Game Finished

Move 275

Avtikh[2p]

92 points

roln90[3p]

99.5 points

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

White wins by 7.5 points

Reviews

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Move 0

January 22, 2021

[9:06] Avtikh[2p]: have a good game

[9:06] roln90[3p]: have a nice game

Move 11

[9:11] Celebrir[2d]: Interesting opening. Really curious what will happen to R5 later...

Move 16

[9:15] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: :D

[9:15] Sylvain[2d]: https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html

Move 18

[9:15] Pond Turtle[2d]: That stone is has a lot of aji

Move 19

[9:15] ozzyiscimen[11k]: good fgames

Move 22

[9:15] S_Alexander[3d]: good that it was announced

Move 24

[9:16] Pond Turtle[2d]: Variation: Even this is hard to really kill off with moves like A or B, you can see that lot in ye olde games

Move 30

[9:17] Fredda91[7d]: some might say Ali is unlucky to get paired wit Ilya

Move 31

[9:17] Fredda91[7d]: but it could been worse, he could have gotten Oskar

Move 32

[9:19] Celebrir[2d]: How much worth does H3 have if you think about playing elsewhere and try to compare?

[9:19] S_Alexander[3d]: gonna be a fast game

[9:19] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: :D

[9:19] S_Alexander[3d]: ilya doesn't think for long

[9:19] Pond Turtle[2d]: Celebri it would make black super thick and without weakness to capture those 2 stones...

Move 34

[9:20] Pond Turtle[2d]: I wonder what robot thinks

[9:20] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: hello everyone :)

Move 35

[9:21] Zaphodian[?]: That's simple: Robots don't think.

[9:21] Celebrir[2d]: Yeah I know. But how do you compare that and decide to e.g. continue bottom right or left?

Move 36

[9:21] Zaphodian[?]: Well, the lower left is an established joseki (albeit a young one).

[9:22] Zaphodian[?]: So you have to evaluate it in its own context.

Move 40

[9:23] Celebrir[2d]: That's basically what I'm trying to train and the reason for my question ;)

[9:23] Zaphodian[?]: e.g. if W R5 had been at P3 and B q3 at R4 and O4 not existent, I think it would have been good for W. It's all a matter of synergy.

[9:23] Pond Turtle[2d]: We should really get realtime AI for these games like asian TV

Move 43

[9:24] Zaphodian[?]: What's the point? You would stop thinking altogether.

[9:24] ApolloGo[1k]: PogChamp

[9:24] Pond Turtle[2d]: I am thinking on my own just fine, but I am frequently wrong :-D

[9:24] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: cool

Move 46

[9:25] Pond Turtle[2d]: I like this for B, W is inducing B to hurt the R5 stone

[9:25] Zaphodian[?]: I am almost gonna ask "define 'just fine' ", but I won;t.

[9:26] Celebrir[2d]: For me 'Fine enough to beeing impressed by my own stupidness' xD

[9:26] Badukness05[3k]: AI is better than 9dan pro ?

[9:27] Celebrir[2d]: Depends on hardware, but most likely yes

[9:27] Zaphodian[?]: So B has a weakness at L7 and W may still try to make life by playing R2 or S3.

[9:27] Celebrir[2d]: But it does not explain things that well

Move 47

[9:27] Badukness05[3k]: can we have some ai with human style? :/

[9:27] Zaphodian[?]: That's a good answer. You will at least need to be able to reflect for that.

[9:27] Fredda91[7d]: I'd prefer to have Oskars view rather than AI

[9:28] Pond Turtle[2d]: is there stream somewhere?

[9:28] Zaphodian[?]: Probably not.

[9:28] Badukness05[3k]: this b connections are weird

[9:28] Zaphodian[?]: I have to leave in a few minutes. Otherwise, I would do some more commenting.

Move 48

[9:29] Celebrir[2d]: Thanks for what you already did Zaphodian :) Have a nice day

[9:29] Badukness05[3k]: zaphodian is rob van ?

