Game Finished

[8:52] ronin3[2k]: maybe it's like in those american movies, W wants to create some suspense or a seemingly irrecoverable position, to COME BACK BIG AND WIN

Move 36

[8:54] Fisherman_M[8k]: it seems if B play M18 on 25th move, all W in the corner would be dead

[8:55] Hyazinth[4k]: maybe corner in trouble then (?)

[8:55] ByoYuumi[6k]: Why Artem play R6? bottom side was more interesting no?

[8:55] AdrianSz[5k]: would S15 instead of r12 open up Q14 cut and S15 would have to run away on 2nd line?

[8:55] Fisherman_M[8k]: anyway beautiful B play so far

[8:56] Hyazinth[4k]: byo yuumi, it might be more points but it gives white a lot of pressure on the right

[8:56] aesalon[3d]: no adrian but s15 does seem to be bad anyway. actually result isnt that bad for white it seems

[8:56] claire yang[6d]: strategically this is still relatively even, black holds the two corners that are supposed to be his, and white get a territory on top to split them. It's about how black can attack white's corner now

Move 45

[8:59] Hyazinth[4k]: hmm now black gave the influence on the right - so i guess i was wrong with that estimation :D

[8:59] vegetta8787[9k]: if one is 8d and another 2p, it's gauranteed 8d wins no?

[8:59] ronin3[2k]: well it was correct at the time.. assessments are not supposed to be valid for all the game ^^'

[9:00] Pol iqup[13k]: Hi

[9:00] yaku1990[4k]: vegetta8787 no, not really

[9:00] ronin3[2k]: no, 2p means professional player, it's like 9d+

[9:00] FabienMA[?]: but black has no weak group, some points cash, and the potentiel of W on top can be easily reduced

[9:00] vegetta8787[9k]: and 8d is what?

Move 46

[9:00] vegetta8787[9k]: why there are rankings then if there is no difference between 1d and 9d ? I read that each dan you can give a stone

[9:00] Tlina[2k]: 8 dan amateur

[9:00] vegetta8787[9k]: so 2p will win then?

[9:00] aesalon[3d]: they are pretty even in strength. white has OGS rank displayed, kind of meaningless since lack of high dan games

[9:00] Tlina[2k]: not sure

Move 47

[9:01] ronin3[2k]: it's not 2 d , it's 2 p. as i and others have explained above

[9:01] vegetta8787[9k]: I never heard people say p, ...

[9:01] vegetta8787[9k]: everytiime I read on wikipedia the page of a pro player, they are ranked in dan

[9:02] Hyazinth[4k]: its "pro-dan" and "amateur-dan" basically

[9:02] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: it's like girls... some do it for fun some for money...

[9:03] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: ans weak amateurs dont eecognize any difference :-)

[9:03] FabienMA[?]: in amateur, there is like one stone differnce per level, but in pro, it's more like 1/3 stone I think

[9:03] ronin3[2k]: it's not even that, pros always play even between each other

[9:03] ronin3[2k]: it does simply not have the same meaning

[9:03] ronin3[2k]: case in point, promotions in the pro ranks are based on number of victories

[9:03] claire yang[6d]: It used to be no different before 1924, amateur ranking is something "developed" independently

[9:04] ronin3[2k]: D13 seems an elegant way to play both on the left side, and now enclose the last corner

[9:05] claire yang[6d]: I have being researching the origin and history of amateur kyu ranking for months now, it is something few actually know where it came from

[9:05] yaku1990[4k]: intresting

Move 52

[9:06] claire yang[6d]: simply put, they are relic from when there were no komi, and have to determine who play black/white and handicaps

[9:06] yaku1990[4k]: xD I like p8 now

Move 55

[9:07] yaku1990[4k]: Okay, for what do you do the research?

[9:07] aesalon[3d]: white giving away so much cash

[9:08] Welvang[1p]: Hey all, I'm going to comment this game very soon on twitch, come and follow : https://www.twitch.tv/federationfrancaisego

[9:08] claire yang[6d]: the history-and-evolution-of-kyu-rank-in-go-game

[9:08] yaku1990[4k]: thx Welvang

[9:09] Ohnonononono[8k]: Looks big for black

[9:09] yaku1990[4k]: Hope it ´ll puplished, i would read it ^^

[9:10] claire yang[6d]: still digging up old documents in the early 1920s, they are harder to come by

[9:10] yaku1990[4k]: where do you do the research, in japan?

