?]: Variation: 18

[9:55] Ajibaba[?]: this is rather normal i think

[9:56] Ajibaba[?]: this is slightly worse for b than just cutting c9 without invading the corner first i think

Move 36

[9:57] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: hmm at least w had to play in the corner again to make sure it stays dead, and c7 looks kinda helpful move for b

Move 37

[9:58] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: oh its not dead yet?

[9:58] Ardargoz[2k]: Maybe for more I that's later,

[9:58] Ardargoz[2k]: Ko*

[9:58] Ardargoz[2k]: Threats*

[9:59] Ajibaba[?]: it is, but there is aji, beyond me to say when to do certain exchanges to activate it later

Move 41

[10:00] Ajibaba[?]: b2 gave potential h2 connection with go for free now

[10:00] Ajibaba[?]: with ko

Move 42

[10:02] Shinkenjoe[1d]: g6 looks slow

[10:02] Shinkenjoe[1d]: em f6 sry

[10:03] Ardargoz[2k]: Threatens to pull Sons

[10:04] Ardargoz[2k]: Omg trying to use this with phone is bad

[10:04] Shinkenjoe[1d]: it kinda pushes black into playing an extension, which she wants to do anyways

[10:04] Ardargoz[2k]: F6 threatens to pull the stone out it attack the bottom

Move 48

[10:14] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: k16 now?

Move 53

[10:18] Shinkenjoe[1d]: another standard move would have been m18 instead of k16

[10:19] Ajibaba[?]: m18 would have been too early

Move 54

[10:21] Shinkenjoe[1d]: hmm i thought m15 in place inhibits m18, but it still works

Move 57

[10:24] pinel.loic[?]: On WG16, I(ve tried WH17, think better for white

[10:25] pinel.loic[?]: but I'm probably around 18k don't think if it's good

[10:26] Ajibaba[?]: Variation: 19

[10:26] Ajibaba[?]: kind of complicated but i think this variation is the reason why in this case i dont think h17 is good

[10:26] pinel.loic[?]: thanks

[10:29] tinsanun[?]: rtghj,./hi

[10:35] Shinkenjoe[1d]: white thinking a lot, maybe thinking bout sacrificing the m17 group

[10:36] pinel.loic[?]: P15?

[10:38] Shinkenjoe[1d]: maybe, i tried to read o16, but ended in desaster

Move 58

[10:39] hypergeometric[4k]: Koba : when is the next game ?

[10:41] pinel.loic[?]: N17 i(ve played when tried bO17

[10:41] derler[11k]: according to eurogofed it's the day after tomorrow. let's enjoy this game first.

[10:42] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: the semi-final games havent been scheduled yet, but those should be on 15.-17th

[10:42] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: https://www.eurogofed.org/women/2020.html

Move 59

[10:42] Ajibaba[?]: does w play to play m18 if b cut?

[10:43] pinel.loic[?]: Oh, it's a tournament ?

[10:43] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: championship tournament ^^

[10:43] pinel.loic[?]: owhowhowh

[10:44] pinel.loic[?]: I'm new on this game, it's cool to see a tournament :)

[10:44] yunonka[1k]: welcome, Loic:)

[10:44] Shinkenjoe[1d]: definitely

[10:44] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: yeah

Move 60

[10:44] Shinkenjoe[1d]: enter semeai

[10:45] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: its nice to have these kinda serious games on ogs ^^

Move 61

[10:46] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: usually ewgc has been on some live location, and the only way to see the games has been if you're there standing next to the board

[10:47] Shinkenjoe[1d]: strike through the "kinda"

[10:47] Mbrez[?]: the top games were always scribed on KGS except in 2018

Move 62

[10:48] NeonLights[3d]: Maybe when it was held on the Isle of Mann it wasn't broadcast

[10:49] Shinkenjoe[1d]: they don't have internet?

[10:49] joachim[3d]: Not enough scribes maybe.

[10:50] pinel.loic[?]: And, europen go federation ( EGF ? ) i've some entries ? For a new french player ?

[10:50] pinel.loic[?]: Or is it only for some ranked players ?

[10:51] NeonLights[3d]: this year it is restricted to just 16

[10:51] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: pine, you will get an egf rank if you attend to some egf ranked tournament ^^

[10:51] NeonLights[3d]: normally any woman can enter if they are a member of an EGF member federation

[10:51] hypergeometric[4k]: who is winning ?

[10:51] hypergeometric[4k]: It seems to me that K17 is dead

[10:52] Mbrez[?]: you should start with a French go license :D it's the good moment to get one before the majoration

[10:52] NeonLights[3d]: it is illegal to play go in France without a license

[10:52] hypergeometric[4k]: What is a go licence good for ?

