Unranked
Rules: Japanese
Black wins by 9.5 points
Siasio[?]: Have a nice game!
Move 35
Zaphodian[?]: I think G16 was a little slow and B M17was a good defense.
Zaphodian[?]: The point of the exchange of S18 for T17 was to create aji. But after M17 all aji is gone and S18 becomes a huge loss (mochikomi).
Zaphodian[?]: So instead of G16, W should have played N17
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W's aim
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Now 1/2 is kikashi
Zaphodian[?]: still, now again W should play at L17
Move 36
Zaphodian[?]: good
Zaphodian[?]: against an attachment, the basic rule is to play hane.
Zaphodian[?]: So L18 and L16 are the primary candidates
Zaphodian[?]: Instead M18 is very passive and M16 would be mildly passive.
S_Alexander[2d]: who is winning?
Zaphodian[?]: It's about even, but B is up by a little
Shinkenjoe[1k]: all so low
Zaphodian[?]: Maybe 1-2 points for B because of W s18 mochikomi.
Zaphodian[?]: I expect an invasio at G4 or L3 at some stage.
ronin3[1k]: oh, a low game, look at those positions
Zaphodian[?]: Incidentally, S18 still has a little aji.
dondake[19k]: Why do I receive notification about this game ?
cyphis11[3k]: hm w plays all 3 line moves
bobsof[1d]: Hi fellow crazy go players
ronin3[1k]: it's evented, everybody does, dondake
SimeonG[3d]: would a move like j17 possible?
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Later... Marked stone has aji.
Zaphodian[?]: J17 is a huge overplay, I think
Move 37
Zaphodian[?]: But of course, it's possible
Zaphodian[?]: M16 is moderately passive
cyphis11[3k]: wants to take sente?
Zaphodian[?]: Now W has strengthened himself at the top and can exchange C14 B15
cyphis11[3k]: w c14?
Zaphodian[?]: c14 is the vital point of that shape
ronin3[1k]: what about e14?
dondake[19k]: ronin3: so this prize happened on OGS? I remember seeing similar games streamed on youtube and twitch.
cyphis11[3k]: dam zaph you know your joseki huh?
Move 38
Zaphodian[?]: No, I know shape
cyphis11[3k]: nice
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: c14 is pretty cool forcing move ^^
cyphis11[3k]: also big fuseki move very nice
Zaphodian[?]: So B can be passive with B15 or he can fight back with D14 C13 C16 or so
Zaphodian[?]: Or play C16 which takes away a lib and threatens to cut with F17 F18 E18 or G18
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W captures a few stones but W is strong now
Groin[3d]: C13 wouldn't have been a good move instead of C 13?
Groin[3d]: C14*
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, C13 would be good enough
Zaphodian[?]: It would be the 80% move, which will win you almost all games
Zaphodian[?]: But we mortals always wanna go for the 100% move and that gets us in trouble but also gives meaning to life itself.
Aobozu[3k]: lol
Zaphodian[?]: OMG, I didn;t mean to become emotional!
bobsof[1d]: No, but well said.
Zaphodian[?]: thx
cyphis11[3k]: existential
bobsof[1d]: I for one am wiping out a tear. 😉
Groin[3d]: C14 100%? I dunno, contact may help black
Move 39
Zaphodian[?]: ;-)
Zaphodian[?]: Sure, but W wants to probe and get sente
Zaphodian[?]: So w is debating whether he will draw back or play hane with B15
Zaphodian[?]: But a B stone at C16 invokes the Dia I made before
timuzhti[5d]: I don't think black can really be considered weak so helping black isn't as much of a concern.
Groin[3d]: And w waiting stones at bottom are 'ot that strong
Groin[3d]: Not*
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: scary stuff
bobsof[1d]: How about B14, c15, d13?
Zaphodian[?]: But meandering along deep abysses and unclimbable mountains is what Go is all about.
Groin[3d]: c13 B15 d13 looks natural
Zaphodian[?]: B14 takes all the aji out of the position
bobsof[1d]: Now I’m crying!
