Game Finished

[17:39] learn2go[3k]: so thats how dreams of amature player meet brutal reality.... one win against Artem was a great achivment for this young player anyway!

[17:40] Kamakiri[3k]: I think that's unnecessarily harsh @learn2go

[17:40] Kamakiri[3k]: He is definitely deserving to become a pro

[17:40] mcpudding[9k]: +1

[17:41] filip.diloom[1k]: H2 in sete and strike at corner is all I can find here

[17:41] dlpigozzi[7k]: tenuki my friend, there is a big board

[17:41] Trevoke[9k]: The level difference between very strong amateurs and pros is fairly small nowadays

[17:41] dlpigozzi[7k]: h4 sente

[17:41] Martin_L[?]: J3

[17:41] Martin_L[?]: ?

[17:41] mcpudding[9k]: it is just 6 stones

[17:41] learn2go[3k]: is h6 a probem too?

[17:41] shin0e[3d]: learn2go don't underestimate Siasio ;) And to get here he also had to win with Kravets, so it's not like it was his first win against a pro :)

[17:41] Zaphodian[?]: This is huge

[17:42] Anthe[7k]: nix tenuki

[17:42] Anthe[7k]: j3!

[17:43] The Treeman[4k]: Zaphodian

Move 57

[17:43] The Treeman[4k]: do you use fox?

[17:43] learn2go[3k]: @shin0e, i dont uderestimete him or anything, rather oposite - apreciating great performence!

Move 59

[17:44] dlpigozzi[7k]: Variation: j3 does nothing

[17:44] The Treeman[4k]: Variation: double live

[17:45] Anthe[7k]: ai plays a ko after j3 k3 h2

[17:45] Anthe[7k]: and it doesn not nth.

Move 63

[17:47] Whirly[2k]: d3 seems soft

Move 64

[17:47] AndéolEvain[1d]: What would you play instead? 3-3 ?

[17:47] Rocco[1k]: Black died?

[17:47] piusbut[?]: Review: ##605665

[17:48] AndéolEvain[1d]: yes, black is dead on the bottom side

[17:48] Whirly[2k]: 3-3 would be better

[17:48] BDmytro[?]: Variation: ko threat generator for future

Move 65

[17:48] Rocco[1k]: What's AI's take on the games status?

Move 67

[17:49] kendfrey[13k]: dead even

Move 69

[17:51] A Pimp Named Snapback[22k]: Nice

Move 70

[17:51] AndéolEvain[1d]: Black still jsut dead. By double-ko if necessary.

[17:51] AndéolEvain[1d]: Or am I missing something?

Move 72

[17:51] shin0e[3d]: Double ko is much better than just dead :D

[17:52] shin0e[3d]: double ko means unlimited ko threats :D

[17:52] AndéolEvain[1d]: Ho, right.

[17:52] Trevoke[9k]: Wow.. This will either be a very short game or a very long game. Heavy ko for being so early in the game, not many threats.

[17:53] filip.diloom[1k]: hane here is to much right?

[17:53] AndéolEvain[1d]: Variation: showing the double-ko

Move 74

[17:54] Trevoke[9k]: True. Maybe B just wants to play the one ko threat

[17:54] BDmytro[?]: black doubled his time for byo-yomi with double-ko

Move 76

[17:56] Trevoke[9k]: Can B annul the game by playing J1? Will that make it a triple ko? Oh ... No, because B still just dead

[17:56] Whirly[2k]: well pros are only those who won a specific qualification tournament

[17:56] Whirly[2k]: oh I answered something way back

[17:56] WaterDancer[3d]: it is W who doesn't need to find ko threats unless I am mistaken, so playing it out will mean than B consumes all his ko threats

Move 79

[17:58] AndéolEvain[1d]: Black is the dead one, so they have nothing to lose here. Hence, black is the one having unlimited ko threats here.

[17:58] jan.komin[15k]: wow 2 p what is p

[17:58] AndéolEvain[1d]: p for "pro"

[17:58] Trevoke[9k]: 2 dan professional

[17:59] jan.komin[15k]: ok thx

[17:59] WaterDancer[3d]: I disagree, B will have to find real ko threats while W only has to play the other ko

[17:59] cerebeal[8k]: does it go 7d then 1p-xp?

