Game Finished

Move 339

Welvang[1p]

122 points

Palko[2p]

128.5 points

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

White wins by 6.5 points

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Move 0

January 19, 2021

[17:02] Welvang[1p]: have a nice game

Move 1

[17:03] Palko[2p]: have a nice game

Move 11

[17:09] ronin3[1k]: i love the elephant jump joseki! \o/

Move 12

[17:10] ronin3[1k]: more square jumps :D

[17:10] ronin3[1k]: 5 bucks say next move is E16

[17:10] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: palko again with his double san-san opening ^^

Move 13

[17:11] ronin3[1k]: aww, just lost 5 bucks :(

[17:11] death_taxes[1k]: what do you mean again?

[17:11] herb2077[4k]: hhh

[17:11] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: he has been playin this opening a lot

[17:11] death_taxes[1k]: he's been playing that non stop for the last 2 months or so

[17:11] death_taxes[1k]: maybe more

[17:11] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: dual 3-3's

[17:12] death_taxes[1k]: let's see if he will go for influence again

[17:12] ronin3[1k]: now that i see it i like more D15 than E16

[17:12] ronin3[1k]: makes miai of D14 and F16

Move 19

[17:19] tekken8[1d]: this is an odd joseki

Move 22

[17:20] Sylvain[1d]: https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html

[17:20] dlpigozzi[4k]: so... if tanguy wins is triple draw and tomorrow tie-breaks?

[17:21] dlpigozzi[4k]: this is by far the strongest group

[17:22] dlpigozzi[4k]: a pity that only two continue

Move 29

[17:24] dlpigozzi[4k]: Variation: f17 necessary?

[17:25] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: wesh

Move 35

[17:28] ronin3[1k]: Variation: dlpigozzi, i believe W blocks like this

Move 36

[17:29] dlpigozzi[4k]: sure is pal-ko!

[17:29] ronin3[1k]: ^^

[17:29] ronin3[1k]: also f17 was sente against the corner

Move 37

[17:30] noahdeu9412[4k]: f17 is also defend his own cutting point

[17:30] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: i'm not sure W inasion at the corner was good, lookd too soon and greedy

Move 41

[17:31] dlpigozzi[4k]: I hate this two stone stairs

[17:32] dlpigozzi[4k]: K12 looked already good for me

[17:32] AndéolEvain[2d]: Well, it leaves room for future complications on both sides.

Move 46

[17:34] Shinkenjoe[1d]: +1 for consistency

[17:34] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: oh jeez

[17:34] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: this looks weird xd

[17:34] AndéolEvain[2d]: P11 mandatory now

[17:34] Kamakiri[1k]: I really was expecting a C-D 7-8 now

[17:34] dlpigozzi[4k]: pavol creating a new style of go

[17:34] tekken8[1d]: it actually looks better for white

[17:34] dlpigozzi[4k]: san-san, cut asap, complicate things

[17:34] AndéolEvain[2d]: Does it? I'd rather play as black here.

[17:35] dlpigozzi[4k]: I would definitely chose black

[17:35] filip.diloom[2d]: making good use of that wall will be really tricky

[17:36] hypergeometric[5k]: that will be fun to watch I'm sure

[17:36] Hirata[2d]: Review: ##599758

[17:36] noahdeu9412[4k]: black should not stuck in to this fight, at least use the D11

[17:36] ronin3[1k]: 12-13th line territory would be cool though :D

[17:36] filip.diloom[2d]: but Pavol is among thee best in europe at attacking so...

[17:36] dlpigozzi[4k]: B has 3 peeps

[17:36] Shinkenjoe[1d]: making the stair big makes cutting it less important

[17:36] dlpigozzi[4k]: a cutting at E14

[17:36] Shinkenjoe[1d]: as both cut off sides will live

[17:36] AndéolEvain[2d]: @dlpigozzi : general rule of thumb, don't peep when you can cut.

[17:37] B2 Bomber[1d]: white's shape xd

[17:37] Kamakiri[1k]: C8 looks really good

[17:37] Kamakiri[1k]: Did anyone check with Kata?

Move 47

[17:37] hypergeometric[5k]: for black ?

[17:37] Kamakiri[1k]: Yeah

[17:37] AndéolEvain[2d]: woah, ok, both really want to fight.

[17:37] dlpigozzi[4k]: kata would explode with variations

[17:38] tekken8[1d]: black has to cut now

[17:38] PanKure[6k]: no, p12 would have been fine

[17:38] ronin3[1k]: would be fun if G14 group dies now

[17:39] dlpigozzi[4k]: good rule andeol

[17:39] AndéolEvain[2d]: Nah, don't worry about it. At this level, this kind of group can suffer, but not die.

[17:39] allanhardy6[?]: hi

[17:39] Куть[6k]: according Leela, B should extends in P12 instead, K12 was around -30% winrate move

[17:40] death_taxes[1k]: 3-3 and influence

[17:40] death_taxes[1k]: called it

[17:40] FremchGuy[5k]: is there a twtch review?

[17:40] AndéolEvain[2d]: Well, they are still arguign to decide if it's influence or just a weak group.

[17:40] noahdeu9412[4k]: black inside has no problem to live, so it has to cut before white get too strong

[17:40] filip.diloom[2d]: and K12 made it even? or was it een before?

[17:40] dlpigozzi[4k]: Variation: this for?

[17:41] ronin3[1k]: giving atari be bad, though

[17:41] filip.diloom[2d]: w will try and get P12 first

[17:42] Kamakiri[1k]: It is now almost 50-50

Move 48

[17:42] dlpigozzi[4k]: something is preparing

[17:42] Kamakiri[1k]: Black was winning by %80 before

[17:42] tekken8[1d]: white has either p12 or a weak black group in the center

[17:42] tekken8[1d]: $*!%

Move 49

[17:43] AndéolEvain[2d]: P13 ? To keep all the stones working by pair.

Move 50

[17:43] ronin3[1k]: this game is engrossing

Move 52

[17:44] ronin3[1k]: see? no atari

[17:45] Kamakiri[1k]: Variation: Leela variation

[17:45] ronin3[1k]: hahaha

[17:45] dlpigozzi[4k]: p13 to avoid more pairs :P

[17:45] filip.diloom[2d]: P13 Q13

[17:45] B2 Bomber[1d]: the game is already too complicated to make sense

[17:46] theorist[1d]: Cut then think, think and cut again

[17:47] bobsof[2d]: Where is Z when we need him?

[17:47] B2 Bomber[1d]: white had nice ladder breaker at Q16

[17:47] filip.diloom[2d]: W has almost all the relevent ladders

[17:47] AndéolEvain[2d]: Ben0 would love to kibtiz that one

[17:47] filip.diloom[2d]: from the wall I mean

[17:49] OGA937[2k]: B is better here?

[17:49] noahdeu9412[4k]: Review: ##599764

[17:49] Kamakiri[1k]: Equal

[17:49] AndéolEvain[2d]: @OGA937 : unclear.

[17:49] B2 Bomber[1d]: getting the corner would make black overconcentrated on top

[17:49] tekken8[1d]: Variation: how about this

[17:50] OGA937[2k]: What kata says?

[17:50] Kamakiri[1k]: %30 white, %70 black says leela and it means equal in the human world

[17:50] Perrylight[3k]: Review: ##599766

Move 53

[17:50] OGA937[2k]: Thanks Kamakiri

[17:50] death_taxes[1k]: so, b has around 35 points and w has 6+2 corners most likely+a wall

[17:50] ronin3[1k]: B settling for 5th line territory :(

[17:51] Kamakiri[1k]: No problem OGA, I wish I had access to a strong pc to check on Kata too :(

[17:51] filip.diloom[2d]: noB is getting a 50 point conner and soe extra on the side

[17:51] B2 Bomber[1d]: kata 40b says B+2.5

[17:51] death_taxes[1k]: now, with P11 it might be more than 35

[17:52] death_taxes[1k]: might -> most definitely

[17:52] tekken8[1d]: k11 now

[17:52] filip.diloom[2d]: well there is still aji in the coner

[17:52] death_taxes[1k]: i love K11, but does w has the time to play it?

