Game Finished

Move 139

Lukan[13k]

1 capture

Avtikh[2p]

0 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Black wins by Resignation

Reviews

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Move 0

January 28, 2021

[14:18] Avtikh[2p]: have a nice game

[14:18] Lukan[?]: have a nice game!

Move 1

[14:18] kendfrey[13k]: hello

Move 10

[14:20] bobsof[1d]: Let the games continue!

[14:21] Zaphodian[?]: R14 is quite adventurous.

Move 13

[14:21] Zaphodian[?]: Usually, W will play 3 with or without exchanging 1 for 2 first.

[14:22] Zaphodian[?]: So R9 is a natural response

Move 14

[14:23] Zaphodian[?]: N14 looks a little lukewarm

Move 15

[14:23] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Maybe this is the best timing

[14:24] muhammad2forever[16k]: Intredasting

Move 16

[14:25] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: follow up, now a W move at A, may be redundant.

Move 19

[14:27] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Possible but risky for B

[14:28] Zaphodian[?]: I see no alternative for N15 at this point

[14:28] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Too good for B

Move 22

[14:31] Welvang[1p]: Oh

[14:31] Welvang[1p]: guess what

[14:31] Welvang[3d]: Review: ##605559

Move 23

[14:32] Zaphodian[?]: What again? Again a good commentary? But this time without Ali, I guess.

[14:32] Welvang[1p]: he won't have his word to say :)

Move 25

[14:34] Zaphodian[?]: But this time, he says it with action.

Move 27

[14:40] sassycat7[3d]: L17 is quite big

[14:41] Welvang[1p]: fast paced game

[14:41] Welvang[1p]: x)

Move 30

[14:45] Zaphodian[?]: after building his walls, I expected r11 to be at N9

[14:45] Zaphodian[?]: At least B has an easy answer now

[14:46] awaytoplay[5d]: time to look for a better answer then

Move 31

[14:49] Welvang[1p]: Live has started, i'll commentate this game in about 10 minutes since they play quite slow

[14:49] Welvang[1p]: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation

Move 32

[14:50] sassycat7[3d]: Hane now

Move 33

[14:52] dacat1[6d]: hane nowoki is a professional player who is infamous for his enfatuation with hanes

[14:52] dacat1[6d]: ok i'll leave now...

[14:52] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: bye =p

[14:53] Zaphodian[?]: another day, another troll :p

[14:53] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: the cut

Move 34

[14:54] dacat1[6d]: im expecting the jump

[14:54] Mkyle[2k]: Kyu level jokes

Move 35

[14:54] dacat1[6d]: Variation: i think I would have just gone here tbh

[14:54] sassycat7[3d]: M7 better than l7?

[14:55] dacat1[6d]: i had this joseki shape against Stanislaw and that was my choice at the time as well...

Move 36

[14:56] Welvang[1p]: Variation: 1

[14:56] dacat1[6d]: in that case I skipped p4 because I want to wedge at p3 later for more money

[14:56] awaytoplay[5d]: "i dont know what to do if he cuts me, so i cut first"

[14:56] Zaphodian[?]: Your cut is OK, my cut is OK.

[14:56] dacat1[6d]: this cut smells like an overplay

[14:56] kendfrey[13k]: cut yourself, wcgw

[14:57] Palko[2p]: Variation: First feeling

[14:57] Zaphodian[?]: Only 2 responses I can think of: J5 and K6

[14:58] dacat1[6d]: yes, we are human too @zaphodian

[14:58] sassycat7[3d]: Something like f4 is possible

[14:58] Zaphodian[?]: K6 is definitely the sharper move, but with Lukan you never know.

[14:58] dacat1[6d]: i like k6 here

[14:58] awaytoplay[5d]: i can think of many more responses, but they are most likely not good

Move 37

[14:59] dacat1[6d]: Variation: white finds it hard to handle the k5 group and h3 looks like a nice follow-up

Move 39

[14:59] Zaphodian[?]: Theoretically, I can think of 361-36= 325.

[14:59] Palko[2p]: Variation: what's the shape move for black now?

[14:59] Zaphodian[?]: I agree, dacat.

[15:00] Zaphodian[?]: No sharp follow-ups, I think

[15:00] awaytoplay[5d]: Variation: here?

[15:00] dacat1[6d]: i think black will find moves much more easily after k6 i think

[15:00] dacat1[6d]: @palko i don't see anything obvious

[15:00] Zaphodian[?]: K8 seems reasonable.

