Unranked
Rules: Japanese
Black wins by Resignation
Move 32
S_Alexander[2d]: Tesuji
Move 33
Zaphodian[?]: I don't see an alternative for W m16
Zaphodian[?]: Theoretically, W could play p14, I guess
Zaphodian[?]: Probably W is thinking about Q18
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Good fight
Hall 6_Dongjie[4k]: white gg liao
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Feasible for W
OndraKruml[?]: from my experience this usually end up good for white
Zaphodian[?]: So where do you think B went wrong then?
bobsof[1d]: Début très calme à date. 32 fascinant.
bobsof[1d]: Ça devrait barder bientôt. Inévitable.
Move 34
Sophonxe[4k]: Allez Ben0!
bobsof[1d]: Ouais. On supporte notre héros ben0
bobsof[1d]: Je trouve tout de même la position blanche favorable.
bobsof[1d]: Je me demande ce qu’en pense les joueurs forts.
Zaphodian[?]: Strong players read the various sequences and evaluate the results.
Swinky[?]: r13?
OndraKruml[?]: I d say tenuki when there is q10 stone mb. I said I think wturns out better but the difference is very slim
Zaphodian[?]: Maybe even at R12
bobsof[1d]: And your evaluation Z?
Zaphodian[?]: Hard to say because it also depends on your own style.
Zaphodian[?]: B can capture the corner if he wants to.
bobsof[1d]: True. And it’s black’s turn.
Zaphodian[?]: That will mean that W probably gets a lot of influence.
Swinky[?]: but white outside will be awsome
Zaphodian[?]: exactly
joris104[1k]: How big is M16 ?
Zaphodian[?]: So B may also want to force W to live while B makes life on the right side and gets to play M16.
Zaphodian[?]: M16 is very big and important but first defending with R12 or R13 is more urgent at this moment
Swinky[?]: big i guess but if black m16 white s16 leave and tatack black 3 stones
Zaphodian[?]: At least, B has to defend his stones around R15.
bobsof[1d]: I like ben0’s style. Dusan I don’t know.
Move 37
Zaphodian[?]: So this makes sense.
Move 39
bobsof[1d]: Wow. Quick answer from Dusan!
joris104[1k]: Wow, White didn't want to live in the corner ?
Zaphodian[?]: As I said before, it also depends on the styles of the players.
Swinky[?]: I guess if he have great outside + aji and sente it's great result, that was black enclosure
Zaphodian[?]: W can now play Q12 and block the center
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: questionable for W
bobsof[1d]: Three black corners
Zaphodian[?]: If B gets sente, he will get 4 corners :-)
bobsof[1d]: White taking time. Important next play.
joris104[1k]: You think he would C3 here ? Sounds greedy taking *all* corners
Move 40
Zaphodian[?]: Q13 now
bobsof[1d]: I would not say greedy. But needs careful evaluation as to follow-up
Swinky[?]: ugly shape . He wants to kill? only reason I see is destroying the eye
Zaphodian[?]: "Greedy"? How about the problem that if W makes a wall after B's invasion at C3, W's wall will not be efficient/effective?
bobsof[1d]: Q13 seems like 100% move.
Zaphodian[?]: So IF B gets sente and invades at C3, I predict W will play at D3, C4, C5, B5, and double hane with B6 to take back the corner.
joris104[1k]: Oh, I'd have never thought about giving the ponuki, particularly not on that side
Swinky[?]: and the ponuki looks odd with low stone everywhere for black so I prefer f3 over c3
Zaphodian[?]: If B plays M18 L18 N18, that means W could block off the center in sente. That would be too good for W.
Move 41
Zaphodian[?]: I think in today's go, my variation is more likely.
Move 42
Zaphodian[?]: I think W should play N18 O18 N16 O17 M18 S19 in sente.
