Game Finished

[17:09] Kamakiri[1k]: I'd play D16 in this situation and then lose miserably. Not because I like that move but because AI loves it. And I don't have any other place to put a stone either...

[17:09] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: hahaha

[17:10] awaytoplay[6d]: d16 won't lose the game

Move 20

[17:10] Kamakiri[1k]: It will lose the game when I'm the one who's playing it :D

[17:10] Rocco[1d]: Seems super early for a fifth line move.

Move 22

[17:11] US2Windsor[2k]: ：）

[17:11] awaytoplay[6d]: it is psychologically not easy to add a stone to the lower half of the board

[17:11] awaytoplay[6d]: because g3 and r3 are both low

Move 23

[17:11] awaytoplay[6d]: Variation: empty framwork

Move 24

[17:12] awaytoplay[6d]: Variation: reduced

Move 26

[17:12] Rocco[1d]: C16 still works later right?

[17:12] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: ohh they are playing quite fast again ^^

[17:14] filip.diloom[2d]: neither player want to be in time trouble when fighting starts

Move 30

[17:14] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: woah what is this shape

Move 31

[17:15] Kamakiri[1k]: It's joseki

[17:15] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: really? o.o

Move 34

[17:15] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i've never seen this joseki, but tbh i never play 3-3's myself so...

[17:15] Whirly[1d]: well the situation is a bit different

[17:15] Kamakiri[1k]: Yeah AI exactly suggested these moves for both

[17:16] Whirly[1d]: but resembles am old joseki

[17:16] Kamakiri[1k]: And now black has to play O15

Move 36

[17:16] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: heh palko disagrees

[17:16] Whirly[1d]: strange

Move 41

[17:17] Kamakiri[1k]: After R19, white winrate was %94. But now it is %85 if white plays Q13

[17:17] Kamakiri[1k]: White definitely hated P18

[17:18] Kamakiri[1k]: AI hated*

Move 46

[17:21] bensho[4d]: hated? like it.

[17:21] filip.diloom[2d]: white is kind of thin but B feels broken

[17:21] Rocco[1d]: Ilya's consistency is insane.

[17:23] JaroTheFirst[2k]: Drzim palce, Palko

Move 47

[17:24] joe_rickard[9k]: Review: ##604969

Move 48

[17:25] Kamakiri[1k]: Aaaand it's ko

Move 49

[17:25] yahel.or.3[6d]: https://www.twitch.tv/isibboi Anyone who wants to see

Move 50

[17:26] filip.diloom[2d]: does b Have a ko threat?

[17:27] Kamakiri[1k]: N17 is a local Ko Threat I think

[17:27] Mardipaev[3d]: no it's not

[17:27] Mardipaev[3d]: Variation: something like this

Move 53

[17:28] filip.diloom[2d]: more like the ko is two stage for w

[17:28] Kamakiri[1k]: AI says white has to answer with N16

[17:28] Mardipaev[3d]: or maybe i'll eat my words -,-`

[17:28] dacat1[7d]: what a party already

[17:29] awaytoplay[6d]: white can afford to die here

[17:29] dacat1[7d]: yes...

[17:29] Kamakiri[1k]: Variation: AI Variation (equal)

[17:29] dacat1[7d]: even if white uses q4 as a threat, he's not bad i suppose

[17:30] nomadic[4k]: arent these guys bored of playing each other

Move 54

[17:30] demetregelashvilo123[?]: i am lowest rank here B)

Move 56

[17:31] OGA937[2k]: Nomadic. Don't think so. It always fan to play with a friend. I guess they are)

Move 62

[17:32] dacat1[7d]: ooof

[17:32] dacat1[7d]: Ilya starting to make payments for this ko

[17:32] dacat1[7d]: not sure I agree

[17:32] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: mmmh isnt b gaining for these G2 G1 threats?

Move 63

[17:32] dacat1[7d]: g2 is fine

[17:32] tekken8[1d]: gotta love these early kos

Move 64

[17:32] awaytoplay[6d]: white can no longer afford to die here

Move 65

[17:33] dacat1[7d]: g2 is almost not a loss because you would rarely play h2 peep anyway

[17:33] dacat1[7d]: giving h1 stone is more serious business though

[17:33] demetregelashvilo123[?]: maybe i am really dumb but, cant B kill G1,G2?

[17:33] Mkyle[1d]: Is q14 a solid local threat? Or just lossy? Is that letting b off?

[17:34] dacat1[7d]: q14 is bad for external liberties

[17:34] dacat1[7d]: some issues with o15 cut afterwards

Move 70

[17:36] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: does anyone can imagine a GOOD result overall for b here?

Move 71

[17:37] AvikDragon55[4k]: nope

[17:37] AvikDragon55[4k]: not me

[17:37] 💖 KoBa 💖[1k]: i can imagine many dead white stones if b wins the ko

[17:37] dushki[?]: i cant imagine anything :P

Move 72

[17:38] dacat1[7d]: it annoys me that, as far as I can tell, the only reason white played g1 instead of g4 first was that he was concerned black will take g1 instead of connect h3

[17:38] Avtikh[2p]: i imagine all the people

[17:38] Avtikh[2p]: sharing all the world

[17:38] Love[1d]: in happiness?

