Move 288
92 points
79.5 points
Unranked
Rules: Japanese
Black wins by 12.5 points
Move 0
January 26, 2021
[17:13] Palko[2p]: have a nice game
[17:13] roln90[3p]: have a nice game
Move 2
[17:14] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i expect dual 3-3's from palko again xd
Move 3
[17:14] lobon15058[7k]: They are the professional go chess players
Move 4
[17:14] lobon15058[7k]: no?
[17:14] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: yeah, european professionals
[17:15] Celebrir[2d]: Not that difficult to predict KoBa xD
[17:15] Celebrir[2d]: But I like that he sticks to his styele
[17:15] lobon15058[6k]: its normal?
[17:15] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: its normal for palko xd
[17:15] Celebrir[2d]: for him personally it is :)
Move 5
[17:15] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: he has played dual 3-3's for the last half a year or so
[17:16] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: black is arguably the strongest european pro, and white is the best at making the entire board as huge crazy fight
[17:17] jthat[2k]: hello everyone
[17:17] lobon15058[6k]: maybe it will be exciting
[17:17] Celebrir[2d]: Hi jthat
[17:17] Tonsor[?]: Hi guys, in what type of competition do they compete right now?
Move 6
[17:17] liquid[6d]: Go
[17:17] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: its european grand prix finale -tournament, this is semi-final game https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html
[17:17] Tonsor[?]: thx!
[17:18] Kamakiri[1d]: Does Palko also plays double san-san's when he is black?
[17:18] liquid[6d]: yes
[17:19] lobon15058[6k]: two 3-3 looks so weird
[17:20] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i know right xD
Move 7
[17:21] liquid[6d]: its all for fighting
[17:21] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: but 3-3's are super solid and hard to attack, so palko can take the fight on his opponents area
[17:21] lobon15058[6k]: i see
Move 8
[17:22] lobon15058[6k]: fight on opponents area is better than fight on you self area?
Move 10
[17:22] lobon15058[6k]: or same
[17:23] Celebrir[2d]: it's a question of personal preferance
[17:23] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: would you rather make a mess in your own home, or on your neighbors home?
[17:23] lobon15058[6k]: i understand
[17:23] lobon15058[6k]: neighbor haha
[17:24] Celebrir[2d]: I think of it more like do you prefer to run with your groups or do you prefer to make others run?
Move 11
[17:24] lobon15058[6k]: but fight at my home i know where all the weapons hide
Move 17
[17:25] lobon15058[6k]: but spoiler its just the kitchen because i dont have weapons so i guess i can find the weapon at neighbors home too
Move 18
[17:25] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hahaha
[17:27] lobon15058[6k]: 83 people watching this game. is a lot
[17:27] powpow7013[8k]: epik
[17:27] powpow7013[8k]: how to maik a variation
[17:28] powpow7013[8k]: im confuse
[17:28] Celebrir[2d]: Go into the analyse mode, make a variation and then publish it with the button under the variation tree
[17:29] JanGret[9k]: Thd earlier game with Stsnis vs Aftem had 280+ watching
[17:29] Celebrir[2d]: I don't have the exact words because I don't use the english version of this side
[17:29] lobon15058[6k]: oh my god
[17:29] liquid[6d]: because it was during working hours
Move 19
[17:30] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: looks like they forgot to put the banner up this time >__<
[17:30] JanGret[9k]: People T
Move 22
[17:31] powpow7013[8k]: yay I joined a tournament
[17:31] powpow7013[8k]: it has 2 people
[17:31] powpow7013[8k]: why isnt it starting
[17:31] powpow7013[8k]: xD
Move 23
[17:31] JanGret[9k]: Tend to slowly come in over time
Move 26
[17:32] liquid[6d]: and yet another ko
[17:32] liquid[6d]: from palko
[17:32] liquid[6d]: :D
[17:32] powpow7013[8k]: ko fite
[17:33] powpow7013[8k]: lmao 91 people in this room now
Move 28
[17:35] kendfrey[10k]: there is the banner, now people will come
[17:35] powpow7013[8k]: :O
Move 29
[17:36] Kamakiri[1d]: Variation: This is absurd but playable in my kyu games...
Move 31
[17:37] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: thats the power of 3-3 stones, you can ignore the first attack against them ^^
[17:37] Pepperroom17[?]: ;-;
Move 32
[17:38] JanGret[9k]: I know this is the semifinal for the grand prix. But what is the winner of tbe grand prix winning? Just bragging rights?
[17:38] powpow7013[8k]: pros
[17:38] Pepperroom17[?]: I suppose
[17:38] powpow7013[8k]: probs*
[17:38] powpow7013[8k]: xD
[17:39] Welvang[1p]: Bonus points, points for going to eastern tournaments, pro points to improve, money, honor&fame, for example
[17:39] powpow7013[8k]: :O ok
[17:39] MuYu[8k]: The one who wins nothing happens to him, the others are punished
Move 35
[17:40] Welvang[1p]: I'll comment this game in something like 10-15 minutes
[17:40] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: and admiration by all others :)
[17:40] Welvang[1p]: they started late
[17:40] Welvang[1p]: but they play fast
[17:41] kendfrey[10k]: I'll see you on EGF twitch I presume?
