Game Finished

Move 194

Kimsamsam[4k]

2 captures

artem92[2p]

2 captures

+ 7.5

Unranked

Rules: AGA

White wins by Resignation

Reviews

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crowis[?] - view

he541[5k] - view

RSEZ[1d] - view

Move 0

April 4, 2021

[12:07] artem92[2p]: have a nice game

[12:07] Kimsamsam[?]: Have a great gamke

[12:07] Kimsamsam[?]: game

Move 28

[12:25] Domie[2d]: find the good timing to play S3 can give a headache

Move 29

[12:26] Lalaka[4k]: looks like b needs moyo

Move 35

[12:28] Domie[2d]: with K7 in place I don't see how B can get a moyo

Move 39

[12:28] Domie[2d]: oh oh attack K7 :)

[12:28] Lalaka[4k]: ))

Move 65

[12:48] Domie[2d]: none of the strongest french players play this tournament !

Move 66

[12:49] Lalaka[4k]: is this tournament game?

[12:49] Lalaka[4k]: I was sure this game is just for fun )

[12:49] Domie[2d]: this is Paris tournament yes

[12:50] Lilltiger[1d]: black seems quite strong as well

[12:50] Lalaka[4k]: Nice. Still someone plays influence games :) It rarely happens

[12:51] Domie[2d]: I feel there is something wrong in this W shape

[12:51] Lilltiger[1d]: the amsuing part is that it's not :D

[12:51] he541[5k]: Review: ##646411

[12:51] crowis[?]: Review: ##646413

[12:51] Lilltiger[1d]: just became that way after b attack on w

[12:51] ByoYuumi[6k]: b is 8d btw!! ;)

[12:52] Domie[2d]: I thought more at B F10

[12:52] Lilltiger[1d]: 8d that does not suprise me at all :)

[12:53] ByoYuumi[6k]: what the idea of F10 after G11?

Move 67

[12:54] Lilltiger[1d]: b f10 does not work yest

[12:54] Lilltiger[1d]: yet

[12:54] Lilltiger[1d]: he is too weak to the left and the right is too open

Move 69

[12:56] Domie[2d]: tatam

[12:56] ByoYuumi[6k]: ohohoh!! we will see the idea!! =)=)

[12:56] Lilltiger[1d]: this is so risky for b

Move 70

[12:57] Domie[2d]: he can cut W but is it good or not is the question

Move 73

[12:57] Lilltiger[1d]: no, the question is if the cut actualy does something for him

[12:58] ByoYuumi[6k]: why E10? w couldn't save his group??

[12:58] Lilltiger[1d]: but i do not like w play here

[12:58] Domie[2d]: this is another way to tell the same thing Lilltiger

[12:59] ByoYuumi[6k]: ^^

Move 75

[13:00] Lalaka[4k]: oh this shape )

Move 76

[13:00] Domie[2d]: damned crazy guy

[13:01] ByoYuumi[6k]: oh boy, I'm a bit lost on this game....

[13:01] Domie[2d]: lol

Move 77

[13:02] ByoYuumi[6k]: at least I understand black moves, but w ones.... not even nearly x)

[13:02] Domie[2d]: W should something like N7 I think

Move 78

[13:02] Lilltiger[1d]: n7 might pressure the l9 group too little

[13:04] Lilltiger[1d]: as w i would like to find a way to attack l9 and q16 at the same time while hrlping the k7 group :)

[13:04] ByoYuumi[6k]: guys.... if you haven't turn 18 yet.... fly away.... it will be a bloody fight...

[13:04] Lilltiger[1d]: looking at o9 but look too complictaed

[13:04] Domie[2d]: perhaps W read that K7 cannot be killed ?

[13:05] martin97[4d]: right now he is threatening j13

[13:05] Domie[2d]: yes yes but after ?

[13:05] Lilltiger[1d]: just bm7 now is so big it does not matter if w lives or not :)

[13:05] Domie[2d]: well H14 and then ?

Move 79

[13:06] Domie[2d]: oh

[13:06] martin97[4d]: after w probably has to add a move for the lower group but you never know with these pros ^^

[13:06] Domie[2d]: /D

[13:06] martin97[4d]: m8 looks tempting but you have to find a way to deal with l7

[13:06] Lalaka[4k]: does this cut realy work?

