Unranked
Rules: Japanese
Processing
Black wins by Resignation
artem92[2p]: have a nice game
Move 1
robertmehl[14k]: good luck, siasio!
Move 6
ys3[3d]: semifinals, best of 3, siasio won game 1
Move 7
Badukness05[2k]: is roln on semi too?
ys3[3d]: yes
Move 12
ys3[3d]: against pavol. ilya won game 1. game 2 in about 4.75 hours
Badukness05[2k]: a nice pro
hypergeometric[5k]: ys3 : when is the final ?
JanGret[10k]: Anyone knows what happenend with the game dacat1 vs AndriiKravets game earlier today?
ys3[3d]: website says saturday will be games 1 and 2 of finals, sunday game 3 if needed
Move 26
Zaphodian[?]: Oscar apparently won
Move 29
Moggetyrael[5d]: But there is no game between them on OGS
JanGret[10k]: yeah, but there is no game in the history and the linked game is Ilyas game it seems. So I guess Andrii could not make it or something like that
Move 30
Zaphodian[?]: Hmmm, weird
Badukness05[2k]: that white fuseki is new?
Zaphodian[?]: No, it's pretty much in line with some AI games.
JanGret[10k]: Isn't that kinda a normal extension as black wants to play there, too?
Move 36
Badukness05[2k]: seems so
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: after R5, natural continuation
MuYu[8k]: One question: why did Spanish play too?
Zaphodian[?]: ??
Move 37
Zaphodian[?]: Maybe because Spain is part of Europe?
Move 43
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B's plan, but W is OK and gets sente
Move 46
MuYu[8k]: I mean that today they also faced "Oscar Vazquez (Spain) vs Andrii Kravets (Ukraine)" according to the Federation page; I wondered why they were playing since they were left out.
Move 49
JanGret[10k]: they are playing for places 5-8
MuYu[8k]: For good! Thanks :)
JanGret[10k]: they lost their quarter final games, so are now part of the lower bracket.
Badukness05[2k]: c16 normal invasion?
Zaphodian[?]: So the principle that W follows is: OK, you enlarged your moyo on the right side and so you have skin in the game and will defend when I reduce you from the left side (while building up my own moyo).
JanGret[10k]: Seriously: I would love to see you commenting this game on Stream :)
nidza[?]: t6 looks rly bad
nidza[?]: if b wanted o5 why start with r5 in the beginning
Move 50
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, o5 right away would probably be better - W's local defense could be S5.
nidza[?]: that looks normal yeah
malishevserafym[2k]: maybe siasio uses AI? his moves are 98 percent the same as leela zero
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Like this, @nidza
Move 51
Badukness05[2k]: he is using ai??
ys3[3d]: you may want to calm down with cheating accusations there
Zaphodian[?]: No, the players do not use AI - it's impossible.
gojigs[4d]: no way stas uses AI
Kamakiri[1k]: Studying with AI allows you to make similiar moves especially at Fuseki
nidza[?]: ofc he is not using ai. what are you talking about
gojigs[4d]: first, they have to stream each other with i think 2 or 3 cameras even
gimlix[?]: that's fuseki part You can study them with ai
Zaphodian[?]: But Stas plays loads of games with an AI and he studies the opening using AI.
gojigs[4d]: and second -- do you know him ?
gojigs[4d]: he is amazing person :)
ys3[3d]: its been pretty basic so far anyway in terms of strategy
Zaphodian[?]: Yeah, I know him and played him.
Kamakiri[1k]: Do they use Zen Mode?
Kamakiri[1k]: When playing
Zaphodian[?]: No ofc not
Move 52
Badukness05[2k]: P10 ?
nidza[?]: zen mode is fullscreen mode for OGS zaphodian. its not required when you play
Move 53
Sadiker[?]: s15?
Zaphodian[?]: Yes, so, I guess they don't.
malishevserafym[2k]: according to AI, black has no chance anymore))
ys3[3d]: ah ok youre just a troll
Zaphodian[?]: No chance? like 90% or so?
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ohh why there isnt a banner for this >___>
Zaphodian[?]: But that's almost meaningless for humans
Move 54
tryk8[?]: No. Game is still very close.
Move 56
Kamakiri[1k]: Even 99% is meaningless if Artem could start a huge fight
JanGret[10k]: With human top level players this early, there can and will be huhe swings
Move 57
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Black's idea
Move 61
JanGret[10k]: So, it really is not that meaningfull. And we've seen several games swing the other way in this tournament
nidza[?]: in your var what if i push trough. seems working
Move 62
Move 63
JanGret[10k]: Doesn't this basicly thicken white so, that he is guaranteed the bottom left corner?
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Black's idea expanded
Move 64
Whirly[1d]: is 6 neccesary?