[15:00] dacat1[6d]: wait

[15:00] Zaphodian[?]: what for?

[15:01] Palko[2p]: Variation: I wonder what Ali is thinking :D

[15:01] dacat1[6d]: im expressing my surprise at j5

[15:01] dacat1[6d]: i guess j5 also favours black though

[15:01] Zaphodian[?]: J5 has a Lukanian feel to it.

[15:01] dacat1[6d]: lukanian

[15:01] dacat1[6d]: hah

[15:01] awaytoplay[5d]: lukewarmian?

Move 40

[15:02] dacat1[6d]: I use the term 'lukan button'

Move 42

[15:02] dacat1[6d]: you hit the lukan button to simplify and be slightly better

[15:02] Welvang[1p]: Variation: even here, no good shape to escape in the center

[15:02] Welvang[1p]: cut seems bad

[15:02] dacat1[6d]: useful tool, but overused occasionally by it's originator :D

[15:02] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, the cut looks like an overplay, but the alternative would be M7 or so

[15:03] Welvang[1p]: commentator gonna comment

[15:03] dacat1[6d]: i would play l7 and be happy

[15:03] dacat1[6d]: i don't evene see the problm

[15:03] dacat1[6d]: Variation: simple minds escape with their groups

[15:03] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: The consequences of being happy?

[15:04] dacat1[6d]: xD

[15:04] dacat1[6d]: isnt k8 more like the feeling

[15:04] Zaphodian[?]: Discliamer: I've got nothing against people who are happy.

[15:04] dacat1[6d]: cut either way black plays r7 and is ok

[15:04] dacat1[6d]: ***white plays r7

Move 43

[15:05] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, K8 was suggested earlier by a 5d.

[15:05] Welvang[1p]: Variation: i like this timing better

[15:05] Palko[2p]: k8 is good, but not satisfactory enough

[15:05] dacat1[6d]: k8 not being satisfactory enough isn't k8's fault

[15:05] dacat1[6d]: it's j5's fault

[15:05] crjfisher[3k]: l8 looks great

[15:05] Zaphodian[?]: Ah, yes, Welvang. I like that cap. I suggested it instead of R11.

[15:05] Palko[2p]: agreed

[15:05] Sandmann6d[9d]: B m7 instead maybe?

Move 47

[15:07] dacat1[6d]: m7 looks possible

[15:07] dacat1[6d]: w would hardly push through or anything

[15:07] Zaphodian[?]: Hmmm, white ran out of sente moves...

[15:07] dacat1[6d]: now he has to actually think of something

[15:07] dacat1[6d]: go is hard

[15:08] Shakes Fish At Sky[6k]: nah - easy game

[15:08] dacat1[6d]: if we follow his philosophy so far: 'when in doubt, cut', we can expect k6

[15:08] ronin3[2k]: i wonder if O6 lives?

[15:09] Palko[2p]: Variation: Some random sequence

[15:09] sassycat7[3d]: Something like r7

[15:09] Palko[2p]: I'd bet 10k EGF channel points he will not play k6

[15:10] dacat1[6d]: me too

[15:10] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: less random move

[15:10] FinrodFelagund[2d]: S6?

[15:10] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Make life somehow

[15:10] dacat1[6d]: but i would have bet 5k on that he wouldn't cut k4

[15:10] FinrodFelagund[2d]: R7 better

[15:10] Palko[2p]: I would bet all in he would cut k4, come on, he had to

[15:11] Shakes Fish At Sky[6k]: Q8 no good?

[15:11] dacat1[6d]: he had to?

[15:11] Zaphodian[?]: OK, but the real question is, how much are you gonna bet that he cuts at K6 next?

[15:11] dacat1[6d]: isn't this just an awkward fight for white

[15:11] dacat1[6d]: why would you do this to yourself

[15:11] Palko[2p]: I don't know. White made points on bottom and black territory shrinked significantly

[15:12] Palko[2p]: all white needs now is a good shape

[15:12] Whirly[2k]: I'm sorry didn't you see his last games with ilya?

[15:12] ronin3[2k]: maybe he's giving himself an handicap, like when you are fighting someone but you aren't getting mad enough, so you punch yourself in the face to release your full inner strength

[15:12] Zaphodian[?]: There are certain people who only feel happy in an uphill (= difficult) battle, like Palko (Am I wrong?)