[17:59] jan.komin[15k]: :D

[17:59] craaaft[4k]: if Siasio wins the finale they should give him a pro title ^^

[18:00] Trevoke[9k]: it kinda goes 7d, 7d, 7d, get qualification, get 1p

[18:00] jan.komin[15k]: really craaft?

[18:00] torbg[3k]: :D

Move 80

[18:00] Daiki0[9k]: Now starting ko by H4 looks necesaary

[18:00] jan.komin[15k]: they are really strong

[18:00] craaaft[4k]: well I guess defeating so many pros

[18:00] jan.komin[15k]: ok

[18:00] mikach27[3d]: there no ko

[18:01] AndéolEvain[1d]: Variation: Move 1, 5, 9 are ko threats

Move 81

[18:01] WaterDancer[3d]: then...

[18:01] AndéolEvain[1d]: I keep thinking black is the one having unlimited ko threats here

Move 82

[18:01] mikach27[3d]: H4 -> w capture M1 -> if b capture L1 -> W capture H3

Move 84

[18:01] WaterDancer[3d]: B expands any ko threats, white only plays the other ko

[18:01] WaterDancer[3d]: W has unlimited supply of threats

[18:01] jan.komin[15k]: but artem92 is tronger

[18:01] WaterDancer[3d]: J3 and M1

[18:01] WaterDancer[3d]: H3 and M1

[18:02] AndéolEvain[1d]: White plays the other ko, which is a the way white answers black's forcing moves

Move 85

[18:02] stianv[1d]: @waterdancer, I'd argue H4 is a ko threat for black..

[18:02] WaterDancer[3d]: agreed

[18:02] umut1496[17k]: guys I wonder when can I become 10 kyu with playing 1-2 hours a day im 17 kyu now

[18:02] mcpudding[9k]: i guess they will leave the position for quite some moves, there are bigger fish at the moment

[18:03] tonybe[8k]: 10kyu very much

[18:03] 2022[3k]: depends

[18:03] Ruro[11k]: i was 15 k

[18:03] umut1496[17k]: average time ?

[18:03] tonybe[8k]: IMHO, if you want to rise from 17k to 10k, you want to play stronger players, and then REVIEW your games

Move 86

[18:03] Lucirex1[4k]: just enjoy the game

[18:03] tonybe[8k]: correct mistakes and learn better habits constantly

[18:03] Ruro[11k]: yesterday

[18:04] umut1496[17k]: ok thx u all

[18:04] Ruro[11k]: recorrection of ranks

Move 87

[18:04] Levvo[3d]: :O

Move 88

[18:04] Levvo[3d]: Interesting game this!

[18:04] WaterDancer[3d]: @Andéol., I see now that you mean there are ko threats for B, but for another potential ko, not this one - this is where I misunderstood ;)

Move 89

[18:05] shin0e[3d]: J4 was quite suprising for me, I always took Artem for a quite peaceful player ;)

[18:05] Ruro[11k]: Was my level 10 or 11 really

Move 90

[18:05] Levvo[3d]: It makes sense though. ^^

[18:06] Ruro[11k]: i have not won many against ranked 11 or higher

[18:06] AndéolEvain[1d]: Right. So now I see what you meant too :D

[18:06] Levvo[3d]: Do I remember correctly if Artem lost to Siasio recently?

[18:06] dreamtiger[15k]: it's 1:1

[18:06] shin0e[3d]: He did, it is 1-1 :)

[18:06] Saddharmapundarika[13k]: p8?

[18:06] shin0e[3d]: so now it's a deciding match in the tournament

[18:06] Trevoke[9k]: I think Artem is a very solid player, which also means a balance of offense and defense. I think he has my favorite style out of all the European pros I've seen.

[18:06] Levvo[3d]: Nice

[18:07] AndéolEvain[1d]: Intuitively, p8 looks ugly to me (walking into a peep). But my intuition doesn't mean much.

Move 91

[18:08] Trevoke[9k]: ladder breaker, heh

[18:08] tonybe[8k]: double approach - dis gon b gud

[18:08] shin0e[3d]: f16 <3 makes sense

Move 92

[18:09] ofer.zivony[?]: I think Artem knows he has the stronger tactical edge and he wants to use it to take control of the game

Move 93

[18:09] ofer.zivony[?]: That's basically how he won the previous game

Move 95

[18:09] Panunezc[3k]: if black p8 white can connect with N8 .. and white would have a wall facing the black wall .. it seems that it is not good for black that

Move 96

[18:10] filip.diloom[1k]: but w is out almost everywhere, so where will B make points?