Move 56

[9:11] claire yang[6d]: I have friends in Japan, and there are online libraries digitize old documents

[9:11] marcjegoupro[8k]: ok see you on twich welvang

[9:11] yaku1990[4k]: aren´t they Hand written, think its hart to read

[9:12] marcjegoupro[8k]: artem play a very solid game

[9:12] aesalon[3d]: i think o7 is the light reduction but white might be ready to try to swallow even that

[9:12] marcjegoupro[8k]: influence vs territory two different strategy here

[9:12] claire yang[6d]: there were already in-print documents in the 19th century, just not always clear copies

[9:12] yaku1990[4k]: I like O8 or O9 at the moment

[9:13] yaku1990[4k]: ah okay

[9:13] estrange[5d]: l4 doesnt seem too bad

[9:13] claire yang[6d]: hand written documents are relatively easy actually, since the ink were darker

Move 63

[9:18] yaku1990[4k]: where you´ll puplishing it?

[9:19] claire yang[6d]: don't know, not in my plan in short term

[9:19] yaku1990[4k]: okay

Move 64

[9:20] claire yang[6d]: something I haven't posted in the early 1920s is that the kyu ranking once were 1k to 9k from weak to strong

[9:20] claire yang[6d]: I still haven't figure out when the reverse stuck in

Move 66

[9:21] yaku1990[4k]: and from 9 kyu it turned to 1dan?

[9:21] yaku1990[4k]: MAy you look on some Japan fighting sports, thay have the same system with kyu and dan

[9:21] yaku1990[4k]: I alway thought it comes from there

[9:22] Luiskaotsa[5k]: Claire Yang, may be compare with the history of the rankings in martial arts?

Move 68

[9:22] Luiskaotsa[5k]: Ninja'ed :-)

[9:22] 圍出兒童[1k]: 翻盤……還有機會吧

[9:22] claire yang[6d]: It's interesting hypothesis, I will look into that

Move 69

[9:23] yaku1990[4k]: https://www.bing.com/search?q=judo+ranking&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=judo+rankin&sc=1-11&sk=&cvid=21F79D034003441387097614E2107CD1

[9:23] yaku1990[4k]: this is from Judo

Move 71

[9:24] yaku1990[4k]: and srats with 9 kyu

Move 72

[9:24] yaku1990[4k]: down to 1kyu and turns then to dan

Move 73

[9:24] Mbrez[?]: Hello Tanguy 1p is commenting the game live on Twitch :D https://www.twitch.tv/federationfrancaisego

Move 75

[9:24] ronin3[2k]: what a top game!

Move 76

[9:25] claire yang[6d]: the Go ranking once had a period where two systems coexisted instead of linked together

[9:26] claire yang[6d]: 1k=9d, 2k=8d, ... 9k=1d, and go beyond to 12k

Move 78

[9:27] yaku1990[4k]: confucing

Move 80

[9:27] OneColorMan[1d]: interesting claire

Move 81

[9:28] claire yang[6d]: and a third one called 等, which for some reason didn't survive, only existed locally

[9:30] yaku1990[4k]: think you could give the kyu ranks in the different Countries as there own ranking systems, on account there aren´t similar

[9:30] yaku1990[4k]: only common thing is, they are called kyu

[9:30] AdamR[1d]: Seems W is catching up? I though B would get more out of the lower center

[9:31] yaku1990[4k]: but b can still atack the upper site and reduce the right

[9:31] yaku1990[4k]: b is quiet stable

[9:31] yaku1990[4k]: isn´t it?

[9:31] OneColorMan[1d]: black will probably need to play the reducing game later

[9:32] OneColorMan[1d]: the right side can get much bigger if white gets 2 free moves

Move 84

[9:34] Ohnonononono[8k]: Why not f5 for black?

Move 85

[9:35] Ohnonononono[8k]: Variation: Like this

Move 87

[9:35] OneColorMan[1d]: white will connect at g5 and allow the cut. black will have to play a capturing race against g4 stones because k4 stone is aji

[9:35] edwie[4k]: is white mojo too big ?

Move 88

[9:36] Ohnonononono[8k]: Ty

[9:36] claire yang[6d]: now black has like 35 on the bottom, 15 on the top right, about 30 on the left?

Move 89

[9:39] Juicecafe[6k]: chinese ?

[9:39] Juicecafe[6k]: yang

Move 92

[9:41] claire yang[6d]: I lived in Taiwan currently

Move 98

[9:43] Uberdude[9d]: J7 too good spot for black to get given what White for on left side in return

Move 101

[9:45] AdrianSz[5k]: Variation: I this better then?

[9:46] edwie[4k]: yes

Move 104

[9:47] yaku1990[4k]: I smell danger for the w stones on f6

[9:47] Luiskaotsa[5k]: I guess that's what G11 tries to help with

Move 105

[9:47] edwie[4k]: yes

[9:48] Rocco[2k]: White doesn't actually look cuttable.

[9:48] Rocco[2k]: E12 isn't effective.

