Game Finished

[13:21] Trevoke[7k]: bartosz - largely the question is whether the opponent agrees it's sente or not. Sometimes people find the network's moves, but not in the order the network would prefer

[13:21] bobsof[2d]: Intensity scale rather high. No time for mistakes

[13:22] hypergeometric[5k]: can white do L3

[13:22] Zaphodian[?]: I think neither will risk everything - no need at this stage

[13:23] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: shown before

[13:23] Celebrir[2d]: What about L5 instead of M4 ?

[13:24] armin999[2d]: Variation: like this?

Move 70

[13:24] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: still complicated

[13:25] Chad Thunderredacted[1k]: difficult to understand why he did this

[13:25] Chad Thunderredacted[1k]: he knows black will get a good result there and so saves his group elsewhere?

[13:26] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Idea to make A or B sente

Move 71

[13:30] kukulis[4d]: black seems to be in danger

[13:31] timhunt[1k]: Does not really make them sente. After W plays both P6 and R6, black can still connect along the edge if necessary.

Move 72

[13:32] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: fight back

[13:33] Zaphodian[?]: B can never afford to give up Q5 and Q6 - that would lose the game

[13:33] kukulis[4d]: Variation: not sure if this is true

Move 74

[13:34] kukulis[4d]: anyway protecting from playing black at P5, allows white to play L3

[13:34] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: death

Move 77

[13:36] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Good enough for B

[13:37] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: refocus

[13:39] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W is too insistent

[13:40] Zaphodian[?]: As a bystander, it's much easier to refocus. Because you have no skin in the game.

Move 79

[13:40] Trevoke[7k]: And yet... :P

[13:40] Zaphodian[?]: But for the players, it is very difficult.

[13:40] kukulis[4d]: focus pocus ;)

[13:40] bobsof[2d]: So true.

[13:41] Zaphodian[?]: It's easy for me to comment. If I get something wrong, I am not the one to lose.

[13:41] Zaphodian[?]: K11 looks good now

[13:42] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: different style

[13:43] Keskelebô[4k]: is b alive locally?

[13:43] Zaphodian[?]: So how do you get out of this rut? How can you refocus?

[13:43] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, B is alive

[13:44] Zaphodian[?]: I think you can learn how to refocus by always trying to think of at least 1 or 2 alternative moves or strategies.

[13:44] hypergeometric[5k]: there is still a weakness around D8.I think

[13:45] Zaphodian[?]: It's an exercises in creativity and in lateral thinking.

[13:45] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, D8 is a weakness, but if B tries to exploit it, the aji in the corner disappears.

Move 80

[13:45] Trevoke[7k]: If you're able to keep track of the various contests on the board, and reprioritize them as areas get resolved or as other areas impact the value of a given spot...

[13:46] hypergeometric[5k]: I meant black can possibly use it to live with the D10 group

[13:46] Zaphodian[?]: That sounds all very beautiful in theory, but in practice, even top pros have difficulty doing that.

[13:46] Trevoke[7k]: I'm not saying it's easy

[13:46] Zaphodian[?]: d10 group is not in danger

Move 84

[13:47] Zaphodian[?]: I think it's practically impossible.

[13:47] Trevoke[7k]: I've been replaying Dosaku games - and I try to remain aware that, while I can put down the stones in thirty minutes, sometimes those games took hours or days, and there was plenty of time to find the next best move

[13:48] timhunt[1k]: G15: is G14 better?

[13:48] timuzhti[6d]: If you

[13:48] timuzhti[6d]: oops

[13:48] timuzhti[6d]: If you can do that you've basically solved go.

[13:48] timuzhti[6d]: (Assuming your values are accurate)

[13:48] Trevoke[7k]: Well.. as long as your evaluation is as exactly correct as a computer's, then I suppose so

[13:49] Zaphodian[?]: Just saying, even the top pros can't do that.

Move 85

[13:49] Zaphodian[?]: So how's the game territory-wise?

[13:50] Zaphodian[?]: I think B may activate the cut at D8

[13:50] hypergeometric[5k]: what if W C8 now

[13:50] Zaphodian[?]: that's a no-no

Move 86

[13:50] Zaphodian[?]: E6 would be better

[13:51] Zaphodian[?]: hahaha

[13:51] hypergeometric[5k]: :D

[13:51] kukulis[4d]: black J5 is in danger again

[13:51] Trevoke[7k]: I don't know - when you look at a pro game and you see that the winning percentage remains relatively even for a hundred moves, tenuki after tenuki, it makes you think they are evaluating the entire board's position regularly, and fairly well.