Whirly[1d]: in your var
tryk8[?]: Artem made some small mistakes, but the game is still playable.
Welvang[1p]: Hi, i'm going to comment this game in about 5-10 minutes, feel free to join :)
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: awesome tanguy!
gojigs[4d]: wow. welvang was 2k 10 lines above and now improved to 1p ;)
gojigs[4d]: i want the same drink
Badukness05[2k]: yes i dont get it
Move 65
robertmehl[14k]: great, welvang, thx
Move 66
Zaphodian[?]: @Whirley, kind of necessary
Welvang[1p]: i went from ben0 to pro
gojigs[4d]: haha^^
JanGret[10k]: Invite Rob to the stream and you will have an even more epic commentary :)
kusrabs[6k]: Что ж, решающая для Артема. Удачи!
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B 1 is dangerous
MuYu[8k]: Siasio in the papers on a 7d, right?
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B can fight back now
liquid[6d]: hard for black
liquid[6d]: really severe :(
Welvang[1p]: I might invite Ali but i think he's still sleeping
Welvang[1p]: sleeping ali is the next emote anyway
Move 67
Whirly[1d]: it's 14:46 in israel
JanGret[10k]: @MuYu Yes, 7d Amateuer, but that is the highest rank possible for an amateuer.
Palko[2p]: Haha good one Tanguy
Welvang[1p]: I'm not sure that changes anything
Whirly[1d]: he's sleeping noon?
Palko[2p]: What emote would fit for you tho?
Welvang[1p]: well it's already available on the stream xD
Welvang[1p]: you can give it a name
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: isnt this still really close? i cou nt about 60 points for both players >__>
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: so i guess w leads by ~komi?
Badukness05[2k]: koba is pro
tryk8[?]: Yes, it is quite close
MuYu[8k]: anGret. Sure, it's too high for us, but I'm saying this because it eliminated one 2P and apparently it's going to eliminate another: O
MuYu[8k]: Jan
ronin3[1k]: it is too early to count
ys3[3d]: "apparently" youre getting well ahead of yourself
MuYu[8k]: Even if he loses, he already took a game out of him yesterday
Sadiker[?]: Variation: 6
JanGret[10k]: Yes, Siasio is very likely a strong enough player to be one of the next pros. He was close in 2019
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: Siassio is in really good shapê, after wining against andrii, now artem is struggling against him...Siasio future pro
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: First intuition
MuYu[8k]: What I'm saying is that their real strength seems to be greater than their roles
ys3[3d]: yeah then theres a game 3 tomorrow
Badukness05[2k]: diobrando nice nickname
death_taxes[1k]: here it says that oscar beat Andrii, but i can't find their game on ogs
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W is reading this
death_taxes[1k]: and it happened today
gojigs[4d]: i think stas has even exam for university this week -- pretty amazing what magic he can do :)
Mkyle[1d]: Oh right, I was looking for that game earlier
JanGret[10k]: @death_taxes I was looking in the morning. It did not happen. After a while dacat1 got the win - so I guess this is a "now show" situation
Zaphodian[?]: Yup, we discussed that earlier
death_taxes[1k]: so what? Andrii overslept?
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: the next pro will be siasso or Lukan ? I would love to see both but one only can be the last pro =/
Mkyle[1d]: No show? really? did Andrii not realise that the game was scheduled?
Zaphodian[?]: we don't know what happened and let's stop speculating.
JanGret[10k]: Sometimes life happens
Zaphodian[?]: what a terrible thing to say
Zaphodian[?]: ;-)
Move 68
Lukan[?]: guys, what the hell... Oscar won by 1,5 and the game was played as usual
Moggetyrael[5d]: INstead of pro qualification maybe we should let Siasia and Lukan play jubango and see who is better :P
Zaphodian[?]: woah
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: maximum resistance huh
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: severe or overplay, that is the question
death_taxes[1k]: then why is it not visilble o their accounts?
Lukan[?]: most likely they made the game private accidentally
Move 69
death_taxes[1k]: ok that makes more sense
Move 70
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: possible yes
Move 72
OndraKruml[?]: what is black doing :O
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: wild variation
Move 74
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: OMG, they play it
Move 77
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: killing intent
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Maybe first push
JanGret[10k]: So instead of black breaking through, he took the top corner?
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: c14 enough ?
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: local tesuji
Whirly[1d]: Variation: isn't that better?
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: why is b15 better than c14 rob ?
OndraKruml[?]: I think he is calculating if he can b19
MuYu[8k]: DioMarca, I saw your game vs Angular, very good!
Move 79
MuYu[8k]: DioBrandof
JanGret[10k]: Is black alive after B16?