Move 49

[9:29] Zaphodian[?]: B is trying to put W in damezumari (lack of libs) somehow. And W L7 is making K3 sente so that won't ever happen.

[9:29] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, @badukness.

[9:30] Badukness05[3k]: cool :) great comments

[9:30] Zaphodian[?]: I am going to a Zen lesson.

[9:30] Zaphodian[?]: So here, you see the lack of libs

[9:31] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B's plan (or an adaptation of this)

[9:32] Pond Turtle[2d]: Variation: hb this

[9:33] Pond Turtle[2d]: It makes P2 sente sure, but it seems to work other than that

Move 50

[9:34] Badukness05[3k]: all are leaving gokgs seems

[9:35] Chinitsu[3d]: w shapes look pretty bad. Feels like there's a tsumego here to solve

[9:36] Fredda91[7d]: k7 is good timing

[9:37] Fredda91[7d]: maybe b can resist with n5 and k3

[9:38] Pond Turtle[2d]: Variation: Is the bottom for B good enough compensation for the center shape?

[9:38] death_taxes[1k]: so dissapointed

[9:39] death_taxes[1k]: this match was not on the online schedule

[9:39] death_taxes[1k]: they must have updated it yesterday late

[9:40] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: thanks

[9:41] siljan[?]: I got the info about the schedule today at 9:30

Move 54

[9:42] death_taxes[1k]: this match was the only one missing last time i checked and the other three were published days ago

[9:42] Badukness05[3k]: w can play m8?

[9:42] nidza[?]: h3 group is not exactly sacrificable

Move 55

[9:42] Chinitsu[3d]: Why? they looks decently small to me

[9:42] NoZ-[7k]: he just sacrificed it though

[9:42] Stormwolf[2k]: didn't white just sacrifice it though?

[9:42] Chinitsu[3d]: not a cutting group

[9:43] nidza[?]: its just bad for white. heavy shape, 6 stones

[9:43] Pond Turtle[2d]: This makes it hard for B to build

[9:43] Pond Turtle[2d]: I think....

Move 58

[9:43] Chinitsu[3d]: no black can solidfy right side

[9:43] Chinitsu[3d]: *... or solidifies?

[9:43] death_taxes[1k]: M8 now is good for both i believe

[9:44] Badukness05[3k]: pls check ai

[9:44] Pond Turtle[2d]: Wouldn't M8 be aji keshi for W? Might like ot threaten cut at some point

[9:44] death_taxes[1k]: well, the question is, can w cut at N7?

Move 59

[9:44] Chinitsu[3d]: mmm I don't see any chance for w N7

[9:44] Pond Turtle[2d]: apparently B thought so

[9:45] Chinitsu[3d]: so if w play probably it's a good time for M8

Move 60

[9:45] Pond Turtle[2d]: You do not need to cut directly, at some point you can invade or reduce and use the cut as implied threat

[9:45] Celebrir[2d]: Now it gets really interesting

[9:46] Pond Turtle[2d]: to me M8 would have made sense if you wanted to build but with B group peeking out at G6 being super alive that doers not seem interesting

Move 63

[9:49] Badukness05[3k]: there is no ai tool in live games yet?

[9:50] death_taxes[1k]: if i was b, i would love to play N16 and try to build the right

[9:50] damu[?]: Alibaba gonna fuuck him

[9:50] Badukness05[3k]: lol

[9:51] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: :D

[9:51] Pond Turtle[2d]: dunno

[9:51] Pond Turtle[2d]: Right sider influence might not be big enough for B

[9:52] Pond Turtle[2d]: if W livesin there, some black stones seem wasted to me

Move 66

[9:54] Badukness05[3k]: wow

[9:55] pynxy[6d]: I don't see it for w

[9:55] death_taxes[1k]: is that even alive locally?

[9:55] Badukness05[3k]: hes gonna create a wall with q8

[9:56] pynxy[6d]: Zaph did you have breakfast?