Move 54

[17:53] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: Variation: nah, why stop the strategy now

[17:53] FremchGuy[5k]: its funny this chain of two stones really feels like my 15k games

Move 55

[17:53] Kamakiri[1k]: Variation: %29 for white with M10 according to Leela

[17:54] ronin3[1k]: haha :) but seriously, H12 and M10 show some style - high-level defense

[17:54] AndéolEvain[2d]: Ok, done replaying the game in katago. Black 72%, with 4 points lead.

[17:54] B2 Bomber[1d]: now white must invade or attack D11 and make large profit with the moyo

[17:54] FremchGuy[5k]: yes of course they are not 15k lol😂

[17:54] death_taxes[1k]: 30% is meaningless for a human

Move 56

[17:54] Kamakiri[1k]: Yeah that's currect

[17:55] AndéolEvain[2d]: Definitely not meaningless, no. It can be catched up, but it's a decent lead.

[17:55] dlpigozzi[4k]: koba, is not a joke your variation

[17:55] ronin3[1k]: hoomanz always have a blunder factor :(

[17:55] death_taxes[1k]: nah, have you seen past games in this tournament?

[17:55] TeleGo[?]: Q12 very aggro

[17:55] Kamakiri[1k]: I think it depends on the stage of the game. A fighting game? It's gonna be really %99 to %1 in a single move

[17:55] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: Variation: white to make 200 point corner ^__^

[17:55] lagolden[?]: 4 points is not a decent lead, it's an even game

[17:55] death_taxes[1k]: how many times the winner came back from a 10+ point deficit

[17:55] filip.diloom[2d]: yeah not even certain between to different 'ais at this stage of the game...

Move 57

[17:55] death_taxes[1k]: that's something like 95% chance to lose

[17:56] filip.diloom[2d]: S16?

[17:56] dlpigozzi[4k]: just tenuki tanguy to reduce the 200p corner

[17:56] ronin3[1k]: i'd R11 first

[17:56] AndéolEvain[2d]: yep, S16 is nice

[17:57] death_taxes[1k]: to back up my statement, just check Pavol's last game

[17:57] death_taxes[1k]: game 30140390

[17:57] Kamakiri[1k]: AI suggests both S16, Q16 and R17

Move 58

[17:57] AndéolEvain[2d]: You don't back up claims on statistics with anecdotal evidences.

Move 59

[17:57] ronin3[1k]: \o/

[17:57] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: pavol and tanguy always have crazy game

[17:57] death_taxes[1k]: Palko blew a 26 point lead

[17:58] FremchGuy[5k]: you can say watever you want on european pros but these games are fun to watch

[17:58] death_taxes[1k]: !

[17:58] dlpigozzi[4k]: may be pavol realized that is just better to do san-san and play yose directly

[17:58] filip.diloom[2d]: not a fan of R10

[17:58] death_taxes[1k]: 97% chance to win

[17:58] Kamakiri[1k]: Yeah I really think the same Fremch Guy

[17:58] death_taxes[1k]: ...

[17:58] tekken8[1d]: white can live here

[17:58] umut1496[15k]: hey what is 1p and 2p I know only kyu and dan

[17:58] emmacsisco[?]: professional

[17:58] AndéolEvain[2d]: Those are professional ranks.

[17:58] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: in july, they played 400 and 350 move long games in a row at the euroleague

[17:58] ronin3[1k]: they passed professional exam, and now are on a league of their own, umut

[17:58] FremchGuy[5k]: its professional dan , better than 9d

[17:59] filip.diloom[2d]: yeah but in a sad crampt way that reduces the value of his wall

[17:59] umut1496[15k]: oh ok thx

[17:59] B2 Bomber[1d]: there is no such thing as 9d in eurogo

[17:59] B2 Bomber[1d]: only 9p

[17:59] ronin3[1k]: eurogo sounds like eurovision

[17:59] filip.diloom[2d]: oh mean that I don't like R11, R10 is fine

[18:00] Shinkenjoe[1d]: which brings us full circle back to mike patton

[18:00] dlpigozzi[4k]: working pairs, next move is S11

[18:00] estrange[5d]: black is flagged

[18:00] AndéolEvain[2d]: flagged? What's that?

[18:01] filip.diloom[2d]: So the AIs agreed that R11 was bad?

[18:01] ronin3[1k]: maybe broke some rule

[18:01] B2 Bomber[1d]: palko seems to be playing his favourite style

[18:01] estrange[5d]: black flag

[18:01] B2 Bomber[1d]: messy fighting/reading

[18:01] TeleGo[?]: R11 means palko put himself under pressure to do something on the right, but looks hard to live comfortably

[18:01] FremchGuy[5k]: i believe in tanguy

[18:01] FremchGuy[5k]: and if tanguy wins we will have blitz

[18:02] dlpigozzi[4k]: I would love the blitz tomorrow, maybe palko is just forcing it

Move 60

[18:02] QianyuCyprus[5d]: the power is huge,but the strategy is poor.

[18:03] AndéolEvain[2d]: I didn't consider S12, and now that I see it, it feels like the only move.

[18:03] filip.diloom[2d]: Din't Lukas loose pro qulifier game to tanguy by building a big wall?

[18:04] Shinkenjoe[1d]: r13 good peep?

[18:05] AndéolEvain[2d]: I'd play it, but don't trust me.

[18:05] TeleGo[?]: Variation: white will be able to live

[18:05] AndéolEvain[2d]: ok, katago plays the peep as well, so yes :p

[18:05] dlpigozzi[4k]: is good, problem is to live afterwards with those 3 stones

[18:06] pdjordjevic[6k]: eh, its just three stones

[18:06] noahdeu9412[5k]: Variation: 201

[18:06] AndéolEvain[2d]: It's cutting stones. Black probably doesn't want to sacrifice them. Not really any reason to, here.

[18:06] noahdeu9412[5k]: i m not sure, why black play this....

Move 62

[18:07] dlpigozzi[4k]: Variation: not clear to me

[18:07] FremchGuy[5k]: connect?

[18:08] Kamakiri[1k]: It is now %80 for black

[18:08] dlpigozzi[4k]: may be S10

[18:08] Shinkenjoe[1d]: p9 shape move i'd guess

[18:08] TeleGo[?]: tiger's mouth most likely here to keep s10 under some control

[18:08] ronin3[1k]: p9 is insta-life for W

[18:08] AndéolEvain[2d]: P9 is good shape, but doesn't seem very severe on white's weak group.

[18:08] Shinkenjoe[1d]: and insta shape for black

[18:09] orcrist[6k]: S10

[18:09] filip.diloom[2d]: no but a strong ish group in the middle would counter much of the wall

[18:09] AndéolEvain[2d]: I don't think S10 works. White cuts at Q10 and black explodes.

[18:09] Yezurof[2d]: Just arrived. Why are 90% on the move on the same third of the board ? ^^

[18:09] ronin3[1k]: hehe ^^

[18:09] emmacsisco[?]: why indeed

[18:09] ronin3[1k]: is one of those sector-line games

[18:09] dlpigozzi[4k]: san-san can not be touched yesurof

[18:10] Trevoke[7k]: And the double 3-3 means it's harder for W to rely on these initial stones for structure/shape when B eventually does... uh .. "invade" ?