MuYu[8k]: The translator changes my words xD
Move 81
Badukness05[2k]: wow w seems toasted
Move 83
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: in term of points, looks even to me
Kamakiri[1k]: With S15 open, I'd say black is slightly better
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: yes but W has pottention on the center, right ?
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: around g10
Zaphodian[?]: So I guess B should have exchanged F16 for G16 before playing C18
Move 84
Zaphodian[?]: Anyway, Tanguy is commenting now: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
tryk8[?]: Game is very close
Badukness05[2k]: time for o10
hypergeometric[5k]: B J16 now ? It looks slow but also it seems to secure a lot of territory
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: looks slack to me, there are more urgent moves it seems
tryk8[?]: Or invide the right area
Zaphodian[?]: I'll give you an even slacker alternative: S15
Move 85
tryk8[?]: Heh
Zaphodian[?]: B feels he is behind
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: s15 but in a more active way ahah
thomas.athorne[1d]: S15 was blue though :)
Move 86
tryk8[?]: Must connect
tryk8[?]: wow
Move 88
Zaphodian[?]: connecting would be slack
Zaphodian[?]: But maybe connecting would be better anyway.
Zaphodian[?]: Because now B gets forcing moves and threaten to cut.
Move 89
Badukness05[2k]: he played j16
hypergeometric[5k]: ah :D
Move 90
Zaphodian[?]: B can use his marked stone like this - Humans have a bias do use the moves they played earlier.
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: w says center is mine
Move 91
Badukness05[2k]: b is gonna win easily
LVL79[4k]: Go go Artem!
tryk8[?]: Game is very close
Zaphodian[?]: It's not clear at all. B has a lot of cash, too
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: w has more pottential so it's not clear
Move 92
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: is e2 good now ?
Badukness05[2k]: e2?
Zaphodian[?]: You don;t want to play e2 too early. W e2, B e3, W F4, B b3 - territorial loss for W
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: to protect the cut at g5 in sente
tryk8[?]: taking g4 eliminates aji in b shape
Move 93
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: i though it would help W to build so much in the center
malishevserafym[2k]: j7 big mistake for white
Move 94
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: if you say so
Radziol[3d]: lol
Move 95
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: complicated choice - Aji of cutting at A and hane at B
Move 98
Badukness05[2k]: easy life for b
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: everything looks easy in your commentary badukness ahah
Badukness05[2k]: lol ;)
Move 99
Whirly[1d]: yeah you seem too sure
Badukness05[2k]: for b must be easy
Whirly[1d]: and in favour of artem
Badukness05[2k]: hahah
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: black has to swim nicely and not drawn in w's sea
Move 100
tryk8[?]: I think Siasio lost some potential in the center
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: really ? I see the center getting bigger and bigger each move ahah
Zaphodian[?]: B is in mortal danger
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: indeed
tryk8[?]: there is no way to kill j8
Zaphodian[?]: Maybe an AI can easily make life, but for a human it's difficult.
JanGret[10k]: I know we are all tired of it: That Katago stream now thinks it is dead even, while for most of the time, white was leading by 5-6 stones
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: if j8 lives, p13 will big a big gift
nidza[?]: points dont matter anymore, just j8 . kataGo knows some perfect way to live so its even
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: human feeling
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B is considering
Whirly[1d]: can kata sometimes say it's even because it's not sure of a local outcome?
karolkac04[?]: hmm looks not bad for white
Walter666[?]: i think the china AI can win easily
kendfrey[10k]: yes if there is a big fight kata might say score is close but with huge stddev
Badukness05[2k]: only cho chikun is capable of reading that
JanGret[10k]: So where does black want to connect? L15 group or o5?
Move 101
kusrabs[6k]: may be there's some g5 pressure?
The Treeman[2k]: Variation: connect like this
The Treeman[2k]: Variation: good for white
Move 102
Walter666[?]: the first way isnt gonna work
Move 103
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: No connection
Walter666[?]: agree
Move 105
Badukness05[2k]: siasio the new shin jinseo
Move 106
Zaphodian[?]: I am not getting W's moves here
Zaphodian[?]: He pretends he can kill it - I wonder
Move 108
tryk8[?]: Siasio plays as he wants to kill
tryk8[?]: but it is not possible
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: hard to kill
Move 109
tryk8[?]: And now he has problems
Zaphodian[?]: I have no ideas for White now
nidza[?]: looking impossible to kill
JanGret[10k]: Variation: half trapped
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: activation of the cut at A
bobsof[2d]: I thought W would play N11 instead of N10
Alexey_Khovanets[?]: Variation: 7
bobsof[2d]: I mean instead of L10
tryk8[?]: The problem is that b (almost) activated p14 cut.