[18:10] tonybe[8k]: Interesting to see how the double-approach joseki is different because the 2nd approach stone wasn't a knight's move...

[18:11] AndéolEvain[1d]: It's also about black having more stones on the left. C15 would be unusual (but possible) on an isolated corner.

Move 98

[18:11] filip.diloom[1k]: lots of strength but nothing to attack and building the top will be hard

[18:12] filip.diloom[1k]: or am I counting w to much ahead

[18:12] Levvo[3d]: Anyone counted?

Move 99

[18:12] tonybe[8k]: someone must have Katago open right now....

[18:12] dlpigozzi[7k]: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation

Move 101

[18:12] mojaveb[?]: Helooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[18:12] dlpigozzi[7k]: tanguy and ali commenting

Move 102

[18:13] aesalon[3d]: too hard to count, white is far ahead in territory but black can make something in center

[18:13] aesalon[3d]: / right

Move 105

[18:14] Levvo[3d]: Yea white is ahead quite a bit in territory

[18:14] aesalon[3d]: black needs 20 points from attack

Move 107

[18:15] Panunezc[3k]: w r9?

[18:15] Levvo[3d]: Thats to make it an even game. Yea

Move 108

[18:16] tonybe[8k]: White seems to have 2 weak groups on the lower right now

[18:16] 2022[3k]: so white needs h3 then

[18:16] aesalon[3d]: probably black gets less than 15 from attack so seems comfy for white

Move 110

[18:17] Levvo[3d]: Yea I like white here.

Move 111

[18:18] Panunezc[3k]: W M11?

Move 113

[18:19] alte_hippe[5k]: white is white cause white is white

[18:19] bartosz[?]: W + 3-4 here

[18:20] charmed_meson[12k]: M10 feels like mistake? gives black sente to attack his stick and gain profit in the center?

[18:20] charmed_meson[12k]: but I am ddk what do i know xD

Move 114

[18:20] aesalon[3d]: i have the same first impression

[18:20] aesalon[3d]: but probably not too bad (if at all)

Move 117

[18:22] charmed_meson[12k]: white extend instead of immediately fight (like L12), to remove aji first?

Move 124

[18:25] The Treeman[4k]: W is winning

[18:25] The Treeman[4k]: Variation: W is winning

[18:25] cerebeal[8k]: if those two fully connect is it all over for black?

[18:26] aesalon[3d]: no it is close

[18:26] alte_hippe[5k]: Variation: 4

Move 125

[18:26] Trevoke[9k]: Cut at E13 might hurt though

[18:26] aesalon[3d]: black gained more than i expected from attack

Move 126

[18:27] tesushi[2k]: The top is hard to count.

[18:27] The Treeman[4k]: W absolutely is leading

[18:29] Tarqeq[3k]: that dead bottom sucks

[18:30] tesushi[2k]: Not by that much. I think black needs to get about 15 points out of the top center moyo to be even.

[18:30] aesalon[3d]: yeah, looked like he got that

[18:30] aesalon[3d]: not sure where h12 leads though

Move 130

[18:31] tryk8[?]: B can make an infinite number of ko threats there

Move 131

[18:31] aesalon[3d]: Variation: allow the hane at f12?

[18:32] tesushi[2k]: I was thinking the same thing, but I'm worried about M13.

Move 132

[18:33] aesalon[3d]: yeah i thought white could probe that cut earlier

Move 134

[18:33] gojigs[2d]: Review: ##605687

[18:34] aesalon[3d]: this doesnt feel like enough for black. he gets close to the 20 he needed but white will get more around ~ m18 and f18

[18:35] tekken8[1k]: resign now?

[18:35] tekken8[1k]: maybe not

[18:35] tesushi[2k]: To me it seems too close to call.

[18:35] tryk8[?]: does not look good for b

[18:35] aesalon[3d]: too close but everything seems settled so it will be tough to comeback

[18:35] aesalon[3d]: esp vs artem

[18:37] tesushi[2k]: True, black is on the defensive, and the only big reduction black has left is in the bottom left.