[9:57] tmtyioh[4d]: r2, s6, t5, q6, q5, p5, q4, p7 white escapes i think is one way

[9:57] Palko[2p]: S6 gogo

Move 68

[9:59] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: cool

[9:59] Badukness05[3k]: cool nickname to puyt email

[9:59] wooolf[5k]: Variation: like so

[9:59] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: :D

[10:00] Badukness05[3k]: i remember yahoo go server

[10:00] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: thanks

[10:02] meo_tho_xay[?]: Review: ##601540

Move 71

[10:05] Badukness05[3k]: r12 easy life?

[10:05] errno_h[3d]: free cut at p4

Move 72

[10:06] Kamakiri[1k]: Cut doesn't matter since black can live with Q1

[10:06] tmtyioh[4d]: is it big enough right now?

Move 74

[10:07] errno_h[3d]: it will matter later for N6 group

Move 75

[10:09] 精神小伙123[10k]: emm

Move 76

[10:09] Go_Michael[?]: What happens when their time is up?

[10:09] death_taxes[1k]: katago says N16 better than N15

[10:10] 精神小伙123[10k]: good

[10:10] death_taxes[1k]: called it 30 moves ago, where is my pro certificate? :p

[10:10] 精神小伙123[10k]: time too long

[10:11] Kamakiri[1k]: no life is too short

Move 77

[10:11] Badukness05[3k]: death is ilusion

Move 80

[10:12] bartosz[?]: what is s6 for?

[10:12] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: :D

[10:12] Badukness05[3k]: time suji

[10:13] xiaodaiboy[1d]: Review: ##601546

Move 81

[10:13] death_taxes[1k]: nah, it's not just timesuji

Move 82

[10:14] Badukness05[3k]: w is a genius

Move 89

[10:18] Jr4yA[5d]: Review: ##601552

[10:18] pynxy[6d]: This seems small

[10:18] Badukness05[3k]: this cut is overplay

Move 90

[10:20] filosofen[4k]: Seems to me b gained nothing from this?

[10:20] Badukness05[3k]: he still need to kill p10 lol

Move 92

[10:21] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: :D

[10:21] Badukness05[3k]: omg

[10:21] Clayden[6d]: black step is twisted

[10:21] agofil[2k]: Is it always overplay ?

[10:21] Clayden[6d]: Review: ##601555

Move 93

[10:22] cfisher[4d]: I thought L8 would be left as endgame

Move 97

[10:22] Badukness05[3k]: w is so good

Move 99

[10:23] Picaresque[4d]: too efficient

[10:23] Picaresque[4d]: he just hits every vital point

[10:23] Pond Turtle[2d]: white is ahead now no?

Move 100

[10:24] ronin3[1k]: he is creaming black

[10:24] death_taxes[1k]: no he is not

[10:24] Badukness05[3k]: and he still have 36 minutes

[10:24] ronin3[1k]: wait I said I wouldn't be using wihte/black anymore. i'll use wheat and pudding

Move 102

[10:24] death_taxes[1k]: w+3 here according to kata

[10:25] ronin3[1k]: a 3pts lead isn't terribly helpful for hoomans :-)

[10:25] Pond Turtle[2d]: huh

Move 103

[10:25] Pond Turtle[2d]: Well I guess there is lot to happen on the left)

[10:26] death_taxes[1k]: a couple of days ago one pro blew a 26p lead in the middle of the game, so 3 is basically a coin toss, but if we also take into account b's time problem it might be more significant

[10:27] Fredda91[7d]: which pro

[10:27] Fredda91[7d]: ben0?

[10:27] Badukness05[3k]: hoinbou shusaku

[10:28] death_taxes[1k]: not gonna say :p because i like his style and all that

[10:28] death_taxes[1k]: and he's cool

[10:28] bartosz[?]: not blundering 26p is easy, just dont take the lead

[10:28] Badukness05[3k]: what is b doing?

[10:29] cfisher[4d]: going all-in

[10:29] Yaka_Go[5d]: Black is saying "I may have problems - but so do you!"

