Unranked
Rules: Japanese
Black wins by 12.5 points
roln90[3p]: have a nice game
Move 2
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i expect dual 3-3's from palko again xd
Move 3
lobon15058[7k]: They are the professional go chess players
Move 4
lobon15058[7k]: no?
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: yeah, european professionals
Celebrir[2d]: Not that difficult to predict KoBa xD
Celebrir[2d]: But I like that he sticks to his styele
lobon15058[6k]: its normal?
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: its normal for palko xd
Celebrir[2d]: for him personally it is :)
Move 5
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: he has played dual 3-3's for the last half a year or so
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: black is arguably the strongest european pro, and white is the best at making the entire board as huge crazy fight
jthat[2k]: hello everyone
lobon15058[6k]: maybe it will be exciting
Celebrir[2d]: Hi jthat
Tonsor[?]: Hi guys, in what type of competition do they compete right now?
Move 6
liquid[6d]: Go
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: its european grand prix finale -tournament, this is semi-final game https://eurogofed.org/grandprix/egpf2020.html
Tonsor[?]: thx!
Kamakiri[1d]: Does Palko also plays double san-san's when he is black?
liquid[6d]: yes
lobon15058[6k]: two 3-3 looks so weird
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i know right xD
Move 7
liquid[6d]: its all for fighting
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: but 3-3's are super solid and hard to attack, so palko can take the fight on his opponents area
lobon15058[6k]: i see
Move 8
lobon15058[6k]: fight on opponents area is better than fight on you self area?
Move 10
lobon15058[6k]: or same
Celebrir[2d]: it's a question of personal preferance
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: would you rather make a mess in your own home, or on your neighbors home?
lobon15058[6k]: i understand
lobon15058[6k]: neighbor haha
Celebrir[2d]: I think of it more like do you prefer to run with your groups or do you prefer to make others run?
Move 11
lobon15058[6k]: but fight at my home i know where all the weapons hide
Move 17
lobon15058[6k]: but spoiler its just the kitchen because i dont have weapons so i guess i can find the weapon at neighbors home too
Move 18
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hahaha
lobon15058[6k]: 83 people watching this game. is a lot
powpow7013[8k]: epik
powpow7013[8k]: how to maik a variation
powpow7013[8k]: im confuse
Celebrir[2d]: Go into the analyse mode, make a variation and then publish it with the button under the variation tree
JanGret[9k]: Thd earlier game with Stsnis vs Aftem had 280+ watching
Celebrir[2d]: I don't have the exact words because I don't use the english version of this side
lobon15058[6k]: oh my god
liquid[6d]: because it was during working hours
Move 19
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: looks like they forgot to put the banner up this time >__<
JanGret[9k]: People T
Move 22
powpow7013[8k]: yay I joined a tournament
powpow7013[8k]: it has 2 people
powpow7013[8k]: why isnt it starting
powpow7013[8k]: xD
Move 23
JanGret[9k]: Tend to slowly come in over time
Move 26
liquid[6d]: and yet another ko
liquid[6d]: from palko
liquid[6d]: :D
powpow7013[8k]: ko fite
powpow7013[8k]: lmao 91 people in this room now
Move 28
kendfrey[10k]: there is the banner, now people will come
powpow7013[8k]: :O
Move 29
Kamakiri[1d]: Variation: This is absurd but playable in my kyu games...
Move 31
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: thats the power of 3-3 stones, you can ignore the first attack against them ^^
Pepperroom17[?]: ;-;
Move 32
JanGret[9k]: I know this is the semifinal for the grand prix. But what is the winner of tbe grand prix winning? Just bragging rights?
powpow7013[8k]: pros
Pepperroom17[?]: I suppose
powpow7013[8k]: probs*
powpow7013[8k]: xD
Welvang[1p]: Bonus points, points for going to eastern tournaments, pro points to improve, money, honor&fame, for example
powpow7013[8k]: :O ok
MuYu[8k]: The one who wins nothing happens to him, the others are punished
Move 35
Welvang[1p]: I'll comment this game in something like 10-15 minutes
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: and admiration by all others :)
Welvang[1p]: they started late
Welvang[1p]: but they play fast
kendfrey[10k]: I'll see you on EGF twitch I presume?
lobon15058[6k]: This gives me a headache because I feel like I am going to snap!