[18:10] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: palko making a big box with those 3-3 stones

[18:10] ronin3[1k]: murderous 3-3 stones they are

[18:10] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: jk kinda

[18:10] bodziu[1k]: to me it looks like white is in big trouble

[18:10] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: yeah this "dual 3-3's and larger than life wall" does confuse the heck out of me >___>

[18:11] AndéolEvain[2d]: I don't see white dying in any way, but still difficult position, yes.

[18:11] ronin3[1k]: 5 bucks say B will spend 5-10 minutes on this move

[18:11] filip.diloom[2d]: W O10 and make a 2 stone wall of his own?

[18:11] bodziu[1k]: i mean, i cannot see value of 30-40 points in whites wall in the middle

[18:11] Shinkenjoe[1d]: Variation: maybe still

[18:12] JeansebL[5d]: hmm, no one is covering this on twitch?

Move 64

[18:12] ronin3[1k]: oof

[18:12] shinuito[1d]: I feel like I’ve had games like this, hane push, hane push into the middle of the board :)

[18:12] death_taxes[1k]: hm

[18:13] filip.diloom[2d]: they like too give it sometime before they go live... otherwise they catch up too quickly

[18:13] AndéolEvain[2d]: Variation: Variation : Black goes berserk and goes all-in on the kill

[18:14] filip.diloom[2d]: R14 captures in that variation

[18:14] shinuito[1d]: It’ll be interesting to see how W makes points from the middle stones

Move 65

[18:14] AndéolEvain[2d]: Captures one stone, yes. But does it make life ?

[18:14] tekken8[1d]: woah

[18:15] Trevoke[7k]: I was gonna say that W would play at K7 and say "come at me bro" but B didn't wait

[18:15] Kamakiri[1k]: %40 drop o.O

[18:15] ronin3[1k]: as i suspected, B wants to lean and then try to do soething against M10 group

[18:15] Kamakiri[1k]: But still %50-%50

[18:15] AndéolEvain[2d]: Yep. Katago hates Q4. Too slack for the bots tastes.

[18:15] Sh0gi Is Better[?]: what happened to that fight on the middle? O.O

[18:15] Yezurof[2d]: what AI are you using ? I got a drop from 65% to 40% with katago

Move 66

[18:16] Kamakiri[1k]: I'm using Leela from free Zbaduk website

[18:16] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: probably the ai has a 100% Kill... but no human has..

[18:16] AndéolEvain[2d]: I am using katago (with a rather strong GPU).

[18:16] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: personally i like w

[18:16] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: especially after r9 =)

[18:17] bodziu[1k]: cannot understand this Q4 either:p

[18:17] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: q4 aims for influence. but what is it worth with a w wall like n11 l12 in the center?

Move 67

[18:17] tekken8[1d]: black should follow up after q4

Move 68

[18:17] Trevoke[7k]: Probably decided that there were too few points to make against the wall

[18:17] shinuito[1d]: If I knew what to do with W I might be happy. I think B got ~50 points maybe? I know the board is still very open though

[18:18] AndéolEvain[2d]: A bit less than 50 for black. Could be closer to 40, depending on variations around S16 later.

[18:18] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: i have b like 40 :)

[18:18] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: but i suck at counting

[18:19] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: right, Andeol

[18:19] bobsof[2d]: You can count this?.

[18:19] JeansebL[5d]: Playing on the left side is getting huge... looking forward to see who will get it, but probably white...

Move 69

[18:19] whatbaseball[2k]: what a crazy game

[18:20] lukas.kramer.739[4d]: Review: ##599791

[18:20] Trevoke[7k]: Does r5 mean "your wall is too far to help you" ?

[18:20] stevenmichaelbird[11k]: with that corner added in???

[18:21] tekken8[1d]: wall is way too far

[18:21] whatbaseball[2k]: tanguy responding to palkos 3-3 style

Move 70

[18:21] JeansebL[5d]: lol

[18:21] JeansebL[5d]: nice

[18:21] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: q5 says: i'm f**** strong :-)

[18:21] AndéolEvain[2d]: Those guys just got out of a big fight, and immediately agree to start another one.

[18:22] tekken8[1d]: build another wall i guess

[18:22] Trevoke[7k]: I mean ... given the rest of W on the board, q5 kinda felt like the only move

[18:22] Trevoke[7k]: I don't see W going "oh yeah you're right I'll just hane" here

[18:23] dlpigozzi[4k]: seems tanguy was expecting the lower one S5

[18:23] Shinkenjoe[1d]: classic 13x13 cut

[18:23] dlpigozzi[4k]: and that means palko is getting the clock in a very complicated follow-up

Move 72

[18:24] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: seems like they are continuing with the same shapes ^^

Move 78

[18:25] AndéolEvain[2d]: locally, that's dead. Are we heading to a liberty race?

[18:25] dlpigozzi[4k]: Variation: obvious death

[18:26] AndéolEvain[2d]: yep, white is dead, but black has two weak groups to surround, with not that many liberties.

[18:26] Trevoke[7k]: Variation: is B setting up a trade? triangle group for triangle group? seems dangerous

[18:26] tekken8[1d]: white has a ton of forcing moves outside now

[18:26] dlpigozzi[4k]: 6mins for the twitch

[18:26] dlpigozzi[4k]: https://www.twitch.tv/jenainternationalgoschool

[18:26] death_taxes[1k]: your sequence dlpi is funny

[18:27] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: 202

[18:27] AndéolEvain[2d]: Black could be extremely happy if white went that way

[18:27] tekken8[1d]: q11 group is already alive

[18:27] whatbaseball[2k]: the game would have never looked like that, If they did not know each other that well

[18:27] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: 203

[18:27] tekken8[1d]: wait q12

Move 81

[18:28] dlpigozzi[4k]: :D

[18:28] AndéolEvain[2d]: Alternative strategy for white : just let black take 10 minutes to read out the full sequence here, and then win thanks to byo-yomi.

Move 82

[18:28] dlpigozzi[4k]: seems ok for the pros :P

[18:28] tekken8[1d]: obviously whites playing for the center

[18:28] Trevoke[7k]: Palko found a ko, he's happy now

[18:28] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: 204

[18:28] AndéolEvain[2d]: But is it a ko? Can black play T1 now ?

Move 84

[18:29] Trevoke[7k]: Well, THAT is a ko, for sure

[18:29] Trevoke[7k]: (... Is it? it is, right?)

[18:29] tekken8[1d]: its not a ko if both black groups live

[18:29] death_taxes[1k]: nah

[18:29] death_taxes[1k]: it's not

[18:29] Trevoke[7k]: Damnit

[18:29] AndéolEvain[2d]: No

Move 85

[18:29] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: 205

[18:30] Trevoke[7k]: Ah, I looked at the wrong trade, it was p11 for p5?

[18:30] JeansebL[5d]: this is looking highly suspicious by white XD

[18:30] tekken8[1d]: o3 now

[18:30] AndéolEvain[2d]: White is trying to let black kill the corner, and get plenty of sente moves on the outside in exchange. Making another wall.

[18:30] dlpigozzi[4k]: p11 for the whole bottom right

[18:30] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: 206

[18:30] Trevoke[7k]: yeah, I just didn't think W would let p5 die

Move 86

[18:31] AndéolEvain[2d]: I don't think p5 will ever die.

[18:31] Trevoke[7k]: And the world makes sense again

[18:31] death_taxes[1k]: N3?

Move 88

[18:31] dlpigozzi[4k]: kata now?

[18:31] tekken8[1d]: o4 is very tricky

Move 89

[18:31] tekken8[1d]: sets up the ko if b n3

[18:31] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: ?

[18:32] hu5h55[23k]: wow this community is great!

[18:32] hu5h55[23k]: see you on twitch!