Move 43
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: more forceful for W
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W's idea for not forcing immediately
Welvang[1p]: Ben0 with a nice fuseki, thats so rare
Welvang[1p]: only dusan can do itg
Zaphodian[?]: Instead of G17, B should have played N16 N15 N18
Move 44
bobsof[1d]: Welvang’s Fuseki not so bad. 🤨
Welvang[1p]: o15 feels like a mistake
Swinky[?]: I don't know g17 is so ddep if he run away with it he is in really good shape
Welvang[1p]: way too slow
Welvang[1p]: should have used aji on right
Swinky[?]: k17?
joris104[1k]: Is this one of those situations where you could play J16 ?
Zaphodian[?]: Hmm, k17 looks dangerous because it is heavy
Swinky[?]: maybe it's a dream :p white can atak both after k17
ronin3[1k]: G14?
ronin3[1k]: Sorry i meant h14
Zaphodian[?]: Maybe much lighter, e.g. G14
Zaphodian[?]: Or H13 or H14
joris104[1k]: Isn't it annoying if White gets a base with J17 ?
ronin3[1k]: No because W is looking to kill it all
Zaphodian[?]: OK, imagine that W has a wall with D16 and a wall around M16, would he want to 'beg' for a base?
Move 45
Zaphodian[?]: H14 looks nice
ronin3[1k]: Omg my move \o/
Move 46
Swinky[?]: wow so fast
Zaphodian[?]: H16 G16 G15 H15 J16 looks possible now
Move 47
joris104[1k]: Yeah, I suppose my dream of being able to force the group in M17 to also have to flee is a pipedream
Move 49
Zaphodian[?]: B has a simple plan. But W will just play G16, which is just as simple ;-)
bobsof[1d]: G16 would still be good for black.
bobsof[1d]: And not necessarily bad for white
Move 51
joris104[1k]: Oh, I didn't think he'd cut
bobsof[1d]: But I would then prefer B.
timuzhti[5d]: What else could the peep have been for?
Zaphodian[?]: W needs another move, e.g. F16 or F17 or H17
Move 52
Welvang[1p]: The most astonishing fact in this game is the absence of misspelling on Ben0's name
Move 53
bobsof[1d]: And now for the main event: hand to hand combat: fighting.
ronin3[1k]: Gote peep, a bluff :-)
joris104[1k]: Yeah I didn't realise White had to add *another* move on top first
joris104[1k]: I thought White could G12 after the cut
bobsof[1d]: Actually it’s Ben0. 😴
guest341[2d]: what is beno
bobsof[1d]: I mean BenO
roentgenium[3k]: It's like Ben10, but with fewer transformations
Welvang[1p]: Dušan Mitić
bobsof[1d]: ben0
ronin3[1k]: Why was f17 needed?
Zaphodian[?]: I think W could have exchanged G13 G14 before playing F17
joris104[1k]: Hey, ben0 is dan on OGS now :D :P
bobsof[1d]: Being corrected repeatedly! Grrr.
wimmoll[5k]: F17 was not neccesary?
Zaphodian[?]: F17 was necessary
Move 54
Zaphodian[?]: C11 looks slow
Move 55
Zaphodian[?]: Maybe better jumping at E10
joris104[1k]: Kick here ?
ronin3[1k]: Can anybody explain with a simple sequence why f17 was needed?
dlpigozzi[4k]: c8 now is life and miai
Welvang[1p]: these two players have a really slow game style
Welvang[1p]: they play thicc
Zaphodian[?]: Some people call it thick.
Zaphodian[?]: Yes.
ronin3[1k]: Then they attacc
Welvang[1p]: dusan gonna protecc
Welvang[1p]: c8
bobsof[1d]: Important game. They seem to be studying each other.
Welvang[1p]: he could go for double attack starting with c5 kick too
bobsof[1d]: Bon one wants to make a misstep
Welvang[1p]: would be much more fun to watch
Zaphodian[?]: Today I watched a game by Shin Jinseo vs. Shin Minjun. Jinseo played a very thick game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdfl8Z_ZwPE
bobsof[1d]: Like to cowboys waiting to see who will draw first. Who will make the first mistake.
dlpigozzi[4k]: if c5 is gonna be easier for black to reach G12, right?