Move 135

[18:38] aesalon[3d]: egf pros just counted and they seem to think it is close ot resign

Move 136

[18:38] charmed_meson[12k]: capturign at J14 instead of blocking white at e.g. N18 will cost black the game

Move 139

[18:39] charmed_meson[12k]: now black must be extremely greedy to keep enough points to win

[18:39] aesalon[3d]: j14 was surprising for sure

[18:39] mirreke[6k]: But around r11 is still big

Move 142

[18:40] Levvo[3d]: White is not giving this one up. XD

[18:40] OndraKruml[?]: so final will be el classico again

Move 149

[18:43] 2022[3k]: anyone know why no one has played h4 yet

Move 150

[18:43] aesalon[3d]: black is dead in double ko

[18:43] 2022[3k]: whats double ko

[18:44] aesalon[3d]: Variation: double ko

[18:44] tesushi[2k]: If black wins the H3 ko, white captures the M1 ko.

[18:44] 2022[3k]: ahhh i didnt see that

[18:44] 2022[3k]: ohhh

[18:44] kendfrey[13k]: AI still wants to play h4

[18:44] kendfrey[13k]: not clear why to me

[18:44] tekken8[1k]: double kos are useful

[18:44] 2022[3k]: how do u know what the AI wants

[18:44] aesalon[3d]: desktop ai get confused

[18:44] 2022[3k]: where do i check

[18:44] aesalon[3d]: with kos at low playouts

[18:45] kendfrey[13k]: I'm just running lizzie

[18:45] 2022[3k]: oh

[18:45] CarloTibaldi[2k]: wjho is ahead for lizzie?

[18:45] kendfrey[13k]: W+11.5

[18:45] kendfrey[13k]: (katago)

[18:45] CarloTibaldi[2k]: thank you :-)

[18:46] nidza[?]: what if L18 at m18?

[18:46] 2022[3k]: white is def more than 11.5 ahead

[18:46] aesalon[3d]: nah

[18:46] aesalon[3d]: it was super close before j14

[18:46] aesalon[3d]: imo

[18:46] 2022[3k]: nothing much changed with that tho

[18:47] 2022[3k]: black has little territory there

[18:47] kendfrey[13k]: AI also think j14 was a big mistake

[18:47] charmed_meson[12k]: it allowed white to come inside black's moyo

[18:47] 2022[3k]: oh u meant that

[18:47] 2022[3k]: do u think black made a mistake on the top?

[18:47] tonybe[8k]: What would have been a good move for Black instead at Move 132? N18 or something to seal off the moyo?

[18:48] tesushi[2k]: If J14 was unnecessary to keep black's shape from crumbling, then it lost a lot.

[18:48] aesalon[3d]: i turned on twitch when i saw them counting. they think black missed m18 instead of l18

[18:48] tekken8[1k]: Variation: m18 instead of l18

[18:49] aesalon[3d]: so that + j14 makes sense to be 12 points

[18:49] mirreke[6k]: Black j18 kills the white invasion?

[18:49] aesalon[3d]: not much more

[18:49] tryk8[?]: no

Move 155

[18:49] tryk8[?]: w can connect under

Move 158

[18:49] aesalon[3d]: Variation: the fight on top

Move 159

[18:49] aesalon[3d]: oh yeah push first

Move 160

[18:50] mirreke[6k]: Ah yes

[18:51] tekken8[1k]: Variation: maybe this

Move 162

[18:51] tekken8[1k]: i guess b wont g15

Move 170

[18:53] aesalon[3d]: wonder what move on the right is correct

[18:53] zhenghenan[1k]: White winner

[18:53] A Pimp Named Snapback[21k]: Can white even come back from this?

Move 172

[18:54] kendfrey[13k]: white is winning

[18:55] A Pimp Named Snapback[21k]: Wot

[18:55] Devin Fraze[2k]: love your name

[18:55] Devin Fraze[2k]: but also, not certain white is winning.

[18:55] A Pimp Named Snapback[21k]: Thanks!