[18:32] AndéolEvain[2d]: I doubt white wants to fix the shape like this. Something around N3 would seem normal. But maybe to slack for the staste of those guys

[18:33] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: 207

[18:34] 周教練[5d]: s8 is a temporary forcing move

Move 91

[18:35] tekken8[1d]: if white had p7 the game was essentially over

[18:35] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: 208

Move 92

[18:35] allanhardy6[?]: Variation: 209

[18:36] death_taxes[1k]: just get out with sth like L3 M3?

[18:36] death_taxes[1k]: it might become a multi step ko for w

[18:36] death_taxes[1k]: ?

[18:37] AndéolEvain[2d]: Possibly. At some point, black is almost certainly going to need to spend moves inside to capture that.

[18:37] death_taxes[1k]: yeah

[18:38] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: what is happening again

Move 96

[18:39] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: mayhem

Move 98

[18:39] death_taxes[1k]: hm

[18:39] 周教練[5d]: n8 seems bad for me

[18:39] death_taxes[1k]: b is letting w build another wall

[18:39] AndéolEvain[2d]: White is essentially dead in the bottom right corner, but it is still unclear how much he gets in exchange on the outside.

[18:39] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: I just came and it's pandemonium

[18:39] AndéolEvain[2d]: Well, it became much more clear in the last few moves.

[18:40] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: how did they let that whole top position even exist?

[18:40] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i guess both were happy about the result xd

[18:40] AndéolEvain[2d]: "push-push-hane-hane" repeat on the whole board. Throw a few cuts in there.

[18:41] tekken8[1d]: black should capture p5

[18:41] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: I'm pretty sure there was a meme on the forums about how DDKs would do that lmao

[18:41] death_taxes[1k]: this game has a ddk vibe

[18:42] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: aren't we glad they can't read these comments LOL

[18:42] death_taxes[1k]: with the wall with the cutting points in the middle and the dead corner

[18:42] PolloLoco[3k]: making us sweat!

Move 100

[18:42] death_taxes[1k]: wow

[18:42] death_taxes[1k]: b went for the 2 stones!

[18:43] AndéolEvain[2d]: Well, if black can capture them, then he doesn't need to spend moves to capture the corner, so those are indeed worth a lot.

[18:43] tekken8[1d]: white needs to go for some cash

[18:43] Yezurof[2d]: L3 and count ?

[18:43] death_taxes[1k]: was that even necessary?

[18:43] AndéolEvain[2d]: But they are not very cleanly captured here.

Move 101

[18:43] whatbaseball[2k]: pretty quick D8

[18:43] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: question: does D8 qualify as a pincer, or are we just in pure uncharted territory?

Move 102

[18:43] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: tanguy has so much cash here >____>

Move 103

[18:43] AndéolEvain[2d]: That is a pincer, but that would also be a move white would consider even if there were no stone at D11.

[18:44] death_taxes[1k]: and he keeps making w thicker and thicker in the center...

[18:44] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: for me it looks like pavol has to make almost all of that influence as points or he's too far behind

[18:44] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: must be feeling pretty confident he can destroy that

[18:44] whatbaseball[2k]: center big, center vague

[18:44] Yezurof[2d]: he keep getting more point, and bottom is still open

Move 104

[18:44] AndéolEvain[2d]: Sakabi loves black in this position, by the way. But let's not forget bots are extremely good at reducing moyos.

[18:44] Kamakiri[1k]: Black is %90 now accourding to Leela. It says white shouldn't have played D8 and played P4 instead

Move 107

[18:45] tekken8[1d]: black's pulling out all the forcing moves

[18:45] whatbaseball[2k]: crazy, how pavol just dropped the p4 groupt after a few seconds

[18:46] AndéolEvain[2d]: Well, he had time to think about it before O5 was played. He must have decided on his answer before.

Move 108

[18:46] AndéolEvain[2d]: No way he answered that fast otherwise.

[18:46] Fredda91[7d]: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[18:47] PolloLoco[3k]: Is there any way at all that white can hope to get into upper right later on?

[18:47] tekken8[1d]: well if black d8..

[18:47] tekken8[1d]: whites gonna lose

[18:47] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: I think his reasoning was that P4 wasn't worth letting black risk getting into his moyo with a living group. Give up 4 stones, try to close big

[18:47] AndéolEvain[2d]: With a ko, certainly. Without a ko, white can probably hope for yose around S16 and that's all.

Move 109

[18:48] death_taxes[1k]: HERE WE GO

[18:48] ggroggs[1k]: And so it begins

[18:48] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: isn't there some serious aji around the O13 group though?

[18:48] PolloLoco[3k]: I see, no way to avoid that that I know of. We shall see!

Move 110

[18:48] Rocco[1d]: holy $*!%

[18:48] Rocco[1d]: just tuned in

[18:48] Rocco[1d]: what is this game

[18:48] Rocco[1d]: xD

[18:48] death_taxes[1k]: no way w can kill this

[18:48] whatbaseball[2k]: but center still so open, not sure d8 fixed thT..

[18:48] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: Rocco I had the SAME reaction tuning in 10 moves ago :)

Move 111

[18:48] Rocco[1d]: xD

[18:49] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: Allez Tanguy !

Move 112

[18:49] tekken8[1d]: well this is something we've all played in our games before

[18:49] Rocco[1d]: what's kata saying?

[18:50] AndéolEvain[2d]: 96% black.

[18:50] AndéolEvain[2d]: 13.5 point ahead

[18:50] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: b k3

[18:50] PolloLoco[3k]: will time become a concern for black I wonder?

[18:50] Rocco[1d]: definitely

[18:50] death_taxes[1k]: 13 points is nothing

[18:50] Rocco[1d]: its only 20 sec increments

[18:50] PolloLoco[3k]: pressure can always turn things when so much is open

[18:50] death_taxes[1k]: 1 minute left is worth - that

[18:50] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: oh it's time increments?

Move 113

[18:51] Yezurof[2d]: Can we now summarize by : If block live with a F4 or J5 stones, it's a win ?

[18:51] Kamakiri[1k]: This was the mistake according to leela. Now white can catch up with P4

[18:51] Rocco[1d]: nah 13 points is substantial

[18:51] Rocco[1d]: at

[18:51] Rocco[1d]: their level

[18:51] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: 13 points in the fuseki is ok, 13 points when invading a moyo is huge

[18:52] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: hence the invasion :)

[18:52] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: p4 looks huge

Move 114

[18:52] tekken8[1d]: p4 is indeed big

[18:52] PolloLoco[3k]: XD

[18:52] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: this corner is complicated T-T

[18:52] tekken8[1d]: corner might come alive in a seki

[18:53] PolloLoco[3k]: excitin!

[18:53] AndéolEvain[2d]: M4 still cuts

[18:53] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: N4 too

Move 115

[18:54] dlpigozzi[4k]: palko is losing on purpose

[18:54] tekken8[1d]: l5 stones in danger too

[18:54] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: dlpigozzi: what would he be losing the grand prix finale on purpose for?

[18:54] tekken8[1d]: if white connects at o3 and black cuts at l3 that is

[18:55] AndéolEvain[2d]: Still, Palko is known for being very resilient, so with only one minute on the clock, I doubt Tanguy can relax.

[18:55] dlpigozzi[4k]: to allow tanguy a second opportunity

[18:55] death_taxes[1k]: if tang wins we have quals tomorrow?

[18:55] dlpigozzi[4k]: yes

[18:55] dlpigozzi[4k]: tanguy lost by time the last game

[18:55] Stormwolf[2k]: no one loses on purpose at professional level

[18:55] Yezurof[2d]: lost by lag

[18:56] Fredda91[7d]: why would Palko prefer that Tanguy qualify over himself :D

Move 117

[18:56] Kamakiri[1k]: Variation: AI variation

[18:56] dlpigozzi[4k]: maybe he thinks more equal to give a chance to him

Move 120

[18:56] dlpigozzi[4k]: tomorrow he will play at full

[18:57] dlpigozzi[4k]: it was to creative today

[18:57] dlpigozzi[4k]: too*

[18:57] death_taxes[1k]: lol, get serious son

[18:57] whatbaseball[2k]: still a very interesting game!