Zaphodian[?]: C8 looks slow, no?
hypergeometric[5k]: doesn't black have a lot more territory than white ?
ronin3[1k]: Is d7 thinkable?
dlpigozzi[4k]: i like d7
bobsof[1d]: Looking at a long game. But is this thunder I hear in the background?
dlpigozzi[4k]: nice idea
Welvang[1p]: my feeling would be kick and fight, but black move first arround f10 is annoying
mcpudding_nl[6k]: i dont like d7
Welvang[1p]: somehow i wanna play f10 now
Welvang[1p]: ^^
timuzhti[5d]: Wow. Good think it's a fisher clock with how much time white is using here.
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, I like F10
mcpudding_nl[6k]: same here
mcpudding_nl[6k]: lets play f10 then
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i would just pincer c8 >___>
Welvang[1p]: question is, would you kick first
dlpigozzi[4k]: its gonna be c8
dlpigozzi[4k]: place your bets
Welvang[1p]: c8 is the best shape move and most reasonable answer
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Problem for W?
Welvang[1p]: but also boring
mcpudding_nl[6k]: well if i must bet i bet on the kick
dlpigozzi[4k]: boring and thick :P
Move 56
mcpudding_nl[6k]: ouch i lost
joris104[1k]: I'd be afraid that I don't have enough point as White if C8
ronin3[1k]: Chrorus: boooo
timuzhti[5d]: Katago liked F9 best locally.
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: woo we kinda called it ^^
Move 58
Welvang[1p]: then our feeling was correct
Zaphodian[?]: F9 made more sense, yes.
Move 62
dlpigozzi[4k]: f10 happened
Zaphodian[?]: F10 looks perfect now
Swinky[?]: now white get f10 !
dlpigozzi[4k]: we were no far
ronin3[1k]: Yay welvang's move
Welvang[1p]: i think i'd have taken corner and live with the center group
Welvang[1p]: instead of having to live with two groups
dlpigozzi[4k]: but c9 is a good threat?
Welvang[1p]: but e6 should be good too
Swinky[?]: ben0 without weak group isn't ben0
Welvang[1p]: actually ben0's style is to not leave any weak group
dlpigozzi[4k]: I dont like those square elbows, W D7 is painful
Welvang[1p]: but dusan played thicker
LingDao[2k]: such an honest sequence of moves! :-P like japanese go from the 70s...
Welvang[1p]: o15 is the thickest move in the universe
bobsof[1d]: I would have done C3. Don’t like 2 weak groups.
Welvang[1p]: also i still think it's not good xD
Move 63
dlpigozzi[4k]: ben is greedy
Move 65
Zaphodian[?]: Is it greedy? It looks sharp to me
hypergeometric[5k]: it's a good quality no when you play go ? :D
dlpigozzi[4k]: it is
bobsof[1d]: Ben trying to settle one group.
joris104[1k]: Ben's magic about to happen ?
dlpigozzi[4k]: we were thinking of c8 making it settle, but now....
Welvang[1p]: if we gets enought strength to play j11, it will be difficult to live in the center
Welvang[1p]: enough*
Move 66
dlpigozzi[4k]: at least we are getting the fun you asked tanguy
agofil[2k]: Next move ?
dlpigozzi[4k]: c9
dlpigozzi[4k]: is a small sente
agofil[2k]: B11 ?
Move 67
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: trouble for W
dlpigozzi[4k]: ok, ben is on fire
dlpigozzi[4k]: ben on fire
Move 70
Welvang[1p]: B13 should be better
Move 71
cyphis11[3k]: w+res?
Move 72
guest341[2d]: 50% chance
Father Tomato[4d]: A lot remains to be played before thinking about resignation
cyphis11[3k]: how does b answer d9?
cyphis11[3k]: oh nvm i get it
dlpigozzi[4k]: h9?
Move 75
Zaphodian[?]: E11 now?
bobsof[1d]: Do not forget: there is popcorn and beer for the main évent.
foulques[9k]: B9 ?
Zaphodian[?]: B9 C7 E11 is also possible?
KKkanbolat[7k]: Variation: 1
dlpigozzi[4k]: b9 seems the more reasonable but then b7 is a big threat
bobsof[1d]: Nice variation.