Zaphodian[?]: B will want to play B15 anyway, so why force him to play it?
Zaphodian[?]: sorry, @bobsof
bobsof[1d]: It’s ok. Cathartic.
Zaphodian[?]: For those who didn;t know, Go is like real life. But, fortunately, after death, you can just enjoy a new lease on life.
Move 42
FireFighter1107[1k]: Variation: I think this is good for white
Zaphodian[?]: So @Groin, can you see that W c13 is better then at B14?
bobsof[1d]: As I mentioned yesterday, refer to this ancient Go proverb: In a game of Go can be found the principles of this temporary life.
Zaphodian[?]: @Firefighter, Yes, far too good for W
timuzhti[5d]: Black wouldn't atari.
Zaphodian[?]: I like that, bobsof
bobsof[1d]: It’s ok to cry Z
Zaphodian[?]: lol
Aobozu[3k]: What is this? Therapy time ? :D
Zaphodian[?]: B may now try F17 F18 E18
FireFighter1107[1k]: Variation: I'm sorry, since I have not calculate this before
bobsof[1d]: Group therapy
bobsof[1d]: Let’s all join hands
bobsof[1d]: While the two protagonists are at each other’s throats
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: No harm done
timuzhti[5d]: Since W3@C13 means B B16 is sente white might as well just connect B14 a move early.
FireFighter1107[1k]: Variation: It is tough for white
timuzhti[5d]: Means white avoids empty triangle.
Move 43
timuzhti[5d]: Though personally I wouldn't bother connecting yet
Move 44
Groin[3d]: Ça se apply tewari here? I mean if you played C13 first would you play C14 next?
timuzhti[5d]: For your variation Firefighter, I would just ignore since capturing C13 is very small this early in the game.
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: heheh, b has total 6 stones which are not part of nobi ^^
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: fun
Zaphodian[?]: Hmmm, I think G14 is a slight overplay
Move 45
bobsof[1d]: This is a no I festival. Like it.
Groin[3d]: So F17 is a bit of threat now
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Marked stone useless
bobsof[1d]: Nobi
Zaphodian[?]: no, hane
Zaphodian[?]: E12 would be normal now
Move 46
bobsof[1d]: I meant correction: no I festival
bobsof[1d]: Nobi festival. I keep being corrected!
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hahahah
timuzhti[5d]: I don't think tewari is very appropriate because I don't think anyone would answer C13 with D14 either. So the question is if C14 cancles that out.
Move 47
Zaphodian[?]: aha, W is aware of the consequences lurking around his cutting points
Move 48
Zaphodian[?]: K14 J15 D10?
_nee_[1d]: Ktoś jest jeszcze "..odstawiony od blokowego c. żeby poreagować ..z mentalnością kibica ??
dlpigozzi[4k]: I like m14
dlpigozzi[4k]: for W
dlpigozzi[4k]: so D10 can be a good option
dlpigozzi[4k]: even e10
Zaphodian[?]: Inci-freaking-dentally, this game is played for this tournament: https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html
bobsof[1d]: Instead of D10, would something like D9 be possible?
Zaphodian[?]: e10 is slow
Zaphodian[?]: d9? W would play c9 100% of the time
bobsof[1d]: Actually I meant c 9
Zaphodian[?]: The fun of playing a move is to introduce a sense of uncertainty
Groin[3d]: What about b V8?
bobsof[1d]: Nicely said.
Zaphodian[?]: ahhh, c9 would be more interesting
Groin[3d]: C83
Move 51
Groin[3d]: Give me a desktop I hate that keyboard
Groin[3d]: C8?
bobsof[1d]: C8. Another interesting move.
bobsof[1d]: I like uncertainty
Zaphodian[?]: Exactly, so my job as a go player should be to make you feel uncertain.
Zaphodian[?]: That's the only way for me to discover what you are made of.