[17:41] lobon15058[6k]: This gives me a headache because I feel like I am going to snap!
Move 36
Move 37
[17:41] lobon15058[6k]: Of course then the phone rings and I end up talking to that person for 5 min then the next call I get is 10 min and the next call is 30 minutes after that.
Move 38
[17:41] lobon15058[6k]: I just think that I am giving myself too much to do in one day. I do need to get laundry going, the dishwasher emptying, vacuuming, and dusting.
Move 39
[17:42] lobon15058[6k]: But I also need to get dinner cooked and I really need to stop by my parents house and give them the clothes that are in my dryer, which are only partially dried
[17:42] lobon15058[6k]: so as you can see
Move 41
[17:42] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: lobon.. when your'done with that you can continue at my house
[17:42] Russian[5d]: Variation: fight begin
[17:42] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: just the smae tasks
Move 43
[17:43] Toei[3k]: volker lol
Move 45
[17:44] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hmm pincer the F17 group now?
[17:44] lobon15058[6k]: If i work at your house youll have to go up stairs to get my food, or pick it up.
[17:44] lobon15058[6k]: I do the rest of the work downstairs.
Move 46
[17:44] lobon15058[6k]: Sorry, been on a lot of antibiotics.
[17:44] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: called it \o/
[17:44] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: i have Chili con carne ready. just needs to be heated
[17:44] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: i cooked it yesterda so today it's even better
[17:45] lobon15058[6k]: I just needed to let this off my chest. Maybe I dont need anyone to read it and be upset or something.
[17:45] lobon15058[6k]: (I do have some whores that I'll write to.. just kidding..)
[17:45] paintcan[4d]: this is just like kgs
[17:45] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: lobon i assume that was a typo xd
[17:45] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: i do NOT assue that was a typo =)
[17:46] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: *assume
[17:46] Toei[3k]: now thats a typo
[17:46] taviandir[3k]: bless you, lobon
[17:46] OGA937[2k]: B will conterpincer
[17:46] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: right Toei
[17:47] JanGret[9k]: Good thing we care more about lobons shores the the game
[17:47] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: first of all i care about my beer after a long day at the homeoffice
[17:47] Pepperroom17[?]: O.O
[17:48] taviandir[3k]: without kibitz, Go isnt fun
Move 47
[17:48] taviandir[3k]: are they playing this match here on OGS or is this a relay?
[17:49] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: this is the match
[17:49] JanGret[9k]: Here
[17:49] taviandir[3k]: ok cool!
[17:49] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: liave and in color... or b/w... :)
[17:49] JanGret[9k]: M17 and build the base?
Move 50
[17:50] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: who needs a base ehwn you can have ko?
[17:50] kendfrey[10k]: pal"ko" really living up to his name
[17:50] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: oh wait, this isnt ko >__<
[17:51] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: ok, probably couple of seonds =)
[17:52] wooolf[5k]: 'live' commentary after the game?
[17:53] lobon15058[6k]: dead commentary
[17:53] wooolf[5k]: : )
[17:53] kendfrey[10k]: wait why is Welvang [2k] all of a sudden
[17:54] pt8o[4d]: anyone commentating on stream? I don't see anything on Twitch
Move 51
[17:55] lobon15058[6k]: if you click the name it says 1p. must be bug
[17:55] BHydden[4k]: chat displays pro ranks weirdly for some reason
[17:55] DrSparkle713[5k]: European Go Federation on Twitch. I think commentary hasn't started yet.
[17:56] Celebrir[2d]: They'll start the commentary at the link above in a few minutes I believe
[17:56] kendfrey[10k]: I expect it to start in the next few minutes
Move 52
[17:56] Celebrir[2d]: Welvang already started the rezension he will be using
[17:56] lobon15058[6k]: They are slow. Slow like christmas to be live
[17:56] Celebrir[2d]: Stream started :)
Move 53
[17:57] Celebrir[2d]: (but waiting screen for now :( )
[17:57] B2 Bomber[2d]: making W overconcentrated
[17:57] taviandir[3k]: B didnt lose much from the J17 pincer
[17:57] lobon15058[6k]: it is snowing. should i eat som instant noodles
Move 56
[17:59] kendfrey[10k]: looks difficult for white now
Move 57
[17:59] powpow7013[9k]: I left for a while-
Move 58
[17:59] powpow7013[9k]: and came back
[17:59] lobon15058[6k]: welcome home powpow
[17:59] powpow7013[9k]: xD
[17:59] Kamakiri[1k]: Black will probably ignore this one since white is already secure and answering is gote
[17:59] lobon15058[6k]: 230 people here. we are happy family
[18:00] SloMoFoGo[12k]: Aye
[18:00] Celebrir[2d]: Something to reinforce top right now?
Move 59
[18:00] Pepperroom17[?]: As we should be lobon LOL
Move 63
[18:00] Rakoon[11k]: What does "gote" mean?
[18:00] AkiraToya325[10k]: Lose sente
[18:01] Pepperroom17[?]: slang gote or like the word itself?