[13:07] martin97[4d]: and f12 is a pretty nice move

Move 80

[13:07] martin97[4d]: well you can capture it with e13 but then j13 is no longer an issue

[13:07] Lilltiger[1d]: the cut made the w cut at j13 not work

[13:07] Domie[2d]: yes F12 is creative

[13:08] Domie[2d]: well hard not playing H14 now

[13:08] Lilltiger[1d]: the fight here is much about sente to attack k7 for b and m10 for w

[13:09] martin97[4d]: i doubt that w is in a position to attack here

[13:09] Domie[2d]: true but not only ...what will happen to B wall at D13 etc

[13:10] Lilltiger[1d]: indeed domie, will b have to take gote to help that wall

[13:10] ByoYuumi[6k]: is F12 was really a good move?? if we think with a tewari approch.... if black paly H14 and white respond with G15 do you really want to play F12 after???

[13:10] ByoYuumi[6k]: I'm not very good, just asking player way better than me!! ^^

[13:10] Domie[2d]: I think B cannot let W play J13

[13:11] martin97[4d]: this is not the way to do tewari I think you should take the final position of each sequence

[13:11] martin97[4d]: and then you have to compare how bad the moves are which is not always possible

[13:11] martin97[4d]: after h14 w would also never play g15

[13:11] ByoYuumi[6k]: ok! :)

[13:12] Domie[2d]: :D tewari method is not simple

[13:12] martin97[4d]: and the meaning of f12 is not that it is a local gain but its about efficiency and asking tough questions

[13:12] Domie[2d]: perhaps B is just in the toilet now

[13:13] martin97[4d]: which of course makes it a possible local gain but thats not the main point of it

[13:13] martin97[4d]: (the way I understand it)

[13:13] ByoYuumi[6k]: x) thx for explaination!! ^^

[13:13] Domie[2d]: waiting for next move makes me a bit nervous

[13:14] johan.nevstedt[1d]: D10?

[13:14] ByoYuumi[6k]: and I take every pov, especially pov of player like you!! ^^ )

Move 81

[13:14] Domie[2d]: ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[13:14] Richard.F[3k]: wow

[13:14] Lilltiger[1d]: d10 was too small

[13:14] ByoYuumi[6k]: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Move 82

[13:14] ByoYuumi[6k]: it's call kikashi right?? ^^

[13:15] Lilltiger[1d]: giving w the j13 cut just to kill f11 stones is not good enought

Move 83

[13:15] Domie[2d]: lol

[13:15] Lilltiger[1d]: hmm

[13:15] Domie[2d]: I don't understand anything

[13:15] martin97[4d]: im afraid traditional approaches and terms are not quite suitable for this kind of madness

[13:15] Welvang[1p]: feels like g14 is a terrible tesujo

[13:16] ByoYuumi[6k]: Hi Tanguy!! ^^

[13:16] Domie[2d]: hi Tanguy, terrible : bad or good ?

[13:16] Lilltiger[1d]: i would be sooo temped to f14 here as w

[13:17] Lilltiger[1d]: or j13

[13:17] martin97[4d]: i think j13 is always better than f14

[13:17] Welvang[1p]: i mean it's a really good tesujo but a terrible tesuji

[13:17] Domie[2d]: I can't read this stuff

[13:18] Domie[2d]: ah tesujo was not a typo

[13:18] ByoYuumi[6k]: what is a tesujo?? ^^ a move who seems to be a tesuji at the first glance but didn't work at all?? ^^

[13:19] Richard.F[3k]: can't understand your professional expressions...