Move 104

[10:30] Badukness05[3k]: w is cho chikun?

[10:30] Badukness05[3k]: he lives everywhere in sente

[10:30] death_taxes[1k]: in his next game he was behind by 19p on move 100 and managed to win

[10:31] xxchemotoxx[?]: hehe Fredda you are really keepin' it alive

[10:31] death_taxes[1k]: mind you, 25p ahead was 97% win according to kata, so all this AI stuff doesn't mean much during the game

[10:31] Fredda91[7d]: xx thank you xx

Move 105

[10:32] Badukness05[3k]: what is that

Move 106

[10:33] Kamakiri[1k]: Ali thinks he is extremely behind so he wants to catch-up I guess

Move 107

[10:33] Picaresque[4d]: he's aiming at the cut

Move 108

[10:34] Picaresque[4d]: ali wants to N8 next

Move 109

[10:34] Picaresque[4d]: the problem is that he's not getting sente here

[10:35] hypergeometric[5k]: why N8 is bigger than invading at B16 or C something

[10:35] hypergeometric[5k]: ?

[10:36] hypergeometric[5k]: actually I guess cutting somewhere around O11 is quite big indeed

[10:37] filip.diloom[2d]: yes with the wall B is getting now it semes nove

[10:37] Picaresque[4d]: cant ilya just n11 here?

Move 112

[10:37] filip.diloom[2d]: if he is alive at top then sure

[10:38] filip.diloom[2d]: is it ko?

[10:38] Picaresque[4d]: hmmm

[10:38] Picaresque[4d]: looking bad for b

[10:38] Picaresque[4d]: :(

[10:39] hypergeometric[5k]: the top group looks super alive no ?

Move 114

[10:40] Pond Turtle[2d]: I don't think black can hold it if he tries to kill locally

Move 116

[10:41] bartosz[?]: what is t5?

Move 119

[10:41] Picaresque[4d]: timesuji

Move 123

[10:49] ronin3[1k]: this move reminds me of alphago game 1

Move 126

[10:50] 林峻希[22k]: black is about to run out of time

[10:50] atelierorni[?]: I dont know how this game works

[10:50] atelierorni[?]: someone pls explain

[10:50] 林峻希[22k]: umm

[10:50] atelierorni[?]: ;_; I am trying to understand but I am dumb

[10:51] 林峻希[22k]: accept friend request

[10:51] 林峻希[22k]: so i can teach u sometime

[10:51] death_taxes[1k]: now w +8

[10:51] ronin3[1k]: this is a very high level game, it's harder to get the gist of it, you're not dumb don't worry :-)

Move 127

[10:52] fightyoats[4d]: well, you might still be dumb

[10:52] fightyoats[4d]: just not because of that

Move 129

[10:52] benjben[7k]: hahahaha

Move 130

[10:52] death_taxes[1k]: http://playgo.to/iwtg/en/

[10:52] filosofen[4k]: Haha be nice

[10:52] atelierorni[?]: haha dw

[10:52] death_taxes[1k]: check this link if you want to learn

[10:52] atelierorni[?]: it is the truth

[10:52] atelierorni[?]: (:

[10:52] atelierorni[?]: thanks

[10:52] Hokutose[5d]: Variation: 1

[10:52] atelierorni[?]: appreciate it

[10:52] death_taxes[1k]: very friendly intro

[10:52] atelierorni[?]: are these players russian by any chance?

[10:52] Pond Turtle[2d]: that link actually won't run on most modern browsers well anymore

[10:53] Pond Turtle[2d]: Ilya is

[10:53] atelierorni[?]: ilya is a pretty russian name right

[10:53] atelierorni[?]: right

[10:53] ronin3[1k]: yes, good job

Move 131

[10:53] Pond Turtle[2d]: same course, remade

[10:53] Pond Turtle[2d]: https://www.learn-go.net/

Move 132

[10:53] atelierorni[?]: thanks! :D

[10:53] atelierorni[?]: imma practice

[10:53] atelierorni[?]: and git gud

[10:54] 林峻希[22k]: Variation: 2

[10:54] death_taxes[1k]: b needs a miracle to turn this now

[10:54] Pond Turtle[2d]: That's pretty DDK-like shape on the left, typical of modern go lol

[10:54] death_taxes[1k]: w+10 and less than 1min

Move 133

[10:55] 林峻希[22k]: ya...