[18:01] Celebrir[2d]: your opponent has the next move/decision where to play on a global scale
[18:01] Pepperroom17[?]: ^
[18:01] Rakoon[11k]: ok thanks ;)
[18:01] paintcan[4d]: tenuki is always an option
[18:01] ben0[4d]: That is one ugly looking game
[18:01] paintcan[4d]: black made a bunch of shredded shapes
[18:02] Welvang[1p]: come and comment in the twitch chat wiht me ben :)
[18:02] Welvang[1p]: that will be a fun one
[18:02] dacat1[7d]: hello there
[18:02] tzaqyeudukko[10k]: pepperroom, not slang gote, the japanese translate of gote senseis: Gote
[18:02] dacat1[7d]: party going on
[18:02] dacat1[7d]: i see
[18:02] DrSparkle713[5k]: What are time controls on these?
[18:02] Free Tibet[2k]: O17
[18:02] JanGret[9k]: Fischer time
[18:02] Kamakiri[1k]: I feel like R12 will be the safest option?
[18:03] JanGret[9k]: +20s for every move
[18:04] Free Tibet[2k]: senseis: gote
[18:04] trohde[4k]: Tanguy’s live commentary: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
[18:04] Free Tibet[2k]: senseis: Gote
[18:05] taviandir[3k]: Free Tibet.exe has stopped working
[18:06] claire yang[7d]: @Pepperroom17 what is the slang word gote means, not in the context of Go
[18:06] OndraKruml[?]: im big fan and hope friend of Palko, but he started to play the type of go i hate the most :D
Move 65
[18:06] OndraKruml[?]: so time for me to change the type of go I like I guess
[18:06] hypergeometric[5k]: is Q11 good ?
[18:06] hypergeometric[5k]: as an answer
[18:06] Pepperroom17[?]: ^^
[18:06] hypergeometric[5k]: or maybe it gives a base to W too easily
[18:07] 29MCA47.[3k]: q11 too soft i guess
[18:07] tzaqyeudukko[10k]: @Free Tibet.exe rebooted xD
[18:08] OndraKruml[?]: p9 looks good to me
Move 66
[18:08] OndraKruml[?]: but nah, lets crawl some more :D
[18:08] Pepperroom17[?]: :P
[18:08] lobon15058[6k]: This reminds me of a little over a year ago when we did the same thing except it was at my parent's house.
[18:08] lobon15058[6k]: Owen was not nearly as easy to put down (probably because he was not the youngest or the most willing to participate) and Dylan left a little wine glass full of high - quality banana milkshake syrup under my pillow.
[18:08] lobon15058[6k]: I found it the next morning and was not a happy camper. LOL
Move 67
[18:10] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: Variation: how many groups on the board? i count 9
[18:10] Kamakiri[1k]: 1 and 9 are almost the same
Move 68
[18:10] Kamakiri[1k]: They are gonna be hard to split
Move 70
[18:11] powpow7013[9k]: Variation: how to make variation- oh wait nvm I got it
[18:11] tzaqyeudukko[10k]: a huge fight is coming?
[18:12] breakfast[3p]: D3 - so slow. Was better to defend on the right
[18:13] lobon15058[6k]: how many pros in the EGF?
[18:13] nidza[?]: s2 - q7 looks good for white too
[18:13] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: lobon 7
[18:14] lobon15058[6k]: what about AGA?
Move 71
[18:15] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: about the same, i'm not 100% sure
[18:15] lobon15058[6k]: so few
[18:15] lobon15058[6k]: but go is not so popular there i guess
[18:15] kendfrey[10k]: AGA website lists 5
[18:16] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: and also there's about 6-7 europeans who have become pros in asia before there was egf pro system, like breakfast
Move 74
[18:18] BHydden[4k]: wow that's cool I wasn't aware any europeans had passed the asian pro exams
[18:18] Pond Turtle[2d]: Well there is Ten
[18:18] Pond Turtle[2d]: Svetlana Shikshina
[18:18] Pond Turtle[2d]: and probably some others I can't remember right now
[18:19] Pond Turtle[2d]: also wheee, this game - what a slapping contest
[18:19] BHydden[4k]: oh wow I thought Ten was an EGF pro there you go :) TMYK
[18:19] ronin3[1k]: Taranu, an example from older gen
Move 76
[18:21] claire yang[7d]: Diana Koszegi and Mariya Zakharchenko two women in korean pro
[18:23] Pond Turtle[2d]: So hard to tell who is ahead in this game
[18:23] Pond Turtle[2d]: but I would take black
[18:23] lobon15058[6k]: I like black
[18:23] hypergeometric[5k]: can B kill the two white stones ?
[18:23] ronin3[1k]: kill the two birds with one stone
[18:24] ronin3[1k]: no, wait
[18:24] hypergeometric[5k]: :D
[18:24] tymak[2d]: do we know something about Zakharchenko? Seems like she become pro out of nowhere and nobody in Europe really knows about her
[18:24] lobon15058[6k]: kill the two stones with one bird
[18:24] kendfrey[10k]: a stone in the hand is worth two on the board
[18:24] kendfrey[10k]: wait wrong proverb
[18:25] AkiraToya325[10k]: A bird in hand?
[18:25] kendfrey[10k]: :)
Move 77
[18:26] lobon15058[6k]: someone quick make me some food. im hungry :(
[18:26] AkiraToya325[10k]: Catch a bird
[18:26] ronin3[1k]: make a hang sandwich
[18:26] lobon15058[6k]: i dont have a stone to kill it with
[18:26] PolloLoco[5k]: No no, bird makes you sandwich
[18:26] PolloLoco[5k]: don't kill, they are friends
Move 78
[18:27] Stormwolf[2k]: can white pull this off?