Move 48

[15:13] ronin3[2k]: the winner is... Zaph! :-)

[15:13] dacat1[6d]: I see @ palko

[15:13] Zaphodian[?]: Well, I have little right to say anything because that seems to be my style too. (If I observe myself from a distance).

[15:14] dacat1[6d]: I'd really prioritize the group's safety/ability to run, also in order to keep n9 not-so-strong

[15:14] dacat1[6d]: a cash grab the likes of k4 seems uncalled for imo

[15:14] dacat1[6d]: but i guess it's fine if white just settles here

[15:14] Palko[2p]: I think most people like won fights more than difficult ones :)

[15:15] Zaphodian[?]: well, Tanguy is commenting now... https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation

[15:15] Zaphodian[?]: @Palko, the trick is to find an unfair fight.

Move 51

[15:17] nidza[?]: this is slow no?

[15:17] 2022[2k]: new update lit asf lmao im 2k now

[15:17] gojigs[2d]: i like black so far

[15:17] dlpigozzi[7k]: the one Palko won against Ilya was mental

[15:17] Zaphodian[?]: @nidza, slow=Lukanian

[15:18] SloMoFoGo[13k]: n11

[15:18] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Very thick

[15:18] SloMoFoGo[13k]: m7

[15:18] death_taxes[2k]: i would take b here every single time, but AI says w+2.something

[15:18] aesalon[3d]: seems pretty even

[15:18] Palko[2p]: Now w had a dilemma, O6 or not

[15:18] aesalon[3d]: easy to feel good about black because all of the game has been played on his side so far so he had the tempo

[15:18] SloMoFoGo[13k]: n7 over o6

Move 52

[15:19] aesalon[3d]: but white has done well

[15:19] SloMoFoGo[13k]: m16

[15:19] Palko[2p]: Black should play O6 without thinking now

[15:19] SloMoFoGo[13k]: bottom left for white is prom,ising

[15:19] mcpudding[9k]: yy

[15:19] LVL79[7k]: O11 for W is good or not?

[15:19] mcpudding[9k]: play o6

[15:20] SloMoFoGo[13k]: over[;ay?

[15:20] SloMoFoGo[13k]: play*

[15:20] Zaphodian[?]: I agree, no thinking

[15:21] LVL79[7k]: Pause???

[15:22] crjfisher[3k]: how long does the pause last?

[15:22] dlpigozzi[7k]: seems ali has no rush today

[15:22] mcpudding[9k]: until Lukan consulted Katago

[15:23] Zaphodian[?]: @Oscar, are you happy with your 7th place?

[15:23] dacat1[6d]: whaaaa

[15:23] dacat1[6d]: im 5th or 6th

[15:23] Zaphodian[?]: oops, wait

[15:24] dacat1[6d]: im pretty ok with it: I'm getting lots of practice games against professionals which is valuable for improvement

[15:24] Zaphodian[?]: Sorry, I misunderstood that.

[15:24] dacat1[6d]: if I can't quite get past them now I will if I keep getting to play them

[15:25] dacat1[6d]: so I'm just happy i got out of the group and had the chance to play artem twice and then andrii

[15:25] Zaphodian[?]: That's true.

[15:25] dacat1[6d]: so many practice games

[15:25] dacat1[6d]: i get to play these guys once in a blue moon

[15:25] Zaphodian[?]: yup.

[15:25] dacat1[6d]: and I'm doing ok, so that's nice

[15:25] dacat1[6d]: so yes, pretty good :)

[15:25] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, I think you got stronger.

[15:25] dacat1[6d]: thx :)

[15:25] Zaphodian[?]: I think yur reading has improved.

[15:26] dacat1[6d]: my reading?

[15:26] dacat1[6d]: huh

[15:26] JanGret[12k]: How did you Andrii game go?

[15:26] dacat1[6d]: i won, 1.5

[15:26] dacat1[6d]: they have the sgf on the website now

[15:26] dlpigozzi[7k]: I can not find your game with andri

[15:26] JanGret[12k]: Ah, very nice

[15:26] dlpigozzi[7k]: why is not in ogs?