Move 36
Move 37
lobon15058[6k]: Of course then the phone rings and I end up talking to that person for 5 min then the next call I get is 10 min and the next call is 30 minutes after that.
Move 38
lobon15058[6k]: I just think that I am giving myself too much to do in one day. I do need to get laundry going, the dishwasher emptying, vacuuming, and dusting.
Move 39
lobon15058[6k]: But I also need to get dinner cooked and I really need to stop by my parents house and give them the clothes that are in my dryer, which are only partially dried
lobon15058[6k]: so as you can see
Move 41
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: lobon.. when your'done with that you can continue at my house
Russian[5d]: Variation: fight begin
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: just the smae tasks
Move 43
Toei[3k]: volker lol
Move 45
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hmm pincer the F17 group now?
lobon15058[6k]: If i work at your house youll have to go up stairs to get my food, or pick it up.
lobon15058[6k]: I do the rest of the work downstairs.
Move 46
lobon15058[6k]: Sorry, been on a lot of antibiotics.
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: called it \o/
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: i have Chili con carne ready. just needs to be heated
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: i cooked it yesterda so today it's even better
lobon15058[6k]: I just needed to let this off my chest. Maybe I dont need anyone to read it and be upset or something.
lobon15058[6k]: (I do have some whores that I'll write to.. just kidding..)
paintcan[4d]: this is just like kgs
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: lobon i assume that was a typo xd
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: i do NOT assue that was a typo =)
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: *assume
Toei[3k]: now thats a typo
taviandir[3k]: bless you, lobon
OGA937[2k]: B will conterpincer
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: right Toei
JanGret[9k]: Good thing we care more about lobons shores the the game
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: first of all i care about my beer after a long day at the homeoffice
Pepperroom17[?]: O.O
taviandir[3k]: without kibitz, Go isnt fun
Move 47
taviandir[3k]: are they playing this match here on OGS or is this a relay?
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: this is the match
JanGret[9k]: Here
taviandir[3k]: ok cool!
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: liave and in color... or b/w... :)
JanGret[9k]: M17 and build the base?
Move 50
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: who needs a base ehwn you can have ko?
kendfrey[10k]: pal"ko" really living up to his name
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: oh wait, this isnt ko >__<
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: live commentary here: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: ok, probably couple of seonds =)
wooolf[5k]: 'live' commentary after the game?
lobon15058[6k]: dead commentary
wooolf[5k]: : )
kendfrey[10k]: wait why is Welvang [2k] all of a sudden
pt8o[4d]: anyone commentating on stream? I don't see anything on Twitch
Move 51
lobon15058[6k]: if you click the name it says 1p. must be bug
BHydden[4k]: chat displays pro ranks weirdly for some reason
DrSparkle713[5k]: European Go Federation on Twitch. I think commentary hasn't started yet.
Celebrir[2d]: They'll start the commentary at the link above in a few minutes I believe
kendfrey[10k]: I expect it to start in the next few minutes
Move 52
Celebrir[2d]: Welvang already started the rezension he will be using
lobon15058[6k]: They are slow. Slow like christmas to be live
Celebrir[2d]: Stream started :)
Move 53
Celebrir[2d]: (but waiting screen for now :( )
B2 Bomber[2d]: making W overconcentrated
taviandir[3k]: B didnt lose much from the J17 pincer
lobon15058[6k]: it is snowing. should i eat som instant noodles
Move 56
kendfrey[10k]: looks difficult for white now
Move 57
powpow7013[9k]: I left for a while-
Move 58
powpow7013[9k]: and came back
lobon15058[6k]: welcome home powpow
powpow7013[9k]: xD
Kamakiri[1k]: Black will probably ignore this one since white is already secure and answering is gote
lobon15058[6k]: 230 people here. we are happy family
SloMoFoGo[12k]: Aye
Celebrir[2d]: Something to reinforce top right now?
Move 59
Pepperroom17[?]: As we should be lobon LOL
Move 63
Rakoon[11k]: What does "gote" mean?
AkiraToya325[10k]: Lose sente
Pepperroom17[?]: slang gote or like the word itself?
