Game Finished

Move 353

Lukan[13k]

81 points

DusanMitic[9k]

82.5 points

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

White wins by 1.5 points

Reviews

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Move 0

January 17, 2021

[9:09] Lukan[?]: have a nice game!

[9:09] DusanMitic[?]: enjoy

Move 2

[9:09] JN_T21[?]: Go Lukan!

Move 39

[9:25] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Top left - W should take the corner

Move 42

[9:26] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Top left - better shape

[9:27] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Lower left - W would never play A

[9:28] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Lower left - B takes the initiative

Move 45

[9:29] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: important forcing move

Move 49

[9:32] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Black can defend in the lower right OR take the initiative in the top left

[9:33] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: is a good point for defense

[9:35] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: simple plan for W and B

[9:39] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Invasion lower left is possible too

Move 50

[9:42] Zaphodian[?]: E2 is a slight threat to the corner, but it wil not die. So B will tke the initiative now.

Move 51

[9:45] Zaphodian[?]: One example if W tries to kill

[9:46] Zaphodian[?]: A5 is very safe

Move 52

[9:47] Zaphodian[?]: B2 looks like a dangerous move

Move 59

[9:48] Zaphodian[?]: exactly

[9:49] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: large capturing race

Move 62

[9:54] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Looks ok for B

Move 63

[9:57] Zaphodian[?]: The players can easily waste 20 minutes each on the lower left.

[9:57] Mbrez[?]: thank you for your interesting variations Rob

[9:59] Zaphodian[?]: sure

[10:00] Zaphodian[?]: B's idea is that if W ever throws in at A4, B can now defend with A7

[10:01] Zaphodian[?]: So if W goes back defending at C8 or so, B has already a piece of W's moyo.

[10:01] Zaphodian[?]: oops, *has already eaten*

Move 64

[10:05] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W's threat

[10:06] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Leads to a ko

[10:06] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: But B strikes back

[10:09] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W's plan

Move 65

[10:10] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: seki

Move 66

[10:11] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: bad ko for W

Move 67

[10:12] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Ko but B has many local ko threats

[10:14] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W slightly better

Move 69

[10:14] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W got tricked

Move 71

[10:15] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: some kind of ko

Move 73

[10:16] Zaphodian[?]: R15 is a huge loss

Move 74

[10:16] Zaphodian[?]: Maybe better at S13

Move 78

[10:18] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W 1 was better

[10:18] Zaphodian[?]: B has loads of local ko threats, so I don;t see how W can win it.

Move 87

[10:20] Zaphodian[?]: S16 strikes me as a really bad ko threat

Move 92

[10:21] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W 1 was better - in that case 7 is a ko threat, too

Move 101

[10:24] Zaphodian[?]: B has a infinite of local ko threats...

[10:25] Zaphodian[?]: It's bad to write and think at the same time - I forget to write words.... It should be "infinite number of"

Move 108

[10:29] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Danger in the top right

Move 109

[10:31] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: very complicated to read

[10:33] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: good for B

[10:34] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Order is important

[10:37] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Both live but B is winning by a lot

Move 112

[10:43] Zaphodian[?]: Whether it works or not W just had to play E10

Move 113

[10:45] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: variation after variation

Move 115

[10:46] dlpigozzi[4k]: hi zaphodian! someone else alive here

[10:46] dlpigozzi[4k]: not only variations

[10:46] Zaphodian[?]: Someone else being?

[10:48] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: another variation

[10:49] Zaphodian[?]: I think W J18 is an overplay, but it's gonna be difficult to punish

[10:50] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: hard to evaluate

[10:51] dlpigozzi[4k]: seems we will have a long fight here

[10:51] dlpigozzi[4k]: very close on liberty degrees

[10:52] dlpigozzi[4k]: G16 E11 can help the squeeze

[10:54] Zaphodian[?]: Any move can have detrimental effects 10 moves down the line

[10:54] Zaphodian[?]: So W desperately wants to play J18, but hmmm

Move 116

[10:59] Zaphodian[?]: K17 is creative...

[11:01] dlpigozzi[4k]: seems faster but now B has less headache to make two eyes on top

[11:01] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W's dream

[11:01] dlpigozzi[4k]: o17 is also in danger

Move 118

[11:05] Zaphodian[?]: small potatoes

Move 121

[11:07] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B escapes

Move 123

[11:11] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B mistake

[11:12] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B is far ahead

[11:12] Mbrez[?]: actually if white just plays e13 and gives up the stones he is..ahead????

Move 124

[11:13] Mbrez[?]: but that's definitely better

Move 130

[11:16] AndriiKravets[1p]: looks like clean kill with sacrifice f13 stone

[11:18] AndriiKravets[1p]: g15 is only move right now for b

Move 135

[11:19] Zaphodian[?]: woah

Move 139

[11:21] Zaphodian[?]: I didn't anticipate this one at all...

Move 149

[11:25] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Turmoil

Move 151

[11:27] dlpigozzi[4k]: can B save that?