[15:26] dacat1[6d]: because we accidentally played in privately

[15:27] dlpigozzi[7k]: ok

[15:27] dacat1[6d]: our bad :(

[15:27] dlpigozzi[7k]: sgf file makes the work

[15:27] dacat1[6d]: i missed the 'crowd'

[15:27] Zaphodian[?]: Yes. But that gives you more general overview of what's going on. (my opinion)

[15:27] JanGret[12k]: We speculated that Andrii had lost due to not showing up due to something happening in real life

[15:27] JanGret[12k]: Glad that it was just something like playing private

[15:27] death_taxes[2k]: as i said, becoming pro now might be a bit difficult, since it seems there is still a bit of a gap (to my untrained amateurish eyes), but in 2 years if you keep at it you will be one of the favourites

[15:27] ApolloGo[3k]: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[15:27] dacat1[6d]: thanks @death_taxes

[15:28] dacat1[6d]: unfortunately I'm not sure if there will be a tournament in 2023

[15:28] death_taxes[2k]: you also have the advantage of age

[15:28] dacat1[6d]: 2021 might be the last one for a while

[15:28] JanGret[12k]: I think it will strongly depend on if 20201 is a 2 pro or 1 pro year :)

[15:28] dacat1[6d]: so I better becoem the favourite this year ;)

[15:28] Zaphodian[?]: 2 years is too long. I already feel it is taking too long.

[15:28] dacat1[6d]: i actually like it takes a long time

[15:28] dacat1[6d]: not that many people are ready

[15:28] death_taxes[2k]: well, hopefully

[15:29] dacat1[6d]: I'd say at most two people in europe aren't pro, but should e

[15:29] dacat1[6d]: *be

[15:29] Zaphodian[?]: When I first met you 3 years ago, I had the feeling you could be pro level in 1-2 years.

[15:29] dacat1[6d]: and im not one of them :D

[15:29] death_taxes[2k]: you're my favourite twitch streamer

[15:29] dacat1[6d]: thx ^^ @death_taxes

Move 53

[15:29] Zaphodian[?]: You mean Lukan and Siasio, I guess

Move 55

[15:29] dacat1[6d]: @zaphodian you *severely* overestimated my level

[15:29] dacat1[6d]: but thx

[15:30] dacat1[6d]: yes, Lukan and Siasio

[15:30] aesalon[3d]: did stanislaw make pro?

[15:30] dlpigozzi[7k]: ali stopped the game to join th stream

[15:30] Zaphodian[?]: Maybe

[15:30] JanGret[12k]: Stanislaw = siasio

[15:30] aesalon[3d]: i thought it would be him and lukan

[15:30] aesalon[3d]: ah ok

[15:30] dacat1[6d]: I think they are very close to pro level... sometimes they perform better than the pros

[15:30] death_taxes[2k]: it would be cool to have a pro from a non-east eu country

[15:30] dacat1[6d]: Siasio often has more rating than some of the pros

[15:30] aesalon[3d]: yeah for sure i think they are egf pro level

[15:30] nidza[?]: like tangyu?

[15:30] dacat1[6d]: they definitely aren't bad candidates

[15:30] death_taxes[2k]: well, i guess slovakia can be considered mid

[15:30] Palko[2p]: France is a non-east country imo

[15:30] aesalon[3d]: heavy favorites if there would be 2 qualifiers now

[15:31] Zaphodian[?]: yes, but that volatility is not good for a pro.

[15:31] death_taxes[2k]: i keep forgetting Tang...

[15:31] dacat1[6d]: Siasio is a bit... inconsistent yes

[15:31] JanGret[12k]: The thing about being pro: You have to deliver, when it counts

[15:32] Zaphodian[?]: You always have to deliver, whether it counts or not. But when you are pro and have that level, you can do that.

[15:32] The Treeman[4k]: Oscar, are you the best go play of all th time?

[15:32] Coreon[1d]: also it would be nice to have younger pros. In Asia the pros usually peak between their mid and late twens so becoming a pro with 25 or later means that you're not developing significantly anymore...

Move 58

[15:33] The Treeman[4k]: Yea. but thing is different last century

Move 59

[15:33] Zaphodian[?]: @Treeman, Oscar will soon announce that on his Twitch channel.

[15:33] The Treeman[4k]: those japanese masters

[15:33] dlpigozzi[7k]: if u can play good, he can play better

[15:33] FinrodFelagund[2d]: How do you choose between K16 and L16 after K17?

[15:33] Zaphodian[?]: I can't believe B M17 and K17

[15:34] death_taxes[2k]: why would w push at N17?

[15:34] death_taxes[2k]: what is he gaining?

[15:34] Palko[2p]: Black likes 2nd line points it seems

[15:34] The Treeman[4k]: who is leading?

[15:34] Palko[2p]: How did you call it, Lukanian?