[13:52] kukulis[4d]: Trevoke: you are right

[13:52] kukulis[4d]: they constantly count points

[13:52] ronin3[1k]: maybe it will cut first then make an eye with G2 or sumthin

[13:52] Rocco[1d]: how strong are these lads?

[13:53] kukulis[4d]: there is aji with M3 stone

[13:53] dlpigozzi[4k]: 7d stasnislaw 6d anton

[13:53] Rocco[1d]: thanks

[13:53] kukulis[4d]: may be black K2 now ?

Move 87

[13:53] Valerii K[?]: Both 7d

Move 90

[13:54] dlpigozzi[4k]: i took the data from the official page of the tournament

[13:54] kukulis[4d]: lets see how black makes two eyes here

[13:54] dlpigozzi[4k]: maybe anton has reached 7d

[13:54] Rocco[1d]: k2?

[13:54] kukulis[4d]: yeah

[13:54] Zaphodian[?]: I don't think they constantly count at all.

[13:55] kukulis[4d]: but there is another way with L5

[13:55] kukulis[4d]: I mean other way to use M3 aji

Move 91

[13:55] dlpigozzi[4k]: A simple way of counting is thinking what is bigger

[13:55] timuzhti[6d]: kata says L2 threatens capture.

[13:55] timuzhti[6d]: So white has to connect M4

[13:55] Rocco[1d]: $*!%

[13:55] timuzhti[6d]: Which makes an eye.

[13:55] Rocco[1d]: nice

Move 92

[13:56] Zaphodian[?]: I think they locally evaluate exchanges

[13:56] kukulis[4d]: black N2

[13:56] death_taxes[1k]: to be precise 2673 Stan, 2625 Anton

[13:56] dacat1[7d]: hello there

[13:56] Zaphodian[?]: Hello kitten

Move 93

[13:56] dlpigozzi[4k]: hey oscar

[13:56] The Treeman[3k]: white wins if he makes no mistake

[13:56] dacat1[7d]: b seems to have a nice position? all the groups are basically settled and b has the cash lead

[13:56] death_taxes[1k]: and 2579 Oscar :p

[13:56] dlpigozzi[4k]: your game is still commented on the cloud

[13:56] dacat1[7d]: c3 is happening later?

[13:57] Zaphodian[?]: N2 is better at M2, I think.

[13:57] dacat1[7d]: yeah my rating leaves something to be desired

[13:57] death_taxes[1k]: nah, i'm just informing people about the ratings of those 2

Move 94

[13:57] bobsof[2d]: Some pretty sharp moves are being played.

[13:57] Zaphodian[?]: Your rating is the sum of your entire life, dacat. I am the painful reminder of that.

[13:57] Rocco[1d]: R17 when?

[13:57] Rocco[1d]: :P

[13:57] death_taxes[1k]: also i hate the "they are both 7d" nonsense

[13:58] dlpigozzi[4k]: hahaha

[13:58] dlpigozzi[4k]: u were diplomatic till now

[13:58] Zaphodian[?]: Yeah, people do that a lot these days: they lie with facts.

Move 95

[13:58] 509511[16k]: whut?

Move 96

[13:59] Random Person[19k]: ???

[13:59] Trevoke[7k]: I lie the old-fashioned way: I make up $*!%

Move 97

[13:59] Zaphodian[?]: N2 should have been at O2, I'll say it again.

[13:59] Keskelebô[4k]: factual lying

[13:59] dacat1[7d]: nice

[13:59] 509511[16k]: ????????

Move 98

[13:59] death_taxes[1k]: interesting game thoug

[13:59] Zaphodian[?]: M8 cut first, think later!

[13:59] 509511[16k]: im not old

[13:59] death_taxes[1k]: how b created 2 weak groups at the same time

[14:00] Zaphodian[?]: Eventually, you'll learn, 509511

[14:00] kukulis[4d]: white must attack H13 to catch up in the game somehow

[14:00] 509511[16k]: my name is not 509511

Move 99

[14:00] Zaphodian[?]: W already gained a lot in the lower left

[14:00] dlpigozzi[4k]: by creating a weak group in between

[14:01] Jolly River[5k]: how is that OGS estimator is so bad? :O

[14:01] kukulis[4d]: ok 509511 but you are from China?