KKkanbolat[7k]: thanks
joris104[1k]: Isn't E11 double sente and important for Black's life ?
Move 77
nidza[?]: f9 h10 exchange looks great for w
bobsof[1d]: Wo! Quick response by benO
Move 78
bobsof[1d]: He had seen this variation.
dlpigozzi[4k]: Variation: may be this
KKkanbolat[7k]: Variation: 2
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hmm btu isnt white dead on the side?
dlpigozzi[4k]: it is
foulques[9k]: D9 or die
CarloTibaldi[1d]: W has no time :-(
KKkanbolat[7k]: Variation: 3
Puumanamana[3d]: no wayw dies, black has too many weaknesses
TomiP[2d]: upper left joseki is a double-gote joseki for black :D
KKkanbolat[7k]: Variation: 4
whatbaseball[2k]: Variation: 4b
Move 83
agofil[2k]: Ouahouuu
bobsof[1d]: Exiting the land of dreams.
sevenius.nilsen[9k]: Shouldn't w have played E9?
Move 84
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ohhhh
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: but w has a ton of points in lower left >____<
bobsof[1d]: Is this the answer to why C3 would have been better?
dlpigozzi[4k]: tenuki time
Puumanamana[3d]: I think I like w better. black's influence doesnt look too easy to use
dlpigozzi[4k]: h3
Groin[3d]: A freedom who turned to be expensive
Puumanamana[3d]: or actually I'm not sure ^^ black is very thick everywhere
bobsof[1d]: H3 or k3? Or r8?
whatbaseball[2k]: if black plays clever and can initiate a big fight somewhere, maybe
dlpigozzi[4k]: yep, black can use the clock
dlpigozzi[4k]: something that requires reasoning would help
Move 85
bobsof[1d]: Where would Welvang play?
Move 86
gojigs[4d]: is this move sente?
gojigs[4d]: uh
cyphis11[3k]: is this fischer time?
Puumanamana[3d]: haha, I hate people that play C19 moves at this stage of the game
Move 87
dlpigozzi[4k]: fischer 20 secs
Move 88
cyphis11[3k]: that w seemed like a fischer time move?
Move 89
cyphis11[3k]: except wasn't sente
Puumanamana[3d]: Oh, I forgot about the catpured stones
Move 97
dlpigozzi[4k]: h7 now
Move 100
bobsof[1d]: Wo! Slow down boys. This is not a game
Move 101
Welvang[1p]: someone just made a mistake
Move 102
cyphis11[3k]: yeah
foulques[9k]: why not O2 instead?
Move 103
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ohhh
Move 104
Welvang[1p]: to not give a ponnuki
dlpigozzi[4k]: ouch, corner lost
cyphis11[3k]: b can still fight on bottom tho
bobsof[1d]: To not give a ponnuki?
agofil[2k]: Maybe black aims the center ;-)
Move 107
whatbaseball[2k]: Variation: ponnuki?
cyphis11[3k]: yes baseball
Puumanamana[3d]: M2-N3 is so painful
bobsof[1d]: I see.
cyphis11[3k]: that shape is better for b
Welvang[1p]: b2 bomber is obviously better
Move 108
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: so b is now just tead?
guest341[2d]: no
cyphis11[3k]: bacn can get out
agofil[2k]: P6 ?
dlpigozzi[4k]: how?
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ahh right
Puumanamana[3d]: p5
Move 109
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: Variation: 5
cyphis11[3k]: you'll see
bobsof[1d]: B2? On the other side? Too much calvados W?
Puumanamana[3d]: haha, no b2-bomber is the name of black ulgy triangular shape
guest341[2d]: koba maybe without p5
Move 110
guest341[2d]: oh wow
cyphis11[3k]: uhh
bobsof[1d]: Oh. I see. Forget the calvados.
cyphis11[3k]: oh
Welvang[1p]: misclick?
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: w saying that b has only 1 eye there?
Welvang[1p]: must be misclick
guest341[2d]: what is calavados? is it sometying you spead on bread?