[15:34] Zaphodian[?]: They are the most certains points, usually.

Move 60

[15:35] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, I called it Lukanian

[15:35] death_taxes[2k]: w+3.5 Treeman

[15:35] FinrodFelagund[2d]: I guess black is trying to avoid white sealing off the top side

[15:35] JanGret[12k]: I honestly think we need to grow the go community a bit, before we can really have a 16 year old pro...

Move 61

[15:35] Zaphodian[?]: Our 16-year old pro may have been born already.

[15:36] The Treeman[4k]: I think it is a very close game

[15:36] paintcan[3d]: every computer is now potentially a pro player

[15:36] gochesser_001[3k]: They are both Pro-player?

Move 62

[15:36] paintcan[3d]: the level of play should increase easily in the near future

[15:36] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: random hasami

Move 63

[15:36] death_taxes[2k]: time advantage like in all the previous games much more important than a couple of points imho

Move 64

[15:37] Zaphodian[?]: White is 2p and Black is a top Euro-amateur

[15:37] gochesser_001[3k]: Thanks

[15:38] The Treeman[4k]: Variation: Black easy connect?

[15:38] Zaphodian[?]: I think for most people B16 is difficult to find. However, the top is worth relatively little because B has a strong position at K17

[15:38] death_taxes[2k]: more precisely, b is 2658 and w is 2722

[15:39] aesalon[3d]: b16 is good. for some reason eu pros get into positions to play it a lot lol

[15:39] The Treeman[4k]: Is there some ways to invade bot left corner?

Move 66

[15:40] Zaphodian[?]: B15 looks very slow

[15:40] CheGuapara[13k]: is anyone streaming with this game right now?

[15:40] aesalon[3d]: some ways to invade but nothing that lives unconditionally

[15:40] gochesser_001[3k]: Variation: 6

[15:40] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Some aji there but pretty secure as corners go imo Treeman

[15:40] aesalon[3d]: ways to get forcing moves after invading

[15:41] dacat1[6d]: e17 is somewhat honte

[15:41] dacat1[6d]: the question is, is it more honte than it is slow?

[15:41] dacat1[6d]: I'd be tempted to tenuki...

[15:41] Zaphodian[?]: @Che yes, streaming at https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation

Move 68

[15:43] Zaphodian[?]: D11 is the normal move, I guess.

Move 69

[15:43] dacat1[6d]: d11 looks fine

[15:43] A Pimp Named Snapback[21k]: Nice

[15:43] CheGuapara[13k]: thanks zapho

[15:43] gochesser_001[3k]: d11 move same as mine move

Move 70

[15:43] dacat1[6d]: that's the most effort we ever put into *complimenting* a move

Move 71

[15:44] dacat1[6d]: usually we are all about the complaining :D

Move 72

[15:44] The Treeman[4k]: B has a lot center potential right?

[15:44] dacat1[6d]: 'a lot' is a bit optimistic..

[15:44] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Yeah, but two doors open

[15:45] aesalon[3d]: not enough

[15:45] death_taxes[2k]: yeah

[15:45] dacat1[6d]: there will be like 3 invisible points for black in the center or something :D

[15:45] au-delà[4d]: w take point and b only open potential look good for w

[15:45] FinrodFelagund[2d]: only 3?

[15:45] FinrodFelagund[2d]: I would have guessed at least 6

[15:45] aesalon[3d]: the top was just so slow for black

[15:45] dacat1[6d]: yeah, e11 and e13 cuts are a problem

[15:45] nidza[?]: time for b to use this walls . invade lower side somehow

[15:45] dacat1[6d]: and white's l16 strength makes it hard to build

[15:46] aesalon[3d]: black could make more than 3 if he worked for it

Move 73

[15:46] dacat1[6d]: if black does nothing and just lets the center sit as passive income

[15:46] dacat1[6d]: it will be almost nothing

[15:46] dacat1[6d]: ok now it will be more

Move 74

[15:46] aesalon[3d]: probably it is worth 10-14 poitns

[15:46] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: lukas building influence is funny to watch

[15:46] death_taxes[2k]: w will get more on left than b in middle

[15:46] dacat1[6d]: lukan actually likes influence, so long as he uses it tobuild points

[15:47] dacat1[6d]: build points, not war

[15:47] aesalon[3d]: yeah white will get too much if black just accepts it

[15:47] dacat1[6d]: or something

[15:47] dacat1[6d]: he affectionately calls potential his 'central stations'

[15:47] Sandmann6d[9d]: Cold war

[15:48] dacat1[6d]: Variation: (small) central station

[15:48] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Some attachment to G3 next?