[10:55] liquid[6d]: black in big trouble

Move 134

[10:55] 林峻希[22k]: yup

Move 135

[10:55] liquid[6d]: black aiming to cut

Move 136

[10:56] Kamakiri[1k]: Here comes the E7

[10:56] liquid[6d]: does it work?

[10:56] ronin3[1k]: maybe E9

Move 137

[10:56] ronin3[1k]: neither heads nor tails.. coin landed on its side

[10:57] 林峻希[22k]: Variation: 3

[10:57] WaterDancer[4d]: now the cut works, or b lives, no ?

[10:57] death_taxes[1k]: now w+4

Move 138

[10:57] death_taxes[1k]: E9 is trouble

Move 142

[10:58] 林峻希[22k]: rlly

[10:58] Pond Turtle[2d]: woah

[10:58] hypergeometric[5k]: b lost no

[10:58] 林峻希[22k]: w+1.5

[10:58] yong_ha_ko[10k]: salut

Move 144

[10:59] Fidonc[7k]: Variation: who is die???

[10:59] Fidonc[7k]: wow

[10:59] Pond Turtle[2d]: what a mess

[10:59] 林峻希[22k]: b+2.5

Move 145

[10:59] 林峻希[22k]: omg

[10:59] martin97[5d]: I dont understand why they chose such a short time setting for grand prix...

[10:59] 林峻希[22k]: b is catching up

[11:00] Kamakiri[1k]: Because it's a race :D

[11:00] death_taxes[1k]: plz stop with ths scor mr 25k, your numbers are wrong

[11:00] xiaodaiboy[1d]: for live viewing

[11:00] isibboi[5k]: ilya might have played too fast again. There was that one game between the two...

[11:00] Fidonc[7k]: black live

[11:00] Fidonc[7k]: ??

[11:00] 林峻希[22k]: w+7.5

[11:01] 林峻希[22k]: but black prob timeout

[11:01] Kamakiri[1k]: I think Ilya is waiting for Ali to have some time

[11:01] isibboi[5k]: You mean Ilya does not want to give Ali any time to think?

[11:01] death_taxes[1k]: w+15 here just for the record after >7k playouts

[11:01] Fidonc[7k]: Variation: wow

[11:01] Nick_R[?]: I don't think black can live there. Will be hard to kill white there

Move 146

[11:02] Fidonc[7k]: Variation: live

[11:02] Hokutose[5d]: Variation: 4

Move 148

[11:02] Kamakiri[1k]: No the exact opposite

[11:02] Kamakiri[1k]: Ilya is taking his time so Ali will also have time to think

Move 151

[11:03] Nick_R[?]: nvm

[11:03] cfisher[4d]: painfull life

[11:03] Kamakiri[1k]: Not so painful since G9 is almost a must

[11:03] liquid[6d]: black is still in big trouble -_-

Move 152

[11:03] Hokutose[5d]: Variation: 5

[11:03] Kamakiri[1k]: Oh

[11:03] martin97[5d]: b cannot run with the two stones

Move 155

[11:03] ronin3[1k]: b: challenge accepted :-)

[11:04] isibboi[5k]: hehe :D

Move 156

[11:04] martin97[5d]: ah i forgot j6

[11:04] Kamakiri[1k]: Variation: How about that

[11:04] martin97[5d]: but then there is no point to rescuing the stones

[11:05] Kamakiri[1k]: Why though?

Move 157

[11:05] liquid[6d]: E9 disconecting stones

[11:05] martin97[5d]: in your var w will play 6 at 7

Move 161

[11:05] martin97[5d]: e9 cuts two living groups

[11:05] Harlock77[7k]: double atari

Move 167

[11:06] martin97[5d]: gg

Move 168

[11:06] Fidonc[7k]: hum back have big corner?