[18:57] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: why not play at full now?

Move 123

[18:57] dlpigozzi[4k]: just a thought...

[18:58] PolloLoco[3k]: How to attack? G5?

[18:58] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: hmm

[18:58] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: H5?

[18:58] AndéolEvain[2d]: G5 looks like a nice shape point, but I think you need something on the side first, around F2

[18:58] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: throwing things around lol

[18:58] PolloLoco[3k]: I often fear to be slow, but I think you are right

[18:58] AndéolEvain[2d]: katago prefers H5, but anything looks desperate for it.

[18:59] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: w needs to take care of l5 still. b n8 and n7 sente

[18:59] AndéolEvain[2d]: After more time thinking, katago changed its mind to H6

[18:59] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: and KataGo never learned about "Palko-magic" :-)

Move 124

[18:59] PolloLoco[3k]: !!

[19:00] dacat1[7d]: palko magic is an illusion

[19:00] tekken8[1d]: white can win if he gets the center even if H3 group lives

[19:00] dlpigozzi[4k]: magic ko pla'

[19:00] dlpigozzi[4k]: pal'*

Move 126

[19:01] death_taxes[1k]: hm

[19:01] death_taxes[1k]: that feels a bit forced by w?

[19:01] PolloLoco[3k]: I nice marriage of ideas for W

Move 127

[19:01] OndraKruml[?]: what

Move 128

[19:01] AndéolEvain[2d]: In order to win without killing, white would need to close the center on the line number 6. Not very likely;

[19:01] dacat1[7d]: what

[19:01] OndraKruml[?]: tanguy blunder

[19:01] dacat1[7d]: tanguyyyyyyy

Move 130

[19:01] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: the french touch

[19:02] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: ^^"

[19:02] harmonic[7k]: lost his eye?

[19:02] PolloLoco[3k]: he solved our challenges to problem it would seem

[19:02] dacat1[7d]: French players really doing their best to lose this event

[19:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hmm, actually isnt S16 still open for whites invasion?

[19:02] Kamakiri[1k]: Amd mpw white is ahead

[19:02] Kamakiri[1k]: For the first tiöme

Move 131

[19:02] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: but he still can win if he does'nt die

[19:02] Yezurof[2d]: wtf is happening

[19:02] BDmytro[?]: at least he can connect at J1 :)

[19:02] tekken8[1d]: ok this is desperate now

[19:02] AndéolEvain[2d]: White 38% on my katago.

[19:02] OndraKruml[?]: well time is a part of the game

Move 132

[19:03] death_taxes[1k]: C8 says a lot as a move

Move 133

[19:03] torbg[2k]: where can we report if we suspect Palko is cheating?

[19:03] Kamakiri[1k]: White is now %90 according to Leela :D

[19:03] death_taxes[1k]: who said that 13.5 was substantial with 1 min on the clock...

[19:03] AndéolEvain[2d]: No cheating here. Black H1 was a blunder.

Move 134

[19:04] Kamakiri[1k]: White also didn't play according to AI

[19:04] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: joke guys

[19:04] Kamakiri[1k]: Almost every move was wrong according to Leela

Move 135

[19:04] PolloLoco[3k]: the intense pressure

[19:04] Kamakiri[1k]: Oh okay ^^'

[19:04] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: because palko is cheater

Move 138

[19:04] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: it was a joke

Move 140

[19:04] PolloLoco[3k]: !!

[19:05] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: oooh you never know with people on the internet

[19:05] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: some are terrible single-minded ;p

Move 145

[19:05] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: pal-ko again

Move 146

[19:05] kendfrey[10k]: katago wanted white to ignore the ko threat

[19:06] PolloLoco[3k]: How old is B? Do people know?

Move 147

[19:06] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: ko fighting is good for tanguy since he can get his time back

Move 149

[19:06] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: black is around 24

[19:06] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: maybe 25

[19:06] PolloLoco[3k]: Yes thank you. He seems young.

[19:07] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: both are 25 ^^

[19:07] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: https://www.eurogofed.org/pros/

[19:07] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: ko gave tanguy some time, good

Move 152

[19:07] PolloLoco[3k]: :) strong kiai

Move 156

[19:09] PolloLoco[3k]: I am glad we get to watch such strong players live. It's exhilarating

[19:10] tekken8[1d]: trade maybe?

[19:10] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: like in almost every european tournament =)

Move 159

[19:10] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: yes, the live with bottom group

[19:10] PolloLoco[3k]: :)

[19:10] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: then*

[19:10] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ohh gg now?

Move 160

[19:10] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ahh i guess not

[19:10] Fredda91[7d]: f9 might be bigger than r17 anyway :D

[19:10] tekken8[1d]: man this just messed up the points again

[19:11] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: gg team, always ready to see a resign ahah

[19:11] AndéolEvain[2d]: Katago sees white winning by 6.5. We could still have some surprises.

[19:11] PolloLoco[3k]: R17 is urgent no?

Move 162

[19:12] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: well white depserately needs points

Move 163

[19:12] AndéolEvain[2d]: Not that many points, now. Black is still dead on the bottom, and black's points suddenly shrunked a lot.

[19:12] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: tanguy is on the edge with time

[19:12] AndéolEvain[2d]: *shrank?

[19:12] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: bye bye 50 points on top >___>

[19:12] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: shrunk

[19:12] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: is fine

[19:13] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: tanguy nees sente i suppose

[19:13] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: needs*

[19:13] WaterDancer[4d]: who doesn't ? ;)

[19:13] AndéolEvain[2d]: Yes, playing two movesin a row would really put black back in the game.

[19:14] Fredda91[7d]: Review: ##599817

[19:14] BDmytro[?]: yes, F9 is about twenty points

[19:14] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: gote is strength

[19:14] FremchGuy[5k]: omg just came back, is tanguy losing?!!

[19:14] death_taxes[1k]: apparently 13point lead not big enough

[19:15] AndéolEvain[2d]: yes. He messed up the bottom side group, and is now behind.

[19:15] PolloLoco[3k]: I think this would make me crazy

[19:15] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: FremchGuy: it could still go for both but it's a hard game for both players and tnaguy is behind on time

[19:15] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: does E2 still possible for black later ?

[19:15] AndéolEvain[2d]: not enough to live, but there is aji.

Move 164

[19:15] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: possible but not very useful

Move 165

[19:16] PolloLoco[3k]: Variation: Maybe live with KO?

Move 167

[19:17] AndéolEvain[2d]: Variation: Variation : nope

[19:17] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: heart attack for french supporters

[19:17] PolloLoco[3k]: ah

[19:17] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: allez le Palko :-)

[19:17] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: Is B trying to time out? It feels like it

[19:18] PolloLoco[3k]: I think he is making the most of his time

[19:18] PolloLoco[3k]: searching

Move 169

[19:18] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: here we go again

[19:18] Piccione[6k]: lots of changes

Move 170

[19:19] PolloLoco[3k]: bravery

[19:19] AndéolEvain[2d]: haha, Katago doesn't like E2, and seese black ahead now.

Move 171

[19:19] kendfrey[10k]: now katago says 50/50

[19:19] Piccione[6k]: why so many people watch?

[19:19] AndéolEvain[2d]: Because it's a game in a tournament of top European players.

Move 172

[19:20] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: building ko threats too

[19:20] Piccione[6k]: oh this is a tournament

[19:20] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: They're both pros, and there's a site banner

Move 173

[19:20] PolloLoco[3k]: do you think they might ever do an exhibition with a top American? Like Michel Redmond?