Move 111
cyphis11[3k]: can't play this way?
cyphis11[3k]: what happened?
bobsof[1d]: Something you drink.
Trevoke[8k]: calvados is the essence of France
Move 112
whatbaseball[2k]: apple based spirit, helps to digest heavy food
guest341[2d]: oh wait i was thinking of avocado
Welvang[1p]: thats really bad for white
Puumanamana[3d]: maybe also w got caught up by time and didnt think of a move fast enough
bobsof[1d]: Close!
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: i terms of points i guess that was good for w... but gote :-(
Move 115
cyphis11[3k]: seems not good for w either way
Welvang[1p]: white lost on points and on sente
cyphis11[3k]: ----^
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: even worse =(
Move 119
gojigs[4d]: i like white. just it seems that b controls the middle now
Welvang[1p]: to me feels like gg, but game is long and full of terror
guest341[2d]: lol
guest341[2d]: can we still say one of them is goat or did got ruin this as well
bobsof[1d]: Terror is good. For the spectator.
cyphis11[3k]: one does not simple call it gg
cyphis11[3k]: simply*
Move 120
guest341[2d]: hat's that spirit
Move 122
Piwh[3k]: so many weak things on the board
Welvang[1p]: why not cut...
Move 123
Welvang[1p]: they both played so weird the last 20 moves
guest341[2d]: i think they are tired
cyphis11[3k]: i think b is trying to alphago end game
guest341[2d]: it's hard to concentrate no a non blitz gam
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: s5 says: i won...
Move 124
jlt[1d]: W running out of time
Move 125
guest341[2d]: this is interestig snice unlike q1 b can still q1 in sente then wih t4 w is down to 2 ptsthere
Move 126
tymak[2d]: hello, is there any twich stream?
Move 127
guest341[2d]: yes there's a lot you can find them on twitch.com
guest341[2d]: there's evena go category there
Move 128
cyphis11[3k]: oh well lost interest now
guest341[2d]: cyphis is it too far by your count?
bobsof[1d]: No Twitch for this game tho.
guest341[2d]: should we start one
cyphis11[3k]: feels miseralbe for w
Move 132
cyphis11[3k]: cannot fix all the problems
Move 134
guest341[2d]: but btw it's much less laggy watching thegame here
Move 135
bobsof[1d]: Wow!
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: outch
cyphis11[3k]: getting too ugly
bobsof[1d]: Who expected this sequence?
cyphis11[3k]: it was the aim of m13
cyphis11[3k]: w ignored to reduce center
guest341[2d]: black did
TomiP[2d]: I thought black would've played N14 instead of straight cut
Puumanamana[3d]: don't think there is any
Move 136
cyphis11[3k]: so much oof
Move 137
bobsof[1d]: Yes ben0 would have.
Move 138
cyphis11[3k]: Variation: w meant to do this
cyphis11[3k]: after that s3 it was just so rough
Palko[2p]: ben0 winning big it seems?
foulques[9k]: G10 ?
cyphis11[3k]: bullying now
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: Dusan needs Palk-magic =)
Move 139
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: *Palko
Move 141
Palko[2p]: really hard to find any magic in this game
cyphis11[3k]: sso much oof
Move 142
bobsof[1d]: Speak of the devil!
Welvang[1p]: Variation: would have been at least better
Move 143
Welvang[1p]: Variation: or this fight
Palko[2p]: 6 instead of 4 Welvang?
Move 146
cyphis11[3k]: uhhhh
Move 148
cyphis11[3k]: oooooooh
cyphis11[3k]: my
Move 149
Palko[2p]: Variation: Black kills?
ConQuestGo[5d]: resign?
cyphis11[3k]: i think that's probably happening
Welvang[1p]: yeah i'm looking for tesujo
fightyoats[4d]: gg
Sophonxe[4k]: gg
Puumanamana[3d]: what's a tesujo?
bobsof[1d]: Well done.
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: gg
bobsof[1d]: À Tesuji is a person who plays a Tesuji.
bobsof[1d]: À Tesujo...
foulques[9k]: P13
foulques[9k]: no?
robertmehl[14k]: gg
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