Celebrir[2d]: your opponent has the next move/decision where to play on a global scale
Rakoon[11k]: ok thanks ;)
paintcan[4d]: tenuki is always an option
ben0[4d]: That is one ugly looking game
paintcan[4d]: black made a bunch of shredded shapes
Welvang[1p]: come and comment in the twitch chat wiht me ben :)
Welvang[1p]: that will be a fun one
dacat1[7d]: hello there
tzaqyeudukko[10k]: pepperroom, not slang gote, the japanese translate of gote senseis: Gote
dacat1[7d]: party going on
dacat1[7d]: i see
DrSparkle713[5k]: What are time controls on these?
Free Tibet[2k]: O17
JanGret[9k]: Fischer time
Kamakiri[1k]: I feel like R12 will be the safest option?
JanGret[9k]: +20s for every move
Free Tibet[2k]: senseis: gote
trohde[4k]: Tanguy’s live commentary: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
Free Tibet[2k]: senseis: Gote
taviandir[3k]: Free Tibet.exe has stopped working
claire yang[7d]: @Pepperroom17 what is the slang word gote means, not in the context of Go
Move 64
OndraKruml[?]: im big fan and hope friend of Palko, but he started to play the type of go i hate the most :D
Move 65
OndraKruml[?]: so time for me to change the type of go I like I guess
hypergeometric[5k]: is Q11 good ?
hypergeometric[5k]: as an answer
Pepperroom17[?]: ^^
hypergeometric[5k]: or maybe it gives a base to W too easily
29MCA47.[3k]: q11 too soft i guess
tzaqyeudukko[10k]: @Free Tibet.exe rebooted xD
OndraKruml[?]: p9 looks good to me
Move 66
OndraKruml[?]: but nah, lets crawl some more :D
Pepperroom17[?]: :P
lobon15058[6k]: This reminds me of a little over a year ago when we did the same thing except it was at my parent's house.
lobon15058[6k]: Owen was not nearly as easy to put down (probably because he was not the youngest or the most willing to participate) and Dylan left a little wine glass full of high - quality banana milkshake syrup under my pillow.
lobon15058[6k]: I found it the next morning and was not a happy camper. LOL
Move 67
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: Variation: how many groups on the board? i count 9
Kamakiri[1k]: 1 and 9 are almost the same
Move 68
Kamakiri[1k]: They are gonna be hard to split
Move 70
powpow7013[9k]: Variation: how to make variation- oh wait nvm I got it
tzaqyeudukko[10k]: a huge fight is coming?
breakfast[3p]: D3 - so slow. Was better to defend on the right
lobon15058[6k]: how many pros in the EGF?
nidza[?]: s2 - q7 looks good for white too
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: lobon 7
lobon15058[6k]: what about AGA?
Move 71
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: about the same, i'm not 100% sure
lobon15058[6k]: so few
lobon15058[6k]: but go is not so popular there i guess
kendfrey[10k]: AGA website lists 5
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: and also there's about 6-7 europeans who have become pros in asia before there was egf pro system, like breakfast
Move 74
BHydden[4k]: wow that's cool I wasn't aware any europeans had passed the asian pro exams
Pond Turtle[2d]: Well there is Ten
Pond Turtle[2d]: Svetlana Shikshina
Pond Turtle[2d]: and probably some others I can't remember right now
Pond Turtle[2d]: also wheee, this game - what a slapping contest
BHydden[4k]: oh wow I thought Ten was an EGF pro there you go :) TMYK
ronin3[1k]: Taranu, an example from older gen
Move 76
claire yang[7d]: Diana Koszegi and Mariya Zakharchenko two women in korean pro
Pond Turtle[2d]: So hard to tell who is ahead in this game
Pond Turtle[2d]: but I would take black
lobon15058[6k]: I like black
hypergeometric[5k]: can B kill the two white stones ?
ronin3[1k]: kill the two birds with one stone
ronin3[1k]: no, wait
tymak[2d]: do we know something about Zakharchenko? Seems like she become pro out of nowhere and nobody in Europe really knows about her
lobon15058[6k]: kill the two stones with one bird
kendfrey[10k]: a stone in the hand is worth two on the board
kendfrey[10k]: wait wrong proverb
AkiraToya325[10k]: A bird in hand?
kendfrey[10k]: :)
Move 77
lobon15058[6k]: someone quick make me some food. im hungry :(
AkiraToya325[10k]: Catch a bird
ronin3[1k]: make a hang sandwich
lobon15058[6k]: i dont have a stone to kill it with
PolloLoco[5k]: No no, bird makes you sandwich
PolloLoco[5k]: don't kill, they are friends
Move 78
Stormwolf[2k]: can white pull this off?