Move 79
[18:27] PolloLoco[5k]: he sure likes to live dangerously
[18:27] ronin3[1k]: yes, 5 bucks say he can
Move 81
[18:28] Stormwolf[2k]: but isn't he gonna be in a situation where he just lives while black makes cash?
[18:29] ronin3[1k]: D13 makes it difficult to take cash in the center
Move 85
[18:29] SloMoFoGo[12k]: Oh wow
[18:29] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I like black now
[18:30] SloMoFoGo[12k]: I left for a bit, decent looking invasion but white on the right side is it promising?
[18:30] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: puts bet on
Move 86
[18:30] Stormwolf[2k]: ouch
Move 88
[18:31] ronin3[1k]: gotta admire how these players treat stones as expendable
[18:31] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: black needs a move in the centre now
[18:32] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: like.... h10
Move 89
[18:32] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: f14 is ok
[18:32] SloMoFoGo[12k]: What do u mean? @ronin3
[18:33] ronin3[1k]: how he dropped L17 K17 to their fate, for example
[18:33] ronin3[1k]: earlier F16 same story, but now defended with the jump
[18:34] PolloLoco[5k]: the company looks after the battalion so that the battalion can look after the company
[18:34] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: all stones are cannon foder
[18:34] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: the officers stay at home
[18:34] ronin3[1k]: *insert Edge of Tomorrow quote here*
Move 90
[18:35] lobon15058[6k]: Is a new go chess webiste called color go. do you hear this ?
[18:35] PolloLoco[5k]: history can make us cynical it is true
[18:35] SloMoFoGo[12k]: the company looks after the battalion so that the battalion can look after the company
[18:35] lobon15058[6k]: looks beautiful
[18:35] A Pimp Named Snapback[17k]: Looks like White has been dominating this whole time
Move 91
[18:36] ronin3[1k]: now SFAS happy
[18:36] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: the centre looks big for black
[18:36] ronin3[1k]: (but first move h10 was dubious :P )
[18:36] SloMoFoGo[12k]: A Pimp named billfold
[18:36] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: h10 was just too next level for puny humans
[18:37] ronin3[1k]: basically here white traded safety of the M15 group for the center points and sente
[18:38] ronin3[1k]: the center points aren't that many, btw. less than 15-20 pts
[18:38] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I always overestimate the centre points
[18:38] ronin3[1k]: wonder if W going to poke at L11 now
[18:38] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: thats true
[18:38] ronin3[1k]: or be sneaky around the upper right corner
[18:39] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: upper right needs invading
[18:39] Stormwolf[2k]: can it be invaded though?
[18:39] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: im just a puny 9k
Move 92
[18:40] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: so I would just gues at..... r17
[18:40] CheGuapara[13k]: maybe a little lower probe than l11
[18:40] ronin3[1k]: lol!
[18:40] kendfrey[10k]: we'll find out
[18:40] Stormwolf[2k]: ah, there you go
[18:40] Stormwolf[2k]: you are 2p
[18:40] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: hahaha
[18:40] Daimo[3k]: Haha
Move 93
[18:41] IronEyes[3k]: probably just lets it die, but use the aji to reduce a bunch
[18:41] fatihgo[2d]: reducing the center seems urgent
[18:41] Stormwolf[2k]: i thought that center was where it's at as well
[18:41] ronin3[1k]: i don't think so, there are a million ways to come in
[18:42] hypergeometric[5k]: maybe P18 ?
[18:42] ronin3[1k]: and white can get a free stone by peeping K4 always
[18:42] fatihgo[2d]: black e7 is just huge
[18:42] S_Alexander[3d]: who is leading?
Move 94
[18:42] fatihgo[2d]: even white lives in the corner black can still play e7
[18:43] Stormwolf[2k]: going for a ko variation?
[18:43] ronin3[1k]: wow so crude move
[18:43] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: yeah this looks like a ko ^^
[18:43] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: ha - thats why I thought of it
[18:43] PolloLoco[5k]: savage
[18:43] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I prefer crude
[18:43] ronin3[1k]: if it works it's fine :D
[18:44] ronin3[1k]: is like andrii's empty triangles
[18:44] PolloLoco[5k]: the fighting he wants to make. always brutal with this man
[18:44] Stormwolf[2k]: i'm a great advocate for empty triangles. I think they got an undeserved bad reputation
[18:44] kendfrey[10k]: sente feels very important here to me
[18:45] ronin3[1k]: but they got a whole webcomic tho \o/
[18:45] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I still like h10
[18:46] Stormwolf[2k]: yeah, but black played 2 additional moves at F14 and F12
[18:46] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: which makes it even nicer
[18:46] IronEyes[3k]: h10 now is good, before though it doesn't really do anything
[18:46] Stormwolf[2k]: why not N7?
[18:47] gray1892[10k]: h10 is more aggressive, no?
[18:47] IronEyes[3k]: I guess if you're going to try to build the center you might as well go big
[18:47] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: more ambitious maybe yeah
[18:48] StephenW[1d]: black is pretty far behind territorially
[18:48] Stormwolf[2k]: unless he banks on center, no?