Move 110
tryk8[?]: Ooooo
DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[3d]: aie aie aie he wants to kill
Move 115
Kamakiri[1k]: Variation: Wow
tryk8[?]: but has to defend first
Kamakiri[1k]: After all, he got M12 in sente, I'm quite surprised
kusrabs[6k]: white loses center, I suppose. Black can live here or die with big losses for white.
Fisherman_M[6k]: looks like b now wants to kill too P14
kusrabs[6k]: May be b shouldn't? If it was me I'd come to c5
The Treeman[2k]: W has to connect
Move 117
Fisherman_M[6k]: if b14 is closed next move is L14 to connect all that group in the center
Move 118
The Treeman[2k]: Variation: white can do this
Fisherman_M[6k]: hope it's all a fantasy and fellas have more solid plan in heads
The Treeman[2k]: wait this won't work, top right white will die
The Treeman[2k]: Variation: black win
Fisherman_M[6k]: that's nice option
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: First idea for B but hard to read out
kusrabs[6k]: Why not just n13?
Move 119
CarloTibaldi[1d]: Why W didn't cut directly at N11?
kusrabs[6k]: Zaphodian , he wrote
Move 122
JanGret[10k]: finally the connection
Badukness05[2k]: seems w is dying
gojigs[4d]: i think b dies ;)
The Treeman[2k]: Variation: white wins this
Move 123
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W cut at N11 was a good candidate
hypergeometric[5k]: W cut doesn't work now ?
CarloTibaldi[1d]: Thank you Rob :-)
tryk8[?]: looks like game over
gojigs[4d]: for whom?
MuYu[8k]: Why?
tryk8[?]: For Siasio
The Treeman[2k]: Variation: hard for black
CarloTibaldi[1d]: It's a long way to Tipperary ;-)
Move 124
tryk8[?]: IMHO very hard for w
Move 126
tryk8[?]: almost impossible
Move 128
The Treeman[2k]: game not finish yet
The Treeman[2k]: center B not totally dead
Move 129
tryk8[?]: b makes life without any problems
The Treeman[2k]: Variation: this?
tryk8[?]: and w lost all his territory
Badukness05[2k]: thats what happens when you use ai style
Ashi1989[?]: everyone are using AI style now :)
Move 130
The Treeman[2k]: except one man for sure
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B will secure eyes
Ashi1989[?]: W all in
Ashi1989[?]: :D
Move 131
Zaphodian[?]: woah
Badukness05[2k]: bloody
Lukan[?]: aha
tryk8[?]: is w dead?
The Treeman[2k]: no
Ashi1989[?]: no - there is connection in T11
Palko[2p]: S9 just blew the game
tryk8[?]: but t11-t10
Whirly[1d]: doesn't actually live
Zaphodian[?]: Variation: W is dying
Levvo[4d]: Bit late to the party. Siasio is 2p as well?
tryk8[?]: t11-t10-s10-s13
Celebrir[2d]: Shortage of lieberties with cut at S13
Whirly[1d]: Variation: .
gojigs[4d]: buy white doesnt have to block, no?
The Treeman[2k]: white has to response withT11
Ashi1989[?]: W can S14 before T14
JanGret[10k]: @levvo 7d Amateuer, good canditate for next eu pro
Ashi1989[?]: I cant see how to show it :D
Levvo[4d]: Thanks!
tryk8[?]: no life
Cezary[5d]: stas is the best teacher in europe
Cezary[5d]: i tel lyou
gojigs[4d]: stas is really one of the best teachers :)
Levvo[4d]: This game part of some tournament or they just having fun?
tryk8[?]: It was a very good game. Perhaps the fight was not needed.
Cezary[5d]: tournament
Move 136
Cezary[5d]: gran prix finals :)
Cezary[5d]: one of the top events in europe
Move 137
tryk8[?]: wow
tryk8[?]: k12
The Treeman[2k]: it wont work
tryk8[?]: yes
tryk8[?]: so time to resign
tryk8[?]: it's so pity
artem92[2p]: thanks
💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: gg!
Siasio[?]: Thank you!
JanGret[10k]: gg
jthat[2k]: pretty impressive how amateurs are nearly pro level in europe
Fisherman_M[6k]: gg
tschoppi[8k]: gg
ManyBears[?]: gg
Siasio[?]: I thought Black gained in the top left
artem92[2p]: seems so
dacat1[7d]: congrats ^^
artem92[2p]: but then I was careless in the center
Siasio[?]: it was difficult for White in the center, I thought if White doesn't kill, White cannot win
Siasio[?]: instead of O5 I expected G5
LVL79[4k]: Артем, вітаю!!!
artem92[2p]: true, O5 might be not good
artem92[2p]: alright, see you tomorrow
Siasio[?]: see you!
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