[15:48] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Don't know what else to do

Move 75

[15:48] Sandmann6d[9d]: Variation: Corner aji

[15:48] FinrodFelagund[2d]: ah

[15:49] FinrodFelagund[2d]: I am finally right about something

Move 76

[15:49] dacat1[6d]: or maybe you are both wrong

[15:49] au-delà[4d]: ^^

[15:49] dacat1[6d]: (i think g4 is fine)

[15:49] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Heh

[15:50] dacat1[6d]: if I were black I would be considering trying to make life in the corner though

Move 78

[15:50] dacat1[6d]: Variation: annoying?

Move 79

[15:50] death_taxes[2k]: seems like b is trying to make points in the center?

[15:51] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Sometimes you can close one door by forcing your opponent to keep their territory along the sides

[15:51] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Seems hard here though

[15:51] au-delà[4d]: making point without attacking is not good

[15:52] kendfrey[13k]: white's corner is too big

Move 80

[15:52] death_taxes[2k]: b lost 2-3 points last couple of moves

[15:52] TeleGo[?]: black might be trying to excuse himself that he's gaining strength to do stuff in the upper left? seems bad tho

Move 82

[15:54] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: who is better at yose between lukas and ali ?

Move 83

[15:55] Zaphodian[?]: Ali

[15:55] The Treeman[4k]: I think white might lead now

Move 85

[15:55] denisweber90[2k]: Is there any part of the game lukan is known to be particular strong at?

[15:55] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: looks ok for W

[15:56] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: i have big respect for people who are good at this mysterious athing called Yose

Move 87

[15:56] Ashi1989[?]: Review: ##605592

[15:56] Zaphodian[?]: Lukan has this soft power

[15:56] climu[1k]: K12?

[15:56] nidza[?]: g4 looks too soft

[15:56] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: lukan has solid style

[15:56] aesalon[3d]: endgame is probably one of his strengths. just ali is quite a bit better

[15:57] Zaphodian[?]: Endgame is not so difficult. But you have to study it a little.

[15:57] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: even if i study, i have really troubles to calculate and count endgame durint a real game x)

[15:57] The Treeman[4k]: but why Li chonghao is soo good at end game?

Move 88

[15:58] climu[1k]: $*!%

[15:59] LVL79[7k]: Wow

[15:59] aesalon[3d]: yeah this feels right. is there actually something nefarious in UL? i didnt get G17 variation

[15:59] Zaphodian[?]: It's a matter of practice. After a while you start 'knowing' the value of most basic endgame shapes.

[16:00] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: yeah

[16:00] Zaphodian[?]: B has to attack

[16:00] The Treeman[4k]: they are about to start an air fight

[16:00] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Attack!

[16:00] climu[1k]: lol. I think pro easily get around 30 points in endgame against amateurs

[16:00] Saddharmapundarika[13k]: n12?

[16:00] Zaphodian[?]: Yes, but not against top amateurs.

Move 89

[16:01] mikach27[3d]: L12

[16:01] liquid[4d]: against 1kyus, yea

Move 90

[16:01] climu[1k]: I meant against dans

[16:01] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: except shin jin seo, he get 10 points againt almost all pros

Move 91

[16:01] crjfisher[3k]: finally some fighting

[16:01] FinrodFelagund[2d]: No other choice for black

[16:02] Zaphodian[?]: But Lukan only picks a fight when the conditions are very good for a fight or when the prospects are very bad

Move 92

[16:02] The Treeman[4k]: Variation: WORTH?

Move 93

[16:03] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: maybe it's his weakness ?

[16:03] FinrodFelagund[2d]: 4 is not right in that variation Treeman

[16:03] Zaphodian[?]: @treeman, why play 1?

[16:03] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Neither is 1

[16:03] The Treeman[4k]: I called that a 5k move haha

[16:03] Zaphodian[?]: neither is 3

[16:04] Zaphodian[?]: 3 moves wrong out of 5

Move 95

[16:04] dacat1[6d]: including a forced atari

[16:04] The Treeman[4k]: okay : (

[16:04] dacat1[6d]: i mean the moves aren't bad

[16:04] dacat1[6d]: just not optimal I'd say

[16:05] dacat1[6d]: m11 looks fine actually, I'd just skip l14 atari

[16:05] Zaphodian[?]: The world is a cold and unfriendly place...