[10:52] hypergeometric[4k]: wow really

[10:53] dlpigozzi[5k]: is k17 group or W's big group

[10:53] NeonLights[3d]: yes, look what happened to André Moussa

Move 63

[10:54] dlpigozzi[5k]: what happened?

[10:54] NeonLights[3d]: i don't know

[10:55] Ajibaba[?]: doesnt look easy to kill to me

[10:55] Ajibaba[?]: Variation: 20

[10:55] pinel.loic[?]: I'll try to search for FFG ( fédération française de go )

[10:55] pinel.loic[?]: thx for the informations, let's see this game :)

[10:56] dacat1[7d]: hmm c9 looked a bit small: saving the corner might have been preferrable

[10:56] dacat1[7d]: and this sacrifice looks a bit optimistic on black's part, let's see if it works out ^^

[10:58] NeonLights[3d]: https://ffg.jeudego.org/

Move 64

[10:58] Shinkenjoe[1d]: you refer to sacrifice of O17?

Move 67

[11:02] Coreon[3d]: did b just died? E18 doesn't look sente

[11:02] Coreon[3d]: *die

[11:02] Phenol[4d]: H18 need

Move 68

[11:03] Phenol[4d]: ))

[11:05] Shinkenjoe[1d]: so rather f18 than f17 ?

[11:05] dacat1[7d]: if b can't resist n13 its kinda over...

[11:06] Coreon[3d]: can't b make a Ko out of L17, M18?

[11:06] dacat1[7d]: also black is dying on top ^^

[11:06] Coreon[3d]: ah, no forget about that

[11:06] Coreon[3d]: b ist just dead

Move 69

[11:07] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: :<

[11:07] Ajibaba[?]: Variation: 21

Move 70

[11:09] pinel.loic[?]: It's the same way we saw earlier

[11:10] pinel.loic[?]: with wH17

Move 72

[11:13] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: isnt b alive now with g18?

[11:13] Coreon[3d]: yea, I missed it again :D

Move 78

[11:16] dacat1[7d]: so black is kind of surviving and got to play n13 after all

[11:17] dacat1[7d]: nice

[11:17] dacat1[7d]: Variation: black would have gotten crushed

Move 80

[11:18] derler[11k]: I am not sure about black surviving yet. but at least black got n13 yeah.

[11:18] Ajibaba[?]: Variation: 22

[11:18] Ajibaba[?]: its something

Move 84

[11:19] dacat1[7d]: Variation: gg for b

[11:20] dacat1[7d]: black giving those two and living in gote would probably not be playable ^^

[11:20] Ajibaba[?]: no you tenuki it i suppose

[11:20] dacat1[7d]: mm, what would be the sequence for that?

Move 92

[11:22] Ajibaba[?]: probably hard to find one, which i wouldnt only mention in shame

Move 93

[11:24] Shinkenjoe[1d]: time to count

[11:24] dacat1[7d]: b really kind of survived

[11:25] NeonLights[3d]: is there a danger of black o16 there

[11:25] dacat1[7d]: sort of ok on points and not bad on strength either, n13 ponnuki and all

Move 96

[11:27] Coreon[3d]: hmm white ist not easily alive in the left bottom corner either. could hurt in an upcoming fight if b manages to cut white off there

Move 97

[11:27] Shinkenjoe[1d]: i got white 54,5 (with komi) and black and black 56 with my +- 10 points kyu count

Move 99

[11:28] Shinkenjoe[1d]: but white just gained points in reference to my count

Move 100

[11:28] Coreon[3d]: why would be play K4 instead of J4?

Move 101

[11:35] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: g5 o.O

Move 102

[11:35] Chinitsu[3d]: G5 looks like the kind of move I play when I'm panicking...

Move 104

[11:36] Chinitsu[3d]: but it my case it usually end up when my opponent laughing at my face T_T

[11:36] Chinitsu[3d]: *end up with

Move 107

[11:37] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: b just gives up f3 stones now >__>

Move 109

[11:37] derler[11k]: what. I expected g6 or something. to reconstitute towards the middle. not j2.

[11:37] Chinitsu[3d]: K5

[11:37] Chinitsu[3d]: wait wait no lol

[11:38] Chinitsu[3d]: I'm an idiot

Move 111

[11:40] dacat1[7d]: i was wondering if b could plonk a stone down at r7 to annoy w

[11:40] dacat1[7d]: i would have tried :D

[11:40] Chinitsu[3d]: I would too, b is very strong nearby

Move 112

[11:41] Chinitsu[3d]: But maybe white can kill b R7 inside? This is common shape so probably people already have a joseki for it

[11:41] dacat1[7d]: b would at least get free s5 endgame

[11:41] dacat1[7d]: i dont care if it dies, I want s5 and s19 in sente :D

[11:41] dacat1[7d]: *s10

[11:43] Groin[2d]: Just joined. Are we in the yose already?