[19:20] bobsof[2d]: And it’s extremely interesting.

[19:20] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: they are both pros, and games between the two of them have always been entertaining to watch ^^

[19:20] Piccione[6k]: murica

[19:20] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: redmond is japanese pro

Move 174

[19:21] PolloLoco[3k]: Oh, I thought he was from the USA

[19:21] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: my favorite tanguy/pavol game was the 402 move long monster from july ^^

[19:21] AndéolEvain[2d]: There was a Europe vs USA match a while ago. It was very fun (sadly, there was some drama around internet issues that reversed an important game).

[19:21] tekken8[1d]: another trade?

Move 175

[19:21] kendfrey[10k]: palko making him think

Move 178

[19:21] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: allez là !!!!!

[19:21] Flo프로[6d]: ah il est chaud

[19:22] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: Redmond is from the US, but he plays professionally across the Pacific

Move 179

[19:22] AndéolEvain[2d]: This game keeps getting crazier.

[19:22] FremchGuy[5k]: vraiment il DOIT gagner

[19:22] laxerrrr[8k]: hes from usa PolloLoco but he's a japanese pro

Move 180

[19:22] PolloLoco[3k]: Ah yes, internet troubles

[19:22] PolloLoco[3k]: Oh I see thx

Move 181

[19:22] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: wait how did C8 die like that

[19:22] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: redmond would not be as stroing as he is if he stayed in US

Move 182

[19:22] PolloLoco[3k]: distracting myself from tension

[19:22] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: tanguy already won the ko once xd

[19:22] Flo프로[6d]: oh il vit le bougre

[19:22] laxerrrr[8k]: bcp de français ici?

Move 183

[19:22] OndraKruml[?]: what was the reason for c7 atari?

[19:22] Stormwolf[2k]: belge

[19:22] PolloLoco[3k]: yes not many strong players in America compared to others

[19:22] Trevoke[7k]: laxer : y en a quelques-uns :p

[19:22] FremchGuy[5k]: oui

Move 184

[19:23] navril[11k]: oui

Move 186

[19:23] Piccione[6k]: can they see chat?

[19:23] laxerrrr[8k]: oh allo trevoke lol

[19:23] Trevoke[7k]: bon, je retourne au boulot moi

[19:23] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: here we ko again

[19:23] Trevoke[7k]: :D

[19:23] death_taxes[1k]: wow, what a trade

[19:23] PolloLoco[3k]: XD

Move 188

[19:23] laxerrrr[8k]: jhahaha

[19:23] Flo프로[6d]: bon moins clair là ce qu'il fait

[19:23] Trevoke[7k]: ca fait du bien de te voir laxer (mais serieux je travaille :D )

[19:23] OndraKruml[?]: not really a trade though

[19:23] laxerrrr[8k]: have fun!

Move 189

[19:23] death_taxes[1k]: why so Ondra?

[19:24] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: ?????????

Move 192

[19:24] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: was it that big ?

[19:24] B2 Bomber[1d]: game 30268947

[19:24] FremchGuy[5k]: isnt k2 bigger ko threat?

Move 194

[19:25] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: it doesn't need to be the biggest, it needs to be enough

Move 195

[19:25] PolloLoco[3k]: très difficile

[19:25] OndraKruml[?]: to me it seems only white is taking, but maybe Im wrong.

[19:25] Joly[2d]: the matter of k2 is that you kill all the aji

[19:25] death_taxes[1k]: i see, thank you

[19:25] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: if there's another ko later, you want to keep the best threats

Move 197

[19:25] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ohhhh O___O

[19:25] AndéolEvain[2d]: Not sure those are enough, though. White could ignore them to simplify the game.

Move 198

[19:26] tekken8[1d]: is anyone still counting?

[19:26] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: simplify comes

[19:26] PolloLoco[3k]: white feels confident now

Move 199

[19:27] FremchGuy[5k]: yes i saw it!!!

[19:27] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: I was just about to say "hey wait P10 works now"

[19:27] FremchGuy[5k]: i was gona ask

[19:27] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: b says no to simplification

[19:27] whatbaseball[2k]: wow, white could defend that center..

[19:27] OndraKruml[?]: entertaining game indeed :]

[19:28] FremchGuy[5k]: ALLLEZ Tanguy

[19:28] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: i prefer the legendary Benvs Oscar, but this game is still nice to watch =)

Move 200

[19:28] Flo프로[6d]: euh

[19:28] WaterDancer[4d]: legendary yet ?

Move 203

[19:29] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: what

[19:29] PolloLoco[3k]: yes

[19:30] PolloLoco[3k]: can we feel that Q18 was slow then?

[19:30] FremchGuy[5k]: why black does not ensures to kill with a move like k9?

Move 204

[19:30] whatbaseball[2k]: still a ko no?

Move 205

[19:30] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: gote

Move 206

[19:31] AndéolEvain[2d]: Well, katago says it's a 1.5 point game now, so nothing makes any sense anymore.

[19:31] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: The biggest gote move is only worth half the smallest sente move

Move 208

[19:31] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: or the smallest sente move can't be called sente to begin with :p

[19:31] OndraKruml[?]: I am a bit confused, if w didnt play q18 and just taken the middle stones p10, it was bad for white? how could it :O

[19:31] FremchGuy[5k]: yes i guess thx

Move 209

[19:31] PolloLoco[3k]: :) yes right?

Move 213

[19:32] PolloLoco[3k]: and then to see this? was bottom group really dead? attack on right side... more trouble than it was worth I think but we will see

Move 216

[19:33] OndraKruml[?]: I think q18 was also missread, to me p10 is bigger, but if w was losing would make sense

Move 217

[19:33] PolloLoco[3k]: i agree

[19:33] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: andrii vs jan simara also happening rn game 30268947

Move 218

[19:33] PolloLoco[3k]: I thought at first that it was white's confidence, but now seems opposite

Move 219

[19:34] kendfrey[10k]: katago also agrees, says p9 was best

[19:34] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: thx @KoBa

[19:34] PolloLoco[3k]: yes thx for link ^^

Move 220

[19:35] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: wait

Move 221

[19:35] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: OGS links are above 30 million now?

[19:35] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: yup ^^

[19:36] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: Seems like yesterday we were celebrating game 10 000 000

[19:36] PolloLoco[3k]: what a brutal conflict this has been

Move 223

[19:37] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: k9 to save m10 stones?

Move 224

[19:37] PolloLoco[3k]: stays heavy

Move 225

[19:38] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: Tanguyyyyyyyy

[19:38] whatbaseball[2k]: k3 killable?

Move 226

[19:38] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: stop laying wth our heart !!!

[19:38] AndéolEvain[2d]: It's a bit dangerous for white to try to save the M10 stone and keep black dead on the bottom at the same time. But Palko doesn't know fear, of course.

Move 228

[19:38] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: pros in general only know fear as an abstract concept in fiction

[19:38] B2 Bomber[1d]: tanguy in time trouble

[19:38] PolloLoco[3k]: yes he is very brave

Move 229

[19:38] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: B is playing this like the last period of Byo-yomi, and it's messing with my head

[19:39] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: oh

Move 230

[19:39] kendfrey[10k]: because there is no byo-yomi

[19:39] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: black is always under 30 seconds so

Move 231

[19:39] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: in a way yes

[19:39] B2 Bomber[1d]: it's SD with +20s increment

Move 232

[19:40] AndéolEvain[2d]: Fisher time is great, shame we do not use it more.

[19:40] FremchGuy[5k]: has black kiled the entire top?