[18:48] gray1892[10k]: way ahead in influence tho
[18:48] StephenW[1d]: he has to at this point
[18:48] gray1892[10k]: center influence, at least
[18:48] kendfrey[10k]: blacks needs a good piece of the centre
[18:49] PolloLoco[5k]: he's taking the time to be prudent
[18:50] hypergeometric[5k]: can you show me the ko variation ?
Move 95
[18:51] bradycrafter10[9k]: hi
[18:51] bobysven19[?]: Hey
[18:51] ronin3[1k]: woow
[18:52] ronin3[1k]: so beauty move!
[18:52] fatihgo[2d]: tenuki is very good here imo
[18:52] gray1892[10k]: yeah that's really beautiful
[18:52] bradycrafter10[9k]: hi
[18:52] bobysven19[?]: How long have they been playing for?
[18:52] bradycrafter10[9k]: IDK
[18:52] ronin3[1k]: 1h30+
[18:52] CarloTibaldi[1d]: almost 2h
[18:52] bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
[18:52] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: Variation: ko
[18:52] Glenura[3d]: ....
[18:52] Glenura[3d]: wow
Move 97
[18:53] Stormwolf[2k]: white needs to come in at some point
[18:53] Stormwolf[2k]: (or does he?)
[18:53] StephenW[1d]: I believe black needs about 20 points in the center
[18:54] Stormwolf[2k]: that's doable
[18:54] kendfrey[10k]: if W can start a big fight maybe he can use the clock to his advantage
[18:54] bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: a real game
[18:55] ronin3[1k]: like in Prince of Persia sand of times
[18:55] OndraKruml[?]: e12
[18:56] bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: a real game I have played before
[18:56] ronin3[1k]: XD
[18:56] bradycrafter10[9k]: XDDD
[18:56] gray1892[10k]: cant e12 get shut out of the center pretty fast?
[18:56] bradycrafter10[9k]: the real game or mine
[18:57] gray1892[10k]: real game lol
Move 98
[18:57] Trollbridge[7k]: m8 should be enough to win
[18:57] bradycrafter10[9k]: it can
[18:57] Trollbridge[7k]: too late
[18:57] Stormwolf[2k]: and now it begins
[18:57] bradycrafter10[9k]: m8 is useless
[18:57] claire yang[7d]: hmm...
[18:57] gray1892[10k]: oh BIG move
[18:57] Trollbridge[7k]: it was perfect before
[18:57] ronin3[1k]: showdown music please
[18:57] bradycrafter10[9k]: how
[18:58] runarberg[4k]: Has B any another option then to kill this invasion?
[18:58] SardishGo[4k]: L9 is great!
[18:58] Stormwolf[2k]: black can accept the reduction
[18:58] ronin3[1k]: no, id play M8
[18:58] Stormwolf[2k]: can't he?
[18:58] Stormwolf[2k]: i'd play J10
[18:58] Trollbridge[7k]: yes, still m8, he can cut this off
[18:58] Stormwolf[2k]: k10
[18:58] fatihgo[2d]: m8 is simple and good
[18:59] bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: a real game I have played before
[18:59] gray1892[10k]: j10 seems safer but sacrifices a dangerous potential for center territory
[18:59] gray1892[10k]: for white center territory*
[18:59] Stormwolf[2k]: M8 is too much of a bet
[18:59] claire yang[7d]: M8 is simple?
[18:59] bradycrafter10[9k]: nah
[19:00] kendfrey[10k]: I think nothing is simple now
[19:00] SardishGo[4k]: B in k10 to save or N( to start battle
[19:00] fatihgo[2d]: actually i would be surprised to see another move, m8 is just perfect
[19:00] bradycrafter10[9k]: m8 is safer he did l9 which sacrificed the center*
[19:00] Trollbridge[7k]: m8 wins the game
[19:00] bradycrafter10[9k]: *he can get easily cut off
[19:00] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: its certainly the obvious move
[19:00] Stormwolf[2k]: i think m8 loses, because white will live
[19:00] gray1892[10k]: doesn't it leave behind a lot of bad aji?
[19:00] bradycrafter10[9k]: IDK
[19:01] bradycrafter10[9k]: he can g3et cut off
Move 99
[19:01] bradycrafter10[9k]: yet
[19:01] bakogo[10k]: I like k9 it's a doggie
[19:01] bradycrafter10[9k]: yep
[19:01] gray1892[10k]: well there ya go
[19:01] bradycrafter10[9k]: he got cut off
[19:01] gray1892[10k]: a doggie?
[19:01] bradycrafter10[9k]: really hard to survive now
[19:01] ronin3[1k]: called it!
[19:01] IronEyes[3k]: fight to the death
[19:01] Riles Jones[11k]: canine
[19:01] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: now its a huge fight
[19:01] Pond Turtle[2d]: Lol I called it
[19:01] bradycrafter10[9k]: CALLED IT
[19:01] Stormwolf[2k]: i think white will live easily and destroy all black's center
[19:01] bradycrafter10[9k]: no
[19:01] fatihgo[2d]: white is in trouble but i think he will try e7 now
Move 101
[19:01] bradycrafter10[9k]: he is cut he needs to try hard
Move 103
[19:02] claire yang[7d]: fight...