[13:19] Lilltiger[1d]: like tesuj...ooooohhh $*!%? hehe

[13:19] Lilltiger[1d]: why did they censur that.. making it sound even worse

[13:20] Welvang[1p]: french tesuji

[13:20] Welvang[1p]: or tesuji hongrois

[13:21] Welvang[1p]: but sometimes it can be excellent

[13:22] ByoYuumi[6k]: I'm french and didn't know this word... $*!%!! ^^ thx for the explanation!! =)

[13:22] martin97[4d]: artem actually has a really nice position now I feel, even with the simple j13

[13:22] martin97[4d]: and who knows what else he will come up with

[13:24] Lilltiger[1d]: e13 might work

Move 89

[13:26] Domie[2d]: I hate B for having let W connect all his center stones

Move 90

[13:26] Lilltiger[1d]: and give w sente

[13:26] martin97[4d]: and with h9 sente w is practiclly alive

Move 91

[13:26] Lilltiger[1d]: w alive now

[13:27] Lilltiger[1d]: as h9 is sente

[13:27] Domie[2d]: what did happen to Kimsamsam ?

[13:27] Lilltiger[1d]: he backed down with c10

[13:28] Domie[2d]: perhaps that was a misclick

[13:28] martin97[4d]: nah

[13:29] Domie[2d]: even someone 2k would have play H14

Move 93

[13:30] Lilltiger[1d]: but h14 had no good follow up

Move 94

[13:31] Domie[2d]: what ?

[13:31] martin97[4d]: i really dont like whites last 3 moves

[13:31] Lilltiger[1d]: try it out :) would become and imensly complex position

Move 107

[13:35] johan.nevstedt[1d]: This is strongest 4k I've ever seen

[13:36] martin97[4d]: thats what 8d will do to you :)

[13:36] martin97[4d]: he is the highest rated european player

[13:37] Lilltiger[1d]: but artem is european as well :p

[13:37] martin97[4d]: yes, and he is the underdog in this game

[13:38] johan.nevstedt[1d]: That explains a lot :)

Move 108

[13:38] Lilltiger[1d]: 8d pro?

[13:38] martin97[4d]: no amateur

[13:39] martin97[4d]: https://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=16213560

Move 113

[13:41] johan.nevstedt[1d]: Stong

[13:42] Lilltiger[1d]: very strong

[13:43] Domie[2d]: time for S3 ?

Move 117

[13:45] martin97[4d]: s14 is sente against the corner

[13:45] martin97[4d]: and e16/f17 is also big

[13:45] Domie[2d]: B F17 not so small

[13:45] Domie[2d]: lol

[13:46] martin97[4d]: I wonder why artem is hesitating about s14

Move 118

[13:47] ByoYuumi[6k]: not hesitating anymore!! x)

[13:47] martin97[4d]: maybe n16?

[13:47] lukas.kramer.739[2d]: Inseong 8d is currently reviewing the game on twitch! Check it here: https://www.twitch.tv/federationfrancaisego?fbclid=IwAR1bO0TNl_ZpKV8Ix2Ml3FtCOc9MJZvpq0XmnviQ1XBQB3J8BCAsPMj1lss :). And happy eastern everybody.

[13:47] ByoYuumi[6k]: thx!! ^^

Move 121

[13:48] martin97[4d]: what

Move 122

[13:50] Lilltiger[1d]: w needs to be carefull now

Move 130

[13:54] martin97[4d]: j6 and n6 are cruel exchanges

[13:55] martin97[4d]: they make you worry about it all the time

[13:56] marcjegoupro[7k]: Review: ##646446

[14:04] Domie[2d]: allo

Move 133

[14:07] martin97[4d]: why does l6 not work?

Move 143

[14:13] marcjegoupro[7k]: t18 to live

Move 145

[14:14] martin97[4d]: r11?

[14:15] marcjegoupro[7k]: r11 not necessary , cut M15 possible

[14:16] martin97[4d]: and then s9, might be bigger

Move 146

[14:17] marcjegoupro[7k]: yes for sure but conter mesure for black with L17 move

[14:17] martin97[4d]: oh wow

[14:18] martin97[4d]: i completely missed that one

[14:18] marcjegoupro[7k]: m13 prevent cutting move

Move 147

[14:18] martin97[4d]: and l17 would be some endgame points at most, I believe

Move 151

[14:19] martin97[4d]: is youngsam going for s12 in sente?

[14:20] gojigs[2d]: then he could hav just play s12, threating the cut

[14:20] martin97[4d]: thats what i was wondering

[14:20] martin97[4d]: but what is blacks followup after k15?

[14:20] Sadaharu[5d]: Resign maybe?