Move 233

[19:40] B2 Bomber[1d]: OGS supports it so use it in your online games

[19:40] PolloLoco[3k]: yes to reattack KO

[19:40] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: AndéolEvain just join the sitewide ladders :p

[19:40] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: I know the rules; that's why B's play style is really messing with me

Move 236

[19:41] whatbaseball[2k]: tanguy always sees big picture, but palko so strong in local battles

Move 238

[19:41] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: over

Move 239

[19:42] FremchGuy[5k]: what says katago???

[19:42] AndéolEvain[2d]: Katago says the game is over

Move 240

[19:42] kendfrey[10k]: white by 43.5 points

[19:42] AndéolEvain[2d]: 40+ points for white

Move 241

[19:42] PolloLoco[3k]: liberty shortage

[19:42] mirreke[4k]: I can't even see what's dead and what's alive

[19:42] FremchGuy[5k]: omg noooo

[19:42] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: quick, invok the AI gods

[19:42] AndéolEvain[2d]: White did manage to save the center stone and keep both the bottom group and the left group dead, sooo

[19:43] PolloLoco[3k]: too tough for B to read

[19:43] death_taxes[1k]: no quals tomorrow :(

[19:43] PolloLoco[3k]: too short time

Move 242

[19:43] PolloLoco[3k]: took a chance

[19:43] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: over 9000

Move 243

[19:43] Rocco[1d]: is white leading?

[19:43] kendfrey[10k]: comfortably

[19:43] PolloLoco[3k]: strong effort

[19:43] whatbaseball[2k]: big time

[19:44] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: palko magic

[19:44] AndéolEvain[2d]: yes, by a huge amount. It would take a massive blunder for black ot have any hope

[19:44] PolloLoco[3k]: you told true

[19:44] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: Looks like it - lots of dead B stones

Move 244

[19:44] PolloLoco[3k]: he really does seem magic

Move 246

[19:44] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: is there even enough room for a w blunder that's big enough?

Move 248

[19:44] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: Trying to find the worst move

[19:44] kendfrey[10k]: always

[19:44] FremchGuy[5k]: i cant see this...

[19:44] Rocco[1d]: what happened?

[19:45] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: semeai between E12 and E14

[19:45] Rocco[1d]: last time I was here kata was saying 13 point lead for black

[19:45] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: D1 might do it LOL

Move 249

[19:45] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: time pressure is tragic

[19:45] Rocco[1d]: ah

[19:45] legend76[3d]: why didn't w play D12.. seems a lot easier (safer)

[19:45] Rocco[1d]: ofcourse

Move 250

[19:45] B2 Bomber[1d]: it's not tragic at all, you have full control of your time usage

[19:45] AndéolEvain[2d]: Because white is a very confident guy.

Move 251

[19:46] Valerii K[?]: Why not J9 instead of L8?

[19:46] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: B2 Bomber: as someone with ADHD, not entirely :p

[19:46] tekken8[1d]: ko coming up

[19:46] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: Oh boy - capturing race. Not sure that it works

[19:46] death_taxes[1k]: multi step

Move 252

[19:46] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: death ko

Move 253

[19:47] kendfrey[10k]: @ValeriiK katago says l8 was a mistake

[19:47] Rocco[1d]: ;O

[19:47] Joly[2d]: not really, white doesn't need to win it

Move 254

[19:47] Rocco[1d]: empty triangle is never a mistake!

[19:47] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: 6 liberties to 4 with a ko is what I see

[19:47] akumayy[4d]: Variation: 210

[19:47] akumayy[4d]: wast someting like this safer ?

[19:47] legend76[3d]: should have been J9 instead

Move 256

[19:47] B2 Bomber[1d]: J9 sente connection so makes sense

[19:48] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: two step ko

Move 257

[19:48] legend76[3d]: indeed

[19:48] FremchGuy[5k]: why french player always lead the benining, and then their opponents plays move that make no sense for the human mind and end up losing

Move 258

[19:48] Stormwolf[2k]: can black fight this ko?

[19:48] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: because we sucks at reading

Move 259

[19:48] PolloLoco[3k]: yes threaten to live

[19:48] AndéolEvain[2d]: not really. Black doesn't have many serious ko threats, and white can allow black to get quite a lot in exchange without worrying.

Move 261

[19:48] PolloLoco[3k]: too much passion for French maybe? ;)

[19:48] mcpudding_nl[6k]: impossible ko

Move 265

[19:49] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: r10

Move 266

[19:49] FremchGuy[5k]: k9?

Move 267

[19:49] FremchGuy[5k]: for black i mean

[19:49] Evan is my name[5k]: Potential for triple ko here?

[19:49] Oiyel[1k]: no

[19:49] mcpudding_nl[6k]: no

[19:49] AndéolEvain[2d]: No chance for a triple ko, no

[19:50] Valerii K[?]: R1?

[19:50] mcpudding_nl[6k]: white is too much ahead i guess anyway

Move 268

[19:50] tekken8[1d]: trade

Move 270

[19:50] Kamakiri[1k]: This is definitely a chance for black to play A15

[19:50] Kamakiri[1k]: Oh no

[19:50] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: maybe not

[19:50] B2 Bomber[1d]: B cant finish with 1 move

[19:50] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: No chance for a triple ko because the black group only touches one ko

[19:50] mcpudding_nl[6k]: indeed

[19:50] Kamakiri[1k]: Black has to not answer multiple trades

[19:50] legend76[3d]: o17 loses points...

[19:51] mcpudding_nl[6k]: black must ignore one ko threat to save his group

Move 271

[19:51] Kamakiri[1k]: More then one

[19:51] Yezurof[2d]: K6 ?

[19:51] Kamakiri[1k]: than*

[19:51] mcpudding_nl[6k]: yy one additional

[19:51] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: ko ko riko

[19:51] Stormwolf[2k]: shouldn't black just resign?

[19:51] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: never resign

[19:51] death_taxes[1k]: T9 also negative value?

[19:51] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: its still 2-step ko

[19:52] AndéolEvain[2d]: You never "should" resign. There are only position in which is not worse than the other moves.

[19:52] mcpudding_nl[6k]: white can just play c11?

[19:52] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: If B manages to make that left group live, I will be gobsmacked

[19:52] FremchGuy[5k]: according to katago what is the losing move?

[19:52] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: w is counting

[19:52] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: I disagree, there are conditions where resigning is more polite than anything else

[19:52] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: situations*

[19:52] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: can't people enjoy watching witchout KatGo???

[19:52] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: resignation is crappy ko threat >____>

[19:52] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: *raises hand*

[19:52] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: KataGo is another way to enjoy watching

[19:52] PolloLoco[3k]: lol

[19:53] Kamakiri[1k]: If there is a pro who is reviewing, I wouldn't watch with KataGo

[19:53] Oiyel[1k]: don't bother resigning because of politeness in a tournament game

[19:53] FremchGuy[5k]: yes i do enjoy watching without katago but here i am heart broken

[19:53] Kamakiri[1k]: But we need professional opinions

[19:53] PolloLoco[3k]: I think spending time to look carefully is nice professional courtesy

[19:53] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: not if 100 ddk tell me what their katago says. :)

[19:53] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: I don't use bots but let people who are enthusiastic about it about them use them, they're just having fun in another way

[19:53] whatbaseball[2k]: whats ddk

[19:53] whatbaseball[2k]: ?

[19:53] Evan is my name[5k]: Resignation is a great ko threat, your opponent definitely won't take the ko back!

[19:53] Kamakiri[1k]: Double digit kyu

[19:53] Kamakiri[1k]: From 10 to 39

[19:53] whatbaseball[2k]: ok thx

[19:53] kendfrey[10k]: that's me :D

[19:53] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hah evan xD

[19:53] pdjordjevic[6k]: from 10 to 99

[19:54] B2 Bomber[1d]: actually >9.1

[19:54] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: >9.6

Move 272

[19:54] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: :-)

[19:54] PolloLoco[3k]: Lose game to win Ko = big brain move

Move 274

[19:54] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: now b gotta ignore?