[14:01] death_taxes[1k]: this game gives an internet vibe of the short "i see you're building something, let me invade it"

[14:01] Zaphodian[?]: It isn't?

[14:01] bartosz[?]: H1 is -7 according to kata :O

[14:01] 509511[16k]: whut?

Move 100

[14:01] death_taxes[1k]: like classic kgs game

[14:01] timuzhti[6d]: It's supposed to be bad.

[14:01] kukulis[4d]: I think for europeans its hard to give a name which is a number

[14:01] timuzhti[6d]: If it's good then it's just an AI.

Move 101

[14:01] Rocco[1d]: K2??

[14:02] Rocco[1d]: Serving what purpose

Move 102

[14:02] 509511[16k]: ???

[14:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: jolly river, too good score estimator would be close of being "ai assistant"

[14:02] 509511[16k]: im a girl

Move 103

[14:02] Zaphodian[?]: -7 points?

[14:02] bartosz[?]: yes

Move 104

[14:02] dacat1[7d]: stanislaw is torturing this group more than expected

[14:02] Rocco[1d]: Don't understand this exchange

[14:02] dacat1[7d]: ouch

[14:02] bartosz[?]: now white +8

[14:02] 509511[16k]: ?

[14:02] dacat1[7d]: yeah w definitely better...

[14:02] Zaphodian[?]: I wouldn't know, but it seems wrong because of this sente sequence by W

[14:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ohh stan is winning now?

[14:03] Rocco[1d]: just because of the outside squeeze?

[14:03] kukulis[4d]: black must play G6 now

[14:03] dacat1[7d]: just because black is dying locally.... can't connect m2

[14:03] dacat1[7d]: i missed that

[14:03] kukulis[4d]: O L5

[14:03] 509511[16k]: ummm??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Move 105

[14:03] timuzhti[6d]: Black was +7 for 54 to 74

[14:04] bobsof[2d]: ‘?´ you missed one.

Move 106

[14:04] fightyoats[4d]: lmao

[14:04] dlpigozzi[4k]: +7d

[14:04] David_Turman[10k]: But there is soooo much in the upper right quarter. Perhaps black can get many points there.

Move 110

[14:04] Zaphodian[?]: OMG

[14:05] kukulis[4d]: not enough if K7 died

[14:05] 509511[16k]: ok

[14:05] kukulis[4d]: I mean white will play first at Top right for sure

[14:05] xhu98[8d]: "young man has a lot of energy" - Jeff

[14:05] 509511[16k]: ?????

Move 111

[14:05] dacat1[7d]: jeff on anton?

[14:05] Rocco[1d]: So where did black misplay?

[14:05] dacat1[7d]: btw hello @xhu98 :)

[14:05] Rocco[1d]: H1?

Move 112

[14:06] Zaphodian[?]: Jeff on every young guy

[14:06] xhu98[8d]: think the original quote was on siasio

[14:06] Rocco[1d]: N2?

[14:06] xhu98[8d]: Hi @dacat1 :)

Move 113

[14:06] 509511[16k]: blak is wiwns

Move 114

[14:06] Zaphodian[?]: How much pain can you take?

[14:06] 509511[16k]: umm?

Move 116

[14:06] dacat1[7d]: makes more sense on siasio

Move 119

[14:07] xhu98[8d]: also nice to see you @Zaphodian

[14:07] Zaphodian[?]: I think we got a lot of quotes on Oscar after yesterday's game

Move 120

[14:07] Zaphodian[?]: Hallo, hallo

[14:07] dlpigozzi[4k]: hahaha

[14:07] death_taxes[1k]: i only saw it after it finished

[14:07] dlpigozzi[4k]: M8 M8 M8 M8

Move 121

[14:07] Zaphodian[?]: Oh, hi Stephen.

[14:07] Keskelebô[4k]: yeah m8 seems scary now

[14:07] dlpigozzi[4k]: ouch

[14:07] death_taxes[1k]: 130.5-134 is a bit unsual

[14:07] kukulis[4d]: I think white took a wrong strategy here

[14:08] kukulis[4d]: wrong dirrection

[14:08] Zaphodian[?]: It's a pity that B used a move in his own territory at K7 now

[14:08] kukulis[4d]: black will live in sente now, and play O17 first

[14:09] 509511[16k]: how

[14:09] kukulis[4d]: K7 is not a black's territory

[14:09] Zaphodian[?]: If you are an optimist it is

[14:09] kukulis[4d]: ok :)

[14:09] kusrabs[5k]: well. Looks like black has no chances today.