[14:21] marcjegoupro[7k]: white has several options now

[14:23] Player908515[19k]: hi

[14:23] marcjegoupro[7k]: k15 white now

Move 152

[14:25] martin97[4d]: madness

Move 154

[14:25] marcjegoupro[7k]: it was the other option

Move 157

[14:26] marcjegoupro[7k]: then semeai

[14:26] martin97[4d]: yes and it was the madness option

[14:26] marcjegoupro[7k]: they are both crazy go players :)

[14:27] FabienMA[?]: well ihope he'll explain

Move 158

[14:27] martin97[4d]: if white doesnt kill I dont see him winning this game

[14:28] martin97[4d]: and with k15 I thought he was winning

[14:28] martin97[4d]: would be interesting to know where i am wrong

[14:28] marcjegoupro[7k]: yes possible

[14:28] RSEZ[1d]: Review: ##646464

Move 159

[14:29] marcjegoupro[7k]: now black try to make 2 eyes

Move 160

[14:30] martin97[4d]: good news for w is that p19 is sente

[14:31] marcjegoupro[7k]: k14 ?

[14:31] martin97[4d]: maybe he just read that he kills even bigger this way

Move 163

[14:33] qnpnpmqppnp[11k]: I don't understand S19

Move 165

[14:33] martin97[4d]: its meant to ensure that p19 is sente

[14:33] Fantleroy[?]: threatens life of R16 and makes it so p19 is sente

[14:34] qnpnpmqppnp[11k]: ok thanks

[14:35] martin97[4d]: g18?

[14:35] martin97[4d]: ah after g18 h15 black can play f17 again

[14:35] marcjegoupro[7k]: r19 is the secure move

[14:36] martin97[4d]: then k13 group dies

[14:36] marcjegoupro[7k]: we will see

Move 166

[14:37] marcjegoupro[7k]: ahah

Move 170

[14:37] martin97[4d]: i though you mean for w

[14:38] marcjegoupro[7k]: white is not quite alive on the s13 group

[14:39] marcjegoupro[7k]: so s9 black?

[14:39] martin97[4d]: wouldnt k17 kill black?

Move 171

[14:40] marcjegoupro[7k]: yes so h15

Move 172

[14:41] marcjegoupro[7k]: s9 white

[14:41] marcjegoupro[7k]: r9 make space

[14:41] martin97[4d]: no, t14 is sente so this is absolutely alive

[14:41] marcjegoupro[7k]: yes

[14:41] martin97[4d]: and there is miai between q12 and e16

Move 173

[14:42] martin97[4d]: i still wonder if this was worth it

Move 175

[14:42] Pan1113[2d]: t14 sente

[14:42] martin97[4d]: i think black wins after taking the lower right corner

Move 194

[14:51] gojigs[2d]: oh

[14:52] martin97[4d]: whoa

[14:52] martin97[4d]: i thought he wants to live in the corner somehow

[14:52] Kimsamsam[?]: Thank you for the game

[14:52] artem92[2p]: thank you for the game

[14:52] martin97[4d]: nice, congrats!

[14:52] Kimsamsam[?]: it was one side game

[14:52] martin97[4d]: what a game

[14:52] artem92[2p]: I messed up on the top side

[14:52] Kimsamsam[?]: did i have a chance in the end?

[14:53] martin97[4d]: why did you play s12?

[14:53] Kimsamsam[?]: yes.. i was lucky

[14:53] artem92[2p]: I think no chance, but it became much closer

[14:53] Kimsamsam[?]: and you went the hardest way

[14:53] Kimsamsam[?]: :)

[14:54] Kimsamsam[?]: anyways congreats ~~

[14:54] artem92[2p]: thank you :)

[14:54] Kimsamsam[?]: Thank you again

[14:54] Kimsamsam[?]: bye ~~

[14:54] artem92[2p]: see you

[14:55] FabienMA[?]: Artem, hello, can you explain why not k15 pls

[14:58] artem92[2p]: Hi

[14:58] artem92[2p]: Yes, K15 was better

[14:58] artem92[2p]: I was too optimistic

[14:59] artem92[2p]: S13 was really bad