Move 170

[11:06] Fidonc[7k]: black

Move 174

[11:07] martin97[5d]: black is dying everywhere

[11:07] Jolly River[5k]: white has a big top

[11:07] Fidonc[7k]: yeah

[11:07] Harlock77[7k]: Variation: Dangerous cut

[11:07] Nick_R[?]: biggest trade i've seen in a while

[11:07] cfisher[4d]: b must live inside

[11:08] death_taxes[1k]: now b+4...

[11:08] death_taxes[1k]: there is the miracle

[11:08] Yaka_Go[5d]: Black is favored now on my machine :-o

[11:08] isibboi[5k]: lol

[11:08] death_taxes[1k]: ilya blitzing with 25min on the clock

[11:08] death_taxes[1k]: ...

[11:08] Kamakiri[1k]: But black has to live with C13

[11:08] hypergeometric[5k]: wow

[11:08] Yaka_Go[5d]: yeah not decided at all

[11:08] isibboi[5k]: Maybe he just wants to play three games against Ali

[11:08] hypergeometric[5k]: Ali will win he can live with C13 no

Move 175

[11:08] gasana[5d]: go Ali!

[11:08] hypergeometric[5k]: Ali will win IF he can live with C13

[11:08] Harlock77[7k]: Variation: Strengthen the top

[11:09] hypergeometric[5k]: Harlock this is still dead

[11:09] Kamakiri[1k]: Harlock, starting with M16 instead of L15 is better

[11:09] Kamakiri[1k]: Variation: Like this

[11:10] Harlock77[7k]: right

[11:10] Whirly[1d]: seems the same

[11:10] Kamakiri[1k]: Yeah probably

[11:10] carot[2k]: Ilya often plays very fast

[11:10] Kamakiri[1k]: But just better :D

[11:10] Kamakiri[1k]: I think Vital Point is A13

[11:11] Kamakiri[1k]: But it also allow lots of sente moves for black to live

[11:11] martin97[5d]: b13 seems like a move

[11:12] cfisher[4d]: E13

[11:12] Nikonogo[3d]: I agree, B 13

[11:12] death_taxes[1k]: L12 is the move, A13 B13 doesn't even appear in the recomendations

[11:12] Nikonogo[3d]: threatens to destroy both eyes

Move 176

[11:13] pdjordjevic[6k]: $*!%

[11:13] death_taxes[1k]: !

Move 177

[11:13] pdjordjevic[6k]: lol, the word darn got censored

[11:13] death_taxes[1k]: if only ilya stops blitzing all the time..

[11:13] pdjordjevic[6k]: could ilya have killed A7 group?

[11:13] 林峻希[22k]: Variation: 6

Move 178

[11:14] Here We Go[1k]: good one

Move 179

[11:15] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: :D

Move 180

[11:15] Nikonogo[3d]: yes B13

Move 181

[11:15] cpt_amundsen[6k]: can L11 group survive?

Move 182

[11:16] Whirly[1d]: no

Move 184

[11:16] Here We Go[1k]: these time settings are mad

[11:16] MuYu[7k]: it is very big

Move 188

[11:17] Nikonogo[3d]: gg

[11:17] martin97[5d]: why didnt b exchange h10 before k11? now there is j11

[11:17] Nikonogo[3d]: black lost

Move 189

[11:17] Whirly[1d]: haaa????

[11:17] Harlock77[7k]: Very good

[11:17] siinsticker@yahoo.com[1k]: yes

[11:17] Whirly[1d]: why h10...

Move 190

[11:18] death_taxes[1k]: b still ahead

[11:18] Nikonogo[3d]: there is a throwin

[11:18] Nikonogo[3d]: killing the H11 stones

[11:18] Nikonogo[3d]: if no H10

[11:18] Whirly[1d]: ah um right...

Move 191

[11:18] Harlock77[7k]: Variation: Cut