Game Finished

Move 331

Lukan[?]

92 points

Palko[2p]

112.5 points

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

White wins by 20.5 points

Reviews

Jr4yA[5d] - view

Lukan[?] - view

Welvang[1p] - view

Move 0

January 24, 2021

[15:02] Lukan[?]: peknou partii!

[15:02] Palko[2p]: peknu hru

Move 6

[15:07] Zaphodian[?]: lots of good moves now

[15:07] JN_T21[?]: Go go Lukan!

[15:08] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: choice is your highway to mistakes

[15:08] Celebrir[2d]: 3x 3-3 This looks interesting :)

[15:08] Celebrir[2d]: I would go for C I think

Move 10

[15:12] Celebrir[2d]: 1 of 10 moves not on 3rd line... Both trying to be solid to fight heavy later?

Move 12

[15:13] Mrrr[2d]: maybe they are just bored of early invasions of san san

Move 14

[15:14] OndraKruml[?]: this game was nigiri? I guess lukan would have prefered white

Move 15

[15:15] Kamakiri[1k]: I really hate this hane

Move 18

[15:18] Welvang[1p]: not sure, he just won in a very convincing manner with black

Move 19

[15:19] nuborn[?]: Go Go Lukan!

Move 20

[15:22] Welvang[3d]: Review: ##603097

Move 22

[15:23] Saddharmapundarika[7k]: n3 or n4 or in the area, seemed more urgent to pressure black

Move 32

[15:29] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i see 2 weak groups for white already >____>

[15:30] B2 Bomber[2d]: black's shape is thin in the top so probably fine

[15:31] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: yeah im sure palko has a plan here ^^

[15:31] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: it just looks scary xD

[15:31] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: and something i've been told to not do ^^

Move 34

[15:33] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ahh ko, of course

Move 35

[15:34] TomiP[3d]: Go is a bit like art, it's supposed to look good till you're really good in it, then you can do whatever you want

[15:35] torbg[2k]: wisdom :)

Move 38

[15:36] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hahah

Move 42

[15:40] Welvang[1p]: I'm gonna start the commentary on twitch !

[15:40] Welvang[1p]: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation

Move 44

[15:41] kaskai[?]: how many accounts you have? one is 2p, another is 1p, third is 2k,.. ^^

Move 46

[15:42] shinuito[1d]: probably the server maintenance being funny

Move 47

[15:43] Coorchac[1k]: the moves are so good that Welvang is getting power from them

Move 50

[15:50] OndraKruml[?]: i think that b doesnt feel so good here

Move 52

[15:52] Saddharmapundarika[7k]: black needs to build up kos

[15:52] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: first impression

Move 55

[15:54] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B is daring White to start a ko later

Move 56

[15:55] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: defending while attacking or vice versa

Move 58

[15:57] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: tight way of defending

Move 61

[16:00] The Treeman[3k]: prefer black

Move 62

[16:01] The Treeman[3k]: When can European go players get a world champion?

[16:02] Zaphodian[?]: 20-30 more years

Move 64

[16:03] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: yeah..europe will be chinese then :-P

[16:03] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: peep is timely

[16:03] Mrrr[2d]: true :-D

[16:04] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Before connecting

Move 68

[16:08] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: attempt to punish

[16:08] Whirly[1d]: "20-30 more years" seems very optimistic

Move 69

[16:09] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, it's a proper attitude

[16:09] death_taxes[1k]: probably never

[16:10] Zaphodian[?]: Maybe never. But the Japanese and Chinese have become good at chess, too.

Move 70

[16:10] Zaphodian[?]: O9 is a vital point for cutting

[16:10] death_taxes[1k]: not the Japanese

[16:11] The Treeman[3k]: Go is way harder than chess right?

[16:11] Zaphodian[?]: not yet top level, but compared to 20 years ago, a vast difference

[16:11] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, I think chess is a fairly simple game.

[16:12] death_taxes[1k]: the Japanese also are not totally strangers to chess, because they have shogi, there is no equivalent game in west for go

[16:12] Whirly[1d]: but it doesn't matter alot because top level is top level

[16:12] Whirly[1d]: in both games

[16:13] The Treeman[3k]: How large is the gap now between the best European go player and a go world champion?

Move 71

[16:13] The Treeman[3k]: like Ke jie

[16:13] Saddharmapundarika[7k]: s11 work for black?

[16:14] death_taxes[1k]: 3 stones?

Move 73

[16:14] The Treeman[3k]: maybe

Move 74

[16:14] Zaphodian[?]: About 2 stones

[16:15] Zaphodian[?]: 30 years ago it was 3-4 stones. I know because I lost to Sakata with 3H.

[16:15] martin97[5d]: wasnt there a match between a european pro and a world champion some years ago with some handicap?

[16:15] bobsof[2d]: You played a god!

[16:15] martin97[5d]: I think it was Ke Jie

Move 75

[16:16] death_taxes[1k]: 30y ago Sakata was reallt old

Move 76

[16:16] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, I worked in Sakata's Go-lounge.

Move 78

[16:16] Zaphodian[?]: It was in 1982 to be exact, so 39 years ago. sorry

Move 79

[16:17] bobsof[2d]: Sneaking in bits of knowledge here and there.

[16:17] Zaphodian[?]: Sakata had just taken his 62nd title when he was 62 years old.

[16:17] The Treeman[3k]: Ke jie once played 2H unofficial games with Chinese professional go players(like 5p) and he won

[16:17] bobsof[2d]: No wonder you got so strong.