[17:38] dacat1[7d]: o/

[17:38] Kamakiri[1k]: o7

[17:38] Igloo[2k]: imagines dragons & pukes.

[17:38] drmwc[7d]: Living lives of peace....

Move 73

[17:39] Avtikh[2p]: not on this board tho

Move 74

[17:39] dushki[?]: XD

Move 76

[17:39] dushki[?]: pls can someone tell me what happens if black takes G1,G2?

[17:39] tekken8[1d]: w got g4 g14 g16 and m17 capture from the ko already

[17:39] dushki[?]: i am new to this game

[17:39] dushki[?]: want to learn

[17:39] Kamakiri[1k]: AI absolutely hates this KO and suggests black to play J5, white to play F12

[17:40] Daimo[3k]: @dushki - then white gets sente and its a bad move

[17:40] dacat1[7d]: this ko is too grotesque...

[17:40] Avtikh[2p]: @kamakiri I think thats because of n19

[17:40] Welvang[3d]: Review: ##604978

[17:40] Avtikh[2p]: this ko is not direct anymore

[17:40] dacat1[7d]: i should be doing my homework,

[17:40] dacat1[7d]: but i cant

[17:40] omdn03[3k]: lol

[17:40] Love[1d]: same lol

[17:40] 美国唐杰[3d]: PogChanp, Welvang 2k :O

[17:41] Kamakiri[1k]: Thanks Ali!

[17:41] dushki[?]: same here XD

[17:41] Love[1d]: id like to ban the H word from the chat

[17:41] dacat1[7d]: after white m16, the logical thing for both players should be to ignore the ko

[17:41] nice-round-tv[16k]: I'm at work, checking in when I hear a stone clack

[17:41] Free Tibet[2k]: That's more important than homework

[17:41] shinuito[1d]: Did I expect a crazy ko this early, kind of, but I'm still surprised

[17:41] dacat1[7d]: because the ko has steps now

[17:41] US2Windsor[2k]: not good

[17:41] dacat1[7d]: should be worth ignoring

[17:41] Free Tibet[2k]: What's homework to life and death problems?

[17:41] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: looks like a stregy of mine: mess up the game really early and then run run run after to win... and fail

[17:42] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: :-)

[17:42] dacat1[7d]: i actually dislike n19: big payment to kinda maybe sorta not really fix the corner

[17:42] dacat1[7d]: white's shape outside is amazing now

Move 78

[17:43] awaytoplay[6d]: n19 allowed white to die again, now the ko is only about points

[17:43] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: m17 gone is already bad :-(

[17:44] carmelcake[12k]: p17 is gone right

[17:45] Kamakiri[1k]: If Black ignores the Ko, it's slightly good for Black. If black turns back to the ko, game is slightly good for white

Move 79

[17:45] filip.diloom[2d]: it's not big enough anymore

[17:45] carmelcake[12k]: okay

Move 81

[17:45] US2Windsor[2k]: what is AI saying now? thx

[17:46] Rocco[1d]: It's still pretty big though :P

[17:46] filip.diloom[2d]: they each have a floating stick to look after

[17:46] 이대연[13k]: Review: ##604983

[17:46] kendfrey[10k]: pretty even according to kata

[17:46] death_taxes[1k]: w+1

Move 84

[17:46] dacat1[7d]: im guessing w was quite a bit better after n19, but then he took r18 and donated sente

[17:46] carmelcake[12k]: i will be here for the whole game

Move 85

[17:47] Free Tibet[2k]: You could stay longer

Move 86

[17:47] carmelcake[12k]: i have nothing else to do so sure

[17:48] Fab9876[?]: Why C6 ? I don't get it

Move 88

[17:48] carmelcake[12k]: cause c5 connect to f4 group

[17:49] death_taxes[1k]: P18 #35 -27.04%O19 #48 -15.31%M18 #60 -15.13%S15 #40 -11.25%B5 #79 -9.93%G1 #62 -9.00%

[17:49] carmelcake[12k]: and cuts off d6

Move 90

[17:49] death_taxes[1k]: biggest blunders

Move 92

[17:50] cjean[8k]: c5 was fine

[17:51] pianoman[1d]: Who is ahead?

[17:51] cjean[8k]: for black instead of b6

[17:51] cjean[8k]: white

[17:51] Rocco[1d]: This looks too good for white.

[17:51] US2Windsor[2k]: I don't like B on Cxx, since it makes B Hxx week

Move 93

[17:51] Saddharmapundarika[7k]: they choose such odd direction of play

[17:52] Welvang[1p]: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation

[17:53] pianoman[1d]: I’m having trouble figuring out the status of the upper right. Is it ok?

Move 96

[17:53] dlpigozzi[4k]: it is ko

[17:53] dlpigozzi[4k]: not ok

[17:53] dlpigozzi[4k]: :P

Move 98

[17:53] cjean[8k]: black dead

[17:53] pianoman[1d]: Haha ko*

[17:54] Rocco[1d]: T15?

[17:54] AvikDragon55[4k]: Ko

[17:54] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: ?????

[17:54] death_taxes[1k]: T17 kinda bad

[17:54] Kamakiri[1k]: White This was a big mistake according to AI, just play Q5 or Q9 says Aı

[17:54] Rocco[1d]: Gonna provide a reason?