Zaphodian[?]: oooohhhhh
Move 52
bobsof[1d]: That’s when dopamine surges occur and render the game totally captivating.
cyphis11[3k]: sente not worth
Zaphodian[?]: G18 is bad, IMHO
Move 53
Zaphodian[?]: Now B gets sente
bobsof[1d]: C18 dares black to take gote
Zaphodian[?]: hahaha, no, the opposite
cyphis11[3k]: Variation: better for w
B2 Bomber[1d]: seems like W got tricked
cyphis11[3k]: w seemed to just misread
Zaphodian[?]: Yes
Zaphodian[?]: W didn't misread - he would lose 4 stones
ronin3[1k]: what was the sequence that W allegedly "misread"?
Groin[3d]: Tenuki, it's too bad here
Move 54
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: w sente
Move 55
cyphis11[3k]: ----^ w must have missed that
Move 60
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W didn;t misread, he misjudged
cyphis11[3k]: maybe
bobsof[1d]: Yes but what about whir d18, g18, capture and then black k18?
Move 61
Zaphodian[?]: interesting...
Move 62
neptix[5k]: in the w sente variation, black could also ignore c19 in favour of j/k18, then can respon to the capture with c18?
Zaphodian[?]: ouch, I didn't pay attention (eating apple-cake) and see what they throw at us next!
neptix[5k]: o18, p17, all of a sudden that aji matters again?
neptix[5k]: sorry, 016, not 18
Move 63
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: No bean counting
Groin[3d]: Not sure about w choice to have cut like this
NicelyManifest[1d]: Maybe targetting B L14 stones
Zaphodian[?]: Q12 would be normal next
bobsof[1d]: Even better.
ben0[4d]: n13 or nothing
bobsof[1d]: I mean the variation
Zaphodian[?]: That no bean counting variation would be good for W
Move 64
Zaphodian[?]: then nothing
ben0[4d]: yup
Move 65
ben0[4d]: I dont like this for w
Zaphodian[?]: now M13
Zaphodian[?]: Maybe I would cut now
Zaphodian[?]: Do you really want to run with N15?
cyphis11[3k]: tennuki is possible
Zaphodian[?]: No
Groin[3d]: I mean what's the plan here?
cyphis11[3k]: oih there's a ladder
Move 66
Zaphodian[?]: The plan: To frustrate the opponent
ben0[4d]: I smell push and cut
Groin[3d]: To dame the full Center?
Move 68
ben0[4d]: I smelt bad
ben0[4d]: but then I dont understand black
ben0[4d]: I dont understand anything
bobsof[1d]: You certainly understood yesterday’s game BenO
Groin[3d]: Lol me too
ben0[4d]: luck, bobsof, luck :)
cyphis11[3k]: r13 worth
bobsof[1d]: Humility will keep one great
Zaphodian[?]: Right, that was a good game, Ben!
ben0[4d]: thanks, Rob
humble_learner[2k]: Is black trying to set up Q7?
ben0[4d]: it's just too big if b dies like that in the center
Move 69
Zaphodian[?]: I don't think it will make Ben humble though. But then again, who wants a boring and humble Ben?
Move 67
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: heh, 8 stones for black which are not part of nobi ^
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ^___^
Move 69
ben0[4d]: not happening on my watch
Zaphodian[?]: lol
Zaphodian[?]: Of course< B is aiming at R13 S13 S14
Move 70
Zaphodian[?]: Can B cut now?
Move 71
ben0[4d]: I guess f15 is the plan
ben0[4d]: otherwise pushing makes no sense
Zaphodian[?]: really? I wasn't there yet...
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: but f15 doesnt do much? if b takes a lib, d17 is gone?
Move 72
Zaphodian[?]: J12 forces B to play on dame, no?
Zaphodian[?]: If W has a stone at F15, he can then connect at D18 in sente. So, potentially, that's huge.
ben0[4d]: Variation: I mean, not small to save the 3 stones in sente
ben0[4d]: but, M10 doesnt even protect m14 cut
Move 73
Zaphodian[?]: P9 looks so mundane
Zaphodian[?]: OK, Ben, we are on the same page now.