[16:18] bobsof[2d]: Nice memories for sure.

[16:18] Zaphodian[?]: No relation. I was European Champ already. I played just 1 game with Sakata.

[16:18] bobsof[2d]: Still nice.

[16:18] Zaphodian[?]: After that I became an insei and that's when I became 1-2 stones stronger.

[16:19] Zaphodian[?]: I guess Ke Jie is at least 1 stone stronger than Sakata ever was.

Move 80

[16:19] The Treeman[3k]: Yea, plus the help of AI

[16:19] OndraKruml[?]: this is looking dim for Czech fans

[16:20] The Treeman[3k]: Those top go players really immitate AI sytle

[16:20] The Treeman[3k]: almost all game with san san invaasion

[16:20] Whirly[1d]: that's only the opening

[16:21] Whirly[1d]: they still have distinct styles

[16:21] Whirly[1d]: ke jie for example is extremely territorial

[16:21] The Treeman[3k]: ke jie territorial?

[16:21] death_taxes[1k]: most are

[16:22] Giomillsy[19k]: is 2p second dan pro?

[16:22] Zaphodian[?]: Ke Jie is territorial but also very flexible.

Move 81

[16:22] Zaphodian[?]: Yes 2p is pro

Move 82

[16:22] The Treeman[3k]: Ke jie is really good at making the game complex

Move 85

[16:23] Zaphodian[?]: I am good at making the game complex but only for myself.

[16:23] Giomillsy[19k]: im good at losing

Move 86

[16:23] Zaphodian[?]: bragging has become a national sport

[16:24] The Treeman[3k]: the LG final is in about seven days

[16:25] The Treeman[3k]: I wish Ke jie could win this

[16:25] Zaphodian[?]: He got eliminated, right?

[16:25] The Treeman[3k]: LG cup? nope

Move 87

[16:26] The Treeman[3k]: The semi final Ke jie vs 卞相壹 was really excited

[16:27] The Treeman[3k]: Ke jie made his dead dragon live during the game

[16:27] Zaphodian[?]: Hmm, Ahh, I mixed it up with the Chunlan Cup,

Move 88

[16:29] The Treeman[3k]: yea. he lost to 唐 a few days ago

Move 91

[16:31] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, Tang Weixing

[16:32] The Treeman[3k]: I thought Ke jie could save his dragon in that game.

[16:32] Zaphodian[?]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ0Y6GBesTM

[16:33] The Treeman[3k]: Tang is a really strange player. He performs great vs stronge player.

Move 93

[16:33] Zaphodian[?]: Maybe he is completely psyched up

[16:34] The Treeman[3k]: haha .yea. he is a world champion afterall

[16:35] Zaphodian[?]: Of course, he has the skills. Maybe 50 players have the skills, but the decisive factor could be your mental state.

Move 98

[16:36] The Treeman[3k]: yea. But I feel sorry for Lian xiao, he could have won that game vs Shin

Move 104

[16:38] Zaphodian[?]: This game, you mean http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/94980

[16:38] The Treeman[3k]: yea

[16:39] The Treeman[3k]: controversal move 146

[16:39] OndraKruml[?]: I guess b can tenuki now? something around f4

Move 105

[16:39] code9[5d]: B needs to do somthing

[16:39] OndraKruml[?]: cool

Move 106

[16:42] code9[5d]: To be to aggressive will kill the left group

[16:42] OndraKruml[?]: But then the other groups will suffer, feels like black wont get a breather this game

Move 118

[16:50] Zaphodian[?]: Yup, the law of preservation of misery

Move 119

[16:52] Zaphodian[?]: B is trying to make the best of a hopeless situation - he lost all fear.

Move 130

[16:59] Saddharmapundarika[7k]: nows the time for ko fights if b has any chance of making it close

Move 135

[17:02] OndřejKachyňa[?]: w+6 +-

Move 150

[17:12] JanSimara[?]: gg

Move 155

[17:14] kaskai[?]: good luck Tang in your game

Move 242

[17:42] Mardipaev[4d]: this should not be a ko

[17:42] Qinglong[1d]: A15 works

[17:42] Qinglong[1d]: for white

[17:42] Mardipaev[4d]: yes

Move 246

[17:43] Mardipaev[4d]: still works if black ignores this threat

Move 295

[17:48] Mardipaev[4d]: M17 is also nice for white

Move 298

[17:48] dlpigozzi[4k]: resign

Move 308

[17:51] Welvang[1p]: wait palko is trying to see if l19 is worth 1/12 of a point or 1/13

Move 312

[17:51] Zaphodian[?]: lol

Move 317

[17:51] dlpigozzi[4k]: hehe

Move 319

[17:51] Welvang[1p]: and then he plays q10

Move 321

[17:51] Zaphodian[?]: T19 loses something

[17:51] death_taxes[1k]: when are u playing Tang?

Move 324

[17:52] Welvang[1p]: when they finish

Move 331

[17:52] alte_hippe[3k]: gg

[17:52] S_Alexander[3d]: gg

[17:52] Lukan[?]: diky!

[17:52] Palko[2p]: dik

[17:52] kaskai[?]: gg

[17:52] robertmehl[14k]: gg

[17:53] Lukan[?]: Review: ##603169

[17:53] shinuito[1d]: gg

[17:53] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: gg!

January 25, 2021

[10:49] Jr4yA[5d]: Review: ##603579