[17:54] AvikDragon55[4k]: Variation: 1

[17:55] AvikDragon55[4k]: @carmlecake

[17:55] death_taxes[1k]: Q5 here for b

[17:55] dlpigozzi[4k]: w will do R18

Move 99

[17:55] Saddharmapundarika[7k]: most likely because even white wins ko now black gets sente

[17:56] dlpigozzi[4k]: in avik's variation I meant

[17:56] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: so this first

Move 100

[17:56] pianoman[1d]: White also needs 2 moves to end the ko doesn’t he?

[17:56] dlpigozzi[4k]: yep

Move 103

[17:57] dlpigozzi[4k]: and now? big threats?

[17:57] dlpigozzi[4k]: love it, c16

[17:57] death_taxes[1k]: C16 not good

[17:57] Rocco[1d]: lol. death_taxes, you just running your ai?

[17:57] death_taxes[1k]: appr. -2p

[17:57] dlpigozzi[4k]: could W ignore?

[17:57] death_taxes[1k]: obviously

[17:57] Rocco[1d]: Well, people are suggesting human moves. No reason to shoot every single one down.

[17:57] Rocco[1d]: Anybody can run an Ai.

[17:57] death_taxes[1k]: to me it looks like a valid ko threat

[17:58] death_taxes[1k]: i don't disagree

[17:58] dlpigozzi[4k]: then c17 takes the corner, and the aji looks good for F17and the group

[17:58] carmelcake[12k]: i like debaiting so no ai

[17:58] death_taxes[1k]: some people asked for AI a couple of messages ago and i'm happy to oblige

[17:58] dlpigozzi[4k]: is fine

[17:58] dlpigozzi[4k]: thx for sharing it

[17:59] carmelcake[12k]: still nice to now what ai is thinking

Move 106

[17:59] Rocco[1d]: I can agree with that. But just saying x is not good, without a reason, doesn't really help either.

[18:00] pianoman[1d]: My guess is that it is a threat that strengthens whites position slightly?

[18:00] dlpigozzi[4k]: D11? breakladder and peep?

[18:00] LingDao[3k]: I feel AI gives a fake feeling of understanding. For your human game knowing what stronger humans think to find good moves helps a lot more

[18:00] fatihgo[2d]: ignore?

[18:00] Евгений Сочи[3k]: Смешно видеть как (к) обсуждают Профи)))

[18:01] Rocco[1d]: It's nice to know the AI's favourite move to indicate direction of play though.

[18:01] Евгений Сочи[3k]: (d) молчат

Move 107

[18:02] carmelcake[12k]: how does everyone feel about h16

[18:02] carmelcake[12k]: group

[18:02] S_Alexander[3d]: Даны общаются телепатией.

[18:02] dlpigozzi[4k]: palko is rerving the aji at K18 and so, he didnt touch it there

[18:02] Trollbridge[9k]: W m13 here?

[18:02] dlpigozzi[4k]: probably W's answer is painful

[18:02] Евгений Сочи[3k]: может понимают больше))) вот и молчат))

[18:03] dlpigozzi[4k]: resrving*

[18:03] Saddharmapundarika[7k]: shindig strategy

[18:03] gaxxlol[3d]: carmelcake, this looks like a group that would eventually die if I were playing black

[18:03] Saddharmapundarika[7k]: *shinogi strategy

[18:03] death_taxes[1k]: first deep thinking for Ilya?

[18:04] kamistar[?]: I enjoy this game with graphical style of Conquest of Go.

[18:06] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: options still dont know if black will live though ?????? just my kyu selfs thinking 😭

Move 112

[18:07] carmelcake[12k]: from move 107 blue line

[18:07] Rocco[1d]: ouch

[18:08] Rocco[1d]: what's the score lead now?

[18:08] carmelcake[12k]: ohhh that hurts

[18:08] death_taxes[1k]: even

[18:08] Rocco[1d]: dang

[18:08] Rocco[1d]: I expected white to lead

[18:09] death_taxes[1k]: S19 though was almost -5p

[18:09] Rocco[1d]: How do you mean almost?

Move 114

[18:09] death_taxes[1k]: there are decimals

[18:09] carmelcake[12k]: well black has a toe in whites territory

[18:09] Tybalt[2d]: Review: ##604991

[18:10] fatihgo[2d]: is k5 the blue spot here?

Move 115

[18:10] kendfrey[10k]: yes

Move 117

[18:12] carmelcake[12k]: i think g11 looks good

[18:14] Tsoy17[3d]: Review: ##604995

[18:14] death_taxes[1k]: maybe the plan for w is to attack the J7 stones and with the thickness in the center reduce/invade the right?

[18:14] tresscd[5k]: i like that reading

Move 120

[18:16] Rocco[1d]: wow G6 was quite sharp!

[18:16] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: i think white getting some area in here would be good for him

Move 123

[18:20] david.maqueira24[?]: i felt e13 personally

[18:21] carmelcake[12k]: can white connect

[18:21] dlpigozzi[4k]: Variation: the 3 floating?

[18:22] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: 4

[18:22] carmelcake[12k]: can white connect

[18:22] carmelcake[12k]: ???????