Zaphodian[?]: W has to defend the right somehow somewhere
Leptir[1k]: q10
Zaphodian[?]: Q10 or Q8
Move 74
Zaphodian[?]: Of course, B wants to attack W's center stones on a grand scale, e.g. by attaching at D7 or D10 ASAP
Move 76
NicelyManifest[1d]: Not nice shape
Move 77
Zaphodian[?]: Q8 in combi with Q10 looks slightly weird
Leptir[1k]: why not Q7 instead
Leptir[1k]: :S
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, maybe Q8 at P8
bobsof[1d]: A grand plan is appearing.
Zaphodian[?]: oops Q8 at Q7, of course
Move 78
Zaphodian[?]: Oh, yes, baby!
Zaphodian[?]: but what after B plays at Q14?
Move 79
Zaphodian[?]: M8 looks like an ear-reddening move
Move 80
shallowdream[1d]: Just curious, what's the level of B and W?
Move 82
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: b 7d, w 6d
bobsof[1d]: Black seems to have both a plan A and a plan B.
shallowdream[1d]: thx
Zaphodian[?]: No, they have about the same strength, I think
Move 83
Leptir[1k]: w 7d as well
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: yeah
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: w7d as well
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: right
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: white is former insei, he was close of passing pro qualification in japan few years ago
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: me bad
pancake[4d]: When my opponent is as calm as b is here, I'd start worrying.
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: b seems to feel comfortable
shallowdream[1d]: agree
shallowdream[1d]: b is doing well there
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: bottom seem shuuuuuuuuuuge
Zaphodian[?]: Siasio calm?
Zaphodian[?]: J8 now?
Move 84
Zaphodian[?]: W is even calmer
pancake[4d]: D7 seems interesting now. To finish the huge moyo.
bobsof[1d]: The calm before the storm.
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, that's a great idea
Zaphodian[?]: Q7 R7 and then D7, maybe?
Move 92
Zaphodian[?]: ah some serious forcing moves first
Move 95
Zaphodian[?]: nice call, pancake
CoolGamer[1k]: where's live translation?
MihajloAndjelic[3d]: Pain for white
pancake[4d]: And use D7 as a ko-threat. This guy is on another level.
Move 101
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, induvce if you can't produce
Move 104
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: b+40 :-)
Move 107
Zaphodian[?]: OMG, he is doing it again
pancake[4d]: It's painful if that edge full of holes just turns into territory like that.
Zaphodian[?]: absolutely, just 20-30 moves ago, W could invade at L3 or at G4...
JacquesGo[2k]: D6
Zaphodian[?]: W has to do something, e.g. J3 or M3 or H4 etc.
bobsof[1d]: Where would Z or Ben play now?
bobsof[1d]: As W.
Lyrial[1k]: katago says W+0.3
Zaphodian[?]: Maybe at H4 just to see what's going on
Move 108
bobsof[1d]: Yosu miru
dlpigozzi[4k]: that's not sente
Zaphodian[?]: wow, W has absolute confidence
Zaphodian[?]: G8 for B next and everything is territory
Zaphodian[?]: points galore
Zaphodian[?]: I am wondering about W P18 at some stage.
Daniug[3d]: why not sente reducing the moyo first?
dlpigozzi[4k]: O14 for B?
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, one would expect
dlpigozzi[4k]: B is not forced to answer
shallowdream[1d]: P18 and?
xxchemotoxx[?]: but actually w is not that much behind, no?
Lyrial[1k]: why is everyone acting like black is ahead?
Move 109
Lyrial[1k]: katago says even
Zaphodian[?]: because he is?
B2 Bomber[1d]: well reducing is quite difficult, B has thickness every direction
Mbrez[?]: well, black plays like he's ahead, white plays with the same confidence, so that should be some 0,5 game?
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: "katago says" "katago says"... i cant' hear it anymore
B2 Bomber[1d]: bot has mad sabaki skills
Gornador[?]: Maybe if he played Ben's variation.. Wait. Wait! He can cut??