Move 114

[11:43] Chinitsu[3d]: Yes, since move 1

[11:43] Chinitsu[3d]: Fuseki is just big yose move for AI

[11:43] Shinkenjoe[1d]: naa there was a hard fight top

[11:44] Coreon[3d]: looks like b could make some points in the centre thoigh

Move 115

[11:45] Shinkenjoe[1d]: black has a small lead even without center, according to my count, so white gotta do sth

Move 118

[11:46] Coreon[3d]: But I thought b could play p6 instead of n6, I didnt see anything tricky for b

[11:46] dacat1[7d]: Variation: can they stop playing in the center and take these points...

[11:47] Coreon[3d]: anyway, if b is ahead there's no need to make the game more complicated

[11:47] Chinitsu[3d]: Um I count white leading by komi actually...

Move 119

[11:47] Chinitsu[3d]: Q4 because spirit

Move 120

[11:48] Chinitsu[3d]: yay spirit

Move 121

[11:48] Groin[2d]: Gote spirit?

Move 123

[11:49] Chinitsu[3d]: better than gote spiritless

Move 126

[11:50] Chinitsu[3d]: oooh

[11:50] Chinitsu[3d]: the spirit is strong within this one

Move 127

[11:50] Chinitsu[3d]: I don't see anything though >_>

[11:50] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: why this way

[11:51] GERLyde[4d]: Variation: Step-KO

[11:51] derler[11k]: tempting white to follow up on o2 maybe?

[11:51] dacat1[7d]: w is slightly ahead I think...

Move 128

[11:53] Groin[2d]: A spirit full comment, thx GERLyde

[11:53] dacat1[7d]: that step ko is usually a trap

[11:53] dacat1[7d]: more trouble for w than its worth ^^

Move 129

[11:53] GERLyde[4d]: yeah I think so too

[11:53] dacat1[7d]: usually its more like w r5 is sente endgame xD

[11:54] Chinitsu[3d]: Why choose step-ko to live when you can kill O2 to live

Move 130

[11:55] Groin[2d]: To level down aji

Move 131

[11:56] dacat1[7d]: p6 is huge

[11:56] Groin[2d]: But ok black choice looks alright here

[11:56] Shinkenjoe[1d]: the hard thing about counting is the endgame privileges

[11:56] dacat1[7d]: much bigger than s12...

[11:56] dacat1[7d]: i guess b might be good here

[11:56] GERLyde[4d]: The winner of this game plays Manja?

[11:56] dacat1[7d]: think so

[11:56] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: yup

[11:57] GERLyde[4d]: exciting :)

Move 133

[11:58] martin97[4d]: Q14 is some points

[11:58] dacat1[7d]: b can safely play d19 in sente...

Move 134

[11:58] dacat1[7d]: Variation: theres nothing on the top, b alive

[11:59] dacat1[7d]: so e19 is actually super urgent

Move 135

[11:59] ThomSailor[11k]: margin of white is shrinking. Only 10 moku left

[12:00] Chinitsu[3d]: :o you mean before white was winning by a lot more than 10moku?

Move 136

[12:00] ThomSailor[11k]: yep around 20

[12:01] ThomSailor[11k]: now its 14 again ...

[12:01] dacat1[7d]: aha...

[12:01] pinel.loic[?]: W? I thinked i losed the game

Move 141

[12:05] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: i hope w doesnt lose on time >____>

[12:05] Coreon[3d]: I only see w like 3-4 points ahead

Move 145

[12:05] Coreon[3d]: but probably my endgame isnt on point

[12:05] derler[11k]: oh indeed. the clock is pretty harsh on white now.

Move 150

[12:07] Coreon[3d]: b15 should be kinda sente for b, since w isnt alive otherwise?

Move 156

[12:10] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: d19 before b16?

Move 157

[12:11] Shinkenjoe[1d]: was huge

Move 162

[12:15] Tuks[3d]: black is ahead isn't she?

[12:15] Shinkenjoe[1d]: i think so too, all others said white some moves before

[12:16] Shinkenjoe[1d]: and some kata said like 10 to 15 points for white

[12:16] CarloTibaldi[1d]: I think W is ahead

Move 163

[12:17] Chinitsu[3d]: I count b ahead now too

Move 164

[12:19] martin97[4d]: B is clearly winning, no?