[14:09] kukulis[4d]: looks like disaster for white

[14:10] rasatsu[1d]: always nice to be called an optimist

[14:10] rasatsu[1d]: especially by pessimists

[14:10] 509511[16k]: whutttt

[14:10] Zaphodian[?]: It isn't over until the fat lady sings. Just ask Oscar. I think he politely asked her to go somewhere else when she was about to sing a few times.

Move 124

[14:11] kusrabs[5k]: Давай, Антон, держись до конца!

[14:11] rasatsu[1d]: some lady sang, and she was rather skinny

[14:11] Zaphodian[?]: N10 is a nice move. He can be proud of himself finding that move in his own game.

[14:12] Rocco[1d]: Oh, I see black has clock issues.

Move 125

[14:13] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W sacs on a small scale

[14:14] death_taxes[1k]: where is 7?

Move 126

[14:14] dlpigozzi[4k]: J8

[14:14] dlpigozzi[4k]: otherwise no sac

Move 128

[14:14] kukulis[4d]: Variation: white with a running group?

Move 131

[14:15] kukulis[4d]: I mean, this is correct that white didn't pull that central group

[14:15] dlpigozzi[4k]: white gave up the middle?

[14:15] kukulis[4d]: yup

[14:15] Rocco[1d]: yup

Move 133

[14:15] bartosz[?]: kata says 50/50

[14:16] dlpigozzi[4k]: J5 dragon was alive?

[14:16] Rocco[1d]: yup

Move 134

[14:16] dlpigozzi[4k]: ok then

[14:16] kukulis[4d]: was not before K7 move

[14:16] 美国唐杰[3d]: Hmm

[14:16] Rocco[1d]: how do you kill without K7?

[14:16] Rocco[1d]: K6 for white?

[14:17] death_taxes[1k]: was w ahead before he decided to sac the center?

[14:17] David_Turman[10k]: Errr ... I don't understand that move. (S16)

[14:17] OndraKruml[?]: this move looks nice

[14:17] death_taxes[1k]: somehow i don't like this result for w

Move 135

[14:17] kukulis[4d]: Variation: lik this

Move 137

[14:17] The Treeman[3k]: White should have play 10M for move 126

[14:17] Rocco[1d]: ah thanks

[14:18] death_taxes[1k]: thx

[14:18] hypergeometric[5k]: isn't M11 super super huge for black ?

Move 140

[14:19] The Treeman[3k]: these are already dead

[14:19] The Treeman[3k]: no need for M 11

[14:19] dlpigozzi[4k]: m11 overplayed

[14:19] kukulis[4d]: this is funny how passively black played at top right corner

Move 141

[14:19] dlpigozzi[4k]: C3?

[14:20] The Treeman[3k]: 白棋下了不少缓手

Move 142

[14:20] death_taxes[1k]: probably it's too late for c3

[14:20] kukulis[4d]: I think P18 was a mistake

[14:20] kukulis[4d]: Variation: P18 was mistake

[14:20] Zaphodian[?]: M18 should be at N18, I guess

[14:20] The Treeman[3k]: 这个中间和上方的转换明显是亏的

Move 143

[14:21] death_taxes[1k]: anyone with AI? who's ahead?

[14:21] Zaphodian[?]: t18 now

[14:21] dlpigozzi[4k]: Q8 for W

[14:21] The Treeman[3k]: I guess white will resign soon

[14:22] kusrabs[5k]: I cry aloud... After A.D. lost the same now with Anton.

[14:22] Anthe[4k]: white is leading

[14:22] OndraKruml[?]: can w block after m19?

[14:22] Anthe[4k]: close but leading

[14:22] kusrabs[5k]: But it's only AI thoughts. I still hope Anton do same as in last game.

[14:22] JanGret[11k]: Okay, so White will either resign or is leading

[14:22] Evan is my name[5k]: Yeah, funny how much disagreement there is about the game status XD

[14:23] death_taxes[1k]: trust the ddks

Move 144

[14:23] Anthe[4k]: its a constant up and down for both

[14:23] The Treeman[3k]: left bottoom corner is still invadable

Move 145

[14:23] Evan is my name[5k]: Yeah. What exactly is the aji there? Life in ko? Life?