Zaphodian[?]: It's also abut momentum. W was far ahead before B M8 and K8
ben0[4d]: It's time for white to cho chikun black territory
Move 110
Mbrez[?]: allez là
Zaphodian[?]: hahahah
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: rob still strong =)
ben0[4d]: Boom.
xxchemotoxx[?]: oh yeah
B2 Bomber[1d]: we got our answer :D
CoolGamer[1k]: why..
bobsof[1d]: Z’s P18!
Zaphodian[?]: well, there isn't anything really, but it causes confusion.
MihajloAndjelic[3d]: This is a probe, right?
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: I#d manage to kill b corner as b :-)
Zaphodian[?]: If you don;t know what to do, cause confusion.
CoolGamer[1k]: R18?
Zaphodian[?]: no
Zaphodian[?]: O18 probably
Gornador[?]: For time.. To count F15 better
Gornador[?]: I hope
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: ko for the corner
Move 111
Zaphodian[?]: woah
CoolGamer[1k]: easy
Move 115
Zaphodian[?]: OOOOO
CoolGamer[1k]: why...
Zaphodian[?]: cut in the center
CoolGamer[1k]: R15?
Move 116
Leptir[1k]: o.o
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: cut off the center
Move 119
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: Viktor Lin and Jan Simara started playing as well
Move 124
dlpigozzi[4k]: can u paste the link?
CheGuapara[13k]: How do you get to that game? Will it show up on home page when this one ends?
dlpigozzi[4k]: thx
CheGuapara[13k]: thx
Move 126
Zaphodian[?]: thx
Move 128
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: problemo
dacat1[7d]: hmmmm what's going on here
Move 129
Zaphodian[?]: I can't approve of R13 and getting S15cut off so easily
CoolGamer[1k]: b can give 2 stones or tenuki in this variation
Move 130
pancake[4d]: Nice variation.
Move 131
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: looks OK for W
mcpudding_nl[6k]: Today i replayed one of Go Seigen's games. Just amazing. Plays white, sacrifices around 15 stones and then wins by 20 pts or so
mcpudding_nl[6k]: without komi
Move 132
dacat1[7d]: look like black has a slight edge?
Gornador[?]: Finally!! :D
Gornador[?]: No.. W ahead
dacat1[7d]: ah if w kills something, yes he's ahead
Move 133
dacat1[7d]: but he's not killing something, not immediately anyway
Leptir[1k]: wdym, he is ahead now
Move 134
Leptir[1k]: :D
Move 135
Avtikh[2p]: b15 big
Move 137
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i assume its even until someone makes a screw-up ^^
CoolGamer[1k]: gote?
dacat1[7d]: you think they haven't already screwed up???
Gornador[?]: @Avtikh yes!
pdjordjevic[5k]: how big
Move 138
dacat1[7d]: hmmm in my mihnd its not so clear w is better
Move 139
Zaphodian[?]: Q18 is huge and P2 is big too
dacat1[7d]: assuming b survives the d15 issue unscathed its kinda close?
Move 141
dacat1[7d]: trying to kill instead of gettings goo endgame
dacat1[7d]: very suspicious....
pancake[4d]: I count B ahead in territory, but also in problems.
CoolGamer[1k]: D16 E15 E12?
Lyrial[1k]: no need to connect now
pancake[4d]: Black is not going to rescue the three stones.
Move 142
Zaphodian[?]: Why did W cut?
Move 143
dacat1[7d]: idk... losing points to maybe pressure black
dacat1[7d]: but i don't see it
Move 146
CoolGamer[1k]: lol
dacat1[7d]: f13 and black is all connected i think ?
Move 151
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, it's difficult to understand what other people think. Heck, I got enough trouble understanding myself.
dacat1[7d]: likewise
dlpigozzi[4k]: cut at E9?