[19:02] StephenW[1d]: white will be fine here
[19:02] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: white needs to live in the centre to win
[19:02] bradycrafter10[9k]: o8?
[19:02] gray1892[10k]: white survives this I think?
[19:02] fatihgo[2d]: n7 was too quick
[19:02] Stormwolf[2k]: white will live.
[19:02] ronin3[1k]: typical Ilya?
[19:03] bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: survived
[19:03] fatihgo[2d]: even if white dies in the center he should save n8
[19:03] Pond Turtle[2d]: Variation: These don't look killable
Move 104
[19:03] bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: survived
[19:03] Pond Turtle[2d]: I wonder what the atari si about
[19:03] bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: survived
Move 105
Move 106
[19:04] bradycrafter10[9k]: you mean white?
Move 107
[19:04] fatihgo[2d]: e7 soon
Move 108
[19:04] bradycrafter10[9k]: e7? why?
Move 109
[19:05] fatihgo[2d]: to reduce the center
[19:05] bradycrafter10[9k]: I know but why over there
[19:05] fatihgo[2d]: but after L8 i am not sure
[19:05] runarberg[4k]: The cut at the star point is starting to worry me
[19:05] SardishGo[4k]: and help the L group
[19:05] bradycrafter10[9k]: why not something like j6
[19:05] fatihgo[2d]: if e7 now white clearly loses points
[19:05] StephenW[1d]: e7 is too small
[19:05] bradycrafter10[9k]: e7 can be cut off
[19:06] StephenW[1d]: black can sacrifice the left side to kill the entire center
Move 110
[19:06] paintcan[4d]: l9 looks plain dead to me
[19:06] StephenW[1d]: if those 5 white stones die, the game is over
[19:06] bradycrafter10[9k]: but then the left side will demolish
Move 111
[19:06] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: nice peep
[19:06] bakogo[10k]: Obv peep
[19:06] SardishGo[4k]: W is looking for space to survive in the center
[19:06] gray1892[10k]: white needs something in the h8/j9 vicinity?
[19:06] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: l11 next obv peep
[19:06] Flo프로[6d]: hard to kill, hard to live
[19:06] bradycrafter10[9k]: that's too much of a forcce
[19:07] ronin3[1k]: i don't think can be so committed. need two ways so black can only block one
[19:07] bradycrafter10[9k]: plus, he can get surrounded
[19:07] ronin3[1k]: but W is also threatening to use D12 and E7 cuts. so there's hope will do something
[19:07] ronin3[1k]: the question is how to do it skilfully
[19:07] bradycrafter10[9k]: d12 and e7 is too slow
[19:07] bradycrafter10[9k]: we need something faster
[19:07] StephenW[1d]: how does g6 look?
[19:07] ronin3[1k]: i'm talking about possibilities, brady
[19:08] bradycrafter10[9k]: umm... too risky
[19:08] bakogo[10k]: Don't you have to follow j5
[19:08] ronin3[1k]: when making a plan you need to take all into account
[19:08] bradycrafter10[9k]: yeah
[19:08] runarberg[4k]: I don’t understand W peep at K5, wouldn’t it be better for W to leave the cut open for exploitation later
[19:08] StephenW[1d]: j5 is too slow
[19:08] gray1892[10k]: I was thinking close to h9, because it gives white more tempo on the group
[19:08] StephenW[1d]: he has to make eye shape
[19:08] gray1892[10k]: but am also obv a trash player lol
[19:08] bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
[19:08] ronin3[1k]: if he just does eyeshape he will die
[19:08] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: white is making room to live in the centre I think
[19:08] bradycrafter10[9k]: I know too slow
[19:08] BostonSong[1k]: I like g6
[19:08] StephenW[1d]: he wont be able to connect to a living group
Move 112
[19:09] ronin3[1k]: ha, almost
[19:09] StephenW[1d]: he can only threaten to do it
[19:09] bradycrafter10[9k]: maybe g6
[19:09] StephenW[1d]: he has to make eyes
[19:09] bradycrafter10[9k]: I know but how?
[19:09] bradycrafter10[9k]: the space is too small
[19:09] paintcan[4d]: somebody once told me the world is going to roln me
[19:09] BostonSong[1k]: and maybe W should exchange at o9 first
[19:09] StephenW[1d]: he didn't think so when he played L9
[19:09] bradycrafter10[9k]: black can easily surround
[19:09] SardishGo[4k]: g7 instead g6 is more flexible for both
[19:09] Pond Turtle[2d]: I love these games, live in center or lose
[19:09] bradycrafter10[9k]: he is low on tme
[19:09] bradycrafter10[9k]: black
[19:09] Pond Turtle[2d]: Reason why I love old Takemia games too
Move 113
[19:09] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: easily surround but not kill
[19:09] ronin3[1k]: not worryingly so
[19:09] bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
[19:10] bradycrafter10[9k]: ok here is the block of e7
[19:10] bradycrafter10[9k]: now no more e7
[19:10] ronin3[1k]: this is pushing W where he does not want
[19:10] bradycrafter10[9k]: I know, right?