Move 79
PolloLoco[5k]: he sure likes to live dangerously
ronin3[1k]: yes, 5 bucks say he can
Move 81
Stormwolf[2k]: but isn't he gonna be in a situation where he just lives while black makes cash?
ronin3[1k]: D13 makes it difficult to take cash in the center
Move 85
SloMoFoGo[12k]: Oh wow
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I like black now
SloMoFoGo[12k]: I left for a bit, decent looking invasion but white on the right side is it promising?
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: puts bet on
Move 86
Stormwolf[2k]: ouch
Move 88
ronin3[1k]: gotta admire how these players treat stones as expendable
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: black needs a move in the centre now
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: like.... h10
Move 89
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: f14 is ok
SloMoFoGo[12k]: What do u mean? @ronin3
ronin3[1k]: how he dropped L17 K17 to their fate, for example
ronin3[1k]: earlier F16 same story, but now defended with the jump
PolloLoco[5k]: the company looks after the battalion so that the battalion can look after the company
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: all stones are cannon foder
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: the officers stay at home
ronin3[1k]: *insert Edge of Tomorrow quote here*
Move 90
lobon15058[6k]: Is a new go chess webiste called color go. do you hear this ?
PolloLoco[5k]: history can make us cynical it is true
SloMoFoGo[12k]: the company looks after the battalion so that the battalion can look after the company
lobon15058[6k]: looks beautiful
A Pimp Named Snapback[17k]: Looks like White has been dominating this whole time
Move 91
ronin3[1k]: now SFAS happy
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: the centre looks big for black
ronin3[1k]: (but first move h10 was dubious :P )
SloMoFoGo[12k]: A Pimp named billfold
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: h10 was just too next level for puny humans
ronin3[1k]: basically here white traded safety of the M15 group for the center points and sente
ronin3[1k]: the center points aren't that many, btw. less than 15-20 pts
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I always overestimate the centre points
ronin3[1k]: wonder if W going to poke at L11 now
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: thats true
ronin3[1k]: or be sneaky around the upper right corner
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: upper right needs invading
Stormwolf[2k]: can it be invaded though?
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: im just a puny 9k
Move 92
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: so I would just gues at..... r17
CheGuapara[13k]: maybe a little lower probe than l11
ronin3[1k]: lol!
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: yeah
kendfrey[10k]: we'll find out
Stormwolf[2k]: ah, there you go
Stormwolf[2k]: you are 2p
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: hahaha
Daimo[3k]: Haha
Move 93
IronEyes[3k]: probably just lets it die, but use the aji to reduce a bunch
fatihgo[2d]: reducing the center seems urgent
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: yeah
Stormwolf[2k]: i thought that center was where it's at as well
ronin3[1k]: i don't think so, there are a million ways to come in
hypergeometric[5k]: maybe P18 ?
ronin3[1k]: and white can get a free stone by peeping K4 always
fatihgo[2d]: black e7 is just huge
S_Alexander[3d]: who is leading?
Move 94
fatihgo[2d]: even white lives in the corner black can still play e7
Stormwolf[2k]: going for a ko variation?
ronin3[1k]: wow so crude move
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: yeah this looks like a ko ^^
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: ha - thats why I thought of it
PolloLoco[5k]: savage
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I prefer crude
ronin3[1k]: if it works it's fine :D
ronin3[1k]: is like andrii's empty triangles
PolloLoco[5k]: the fighting he wants to make. always brutal with this man
Stormwolf[2k]: i'm a great advocate for empty triangles. I think they got an undeserved bad reputation
kendfrey[10k]: sente feels very important here to me
ronin3[1k]: but they got a whole webcomic tho \o/
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I still like h10
Stormwolf[2k]: yeah, but black played 2 additional moves at F14 and F12
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: which makes it even nicer
IronEyes[3k]: h10 now is good, before though it doesn't really do anything
Stormwolf[2k]: why not N7?
gray1892[10k]: h10 is more aggressive, no?