[18:22] Free Tibet[2k]: yes

[18:23] Braincrash[?]: maybe L13

Move 124

[18:23] Rocco[1d]: EGF stream is quality.

Move 125

[18:23] sassycat7[5d]: Go palko!

[18:24] carmelcake[12k]: oooooh

[18:24] carmelcake[12k]: i am liking black right know

[18:25] carmelcake[12k]: so what next??????

[18:25] Braincrash[?]: b is far behind

[18:25] hypergeometric[5k]: white P10

[18:26] Braincrash[?]: maybe Q9

[18:26] carmelcake[12k]: true but everyone likes an underdog

[18:26] Free Tibet[2k]: L9

[18:26] hypergeometric[5k]: maybe, but W9 looks a bit too inside already no ?

[18:27] Braincrash[?]: 3 stones r not important yet

[18:27] Free Tibet[2k]: W9 is illegal move

[18:27] hypergeometric[5k]: oh I meant Q9

[18:28] tresscd[5k]: :)

[18:28] carmelcake[12k]: i agree with hyper

[18:28] Free Tibet[2k]: q9 is too deep

[18:28] Braincrash[?]: b is too weak

[18:29] carmelcake[12k]: later q9 might be nice though

[18:29] carmelcake[12k]: who knows

[18:29] death_taxes[1k]: top choice here is R2...

[18:30] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: 5

[18:30] carmelcake[12k]: will the black stone turn into territory though

Move 126

[18:32] Braincrash[?]: easy path

Move 128

[18:34] Sadiker[?]: N4 looks nice

Move 129

[18:35] carmelcake[12k]: i think connect those black stones in variation 5 will be easy but will it be just a line or more

[18:35] david.maqueira24[?]: shape move

[18:35] dlpigozzi[4k]: few points in the middle

[18:35] dlpigozzi[4k]: just surviving is fine

[18:35] carmelcake[12k]: true

[18:36] pianoman[1d]: That move also threatens the white group on the side

[18:36] Braincrash[?]: F7

[18:37] david.maqueira24[?]: c11 would be super safe prevents black from moving in and protects the cutting point at c10

Move 130

[18:38] david.maqueira24[?]: i see this man wants to fight i like the spirit

Move 131

[18:39] Braincrash[?]: b has to fight

Move 132

[18:40] 1weigo[4k]: Are there playint online?

[18:40] kendfrey[10k]: yes this is the actual game

[18:40] 1weigo[4k]: playing*

Move 136

[18:41] death_taxes[1k]: b+6 here

[18:41] 1weigo[4k]: Where does this game take place?

[18:41] Trevoke[7k]: here

Move 137

[18:41] 1weigo[4k]: Here ?

[18:42] Trevoke[7k]: they play von their computers

[18:42] explo[4d]: theyre playing from home

[18:42] 1weigo[4k]: ah ok

[18:42] explo[4d]: they're*

[18:42] kendfrey[10k]: c11 was apparently 5 points loss

Move 142

[18:44] hypergeometric[5k]: why not black J12 ?

[18:44] HAILTOME[5k]: c11 was not necessary

[18:45] notGood justOk[10k]: ahoj palo

[18:45] david.maqueira24[?]: W, e10 B E11 W, F10 splits the groups does it not ?

Move 144

[18:46] carmelcake[12k]: i guess he thought q2 area was more important

Move 145

[18:46] 1weigo[4k]: roln (3p) plays c11 and you think (11k) it's not necessary?????????

[18:47] mcpudding[7k]: 11k always right

[18:47] david.maqueira24[?]: probably points wise

[18:47] death_taxes[1k]: that's one scary looking box

[18:47] kusrabs[6k]: may be the 11k looks to the Kata 9p?

[18:47] vegetta8787[8k]: what is 3p?

[18:47] vegetta8787[8k]: I thought it was 3d as dan?

[18:47] david.maqueira24[?]: kata 10p*

[18:47] hypergeometric[5k]: it's 3 pan

[18:47] IronEyes[3k]: professional dan

[18:47] hypergeometric[5k]: it's the number of pans they have in their kitchen

[18:47] david.maqueira24[?]: ^spittin

[18:48] mateussouza10101[20k]: and d is the number of kitchen drawers

[18:48] vegetta8787[8k]: what is pan?

[18:48] vegetta8787[8k]: are these people actually on this server or it's like a replay from another game?

[18:48] david.maqueira24[?]: actual people

[18:48] mateussouza10101[20k]: this is a live game

Move 146

[18:49] carmelcake[12k]: think black still has e11 and possible connect to h13

[18:49] vegetta8787[8k]: but I mean on this server? not a mirror from another live game like elsewhere?

[18:49] kendfrey[10k]: no, this is not a mirror

Move 147

[18:49] vegetta8787[8k]: I never realized actual people played here

[18:49] vegetta8787[8k]: is it me or is black winning?