Move 114
[19:10] bradycrafter10[9k]: ok... taking control of centre
[19:10] Stormwolf[2k]: i believe in white's capacity to live
[19:10] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: now k5 looks very useful
[19:11] bradycrafter10[9k]: what about black h5
[19:11] bradycrafter10[9k]: what f
[19:11] bradycrafter10[9k]: what if
[19:11] ronin3[1k]: no if B comes in i believe he will from the top
[19:11] bradycrafter10[9k]: ok
[19:11] bradycrafter10[9k]: so B j8
[19:11] Trollbridge[7k]: h8 or j8
[19:11] bradycrafter10[9k]: Sounds hard to block, right
[19:11] IronEyes[3k]: now somewhere around e10 or 11
[19:11] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: perhaps finally h10
Move 115
[19:12] ronin3[1k]: haha ^^
[19:12] bradycrafter10[9k]: maybe
[19:12] runarberg[4k]: The order still feels weird to me. Why K5 peep before tthe G7 extend?
[19:12] bradycrafter10[9k]: oh why f5
Move 117
[19:12] bradycrafter10[9k]: no he is cut from the corners
[19:12] StephenW[1d]: if not f5, w g4 was concerning
[19:12] SardishGo[4k]: f5 wrong - noe W go up nd find 2 eyes
[19:12] Trollbridge[7k]: now B can gouge out the eye space from above
[19:12] bradycrafter10[9k]: I know
[19:12] fatihgo[2d]: h9 good shape here
[19:12] YuraTykhyy[2k]: H9 to surround a big area
[19:12] Trollbridge[7k]: W needs h9
[19:13] bradycrafter10[9k]: j9, j8, h7 needs to be defended
Move 118
[19:13] Trollbridge[7k]: now B h9, white overreached there
[19:13] fatihgo[2d]: black h9 would be like a dagger to the dragon
[19:13] bradycrafter10[9k]: I know right yura
[19:13] Zaphodian[?]: B will play J10 or H9
[19:13] bradycrafter10[9k]: he did k11
[19:13] ronin3[1k]: maybe J7 first
[19:14] bradycrafter10[9k]: ok move
[19:14] paintcan[4d]: f5 fixed the e7 aji, which was still an issue
[19:14] bradycrafter10[9k]: but too risky I think
[19:14] bradycrafter10[9k]: j7?
[19:14] paintcan[4d]: w get f5, then f8 would squeeze, tough to cut
[19:14] bradycrafter10[9k]: black j7 is too hard to survive
[19:14] YuraTykhyy[2k]: B is about running our of time)
Move 119
[19:14] fatihgo[2d]: zaphodian j10 is interesting too, i would never think of that move
[19:14] ronin3[1k]: threatens connection wuth J5
[19:14] bradycrafter10[9k]: I know
[19:14] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: almost alive
[19:15] YuraTykhyy[2k]: W L11 - sente
[19:15] ronin3[1k]: the point is to hit the center of the shape and then reduce from outside to a dead shape
[19:15] fatihgo[2d]: h11 is too soft for ilya
[19:15] bradycrafter10[9k]: black might attack from above AND below
[19:15] bradycrafter10[9k]: then squeeze
[19:15] gray1892[10k]: maybe h9/j9/j10? might be too slow
[19:15] bradycrafter10[9k]: j10 too far away
[19:15] bradycrafter10[9k]: and too slow
[19:15] bradycrafter10[9k]: but good move
[19:15] fatihgo[2d]: by the way b2 kills i think
[19:15] Trollbridge[7k]: B need h9 again
[19:15] bradycrafter10[9k]: we need the centre
Move 120
[19:16] Trollbridge[7k]: W must play h9
[19:16] gray1892[10k]: oh! same thought ig
[19:16] bradycrafter10[9k]: ok h10, defence
[19:16] Trollbridge[7k]: or this, even better, white lives now, I think
Move 121
[19:16] bradycrafter10[9k]: yeah
[19:16] bradycrafter10[9k]: now g10 offence
[19:16] Love[1k]: isnt b2 miai?
[19:16] BostonSong[1k]: seems like B is not trying to kill
Move 122
[19:16] bradycrafter10[9k]: maybe
[19:16] BostonSong[1k]: or not trying hard enough
[19:16] bradycrafter10[9k]: B may be trying to surround
[19:17] bradycrafter10[9k]: low on time
[19:17] bradycrafter10[9k]: black
[19:17] bradycrafter10[9k]: dun dun dun
[19:17] bradycrafter10[9k]: what is a nother popular game livw?
[19:17] bradycrafter10[9k]: live
Move 123
[19:17] bradycrafter10[9k]: anybody know?
[19:17] StephenW[1d]: I think if white lives in the top right, he wins this game
[19:17] bradycrafter10[9k]: j10 is good
[19:17] Stormwolf[2k]: i want black to pay for M8
[19:17] bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
[19:18] Love[1k]: centers not alive yet
Move 124
[19:18] bradycrafter10[9k]: after this game, where to go next?