IronEyes[3k]: I guess if you're going to try to build the center you might as well go big
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: more ambitious maybe yeah
StephenW[1d]: black is pretty far behind territorially
Stormwolf[2k]: unless he banks on center, no?
gray1892[10k]: way ahead in influence tho
StephenW[1d]: he has to at this point
gray1892[10k]: center influence, at least
kendfrey[10k]: blacks needs a good piece of the centre
PolloLoco[5k]: he's taking the time to be prudent
hypergeometric[5k]: can you show me the ko variation ?
Move 95
bobysven19[?]: Hey
ronin3[1k]: woow
ronin3[1k]: so beauty move!
fatihgo[2d]: tenuki is very good here imo
gray1892[10k]: yeah that's really beautiful
bobysven19[?]: How long have they been playing for?
bradycrafter10[9k]: IDK
ronin3[1k]: 1h30+
CarloTibaldi[1d]: almost 2h
bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: Variation: ko
Glenura[3d]: ....
Glenura[3d]: wow
Move 97
Stormwolf[2k]: white needs to come in at some point
Stormwolf[2k]: (or does he?)
StephenW[1d]: I believe black needs about 20 points in the center
Stormwolf[2k]: that's doable
kendfrey[10k]: if W can start a big fight maybe he can use the clock to his advantage
bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: a real game
ronin3[1k]: like in Prince of Persia sand of times
OndraKruml[?]: e12
bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: a real game I have played before
ronin3[1k]: XD
bradycrafter10[9k]: XDDD
gray1892[10k]: cant e12 get shut out of the center pretty fast?
bradycrafter10[9k]: the real game or mine
gray1892[10k]: real game lol
Move 98
Trollbridge[7k]: m8 should be enough to win
bradycrafter10[9k]: it can
Trollbridge[7k]: too late
Stormwolf[2k]: and now it begins
bradycrafter10[9k]: m8 is useless
claire yang[7d]: hmm...
gray1892[10k]: oh BIG move
Trollbridge[7k]: it was perfect before
ronin3[1k]: showdown music please
bradycrafter10[9k]: how
runarberg[4k]: Has B any another option then to kill this invasion?
SardishGo[4k]: L9 is great!
Stormwolf[2k]: black can accept the reduction
ronin3[1k]: no, id play M8
Stormwolf[2k]: can't he?
Stormwolf[2k]: i'd play J10
Trollbridge[7k]: yes, still m8, he can cut this off
Stormwolf[2k]: k10
fatihgo[2d]: m8 is simple and good
bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: a real game I have played before
gray1892[10k]: j10 seems safer but sacrifices a dangerous potential for center territory
gray1892[10k]: for white center territory*
Stormwolf[2k]: M8 is too much of a bet
claire yang[7d]: M8 is simple?
bradycrafter10[9k]: nah
kendfrey[10k]: I think nothing is simple now
SardishGo[4k]: B in k10 to save or N( to start battle
fatihgo[2d]: actually i would be surprised to see another move, m8 is just perfect
bradycrafter10[9k]: m8 is safer he did l9 which sacrificed the center*
Trollbridge[7k]: m8 wins the game
bradycrafter10[9k]: *he can get easily cut off
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: its certainly the obvious move
Stormwolf[2k]: i think m8 loses, because white will live
gray1892[10k]: doesn't it leave behind a lot of bad aji?
bradycrafter10[9k]: IDK
bradycrafter10[9k]: he can g3et cut off
Move 99
bradycrafter10[9k]: yet
bakogo[10k]: I like k9 it's a doggie
bradycrafter10[9k]: yep
gray1892[10k]: well there ya go
bradycrafter10[9k]: he got cut off
gray1892[10k]: a doggie?
bradycrafter10[9k]: really hard to survive now
ronin3[1k]: called it!
IronEyes[3k]: fight to the death
Riles Jones[11k]: canine
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: now its a huge fight
Pond Turtle[2d]: Lol I called it
bradycrafter10[9k]: CALLED IT
Stormwolf[2k]: i think white will live easily and destroy all black's center
fatihgo[2d]: white is in trouble but i think he will try e7 now
Move 101
bradycrafter10[9k]: he is cut he needs to try hard
Move 103
claire yang[7d]: fight...