[18:55] tekken8[1k]: ogs score estimator is the best

[18:55] aesalon[3d]: white is definitely winning and by more than i thought (apparently)

[18:56] aesalon[3d]: it is like w+12 someone said

[18:56] tonybe[8k]: OGS score estimator doesn't realize black is dead on the bottom

[18:56] Devin Fraze[2k]: Ahh, gotcha, yeah, that is huge

[18:56] Devin Fraze[2k]: Sorry, I was lazy and just joined, lol

Move 173

[18:56] chmeee[1k]: OGS score estimator is the worst about the wonderful OGS, I like the estimator of sabaki much more

Move 174

[18:57] kendfrey[13k]: it's such a meme

[18:57] Pumpkinseed[?]: Hi

[18:57] Devin Fraze[2k]: eh, I mean, if score estimator was too good that could be a problem too. But I suppose folks could turn off estimator and analysis if that mattered to them

Move 175

[18:57] tonybe[8k]: It's a known weakness for lots of AI - many bots on OGS get this wrong all the time

Move 178

[18:58] kendfrey[13k]: tbh I use score estimator a lot to count for me, very lazy

Move 180

[18:59] aesalon[3d]: better to not count at all at least on OGS

[18:59] Ashi1989[?]: t2 for ko?

[18:59] tryk8[?]: b can t2

[18:59] Ashi1989[?]: because B has double ko thread always

[18:59] kendfrey[13k]: I do at least make sure it's not wrong about some big group

[18:59] tryk8[?]: yes

[19:00] CarloTibaldi[2k]: I don't understand why W doesn't play F15: what am I missing?

[19:00] aesalon[3d]: i dont think i've ever seen t2 played here lol

[19:00] cerebeal[8k]: do good players keep a running ko threat tally in their head or wait for a ko and start searching?

Move 182

[19:01] tekken8[1k]: good players maybe do that

[19:01] aesalon[3d]: players just below their level wait

[19:01] aesalon[3d]: but they are very quick at calculating them

[19:02] mirreke[6k]: Probably depends on time setting as well

[19:02] aesalon[3d]: and they see the ko 15 moves in advance :)

Move 183

[19:03] cerebeal[8k]: ;_;

[19:03] mcpudding[9k]: N3?

Move 185

[19:04] mirreke[6k]: That is just adding a stone to a dead group, no?

Move 187

[19:06] tesushi[2k]: Yeah, N3 is -1 points in gote for black.

Move 188

[19:06] cerebeal[8k]: yikes

[19:06] tryk8[?]: :(

Move 189

[19:06] tesushi[2k]: Oh boy. Is there something in there?

[19:06] aesalon[3d]: just endgame

[19:06] tryk8[?]: looks like seki

[19:07] tryk8[?]: no

Move 190

[19:07] tryk8[?]: w can play some sente moves

[19:07] tekken8[1k]: Variation: black alive

[19:08] alte_hippe[5k]: Variation: 19

Move 191

[19:08] tekken8[1k]: Variation: black alive

Move 193

[19:09] GO_TEA[2k]: alte_hippe t5 would be self-atari after white connects at t4

[19:09] tekken8[1k]: endgame big tho

[19:09] Yvmores[7k]: "connect & die" flashbacks

[19:09] aesalon[3d]: q2 was even bigger than expected

[19:09] aesalon[3d]: so painful

Move 200

[19:11] tryk8[?]: g14

[19:11] tesushi[2k]: This is such a great lesson in shape.

Move 203

[19:12] tryk8[?]: last chance

[19:12] Pumpkinseed[?]: Variation: ???

Move 204

[19:13] dlpigozzi[7k]: 25 mins for white

[19:13] OndraKruml[?]: my eyes x_x

Move 206

[19:13] Palko[2p]: What

[19:13] dacat1[6d]: w just making sure

[19:14] tryk8[?]: b19?

[19:14] dacat1[6d]: kappa

[19:14] tryk8[?]: and ko?

[19:14] aesalon[3d]: was seki at worst case but this is easy win

[19:14] tryk8[?]: yes

[19:14] dacat1[6d]: white is fine i guess

Move 207

[19:14] OndraKruml[?]: its fine thx to a16

[19:14] tryk8[?]: b19 works for b

[19:14] alte_hippe[5k]: Variation: 20

Move 210

[19:15] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: no big deal

Move 211

[19:15] tryk8[?]: now he lost this chance

Move 214

[19:16] Zaphodian[?]: Variation: Ko

[19:16] Zaphodian[?]: So W has to defend the top left

Move 219

[19:17] The Treeman[4k]: W is winning

Move 223

[19:18] cerebeal[8k]: With so many people watching the pressure not to make a bad try and just safely patch stuff must be high too.