[11:27] dlpigozzi[4k]: I dont think so

Move 152

[11:27] Mbrez[?]: uh

[11:27] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Indeed

Move 154

[11:28] Zaphodian[?]: oopsy daisy

Move 156

[11:29] AndriiKravets[1p]: its ko for seki

Move 157

[11:29] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: no no

[11:29] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Oh yes

[11:29] Mbrez[?]: maybe n14 now or something to fight back?

Move 158

[11:30] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: But no!

Move 160

[11:30] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Oh no!!!

[11:30] MihajloAndjelic[3d]: :)

Move 161

[11:30] Zaphodian[?]: Therefore B can only start this ko

Move 163

[11:31] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B A was really sente

Move 167

[11:32] Mbrez[?]: playing this ko looks like a bad idea

Move 169

[11:32] Zaphodian[?]: O15 is a horrible ko threat, losing points

[11:32] Mbrez[?]: yeah and black still has some

[11:33] ben0[4d]: o15 is fine

Move 170

[11:33] ben0[4d]: gives more ko threat

[11:33] Mbrez[?]: does it?

[11:33] ben0[4d]: w will capture the whole center

[11:33] AndriiKravets[1p]: maybe beter to skip o15 and play n14

Move 171

[11:33] Zaphodian[?]: M17 would be better at M18

[11:33] ben0[4d]: wow and still potential seki

[11:33] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, N14 immediately would be better

[11:34] ben0[4d]: dusan *\o/*

[11:34] AndriiKravets[1p]: after w made blunder there :)

Move 172

[11:34] ben0[4d]: ah, I was expecting atari

[11:34] AndriiKravets[1p]: there was no need at j18 just another chance

[11:34] Zaphodian[?]: atari would be way more manly

Move 173

[11:35] ben0[4d]: not manly, just feels better

[11:35] Mbrez[?]: tengen $*!% tengen

Move 174

[11:35] Zaphodian[?]: same thing sometimes ;-)

[11:35] Mbrez[?]: pff

[11:35] ben0[4d]: thanks Rob for allowing me to use this : Ok, boomer.

Move 176

[11:36] Zaphodian[?]: hahaha, OK, I was being provocative and you grabbed it

[11:36] ben0[4d]: :)

Move 177

[11:36] Zaphodian[?]: It's actually a word I never ever use

Move 178

[11:37] ben0[4d]: so that would be nice if Dusan actually kills something in this game

Move 180

[11:37] Zaphodian[?]: P12 seems more important than N10, no?

[11:38] Zaphodian[?]: Unless W can actually kill

[11:38] ben0[4d]: if b p12 then w just n12 I guess

[11:38] ben0[4d]: should be fine

Move 183

[11:38] Mbrez[?]: olala

Move 184

[11:38] ben0[4d]: you see, perfectly timed :D

Move 186

[11:39] Mbrez[?]: :(

Move 188

[11:39] Zaphodian[?]: really?

[11:39] Mbrez[?]: that hurts

Move 189

[11:39] Zaphodian[?]: B is connected now

Move 190

[11:39] Mbrez[?]: and can even attack the L9 stones iiik

Move 193

[11:40] Zaphodian[?]: K9 is clean now

Move 196

[11:41] Zaphodian[?]: M4 looks honte-ish

Move 197

[11:41] Zaphodian[?]: But W is way ahead

Move 202

[11:41] Lazar1[?]: Review: ##598333

[11:41] Mbrez[?]: it's close no ?

[11:42] Mbrez[?]: not sure how many points will be left on the right side for white

Move 204

[11:42] Zaphodian[?]: T5 S6 Q5

Move 205

[11:43] ben0[4d]: Q7 time

Move 206

[11:43] ben0[4d]: Pffff

Move 207

[11:43] ben0[4d]: It's like white counted he is ahead

Move 208

[11:43] ben0[4d]: Not fun

Move 210

[11:43] Zaphodian[?]: Yeah, we know your tricks (actually, I thought of it myself, but rejected it because W is simply ahead

Move 212

[11:44] ben0[4d]: Yup

[11:44] Zaphodian[?]: J3 might have been better at K2 immediately, though

[11:44] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: is white really ahead?

[11:44] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, but more than the komi

Move 217

[11:46] Whirly[1d]: seems to me he is only ahead by komi

[11:46] dlpigozzi[4k]: with top left as seki?

[11:46] Whirly[1d]: it is seki

Move 218

[11:47] dlpigozzi[4k]: W is ahead in that case

[11:47] dlpigozzi[4k]: 10p give or take

[11:47] Zaphodian[?]: J4 K5 K7 was possible too

Move 219

[11:47] Zaphodian[?]: But W takes no risks... B J4 is very big though

[11:48] ben0[4d]: h9 was a bit slow

Move 220

[11:48] ben0[4d]: really 0 risk from dusan

Move 229

[11:49] ben0[4d]: but yeah looks hard to mess up

[11:49] ben0[4d]: oh $*!% I didnt see the captures

[11:49] ben0[4d]: hmmmmm

[11:49] dlpigozzi[4k]: 04 area is becoming a lot of cash for B

[11:49] Zaphodian[?]: T6 T4 and M7 or L7

[11:49] ben0[4d]: it's getting very close then

[11:50] ben0[4d]: if there is a losing move, has to be h9 then

[11:50] Zaphodian[?]: 20?