[18:50] Michal_SK[10k]: Variation: 6

[18:50] david.maqueira24[?]: really depends on how he develops the influence in the middle and right side

[18:50] Braincrash[?]: its harder for w than it used to

[18:50] david.maqueira24[?]: i would sayyes currently

[18:50] mcpudding[7k]: i wonder how white will handle the q10 area

[18:51] mcpudding[7k]: it looks so massive

Move 148

[18:51] david.maqueira24[?]: like that

[18:51] 2022[1k]: woahh

[18:51] mcpudding[7k]: XD

[18:51] 2022[1k]: 305 people

[18:51] david.maqueira24[?]: lmao

[18:51] 2022[1k]: this is so cool

[18:51] 2022[1k]: woah

[18:51] Braincrash[?]: late

[18:51] david.maqueira24[?]: i ecpect a pincer to prevent the base or a cap to build center

[18:51] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: black can still do run at bottom abcd area is in danger

[18:52] IronEyes[3k]: kick?

[18:52] elsky[3d]: don't tell me this can live

Move 149

[18:52] Braincrash[?]: something lives

[18:52] paintcan[4d]: this is an extremely late probe

[18:52] david.maqueira24[?]: didnt expect that

[18:52] IronEyes[3k]: kinda kick

[18:52] death_taxes[1k]: if it was someone else i'd say this will die, but knowing that Ilya is playing...

[18:52] hypergeometric[5k]: wow R9 even deeper than Q9

[18:53] hypergeometric[5k]: maybe he'll sacrifice this stone to reduce ?

[18:53] mcpudding[7k]: i guess we all just watch and learn now

[18:53] Braincrash[?]: R13 is not alive yet, or L13

[18:53] Rocco[1d]: death_taxes: what's the score like?

[18:53] death_taxes[1k]: maybe the plan is to sacrifice it in good style?

[18:54] Braincrash[?]: if w just dies b+20

[18:54] 1oftheones[20k]: hello

[18:54] death_taxes[1k]: B+4.5

Move 150

[18:54] david.maqueira24[?]: i am not very smart but m12 looks interesting someone talk me out of it

[18:54] Rocco[1d]: ta

[18:54] death_taxes[1k]: this looks so heavy...

Move 151

[18:54] notGood justOk[10k]: why m12?

[18:55] Braincrash[?]: M12 N13

[18:55] notGood justOk[10k]: maybe later

[18:55] david.maqueira24[?]: very slow and i say that bc it threatens the o13 cut and slitting groups while giving an out to his stones on the right side

[18:55] Braincrash[?]: N13 looks like the key spot

[18:55] paintcan[4d]: m11 is what my eye is draw to but i can't say it's good enough

[18:55] david.maqueira24[?]: but doesnt look like it will move that way

[18:56] death_taxes[1k]: yeah, M12, N12, N11 are top choices

[18:56] notGood justOk[10k]: right area is important now i guess

[18:56] david.maqueira24[?]: woohoo im not as small brain as i thought

[18:57] SloMoFoGo[12k]: slomoe

[18:57] david.maqueira24[?]: is this japanese biyomi ?

[18:57] IronEyes[3k]: fischer time

[18:57] kendfrey[10k]: fischer with +20s per move

[18:58] david.maqueira24[?]: thank you

[18:58] carmelcake[12k]: j10 looks kind insecure to me ???

Move 152

[18:59] david.maqueira24[?]: i like this

Move 154

[18:59] 2022[1k]: can they see our chats?

[18:59] TexasMomtears[7k]: no

[18:59] david.maqueira24[?]: no

[18:59] mcpudding[7k]: ofc they can see our chat

[19:00] 2022[1k]: what

[19:00] mcpudding[7k]: lol

[19:00] 2022[1k]: im confused

[19:00] mcpudding[7k]: rly

[19:00] mateussouza10101[20k]: no lol

[19:00] 2022[1k]: ok

[19:00] Daimo[3k]: they cannot until the end of game

[19:00] Daimo[3k]: and then it becomes available

[19:00] 2022[1k]: ohhhh

[19:00] 2022[1k]: ohhh makes sense

[19:00] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: ??????

[19:00] 2022[1k]: $*!% bruh they started 12:03 and its 1:59 now

[19:00] paintcan[4d]: otherwise they'd steal all the good moves posted here

[19:00] 2022[1k]: its been 2 hours

[19:00] sithari[1d]: this looks gg

[19:01] david.maqueira24[?]: lmao "good moves"

[19:01] Jon Reece[1d]: Ho - ho!

[19:01] mateussouza10101[20k]: >good moves

[19:01] david.maqueira24[?]: why r5 ?

Move 155

[19:02] sithari[1d]: trade

[19:02] sithari[1d]: corner for side

[19:02] carmelcake[12k]: yes i agreewith sithari

Move 158

[19:03] Kamakiri[1k]: This is a move to kill

Move 161

[19:06] 2022[1k]: anyone got tips for getting to 1k or 1d

[19:06] death_taxes[1k]: watch hikaru 10 times

[19:06] pizza_with_2_z[2d]: practice

[19:06] david.maqueira24[?]: any tips on getting to 24kyu?

[19:06] estrange[5d]: sausages

[19:06] 2022[1k]: whats that

[19:06] 2022[1k]: 24k shouldntt be that hard

[19:06] david.maqueira24[?]: lots of sausages

[19:07] 2022[1k]: if you know the rules ad can apply them to the board ur basically 20k

[19:07] carmelcake[12k]: learn about two eyes

[19:07] nidza[?]: anything but studying should do

[19:07] nidza[?]: reading inspiration books

[19:07] nidza[?]: etc

[19:07] carmelcake[12k]: fake eyes

[19:07] 2022[1k]: yea

[19:07] carmelcake[12k]: ladders

[19:07] 2022[1k]: wait nidza you beat this guy??