Move 153
Yaka_Go[5d]: close game
Move 154
dacat1[7d]: but actually its easier to understand other players...
pancake[4d]: E9 would be the point to cut, but F10 spoils the fun.
Move 155
dacat1[7d]: you get to watch their go in birds eye view, in somewhat objective fashion
dacat1[7d]: analyzing the self accurately is even harder imo
CoolGamer[1k]: deep mind:D
dlpigozzi[4k]: I dont see two eyes in upper left if W plays R19
Move 157
dacat1[7d]: look better....
Joly[3d]: r19 s19
dlpigozzi[4k]: upper right*
Move 159
CoolGamer[1k]: why...
Move 160
CoolGamer[1k]: timesuji?
Move 164
Zaphodian[?]: oops
Zaphodian[?]: what???
Leptir[1k]: noooo
Zaphodian[?]: hmmm, I guess W just lost the game
Move 166
CoolGamer[1k]: miai
dacat1[7d]: oh no...
Move 167
Gornador[?]: Maybe :(
Zaphodian[?]: I am crying
dacat1[7d]: w getting cut
Move 168
dacat1[7d]: Variation: oof
B2 Bomber[1d]: nice shape
Move 170
dacat1[7d]: w getting cut.....
dacat1[7d]: they dont see
Move 172
Move 174
Gornador[?]: Hahahah
CoolGamer[1k]: okay
Zaphodian[?]: B can cut later
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: does w aim on p6 cut here?
Zaphodian[?]: with M12
dacat1[7d]: people miss the funniest things in byoyomi...
dacat1[7d]: happens to the best of us
Zaphodian[?]: yup
Lyrial[1k]: this is Fischer time
dacat1[7d]: *time pressure*
grp[4k]: cool
CoolGamer[1k]: there's miai for connection imo
Zaphodian[?]: M12 N12 M11where's your miai?
dacat1[7d]: Variation: miai...
Move 175
dacat1[7d]: for black to cut and kill
Move 176
Zaphodian[?]: so, the miai is for cutting
Move 179
Zaphodian[?]: woah
dacat1[7d]: b actually has two different ways
dacat1[7d]: Variation: also wor
dacat1[7d]: Variation: also works
Move 187
Whirly[1d]: what are the players colors?
Move 188
dlpigozzi[4k]: stanislaw black
Whirly[1d]: thanks
Move 189
dlpigozzi[4k]: nikola white
Move 196
bobsof[1d]: Close game.
Move 198
ronin3[1k]: is a stone missing at J15 ?
Zaphodian[?]: yes, a W one
Move 199
Zaphodian[?]: But B will do something about that
Move 200
Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: missing in terms of "should be there", yes but missing in terms of "played but not displayed"... no
Zaphodian[?]: exactement
Zaphodian[?]: C11 D11 B10 possible now?
tymak[2d]: hmm.. isnt C11 something?
grp[4k]: environ
Zaphodian[?]: Stan is reading that now
Move 206
Zaphodian[?]: hmm pretty horrible
ronin3[1k]: goofed?
Yaka_Go[5d]: looks like it could be a big win for stanislaw in the end
Zaphodian[?]: J15 finishes the game
Move 207
bobsof[1d]: White just lost a lot of points.
Move 210
Zaphodian[?]: N17?
Move 218
JackyyBanenaLii[?]: white lost
Move 273
nidza[?]: thanks
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: gg!
Zaphodian[?]: big difference in the end
CarloTibaldi[1d]: Has Viktor game started?
Siasio[?]: Thank you
Siasio[?]: it seems our skype call has finished half an hour ago
robertmehl[14k]: Gg
bobsof[1d]: Great game. Thx.
Siasio[?]: maybe one of us lost the internet connection for a moment:/
Zaphodian[?]: K13 was probably the losing move?
Praha[6d]: or e6?
Siasio[?]: maybe after M8 it was comfortable for Black but probably still close
Siasio[?]: Maybe Black got better when Black lived with the K14 L14 L15 group
Siasio[?]: apparently not
Zaphodian[?]: W was still OK when B played M8
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