Move 166

[12:21] Shinkenjoe[1d]: f14 surprised me

[12:21] CarloTibaldi[1d]: at least she think so :-)

[12:21] Ajibaba[?]: e10 is problematic

[12:22] martin97[4d]: R12 looks tempting

[12:23] godevil[4k]: Q12

Move 167

[12:24] derler[11k]: yeah r12 was clearly better

Move 172

[12:26] Chinitsu[3d]: L17

Move 178

[12:29] Chinitsu[3d]: hmmm L17 looks extremely tempting to me

Move 179

[12:29] claus67[4d]: maybe black f10 wasnt good. i preferred e13

[12:29] Chinitsu[3d]: ... at least a lot bigger than F18....

Move 183

[12:31] Shinkenjoe[1d]: why not a16

Move 184

[12:31] Shinkenjoe[1d]: or a17

Move 191

[12:32] Chinitsu[3d]: O16 before M16 should be better?

Move 198

[12:34] pinel.loic[?]: White win ? Black i'd no chance to win some point around E13 on the game ?

Move 199

[12:34] pinel.loic[?]: When he played around B8, it was not bigger tu take the colomn E around E13 ?

[12:35] Shinkenjoe[1d]: are you sure youre coordinates are right?

Move 200

[12:36] pinel.loic[?]: Yes, B9 turn 139,

[12:36] Chinitsu[3d]: not sure what you mean I see black winning

[12:36] pinel.loic[?]: Oh ok

Move 201

[12:36] pinel.loic[?]: If black win it's ok XD

[12:37] kusrabs[5k]: unfortunately Isabel looks like a winner...

Move 202

[12:38] N O V E M B E R[4d]: Unfortunately you have only 12k

[12:38] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: whats unfortunate about that? xD

[12:38] kusrabs[5k]: We secretly dreamed about Russian final

Move 203

[12:38] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: hahah

[12:38] derler[11k]: yeah. we will have germany vs russia in the final then. :-) that's fortunate tzo know for both countries. ;-)

[12:38] kusrabs[5k]: <error>, it makes your manners better?

[12:39] Chinitsu[3d]: Isabel02's account is only 16k N O V E M B E R :p

Move 206

[12:39] Chinitsu[3d]: Germany is very strong. I remember in 2012 I came to Hamburg to work for a yeah and played with some people

[12:39] Chinitsu[3d]: zero win...

[12:40] Chinitsu[3d]: two of the guys were even playing chess when I arrived...

[12:40] N O V E M B E R[4d]: She has few games)

[12:40] timuzhti[5d]: It says 21.2k for me

Move 207

[12:40] Shinkenjoe[1d]: such a sandbagger

Move 208

[12:41] Shinkenjoe[1d]: ^^

Move 211

[12:42] Chinitsu[3d]: oh

[12:42] Chinitsu[3d]: looks like a cut

[12:42] Chinitsu[3d]: ah no cut sorry

Move 218

[12:46] Chinitsu[3d]: great they are playing 1 point gote moves now...

[12:46] derler[11k]: :-D

[12:46] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: w feeling the time pressure ;___;

Move 221

[12:48] Chinitsu[3d]: Frischer is very timesuji-friendly

[12:48] N O V E M B E R[4d]: W mistake

Move 225

[12:49] Chinitsu[3d]: L10 was mistake imo, but black is winning anyway, mistake around this point is not enough to change result

Move 234

[12:52] N O V E M B E R[4d]: White could play t3

Move 237

[12:52] kusrabs[5k]: <error>, are you sure? It's not empty.

[12:53] derler[11k]: probably t13. as we just saw that move.

Move 238

[12:53] N O V E M B E R[4d]: No, t3 earlier

Move 252

[12:58] Daniug[3d]: b ahea by kind of 10?

[12:58] N O V E M B E R[4d]: 6

Move 260

[12:59] derler[11k]: blacks last moves kinda lost me.

[12:59] Chinitsu[3d]: mmm?

Move 271

[13:01] Chinitsu[3d]: there was nothing at S8 it seems

[13:01] Ajibaba[?]: there was

Move 274

[13:02] kernel_m0d3[8k]: is white a9 gonna take 1 point off black?

Move 275

[13:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[1d]: gg! awesome game isabel!

[13:02] timuzhti[5d]: No. Black doesn't have to connect.

[13:02] Chinitsu[3d]: Ah yeah S8 was viable

[13:02] isibboi[5k]: gg

[13:02] kusrabs[5k]: Хорошая игра.

[13:02] Isabel02[?]: thank you

[13:02] Ajibaba[?]: gg

[13:02] Chinitsu[3d]: gg

[13:03] derler[11k]: good game

[13:03] Shinkenjoe[1d]: tx

[13:04] robertmehl[15k]: gg

December 19, 2020

[10:22] HappyLook[8d]: Review: ##581450