Move 162

[19:07] 2022[1k]: nidza dude

[19:07] estrange[5d]: asking on a chat is not the quickiest way

[19:08] carmelcake[12k]: and basic surrounding

[19:08] 2022[1k]: where else do i ask

[19:08] kusrabs[6k]: <error> , win Shikshin just once.

[19:08] Braincrash[?]: 2022 based on ur curve just wait a couple days

[19:08] estrange[5d]: well... in churches

Move 164

[19:08] carmelcake[12k]: also watch games of strong players and try to play along

[19:08] 2022[1k]: oh

[19:08] 2022[1k]: i see i guess

[19:08] david.maqueira24[?]: give up and play chess its what i did lmao

[19:09] Aeverden[5k]: ))

Move 165

[19:09] carmelcake[12k]: see how they play agaisnt your own playing

[19:09] 2022[1k]: i started chess a week ago

[19:09] carmelcake[12k]: it helps

[19:09] 2022[1k]: yea i guess

[19:09] 2022[1k]: similar logical thinking? kinda?

[19:09] paintcan[4d]: chess seems harder to me than go

[19:09] 2022[1k]: anyone else supposed to be in class rn

[19:09] carmelcake[12k]: see how they play agaisnt your own playing

[19:09] david.maqueira24[?]: chess wasnt bad got to 1200 after 3 weeks way easier than go

[19:09] death_taxes[1k]: can w afford not to connecr?

[19:10] 2022[1k]: wha the heck

[19:10] 2022[1k]: its been a week and im at like 300

[19:10] david.maqueira24[?]: just do puzzles for 3 hrs a day and play 20 games it worked for me

[19:10] kendfrey[10k]: I think chess is easier to grasp at the beginning

[19:10] Braincrash[?]: 6k is only 1 basic concept away from 1d

[19:11] david.maqueira24[?]: yeah in the 1800+ range chess gets really wild

[19:11] carmelcake[12k]: i dont know death taxes

[19:11] 2022[1k]: "1 concept away from 1d" lmaoo

[19:11] 2022[1k]: cap

[19:11] 2022[1k]: i played a dan player earlier on 9x9 and he was noticably better

[19:11] paintcan[4d]: i like being able to look at the board and have a rough understanding of what is going on

Move 167

[19:11] kendfrey[10k]: ai reading out 45-move variations right now

[19:12] david.maqueira24[?]: white seems to be playing really thiccc

[19:12] 2022[1k]: not rly

Move 168

[19:12] 2022[1k]: not on the bottom tbh

[19:12] WaterAngel[3d]: @2022 aside from reading skill, you have to change your mindset to mprove

Move 169

[19:12] paintcan[4d]: chess is 100% life and death

[19:12] 2022[1k]: how do u know

Move 170

[19:12] rasatsu[1d]: in chess it's really hard to get a feel for how a game of players much better than you is going, in go you at least can see what might be the issues they're fighting over

[19:12] 2022[1k]: did u look at my games

Move 173

[19:14] Seward[13k]: I actually see it the other way rasatsu, that also might be because I play much more chess than go though

[19:14] 2022[1k]: black can play at l2 rn

[19:14] Rocco[1d]: chess is very one dimensional ~~

[19:14] 2022[1k]: best move in my ooinion

[19:15] 2022[1k]: white playing at k2 cant stop black from connecting

[19:15] death_taxes[1k]: 1d in what way?

[19:15] rasatsu[1d]: if your rank is any reflection of your go abilities, then that makes sense

[19:15] 2022[1k]: r u guys old or nah

[19:15] bigwizard[9k]: is this sudden death time settings?

[19:15] carmelcake[12k]: white h5

[19:16] 2022[1k]: nah

[19:16] JanSimara[?]: b wins this tgame

[19:16] 2022[1k]: white k2 is better

[19:16] rasatsu[1d]: you can check the game information on the panel on the right

[19:16] 2022[1k]: e18 is also pretty cool

[19:16] kusrabs[6k]: oh... Bad news from Ekaterina... But for whom -- better to be silent, right?

Move 174

[19:17] carmelcake[12k]: ouch

Move 175

[19:17] US2Windsor[2k]: too bigger for Black

Move 176

[19:17] death_taxes[1k]: w is starting to slip

[19:18] 2022[1k]: guys what do u think is bigger l2 or e18

[19:18] rasatsu[1d]: I don't think pure point collecting moves are the point atm

[19:18] gisel88.gm[?]: Isnt w ahead by like 5 points?