[19:18] bradycrafter10[9k]: black=low on time
[19:18] bradycrafter10[9k]: but white is holding it
Move 125
[19:18] bradycrafter10[9k]: called it! j10
[19:19] bradycrafter10[9k]: wouldn't B h8 be good
[19:19] alexliteracy[?]: who winning
[19:19] bradycrafter10[9k]: black
[19:19] BostonSong[1k]: Variation: W could go for the corner now
[19:19] fatihgo[2d]: g8 sharp
[19:19] bradycrafter10[9k]: he is winning
[19:19] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I think its close
[19:19] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: to much stuff unresolved
[19:19] Love[1k]: white is winning by a bit
[19:20] Vegetable[5d]: this center group is so unresolved that i wouoldn't say anything
[19:20] Love[1k]: if he lives
[19:20] Martin_L[?]: Variation: 10
[19:20] Love[1k]: which he should
[19:20] fatihgo[2d]: so either h8 or g9
[19:20] bradycrafter10[9k]: hey, guys. wouldn't h8 for B be good? it's really hard for white to defend
[19:20] Vegetable[5d]: brady, ye, it would
[19:20] Vegetable[5d]: but white is not likely to let black play it
[19:20] StephenW[1d]: it's white's turn though
[19:20] Trollbridge[7k]: black hasn't given up, plans to explode the center into pieces
[19:20] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: h8 look essential
[19:20] bradycrafter10[9k]: because the bottom is still now defended
[19:20] bradycrafter10[9k]: not
Move 126
[19:20] Vegetable[5d]: iinteresting
Move 127
[19:20] ronin3[1k]: wow
[19:20] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: or.. perhaps not
[19:20] Vegetable[5d]: but forcing
[19:21] ronin3[1k]: power sente
[19:21] bradycrafter10[9k]: ok another defensive move
[19:21] StephenW[1d]: not sure why he would play that
[19:21] bradycrafter10[9k]: IDK too
[19:21] Vegetable[5d]: maybe timesuji
[19:21] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I called the l11 peed about 20 moves ago
[19:21] bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
[19:21] Vegetable[5d]: though white is in no real time trouble
[19:21] smog山人[1k]: timing, pesky
[19:21] bradycrafter10[9k]: I know
[19:21] StephenW[1d]: wouldn't l10 have been better though?
[19:21] alexliteracy[?]: is time absolute?
[19:21] YuraTykhyy[2k]: otherwise W L12 cut and surround blacks M12-M9
[19:22] bradycrafter10[9k]: h5 would be good for both B and W
[19:22] Trollbridge[7k]: W h8, then B cuts at h7
[19:22] Evan is my name[4k]: alexliteracy: No, it's Fischer time. 20 seconds are added to your clock each time you move
[19:22] alexliteracy[?]: ok
[19:22] YuraTykhyy[2k]: time like Fisher's clock (be-e-e)
Move 128
[19:22] runarberg[4k]: White needs to keep ko threats alive if he wants to live in the upper right, right?
Move 129
[19:22] bradycrafter10[9k]: yeah
[19:22] bradycrafter10[9k]: because they are playing the middle, not top right
Move 130
[19:22] StephenW[1d]: the center needs to be fully resolved before that ko though
Move 131
[19:23] ronin3[1k]: wow
[19:23] runarberg[4k]: Ahh, I see
[19:23] StephenW[1d]: it's an infinite source of ko threats for black
[19:23] bradycrafter10[9k]: yeah white is needed h5
[19:23] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: b2 is cool
[19:23] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: played in about 2 secs
[19:23] bradycrafter10[9k]: wow b2 is finally played
[19:23] bradycrafter10[9k]: now white has no hope of getting the bottom left
[19:23] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: black must be desparate
[19:23] bradycrafter10[9k]: shakes fish at sky : yeah
[19:24] bradycrafter10[9k]: he needs points
Move 134
[19:24] ronin3[1k]: well W does not have so much
[19:24] A Pimp Named Snapback[17k]: Black's making a comeback!
[19:24] bradycrafter10[9k]: no I don't think black is making a comeback
[19:25] The Treeman[2k]: C 5
[19:25] The Treeman[2k]: white dead
[19:25] bradycrafter10[9k]: white now really dead but cloes
[19:25] ronin3[1k]: the problem B needs to add a move top right
[19:25] bradycrafter10[9k]: close
[19:25] pauldsolutions[9k]: With white dead in the corner, B takes a lot of territory
Move 135
[19:25] Sadiker[?]: b6
[19:25] ronin3[1k]: see ^_?
[19:25] bradycrafter10[9k]: why is no one playing h5?!!??!
[19:25] bradycrafter10[9k]: :(
[19:25] ronin3[1k]: bc B risk to die in top right, brady
[19:25] bradycrafter10[9k]: ok
[19:26] bradycrafter10[9k]: I see now
[19:26] runarberg[4k]: I’m guessing living in the center is not enough for white
[19:26] BostonSong[1k]: B6
Move 137
[19:26] CheGuapara[13k]: black is huge in the bottom left?
[19:26] ronin3[1k]: I would not be comfortable to play this endgame with 22 seconds on the clock
[19:26] bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
[19:26] YuraTykhyy[2k]: c7 of course
[19:26] Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: c5 was the point of b2 I guess
[19:27] bradycrafter10[9k]: c8
[19:27] Vegetable[5d]: does h5 do something?
Move 138
[19:27] Sadiker[?]: c2
Move 139
[19:27] Vegetable[5d]: at least just pushing in to reduce eyespace is not enough
[19:27] bradycrafter10[9k]: for white c8 is a bit risky but still, maybe he might play it
[19:27] alexliteracy[?]: h5 looks like a waste of a move for both imo

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