StephenW[1d]: white will be fine here
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: white needs to live in the centre to win
bradycrafter10[9k]: o8?
gray1892[10k]: white survives this I think?
fatihgo[2d]: n7 was too quick
Stormwolf[2k]: white will live.
ronin3[1k]: typical Ilya?
bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: survived
fatihgo[2d]: even if white dies in the center he should save n8
Pond Turtle[2d]: Variation: These don't look killable
Move 104
bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: survived
Pond Turtle[2d]: I wonder what the atari si about
bradycrafter10[9k]: Variation: survived
Move 105
Move 106
bradycrafter10[9k]: you mean white?
Move 107
fatihgo[2d]: e7 soon
Move 108
bradycrafter10[9k]: e7? why?
Move 109
fatihgo[2d]: to reduce the center
bradycrafter10[9k]: I know but why over there
fatihgo[2d]: but after L8 i am not sure
runarberg[4k]: The cut at the star point is starting to worry me
SardishGo[4k]: and help the L group
bradycrafter10[9k]: why not something like j6
fatihgo[2d]: if e7 now white clearly loses points
StephenW[1d]: e7 is too small
bradycrafter10[9k]: e7 can be cut off
StephenW[1d]: black can sacrifice the left side to kill the entire center
Move 110
paintcan[4d]: l9 looks plain dead to me
StephenW[1d]: if those 5 white stones die, the game is over
bradycrafter10[9k]: but then the left side will demolish
Move 111
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: nice peep
bakogo[10k]: Obv peep
SardishGo[4k]: W is looking for space to survive in the center
gray1892[10k]: white needs something in the h8/j9 vicinity?
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: l11 next obv peep
Flo프로[6d]: hard to kill, hard to live
bradycrafter10[9k]: that's too much of a forcce
ronin3[1k]: i don't think can be so committed. need two ways so black can only block one
bradycrafter10[9k]: plus, he can get surrounded
ronin3[1k]: but W is also threatening to use D12 and E7 cuts. so there's hope will do something
ronin3[1k]: the question is how to do it skilfully
bradycrafter10[9k]: d12 and e7 is too slow
bradycrafter10[9k]: we need something faster
StephenW[1d]: how does g6 look?
ronin3[1k]: i'm talking about possibilities, brady
bradycrafter10[9k]: umm... too risky
bakogo[10k]: Don't you have to follow j5
ronin3[1k]: when making a plan you need to take all into account
bradycrafter10[9k]: yeah
runarberg[4k]: I don’t understand W peep at K5, wouldn’t it be better for W to leave the cut open for exploitation later
StephenW[1d]: j5 is too slow
gray1892[10k]: I was thinking close to h9, because it gives white more tempo on the group
StephenW[1d]: he has to make eye shape
gray1892[10k]: but am also obv a trash player lol
bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
ronin3[1k]: if he just does eyeshape he will die
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: white is making room to live in the centre I think
bradycrafter10[9k]: I know too slow
BostonSong[1k]: I like g6
StephenW[1d]: he wont be able to connect to a living group
Move 112
ronin3[1k]: ha, almost
StephenW[1d]: he can only threaten to do it
bradycrafter10[9k]: maybe g6
StephenW[1d]: he has to make eyes
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: yeah
bradycrafter10[9k]: I know but how?
bradycrafter10[9k]: the space is too small
paintcan[4d]: somebody once told me the world is going to roln me
BostonSong[1k]: and maybe W should exchange at o9 first
StephenW[1d]: he didn't think so when he played L9
bradycrafter10[9k]: black can easily surround
SardishGo[4k]: g7 instead g6 is more flexible for both
Pond Turtle[2d]: I love these games, live in center or lose
bradycrafter10[9k]: he is low on tme
bradycrafter10[9k]: black
Pond Turtle[2d]: Reason why I love old Takemia games too
Move 113
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: easily surround but not kill
ronin3[1k]: not worryingly so
bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
bradycrafter10[9k]: ok here is the block of e7
bradycrafter10[9k]: now no more e7
ronin3[1k]: this is pushing W where he does not want
bradycrafter10[9k]: I know, right?