[19:18] AvikDragon55[4k]: yeah

[19:18] 2022[1k]: not rly

[19:18] Braincrash[?]: i think that

[19:18] JanSimara[?]: b is

[19:18] 2022[1k]: its blacks move

[19:18] JanSimara[?]: with better aji

[19:18] 2022[1k]: so black could easily be ahead by playing e18

[19:18] 2022[1k]: or l2

Move 177

[19:19] 2022[1k]: that puts white lower right group in need of eyes

Move 178

[19:19] 2022[1k]: the score estimator isnt that accurate sometimes

[19:19] 2022[1k]: it doesnt take into account lots of things

[19:20] rasatsu[1d]: i don't think the score estimator runs a full analysis of the game

[19:20] rasatsu[1d]: as an ai playing the game would

[19:20] Rocco[1d]: nothing is worse than ogs score estimator

[19:20] Rocco[1d]: lol

[19:20] Rocco[1d]: even considering it is sinful :D

[19:20] rasatsu[1d]: kgs score estimator

[19:21] rasatsu[1d]: is worse

Move 180

[19:21] SardishGo[4k]: L2 kill 8 points for W

[19:21] Braincrash[?]: looks gote

[19:22] Braincrash[?]: J6 I think

Move 181

[19:22] kusrabs[6k]: I noticed that Ilia a few times lost the second games in series, but first and third plays as a demon. What you think?

Move 182

[19:24] carmelcake[12k]: be right back in a minute

Move 183

[19:25] SardishGo[4k]: O2 does not wor for blak - better k2 to erode points

Move 187

[19:27] CarloTibaldi[1d]: the problem is W life

Move 188

[19:27] SardishGo[4k]: i dont see escape foe W on low right

[19:28] CarloTibaldi[1d]: so if it is dead not necessary to erode points

[19:28] Photon_101[6k]: I think black is ahead?

[19:29] CarloTibaldi[1d]: where?

[19:29] kendfrey[10k]: katago says black is winning by 35

[19:29] IronEyes[3k]: if that white group is dead absolutely

[19:29] kendfrey[10k]: it must think w is dead

[19:29] SardishGo[4k]: black m1 W dead.. i think, but i'm only low level player

[19:29] Sadiker[?]: j6

[19:29] kusrabs[6k]: White just trains black to play until the very end. Because... There's a lot Fortuna can do.

Move 192

[19:31] enthusi[5k]: white ran out of time though

Move 194

[19:32] burdakovadina[?]: R1 for White ko?

[19:32] Celebrir[2d]: W has alot of time tesujis

Move 195

[19:33] Love[1d]: hey white won that ko

Move 197

[19:33] SardishGo[4k]: W is nor looking for ko...just 2 eyes

Move 200

[19:34] dacat1[7d]: ko

[19:34] dacat1[7d]: nice

[19:34] Love[1d]: no i was here at the begining and watching the r17 ko

[19:34] rachelp92[?]: ko

Move 202

[19:34] Love[1d]: thats the one i meant

[19:35] Siasio[?]: N1 instead of P1 was killing, no?

Move 204

[19:35] kendfrey[10k]: kata thinks so

Move 205

[19:35] SardishGo[4k]: it is not ko..yet

[19:35] JanSimara[?]: it was

Move 207

[19:36] Siasio[?]: Palko is just making it more exciting for the viewers:)

Move 208

[19:36] enthusi[5k]: now w lives, doesnt it?

Move 210

[19:36] rachelp92[?]: he will live but

Move 211

[19:36] rachelp92[?]: at what cpst

[19:36] david.maqueira24[?]: super painful

Move 213

[19:37] rachelp92[?]: q6

Move 214

[19:37] JanSimara[?]: h7 threats kill center?

Move 215

[19:38] Love[1d]: that tesuji was so cool

Move 216

[19:38] JanSimara[?]: j12 just kills i think

[19:38] JanSimara[?]: nvm

Move 217

[19:38] JanSimara[?]: im blind

[19:38] brusok1995[?]: Review: ##605034

[19:38] rachelp92[?]: w has to ignore that one

Move 222

[19:39] rachelp92[?]: b f5

[19:40] SardishGo[4k]: l19 and the game is of black

[19:40] Michal_SK[10k]: k4 or j3

[19:40] david.maqueira24[?]: gg folks

Move 223

[19:41] Michal_SK[10k]: h9

[19:41] mirreke[4k]: How is that a threat?

[19:41] tekken8[1d]: j12

[19:41] kaleballinson[7k]: Black J12?

[19:42] Love[1d]: it doesnt look like blacks move is a threat at all

[19:42] enthusi[5k]: b h8 is annoying now

[19:42] Ninir[?]: j12 works now

[19:42] Love[1d]: how???

[19:42] tekken8[1d]: yep

[19:42] JanSimara[?]: b missed same stuff as I did

[19:42] rachelp92[?]: because J12 but I'm not sure J12 works

[19:42] Love[1d]: cant i still just ataria and then play n13

[19:42] afewgoodguy[2d]: j12 not work yet

[19:42] p20ggo[3d]: Review: ##605036

[19:42] tekken8[1d]: n13 doesnt work

Move 224

[19:42] JanSimara[?]: oh

[19:42] Radziol[3d]: b first l15

Move 226

[19:43] Love[1d]: doesnt seem to help

[19:43] JanSimara[?]: actually j12 worked

Move 228

[19:43] Kamakiri[1k]: Wow

[19:43] JanSimara[?]: so w going counter super well here

[19:43] tekken8[1d]: oh

Move 231

[19:44] JanSimara[?]: ko too heavy tho

[19:44] JanSimara[?]: gg

Move 234

[19:45] Michal_SK[10k]: ks or j4 ...