Move 96

[16:06] The Treeman[4k]: Is the four white stones dangerous?

[16:07] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: exchange

[16:07] liquid[4d]: they are in danger

[16:07] liquid[4d]: but not dangerous

[16:07] Zaphodian[?]: I think K11 was an overplay

[16:07] liquid[4d]: agree

[16:07] Zaphodian[?]: K12 would have been fine

[16:07] Saddharmapundarika[13k]: g13?

Move 97

[16:09] climu[1k]: I said K12! I wish he d have listen

[16:09] filip.diloom[1k]: F13 would be better than g13 in that case

[16:09] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: Variation: like this ?

[16:09] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: attack and counterattack

Move 98

[16:11] The Treeman[4k]: Can W live inside?

[16:11] Saddharmapundarika[13k]: now white gains thickness though

Move 99

[16:12] filip.diloom[1k]: w can't accept ko right he has a week group

[16:12] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: some tips to be 6dan guys ?

[16:13] Zaphodian[?]: W cannot live, he has to connect somehow

[16:13] filip.diloom[1k]: a weak group*

[16:13] Free Tibet[3k]: Become 5d first

Move 101

[16:13] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: $*!%, I didn' though about this step...

[16:14] Free Tibet[3k]: Yeah, but then it's straightforward

[16:14] aesalon[3d]: white actually couldnt connect and live?

[16:14] aesalon[3d]: maybe would cause trouble with n15 group

[16:14] Zaphodian[?]: No, too dangerous

[16:14] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: shape

[16:14] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: small center for bigger side

[16:15] The Treeman[4k]: B have won center fight so far?

Move 102

[16:15] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: B collapses

[16:16] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: Variation: ?

[16:16] death_taxes[2k]: in the last 10-15 moves w has continuously losing ground and now the game is even

[16:17] filip.diloom[1k]: why not just H15

[16:17] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: complicated

[16:18] CarloTibaldi[2k]: Why not 3 at F14?

Move 104

[16:18] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Problem

[16:18] Dima 2013[14k]: Review: ##605609

Move 105

[16:19] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: F14 at G15 is better but bad anyway

Move 106

[16:20] CarloTibaldi[2k]: Variation: White has problems

[16:21] Zaphodian[?]: No, W will just play J15

[16:21] aesalon[3d]: black is dead there

[16:21] Zaphodian[?]: L14 is even better

[16:21] CarloTibaldi[2k]: W M15

Move 108

[16:22] CarloTibaldi[2k]: sorry, WM14

[16:22] kendfrey[13k]: katago estimates B to be ahead for the first time

[16:23] filip.diloom[1k]: so f16 was a good move?

[16:23] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Black dies

[16:23] filip.diloom[1k]: well now it looks really good

[16:24] The Treeman[4k]: Can OGS stream some pro games outside EU in the future?

[16:25] The Treeman[4k]: like some word series

Move 109

[16:25] aesalon[3d]: f15 now?

[16:25] aesalon[3d]: ah

[16:26] CarloTibaldi[2k]: Thanks Zaphodian :-)

Move 110

[16:26] filip.diloom[1k]: it's as if white said let me make f16 usefull for you... But maybe there was nmothing else

Move 111

[16:27] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: lukas for pro

[16:27] bigwizard[11k]: They are actually playing on OGS correct? this is not just a relay

Move 112

[16:27] aesalon[3d]: huh this seems very out of the picture

[16:27] aesalon[3d]: no way e8 worth it

[16:27] Zaphodian[?]: worth what?

[16:27] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: timesuji

[16:28] aesalon[3d]: saving

Move 114

[16:28] filip.diloom[1k]: yes, basicly all european pro games have been played on OGS recently

[16:29] filip.diloom[1k]: or all offical EGF games might be more corrent to say

[16:29] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: tenuki abd play f17

Move 115

[16:29] elsky[2d]: w dying?

Move 116

[16:29] Free Tibet[3k]: Just sleeping

Move 117

[16:30] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: huge capturing race

[16:30] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: semeai here we go

Move 118

[16:30] death_taxes[2k]: how the tables have turned, B+14 here

[16:30] aesalon[3d]: yeah this is why i thought at least dont save e8

Move 119

[16:30] aesalon[3d]: surely black could play a different move than f8 that helps take liberties faster

Move 120

[16:31] aesalon[3d]: if not just ignore but maybe i misread tenuki

[16:31] The Treeman[4k]: invade corner?