Move 226

[19:20] CarloTibaldi[2k]: Why T12 instead of T13?

[19:20] gojigs[2d]: ah, when you play you do not see how many players watch. and also the stronger you get the more you get used to it ;)

Move 229

[19:21] GO_TEA[2k]: to later get t14

[19:21] Bjondro[5k]: t13 reverse gote?

[19:21] GO_TEA[2k]: maybe?

[19:21] CarloTibaldi[2k]: thank you both :-)

[19:21] GO_TEA[2k]: np

[19:21] megaschaf[2k]: hi laalaa

[19:21] Michaelz[1d]: Review: ##605708

[19:21] alte_hippe[5k]: it is not over

[19:21] gojigs[2d]: i think black can win

[19:22] gojigs[2d]: so close

[19:22] filip.diloom[1k]: no it's not w is ahead on the board

[19:23] Bjondro[5k]: couple ko to play

[19:23] Bjondro[5k]: one for k1 group?

Move 230

[19:23] Bjondro[5k]: ah no

[19:23] AndéolEvain[1d]: I count white comfortably ahead too (comfortably for this level, I mean)

Move 231

[19:23] gojigs[2d]: mh, then my counting is bad :)

[19:23] fatihgo[1k]: w+2,5 is my guess

[19:24] gojigs[2d]: my guess would be 0.5 for black

[19:24] gojigs[2d]: :)

[19:24] AndéolEvain[1d]: @gojigs maybe not. My counting is bad too, so don't trust me too much.

Move 233

[19:24] melman[4k]: 4.5 for white

[19:25] melman[4k]: but it's the first time in my life I counted

[19:25] gojigs[2d]: :)))

[19:25] alte_hippe[5k]: there is still a modicum of hope

[19:25] Hamlet[7k]: lol

Move 235

[19:25] The Treeman[4k]: last big point is at top left corner

Move 236

[19:25] The Treeman[4k]: 先手四目

Move 237

[19:25] Augmas[2k]: 嗯

Move 242

[19:26] Augmas[2k]: G19 for B

[19:26] Bjondro[5k]: 5,7 for white my counting

Move 243

[19:26] tekken8[1k]: ends in gote

Move 244

[19:26] Bjondro[5k]: 7.5

[19:26] tekken8[1k]: g19

[19:27] Augmas[2k]: wait what is goin on down here M1

[19:27] kendfrey[13k]: double ko

Move 246

[19:27] Augmas[2k]: a ko but it's impossible for b to win?

Move 252

[19:27] AndéolEvain[1d]: Yes. I guess he is playing him as a timesuji

Move 253

[19:27] Zaphodian[?]: 先手四目は今の段階かなり大きい。

Move 254

[19:27] AndéolEvain[1d]: *it

[19:27] cerebeal[8k]: guess its good for timer

Move 257

[19:27] idevcg[2d]: who's Siasio?

[19:27] gojigs[2d]: black ;)

[19:27] LVL79[7k]: Stanislav

[19:27] Bjondro[5k]: Frejlak

[19:28] alte_hippe[5k]: thi first man who won a double ko

[19:28] idevcg[2d]: I mean, is he a strong player, I never heard of him.

[19:28] gojigs[2d]: super strong

[19:28] aesalon[3d]: probably the next egf pro

[19:28] gojigs[2d]: maybe strongest amateur in europe

[19:28] cerebeal[8k]: he won artem last game

[19:28] Bjondro[5k]: yeah strong

[19:28] tibboh[4k]: yes, very pstrong

[19:28] Augmas[2k]: H1 for B sente

[19:28] gojigs[2d]: european amateur ;)

[19:28] idevcg[2d]: thx

[19:28] AndéolEvain[1d]: One of the big names when talking about candidates for next pro

Move 258

[19:28] Augmas[2k]: sente 3 points i guess

Move 263

[19:29] OpenTome[15k]: at least he gets more time

Move 266

[19:29] alte_hippe[5k]: now I know for what the double ko is good for: making time

Move 268

[19:29] dloranc[3k]: Siasio is the second best player in Poland

Move 269

[19:29] aesalon[3d]: yeah double ko seems a reason to not adopt fischer

[19:29] Kaiyote[5d]: hm T8 is biggest?