[19:45] Michal_SK[10k]: j3 or k4

[19:46] CheGuapara[12k]: would anyone care to explain to me why n1/n2 is so important? I'm having trouble understanding.. beginner ish player

[19:46] enthusi[5k]: why not w q3, b s3 w t1 ?

[19:46] Ninir[?]: j3 and k4 are irrelevant

[19:46] omeara[3k]: The life of the bottom right white group depends on it

[19:46] Kamakiri[1k]: If N! dies, all of those white stones will die

[19:46] notGood justOk[10k]: k12?

[19:46] Sadiker[?]: e5

[19:46] rachelp92[?]: f5

[19:46] carmelcake[12k]: Variation: ?????

Move 235

[19:46] tekken8[1d]: o13 maybe

Move 236

[19:47] tekken8[1d]: this is better

[19:47] CheGuapara[12k]: kamakiri thank you, but I don't see why white can't live by killing the s3 area

[19:47] P_Bateman[5k]: L11 AND fill the ko

Move 238

[19:47] Ninir[?]: he can't kill s3

[19:47] Love[1d]: s3 area is connected to the t6 group

Move 241

[19:47] Kamakiri[1k]: Holy $*!%

[19:47] kendfrey[10k]: holy

[19:47] Love[1d]: which is connected to the outside sorta

[19:47] Ninir[?]: q3 t4

[19:47] tekken8[1d]: holy balls

[19:47] CheGuapara[12k]: i see now

[19:47] CheGuapara[12k]: thanks

[19:48] burdakovadina[?]: Exciting game) I want to sleep, but i can't until game not finished

[19:48] B2 Bomber[2d]: crazy

[19:48] dacat1[7d]: whaaaa

[19:48] Love[1d]: wth

Move 243

[19:48] Love[1d]: black won the ko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[19:48] dacat1[7d]: can i focus on smth else for two minutes without everything exploding....

[19:48] Rocco[1d]: what happened

[19:48] notGood justOk[10k]: wooow

[19:48] Love[1d]: incredible

[19:48] Rocco[1d]: just heard people shouting on the stream

[19:48] Rocco[1d]: lol

Move 244

[19:49] omeara[3k]: i don't understand what just happened

Move 243

[19:49] Sadiker[?]: r11?

Move 244

[19:49] carmelcake[12k]: move 237 and move 238

Move 245

[19:49] Ninir[?]: can white win from this position ??

[19:49] Rocco[1d]: holy moly

[19:49] Rocco[1d]: :D

[19:49] tekken8[1d]: l1

[19:49] Kamakiri[1k]: Just L1 already :(

[19:49] Braincrash[?]: now i gotta recount

[19:50] Ninir[?]: j6 for white will be huge soon

Move 246

[19:50] kendfrey[10k]: l1 - n14

[19:50] JanSimara[?]: funny center group not alive

[19:50] notGood justOk[10k]: 1sec

[19:50] notGood justOk[10k]: XD

[19:50] bigwizard[9k]: I missed something?

[19:50] bigwizard[9k]: Why everyone surprised lol

Move 252

[19:50] Love[1d]: assuming white lives isnt it winning by a bit

Move 254

[19:51] Love[1d]: or am i crazy

Move 256

[19:51] Love[1d]: someone do the work for me

[19:51] Trevoke[7k]: dear lord this is a ko for .. the entire board, now?

[19:51] enthusi[5k]: white could possibly live from 'the inside' soon

[19:51] Photon_101[6k]: Now I think white wins if alive on the bottom

Move 257

[19:52] Love[1d]: that cant be big enough

[19:52] liquid[6d]: where is white points?

Move 258

[19:53] US2Windsor[2k]: time to remove KO

[19:53] notGood justOk[10k]: ok

Move 259

[19:53] Love[1d]: black doesnt have many points either does it?

[19:53] Photon_101[6k]: oH i forgot black lived in the top nvm I think black is winning?

[19:54] burdakovadina[?]: B ahead

Move 260

[19:54] Photon_101[6k]: black has the top the corner and the side

[19:54] rachelp92[?]: j18 big

Move 261

[19:54] Love[1d]: if white gets j18 the top is miniscule

[19:55] omeara[3k]: that was bigger than j18?

[19:55] mical[3d]: j18 is gote.

[19:55] mical[3d]: because white needs to fix J12 cut

[19:55] waffleslovehomes[3d]: so is e9?

[19:55] kaleballinson[7k]: It seems like if blak would have just won the ko on the bottom and give up whatever, then black would have had way more points. Am I wrong?

[19:55] rachelp92[?]: gote but big

[19:55] Braincrash[?]: Q10 i guess

[19:55] TomiP[3d]: I count black ~15pt ahead

Move 268

[19:56] Kamakiri[1k]: I really think it's less than 10 points

[19:56] US2Windsor[2k]: crt

[19:57] Love[1d]: the score estimate once corrected thinks its around 15

[19:57] tekken8[1d]: thats a weird move

Move 269

[19:57] notGood justOk[10k]: r13 dead?

[19:57] 2022[1k]: the score estimate says blacks bottom right is dead lolol

[19:57] Rocco[1d]: when will the decider be played?