Move 230

[11:51] ben0[4d]: ah this move is annoying actually

Move 233

[11:52] Zaphodian[?]: H9 at G9 would have been safer still

Move 236

[11:52] ben0[4d]: f9 is sente for b

[11:52] Zaphodian[?]: yes

Move 244

[11:55] Zaphodian[?]: R10 easy-peasy now

Move 245

[11:56] AndriiKravets[1p]: r 10 and t13 are kind of miai

Move 252

[11:57] Zaphodian[?]: It seems that Dusan's scare-tactics with E2 turned out very well.

Move 256

[11:59] Zaphodian[?]: there is your miai

Move 263

[12:00] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: good enough

Move 284

[12:04] Zaphodian[?]: A9 is quite large btw

Move 305

[12:09] dlpigozzi[4k]: l4

[12:10] AndriiKravets[1p]: l4 is not sente

[12:10] Zaphodian[?]: M7 is probably best

[12:11] AndriiKravets[1p]: l13 first

[12:11] AndriiKravets[1p]: i dont see any ko-threads dor b also

[12:12] dlpigozzi[4k]: l13 is the best

[12:12] Zaphodian[?]: Dusan is taking a toilet-break I guess

[12:12] dlpigozzi[4k]: hahaha

[12:13] AndriiKravets[1p]: or just counting

[12:13] Zaphodian[?]: That's the power of Fischer time

[12:13] dlpigozzi[4k]: not another hour please

[12:13] ben0[4d]: spending half the fight with 20s left and the byo yomi with 10min? yeah, awesome :D

[12:13] ben0[4d]: the yose with 10min*

Move 311

[12:16] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, I love Fischer time

Move 315

[12:16] ben0[4d]: I actually do as well

[12:17] AndriiKravets[1p]: w is winning ko

[12:17] ben0[4d]: Im happy most of the important euro tourneys switched to it in the recent years

[12:17] AndriiKravets[1p]: q7 additional ko-thread

Move 317

[12:18] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: q7

[12:19] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, I think Fischer time is the fairest way of byoyomi

Move 318

[12:20] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W lost a few points in the endgame

Move 319

[12:20] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i've always loved fischer over byo-yomi, at least you can control the clock more

Move 321

[12:20] AndriiKravets[1p]: n8 is solid loss

[12:20] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: being on last-byo causes huge timepressure, and there's nothing to do about it :/

Move 324

[12:22] ben0[4d]: big endgame fail my god

Move 325

[12:23] Zaphodian[?]: I think W will still win by 0.5 points

[12:23] AndriiKravets[1p]: feels like still w will win by 0.5

Move 334

[12:24] Zaphodian[?]: This is not Chinese counting is it?

Move 336

[12:24] AndriiKravets[1p]: no

[12:24] TeXitoi[5k]: japanese

Move 337

[12:24] Zaphodian[?]: because otherwise...

Move 338

[12:25] TeXitoi[5k]: w has to take the stone in the seki at the end with japanese?

[12:25] Zaphodian[?]: yes, he doe

[12:25] Zaphodian[?]: does

Move 343

[12:26] Zaphodian[?]: tricky

Move 347

[12:26] dlpigozzi[4k]: 0.5 indeed

Move 348

[12:26] dlpigozzi[4k]: wow

Move 350

[12:26] ben0[4d]: so in chinese, connecting at e19 would be one more point for b?

Move 353

[12:27] Zaphodian[?]: yes

[12:27] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: gg!

[12:27] dlpigozzi[4k]: 1.5 beacuse of e19

[12:27] Lukan[?]: thanks for the game

[12:27] ben0[4d]: Congrats Dusan!

[12:28] Zaphodian[?]: Congratulations

[12:28] Zaphodian[?]: Very exciting game

[12:29] TeXitoi[5k]: ben0: e19 is one point in chinese/AGA/french rules, yes

[12:30] Zaphodian[?]: What France got bought up by the Chinese?

[12:30] Zaphodian[?]: or by the US?

[12:31] TeXitoi[5k]: french rules are basically aga: chinese with japanese counting (giving a stone while passing, and the game ending after white turn

[12:35] Zaphodian[?]: ??? But Japanese counting means nu territory in a seki.

[12:36] TeXitoi[5k]: with territory in seki, by japanese counting, I mean in practice, you count prisonners and territory

[12:36] TeXitoi[5k]: that's the same result as chinese area scoring

[12:37] TeXitoi[5k]: It allows to use the simplest chinese rules while not changing the way the players are used to count by hand

[12:40] TeXitoi[5k]: senseis: AGARules

[12:41] B2 Bomber[1d]: what a game...

[17:10] Daniug[3d]: Review: ##598530