Move 274

[19:29] cerebeal[8k]: could be a reusable ko threat for some other ko too

Move 276

[19:29] AndéolEvain[1d]: On a real board, that double ko would also make the game easier to count. Plenty of prisonners to fill territory.

[19:29] Augmas[2k]: nah if u keep playing the double ko the game will stop

[19:29] Augmas[2k]: when nowhere to play

[19:30] aesalon[3d]: yes but you can bank time for both players with every move

[19:30] Augmas[2k]: oh i see

[19:30] The Treeman[4k]: 这个是缓气劫吧

[19:30] The Treeman[4k]: 黑棋吃不消打的

[19:30] aesalon[3d]: which would suck for tournament organizers and broadcasts lol

[19:30] Augmas[2k]: lol

[19:30] aesalon[3d]: i know korea has some pro event with fischer but i guess it never came up

[19:30] idevcg[2d]: 黑不可能赢这个劫

[19:30] Augmas[2k]: 嗯

[19:31] The Treeman[4k]: 白赢

[19:31] idevcg[2d]: i'd rather have them have the time to play their best tbh

Move 280

[19:31] cerebeal[8k]: Need a break? screw snickers, double ko!

[19:31] OpenTome[15k]: time is an important dimension/resource

[19:31] idevcg[2d]: like losing on time in an international tournament is kind of pathetic (i'm looking at you lian xiao)

[19:31] AndéolEvain[1d]: I want to be as pathetic as Lian Xiao.

[19:31] Buddah_Noodles[5d]: Poor Lian Xiao!

[19:32] The Treeman[4k]: 哈哈连笑都来了

[19:32] Augmas[2k]: ?

[19:32] Augmas[2k]: B lost right?

Move 284

[19:32] Augmas[2k]: oh not yet

Move 285

[19:32] sassycat7[3d]: Lian Xiao thought he was losing anyway

Move 287

[19:33] cerebeal[8k]: thats what the good players saying but I wouldnt be able to tell

[19:33] tekken8[1k]: w+3.5 maybe

Move 289

[19:33] Augmas[2k]: was Lian Xiao stuff a last year stuff

Move 290

[19:33] Bjondro[5k]: 0.5?

[19:33] GO_TEA[2k]: slightly more

[19:33] aesalon[3d]: i think whatever AI baduk tv used on that lan xiao game had a big misread

[19:33] AndéolEvain[1d]: No, more than 0.5

[19:33] aesalon[3d]: shin jinseo played a move that ended up being like +70%

Move 294

[19:34] AndéolEvain[1d]: Black will need to fill both H6 and H7 eventually. Painful. I think that's W+4.5

Move 296

[19:34] GO_TEA[2k]: is that the one with the ko at the end

Move 301

[19:34] OpenTome[15k]: every game I watch, Go gets more and more beautiful, thats the sign of an EPIC game!

Move 309

[19:34] idevcg[2d]: every game i watch, i have no idea what's happening

[19:34] Augmas[2k]: gg

[19:34] LVL79[7k]: Артем, вітаю з перемогою!!!

[19:35] GO_TEA[2k]: gg

[19:35] Augmas[2k]: W wins right?

[19:35] artem92[2p]: thanks

[19:35] alte_hippe[5k]: co close: ||

[19:35] ManyBears[?]: gg

[19:35] alte_hippe[5k]: gg

[19:35] Bjondro[5k]: haha my 7.5 :)

[19:35] Siasio[?]: Thank you!

[19:35] fightyoats[2d]: gg

[19:35] GO_TEA[2k]: ooh that spike in the middle

[19:36] Siasio[?]: that spike is a poor reading by a low-playout Katago KataGo

[19:36] Siasio[?]: it didn't work, White could just counter with a hane at A16

[19:36] aesalon[3d]: that attack made it close

[19:37] GO_TEA[2k]: I see thank you

[19:37] aesalon[3d]: m12 was hot

[19:38] Buddah_Noodles[5d]: Review: ##605717

[19:38] LVL79[7k]: Very good game! Both players a very very strong!

[19:38] tryk8[?]: good game

[19:38] robertmehl[16k]: gg

January 29, 2021

[15:09] WuTianCEGO[?]: Review: ##606230

March 23, 2021

[2:44] 譚博約[?]: Review: ##638939