[14:24] OndraKruml[?]: Variation: 19

Move 148

[14:24] OndraKruml[?]: isnt it something?

[14:24] kukulis[4d]: its hard to invade bottom left, because white F1 is sente

Move 150

[14:24] Mardipaev[4d]: it is not

Move 151

[14:25] Zaphodian[?]: looks like fresh aji

Move 153

[14:25] kukulis[4d]: Mardipaev: ok, you know better :)

[14:25] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: no deal

[14:25] JanGret[11k]: I think black is quite happy about R6

[14:26] OndraKruml[?]: ah right, yeah thx

[14:26] dlpigozzi[4k]: W preparing cut at M11?

[14:26] dacat1[7d]: @zaphodian starting to sound like Jeff :D

Move 154

[14:27] The Treeman[3k]: The end game is in favor of white, black to need be mroe aggresive

[14:27] Zaphodian[?]: Is that good?

Move 157

[14:27] Zaphodian[?]: oops

Move 162

[14:29] Zaphodian[?]: How many miles ahead?

[14:29] bartosz[?]: 4.5

[14:29] The Treeman[3k]: 可能最后会是半目胜负

Move 163

[14:30] Anthe[4k]: 2 ... nothing

Move 168

[14:31] emil.danielsen[15k]: Can black kill m7?

Move 169

[14:31] Zaphodian[?]: must be much more

Move 171

[14:31] bartosz[?]: now kata says 5.5

Move 172

[14:31] Anthe[4k]: io dont understand it i just can tell what the machine says

[14:31] Zaphodian[?]: still possible to upset

Move 173

[14:32] dfvgbhnjk[?]: white lead by around komi as i counted

Move 175

[14:33] The Treeman[3k]: 6O

[14:33] The Treeman[3k]: O6

Move 176

[14:33] Whirly[1d]: ha

[14:33] Whirly[1d]: didn't think he would back down

[14:34] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: last big point?

[14:34] Whirly[1d]: the ko looks to heavy for black

[14:34] Whirly[1d]: too

[14:35] Celebrir[2d]: I guess W doesn't need it and doesn't want to take the risk

Move 177

[14:36] Zaphodian[?]: about 70 for B and 68 plus komi... hmmm

Move 178

[14:36] Zaphodian[?]: W has about 75

[14:36] Anthe[4k]: it says w+8

[14:37] Zaphodian[?]: Could be. Because W gets B9 or F18

Move 179

[14:37] Zaphodian[?]: F7 was slightly bigger I think

Move 182

[14:38] Mardipaev[4d]: isn't b11 better than b10 for white?

Move 183

[14:38] Whirly[1d]: ah i get e2...

[14:38] The Treeman[3k]: O6 是先手吧

[14:39] Whirly[1d]: it just doesn't matter

[14:39] Whirly[1d]: black can't push again

[14:39] The Treeman[3k]: there is a cutting point

[14:39] The Treeman[3k]: black is doing good end game

[14:39] The Treeman[3k]: he need to be aggresive

Move 185

[14:41] Zaphodian[?]: N9 looks passive though

[14:41] ilguru[3k]: isn't it sente , allowing black to cut in O12 now?

Move 187

[14:42] The Treeman[3k]: O6 next

[14:42] The Treeman[3k]: quite big

[14:42] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: for starters

[14:42] The Treeman[3k]: about like3 points?

[14:42] Mardipaev[4d]: I like how P5 is sente for white

Move 188

[14:42] bartosz[?]: white's advantage is shrinking

[14:42] Neutrozer[?]: POG

Move 192

[14:43] The Treeman[3k]: ?

[14:44] Keskelebô[4k]: o6 then n1?

[14:44] The Treeman[3k]: he missed that point

[14:44] fightyoats[4d]: gg

[14:44] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ohh gg

[14:44] death_taxes[1k]: another lag?

[14:44] The Treeman[3k]: O6 is too big and it might be 先手

[14:44] Siasio[?]: Thank you

[14:45] dacat1[7d]: congrats siasio ^^

[14:46] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, Congrats, Stan.

[14:47] Gacek[6k]: Gratulacje!

[16:00] robertmehl[14k]: gg