[16:31] natec89[3d]: I think w g9 was a problem if b didn't respond locally

[16:31] mikach27[3d]: G18 first I guess

[16:31] climu[1k]: C17 is strong right?

Move 121

[16:31] sassycat7[3d]: F8 was only move

Move 122

[16:31] FinrodFelagund[2d]: Variation: does white win this race?

[16:32] natec89[3d]: Maybe b could have responded with h9, but it feels like an unnecessary local loss

[16:32] death_taxes[2k]: hm

[16:32] death_taxes[2k]: B+52...

[16:32] Free Tibet[3k]: What a game

[16:32] aesalon[3d]: feels like local loss doesnt matter if it even means 1 liberty in captuing race

[16:32] aesalon[3d]: but yeah maybe black wins even with f8

[16:32] dacat1[6d]: what capturing race

[16:33] Free Tibet[3k]: lol

[16:33] aesalon[3d]: e15 vs f13 groups

Move 123

[16:33] dacat1[6d]: e17 may have been slow, but at least it's doing a great job of making the corner look solid

[16:33] dacat1[6d]: i think e15 is killing the corner

[16:33] dacat1[6d]: that's why its not a race...

Move 124

[16:33] Zaphodian[?]: Not even a rat race?

[16:33] dacat1[6d]: maaayyybe a rat race

[16:34] death_taxes[2k]: what's a rat race?

[16:34] Zaphodian[?]: or a turtle and hare race

[16:34] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: the turtle cheated

[16:34] Free Tibet[3k]: That's when you pay taxes until death

Move 125

[16:34] The Treeman[4k]: b live

Move 128

[16:35] Free Tibet[3k]: Ko

[16:35] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: nop

[16:36] natec89[3d]: Huh, I wonder why b paused

[16:36] Free Tibet[3k]: Ko in like 30 moves

[16:36] death_taxes[2k]: wow, that's a terrible spot for a pause

[16:36] Zaphodian[?]: It's good for Ali

[16:36] death_taxes[2k]: it's good for b to read out the kill

[16:36] dlpigozzi[7k]: very good indeed

[16:36] Zaphodian[?]: unless, ofc., it's not.

[16:37] dacat1[6d]: its good for w to read out life

[16:37] natec89[3d]: Does the tournament allow pauses?

[16:37] Zaphodian[?]: 'cause reads way faster

[16:37] Zaphodian[?]: oops, Ali reads much faster, I think.

Move 129

[16:38] Free Tibet[3k]: I think there should be the judge who might take a pause

Move 130

[16:38] Zaphodian[?]: There is only no rest for the wicked.

Move 131

[16:38] Free Tibet[3k]: Lol

[16:38] filip.diloom[1k]: aslong as the rules are clear and they follow it it should be ok

[16:38] aesalon[3d]: there nothing in upper left? d15/c18?

Move 133

[16:39] au-delà[4d]: w might be dead?

[16:39] _redshanks[24k]: Think Lukan got upper left

[16:39] Free Tibet[3k]: I don't mind the pause. They're playing on OGS

Move 135

[16:39] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: the end of the line

[16:40] The Treeman[4k]: w resign soon?

Move 136

[16:40] _redshanks[24k]: w still got bottom right no?

[16:40] _redshanks[24k]: pretty solid position

Move 137

[16:40] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Just another mindless variation

[16:40] filip.diloom[1k]: not nearly enough if he dies in the middle

Move 138

[16:41] filip.diloom[1k]: or top

[16:41] DioBrandof923b297a6cf40dc[1k]: l10

Move 139

[16:41] _redshanks[24k]: Think B also got a chance to take top right

[16:41] Zaphodian[?]: This should finish off W

[16:41] dacat1[6d]: gg

[16:41] Lukan[?]: thanks

[16:41] _redshanks[24k]: gg

[16:41] FinrodFelagund[2d]: gg

[16:41] dacat1[6d]: see you on saturday, Lukan ;)

[16:42] Zaphodian[?]: Wow, unexpected fight

[16:42] au-delà[4d]: k11 too deep

[16:42] ManyBears[?]: gg

[16:43] dacat1[6d]: stanislaw frejlak vs. Artem Kachanovskyi in the semifinals starts in 20 minutes I think

[16:45] filip.diloom[1k]: K11 might at least have been to deep when he had no time on the clock