Move 114
bradycrafter10[9k]: ok... taking control of centre
Stormwolf[2k]: i believe in white's capacity to live
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: now k5 looks very useful
bradycrafter10[9k]: what about black h5
bradycrafter10[9k]: what f
bradycrafter10[9k]: what if
ronin3[1k]: no if B comes in i believe he will from the top
bradycrafter10[9k]: so B j8
Trollbridge[7k]: h8 or j8
bradycrafter10[9k]: Sounds hard to block, right
IronEyes[3k]: now somewhere around e10 or 11
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: perhaps finally h10
Move 115
ronin3[1k]: haha ^^
bradycrafter10[9k]: maybe
runarberg[4k]: The order still feels weird to me. Why K5 peep before tthe G7 extend?
bradycrafter10[9k]: oh why f5
Move 117
bradycrafter10[9k]: no he is cut from the corners
StephenW[1d]: if not f5, w g4 was concerning
SardishGo[4k]: f5 wrong - noe W go up nd find 2 eyes
Trollbridge[7k]: now B can gouge out the eye space from above
bradycrafter10[9k]: I know
fatihgo[2d]: h9 good shape here
YuraTykhyy[2k]: H9 to surround a big area
Trollbridge[7k]: W needs h9
bradycrafter10[9k]: j9, j8, h7 needs to be defended
Move 118
Trollbridge[7k]: now B h9, white overreached there
fatihgo[2d]: black h9 would be like a dagger to the dragon
bradycrafter10[9k]: I know right yura
Zaphodian[?]: B will play J10 or H9
bradycrafter10[9k]: he did k11
ronin3[1k]: maybe J7 first
bradycrafter10[9k]: ok move
paintcan[4d]: f5 fixed the e7 aji, which was still an issue
bradycrafter10[9k]: but too risky I think
bradycrafter10[9k]: j7?
paintcan[4d]: w get f5, then f8 would squeeze, tough to cut
bradycrafter10[9k]: black j7 is too hard to survive
YuraTykhyy[2k]: B is about running our of time)
Move 119
fatihgo[2d]: zaphodian j10 is interesting too, i would never think of that move
ronin3[1k]: threatens connection wuth J5
bradycrafter10[9k]: I know
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: almost alive
YuraTykhyy[2k]: W L11 - sente
ronin3[1k]: the point is to hit the center of the shape and then reduce from outside to a dead shape
fatihgo[2d]: h11 is too soft for ilya
bradycrafter10[9k]: black might attack from above AND below
bradycrafter10[9k]: then squeeze
gray1892[10k]: maybe h9/j9/j10? might be too slow
bradycrafter10[9k]: j10 too far away
bradycrafter10[9k]: and too slow
bradycrafter10[9k]: but good move
fatihgo[2d]: by the way b2 kills i think
Trollbridge[7k]: B need h9 again
bradycrafter10[9k]: we need the centre
Move 120
Trollbridge[7k]: W must play h9
gray1892[10k]: oh! same thought ig
bradycrafter10[9k]: ok h10, defence
Trollbridge[7k]: or this, even better, white lives now, I think
Move 121
bradycrafter10[9k]: yeah
bradycrafter10[9k]: now g10 offence
Love[1k]: isnt b2 miai?
BostonSong[1k]: seems like B is not trying to kill
Move 122
bradycrafter10[9k]: maybe
BostonSong[1k]: or not trying hard enough
bradycrafter10[9k]: B may be trying to surround
bradycrafter10[9k]: low on time
bradycrafter10[9k]: black
bradycrafter10[9k]: dun dun dun
bradycrafter10[9k]: what is a nother popular game livw?
bradycrafter10[9k]: live
Move 123
bradycrafter10[9k]: anybody know?