[19:54] Evan is my name[5k]: Losing the war, but winning the battle!

[19:54] Evan is my name[5k]: Galaxy brain

Move 276

[19:54] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: oh

[19:55] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: K9?

[19:55] whatbaseball[2k]: somebody said, Plako magic dont exist, well..

[19:55] TeleGo[?]: they're playing a baiting game, if W can win the ko after black plays A15 W will get an extra move

Move 277

[19:55] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: whatbaseball: is not plako magic, is tanguy blunder

Move 279

[19:55] PolloLoco[3k]: I was wondering if top left was big enough

[19:55] Kamakiri[1k]: Well when the situation is absurdly complex, every pro blunders

[19:56] Valerii K[?]: caused by palco magic

[19:56] PolloLoco[3k]: seems palko thinks so

[19:56] Oiyel[1k]: so white counted that giving up the top left wont lead him to win the game?

[19:56] Kamakiri[1k]: Palko made it complex enough

[19:56] BooYanJiong[2k]: w win?

[19:56] mcpudding_nl[6k]: well white does not need to worry

[19:56] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: after the famous palko danrii game, i will never doubt palko's magic anymore

Move 280

[19:56] mcpudding_nl[6k]: white can respond to all ko threats

[19:56] hypergeometric[5k]: do you have a link to that game ?

[19:56] mcpudding_nl[6k]: black is the one to give in

[19:56] hypergeometric[5k]: DioBrando

[19:56] whatbaseball[2k]: i missed a few moves saishou ni atamga ga ukabu, when was the blunder?

[19:56] AndéolEvain[2d]: White can answer basically everything, since it's a step-ko.

Move 281

[19:56] Oiyel[1k]: not really

Move 282

[19:56] AndéolEvain[2d]: H1 was the blunder

[19:56] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: one of the games in the european go online championship

[19:56] PolloLoco[3k]: ahhh

[19:57] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: https://eurogofed.org/pros/league.html

Move 283

[19:57] whatbaseball[2k]: oh h1

Move 284

[19:57] mcpudding_nl[6k]: i dont see how b can have time to play a15

Move 285

[19:57] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: shpuld b have ignored T1?

[19:57] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: by ignoring w's threat ^^

[19:57] AndéolEvain[2d]: In theory, by winning the ko several times in a row.

[19:58] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: is relatively small

Move 286

[19:58] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: he does'nt, that's the problem

[19:58] B2 Bomber[1d]: this is the bait XD

[19:58] tekken8[1d]: a15

[19:58] Kamakiri[1k]: Black definitely has to play A15 now

Move 288

[19:59] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: this move took away two ko threats of black

[19:59] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: and now its a real ko!

[19:59] whatbaseball[2k]: step 1 :)

[19:59] AndéolEvain[2d]: K6?

Move 289

[19:59] Ana1ysis[7d]: love seeing 300 people watching a game on OGS!

[19:59] B2 Bomber[1d]: must ignore :D

[19:59] Kamakiri[1k]: What does AI say right now?

[19:59] mcpudding_nl[6k]: just play c11

[19:59] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: That was a severe atari

[20:00] OGA937[2k]: W can ignore it

[20:00] mcpudding_nl[6k]: y

[20:00] Yezurof[2d]: It's ~20 points. Not enough considering white gained S14

[20:00] Oiyel[1k]: if white would ignore this move, why even play s14?

[20:00] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: Isn't that just threatening an exchange?

Move 291

[20:00] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: wow

Move 292

[20:00] Kamakiri[1k]: Really wow

[20:00] tekken8[1d]: should capture

[20:00] OGA937[2k]: H6 is nt a ko threat?

[20:00] B2 Bomber[1d]: Oiyel: i believe S14 removed threats in the corner

[20:00] BDmytro[?]: next ko

Move 293

[20:01] Oiyel[1k]: yeah but what use is removing threats if you ignore the next one black makes?

[20:01] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: YAAAYYY

[20:01] whatbaseball[2k]: yup

[20:01] Stormwolf[2k]: wow

[20:01] mcpudding_nl[6k]: omg

[20:01] whatbaseball[2k]: chance

[20:01] Ana1ysis[7d]: here we go

[20:01] pdjordjevic[6k]: curious

[20:01] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: woah

Move 294

[20:01] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: he counted

[20:01] Unclimbability[10k]: Omg

[20:01] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: looks like mistake

Move 295

[20:01] mcpudding_nl[6k]: white throwing the game

Move 296

[20:01] Stormwolf[2k]: ko again haha

[20:01] xxchemotoxx[?]: \o/

[20:01] B2 Bomber[1d]: oh man

[20:01] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: Man, I really misread that

[20:01] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: these guys

[20:01] AndéolEvain[2d]: Well, time for another ko, then :p

Move 297

[20:01] B2 Bomber[1d]: doesnt seem like a good trade for white

Move 298

[20:01] mcpudding_nl[6k]: b just take

[20:01] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: yay, we're again closing to 100 captures xd

[20:02] mcpudding_nl[6k]: t5 and resign

[20:02] tekken8[1d]: this is way too interesting now

Move 299

[20:02] mcpudding_nl[6k]: gg

Move 300

[20:02] tekken8[1d]: q6

[20:02] Stormwolf[2k]: what is the estimation now?

[20:02] harmonic[7k]: Was that group of center stones really worth white's left group?

Move 301

[20:03] tekken8[1d]: blacks ahead

[20:03] AndéolEvain[2d]: no, it wasn't

Move 302

[20:03] Stormwolf[2k]: What? Black turned it around?

Move 303

[20:03] OGA937[2k]: Ahahh

[20:03] tekken8[1d]: close

[20:03] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: not yet

[20:03] kendfrey[10k]: 99.5% for white says kata

Move 304

[20:03] FremchGuy[5k]: if tanguy wins im so happy

Move 306

[20:03] nicholas.a.villarreal[13k]: Is there ever a way to die in sente?

Move 308

[20:03] Stormwolf[2k]: dammit i have to go cook, but i don't want to leave the game

Move 313

[20:04] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: cook with the game

[20:04] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: lol

[20:04] mcpudding_nl[6k]: w00t w still ahead? i would b give at least 5 points ahead

Move 315

[20:04] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: just count

[20:04] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: b 50 prisoners .-) lol

Move 316

[20:04] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: "just count"

Move 319

[20:04] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: yeah it's a bit hard here

Move 320

[20:05] Oiyel[1k]: i've got better ways to spend my time than to count a game that's almost finished

Move 322

[20:05] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: it feels like w blew it

Move 323

[20:05] Volker_S_Halstenbek[2d]: and i bet neither players knows the result

[20:05] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: not that hard, everythng is settled

Move 324

[20:05] Kamakiri[1k]: I just counted and black is ahead by 10. That explains why I'm not a Dan Player

[20:05] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: everything was settled three exchanges earlier

[20:05] AndéolEvain[2d]: At this point, it's probably easier for them to play a perfect yose than to count.

[20:05] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: and it's just the sheer amount of dead stones

Move 325

[20:06] Oiyel[1k]: white would've been ahead by more if he just ignored the top left threat imo. but hey i'm not close to pro so who knows what he read

Move 326

[20:06] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: lot to count does'nt mean hard to count =)

Move 330

[20:06] tekken8[1d]: within 10 points

[20:06] B2 Bomber[1d]: I'm sure palko counted before that big trade

Move 332

[20:06] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: yes

[20:06] tekken8[1d]: probably white won

Move 333

[20:06] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: there's a safe way to know the result

Move 335

[20:06] prosody 最初頭に浮かぶ一手[1k]: OGS SCORE ESTIMATOR