StephenW[1d]: I think if white lives in the top right, he wins this game
bradycrafter10[9k]: j10 is good
Stormwolf[2k]: i want black to pay for M8
bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
Love[1k]: centers not alive yet
Move 124
bradycrafter10[9k]: after this game, where to go next?
bradycrafter10[9k]: black=low on time
bradycrafter10[9k]: but white is holding it
Move 125
bradycrafter10[9k]: called it! j10
bradycrafter10[9k]: wouldn't B h8 be good
alexliteracy[?]: who winning
bradycrafter10[9k]: black
BostonSong[1k]: Variation: W could go for the corner now
fatihgo[2d]: g8 sharp
bradycrafter10[9k]: he is winning
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I think its close
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: to much stuff unresolved
Love[1k]: white is winning by a bit
Vegetable[5d]: this center group is so unresolved that i wouoldn't say anything
Love[1k]: if he lives
Martin_L[?]: Variation: 10
Love[1k]: which he should
fatihgo[2d]: so either h8 or g9
bradycrafter10[9k]: hey, guys. wouldn't h8 for B be good? it's really hard for white to defend
Vegetable[5d]: brady, ye, it would
Vegetable[5d]: but white is not likely to let black play it
StephenW[1d]: it's white's turn though
Trollbridge[7k]: black hasn't given up, plans to explode the center into pieces
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: h8 look essential
bradycrafter10[9k]: because the bottom is still now defended
bradycrafter10[9k]: not
Move 126
Vegetable[5d]: iinteresting
Move 127
ronin3[1k]: wow
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: or.. perhaps not
Vegetable[5d]: but forcing
ronin3[1k]: power sente
bradycrafter10[9k]: ok another defensive move
StephenW[1d]: not sure why he would play that
bradycrafter10[9k]: IDK too
Vegetable[5d]: maybe timesuji
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: I called the l11 peed about 20 moves ago
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: peep
bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
Vegetable[5d]: though white is in no real time trouble
smog山人[1k]: timing, pesky
bradycrafter10[9k]: I know
StephenW[1d]: wouldn't l10 have been better though?
alexliteracy[?]: is time absolute?
YuraTykhyy[2k]: otherwise W L12 cut and surround blacks M12-M9
bradycrafter10[9k]: h5 would be good for both B and W
Trollbridge[7k]: W h8, then B cuts at h7
Evan is my name[4k]: alexliteracy: No, it's Fischer time. 20 seconds are added to your clock each time you move
alexliteracy[?]: ok
YuraTykhyy[2k]: time like Fisher's clock (be-e-e)
Move 128
runarberg[4k]: White needs to keep ko threats alive if he wants to live in the upper right, right?
Move 129
bradycrafter10[9k]: yeah
bradycrafter10[9k]: because they are playing the middle, not top right
Move 130
StephenW[1d]: the center needs to be fully resolved before that ko though
Move 131
ronin3[1k]: wow
runarberg[4k]: Ahh, I see
StephenW[1d]: it's an infinite source of ko threats for black
bradycrafter10[9k]: yeah white is needed h5
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: b2 is cool
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: played in about 2 secs
bradycrafter10[9k]: wow b2 is finally played
bradycrafter10[9k]: now white has no hope of getting the bottom left
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: black must be desparate
bradycrafter10[9k]: shakes fish at sky : yeah
bradycrafter10[9k]: he needs points
Move 134
ronin3[1k]: well W does not have so much
A Pimp Named Snapback[17k]: Black's making a comeback!
bradycrafter10[9k]: no I don't think black is making a comeback
The Treeman[2k]: C 5
The Treeman[2k]: white dead
bradycrafter10[9k]: white now really dead but cloes
ronin3[1k]: the problem B needs to add a move top right
bradycrafter10[9k]: close
pauldsolutions[9k]: With white dead in the corner, B takes a lot of territory
Move 135
Sadiker[?]: b6
ronin3[1k]: see ^_?
bradycrafter10[9k]: why is no one playing h5?!!??!
ronin3[1k]: bc B risk to die in top right, brady
bradycrafter10[9k]: I see now
runarberg[4k]: I’m guessing living in the center is not enough for white
BostonSong[1k]: B6
Move 137
CheGuapara[13k]: black is huge in the bottom left?
ronin3[1k]: I would not be comfortable to play this endgame with 22 seconds on the clock
bradycrafter10[9k]: LOL
YuraTykhyy[2k]: c7 of course
Shakes Fish At Sky[4k]: c5 was the point of b2 I guess
Vegetable[5d]: does h5 do something?
Move 138
Sadiker[?]: c2
Move 139
Vegetable[5d]: at least just pushing in to reduce eyespace is not enough
bradycrafter10[9k]: for white c8 is a bit risky but still, maybe he might play it
alexliteracy[?]: h5 looks like a waste of a move for both imo
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