[9:48] yaku1990[4k]: yes, not at the moment

Move 106

[9:48] yaku1990[4k]: but b f15 and he has to run

[9:49] yaku1990[4k]: and this woudn´t be good for the moyo

Move 107

[9:50] Uberdude[9d]: Variation: Adrian, maybe should j7 directly

[9:50] Rocco[2k]: That var just links to move 97.

Move 108

[9:50] Uberdude[9d]: Variation: Adrian, maybe should j7 directly

Move 111

[9:51] Uberdude[9d]: Better?

[9:51] Rocco[2k]: Yep. :P

[9:52] Rocco[2k]: Sorry for my ignorance, but who is Hiroki Kanno?

[9:52] Uberdude[9d]: Guy from Hong Kong

[9:52] Rocco[2k]: Which nationality is he?

[9:52] Rocco[2k]: Ah.

[9:52] Uberdude[9d]: He went to Biba

[9:52] yaku1990[4k]: Biba?

[9:53] Uberdude[9d]: Blackie's international baduk academy

[9:53] Uberdude[9d]: Go school in Korea

[9:53] yaku1990[4k]: ah okay

[9:53] Uberdude[9d]: I met him there

Move 113

[9:55] mcpudding[7k]: what does ai predict?

Move 116

[9:57] Rocco[2k]: This seems evenish?

Move 117

[9:57] mcpudding[7k]: thats why i asked

[9:57] mcpudding[7k]: its hard to count

[9:57] Rocco[2k]: Probably +-5 points

[9:57] mcpudding[7k]: especially with that weak white group

[9:57] Rocco[2k]: I was thinking white looks slightly favoured, but that's purely guessing.

[9:58] Uberdude[9d]: Hiroki also studied baduk at myeongji university

[9:58] mcpudding[7k]: do you count F6 group alive?

[9:58] Lukan[?]: $*!%, how can this white be a 5d... seems like his first tournament was BGA congress... another example of stupid ancient British system, that nobody can sign up higher than 5d?

[9:59] Lukan[?]: 2700 reset should be made immediately

[9:59] Ohnonononono[8k]: Rude

[9:59] Lukan[?]: I'm sorry, just this makes me angry

[10:00] Uberdude[9d]: Lukan, Britain does not prevent new players being higher than 5d

[10:00] Lukan[?]: that's what I was told by Geoff

[10:00] Lukan[?]: that it's just not possible

Move 118

[10:00] Uberdude[9d]: At London at had mystery Chinese as 7d few years ago

[10:01] Lukan[?]: probably the reset was made retrospectively then

[10:01] Lukan[?]: however

[10:01] Uberdude[9d]: He beat hajin

[10:01] Lukan[?]: I played in London 2019

[10:01] Lukan[?]: I was smashed by Qiu Zeyu

[10:01] Lukan[?]: 5d of course

[10:01] Lukan[?]: and then I was told he is famous 6d in China

Move 120

[10:01] Lukan[?]: and Geoff said he cant do anything

Move 121

[10:02] Uberdude[9d]: Strange, I am aware of some caution over mystery Chinese

[10:02] Lukan[?]: me too, a lot

Move 122

[10:02] epic coconut[2d]: I would be happy to have the opportunity to play a stronger player

[10:02] Uberdude[9d]: Remember the 5d who Adriana beat

[10:02] Lukan[?]: yes, I do

[10:02] Lukan[?]: that was not a 5d

Move 124

[10:03] Lukan[?]: epic.coconut: I like to play strong players, but losing 10 GoR hurts too much

Move 126

[10:03] Lukan[?]: Uberdude: there must be a big caution of course, there must be some proof about their past results from Asia, or at least a possibility of retrosective reset

[10:04] Uberdude[9d]: Agree

[10:04] Lukan[?]: retrospective*

[10:04] Lukan[?]: "Myosu" is EGF 7d without any doubt

[10:04] Uberdude[9d]: For the 7d, I spoke to him and he said he was strong 9d on fox

[10:04] Lukan[?]: no wonder

[10:04] Uberdude[9d]: So I spoke to Geoff and said 7d is sensible

[10:04] Lukan[?]: I'm a very rusty 9d on Fox

[10:05] Uberdude[9d]: Trouble is that corroboration needs someone to initiate

[10:05] Lukan[?]: I can write a message to GoR committee

[10:05] Lukan[?]: Ales, Lorenz etc.

[10:05] Uberdude[9d]: So if player nor organiser does it, can get some silly grades

[10:06] Lukan[?]: very true

[10:06] Lukan[?]: however, the results are clear

[10:06] Lukan[?]: and the performances as well

[10:06] Uberdude[9d]: Who did hiroki best in Europe?

[10:06] Lukan[?]: he beat Youngsam

[10:06] Uberdude[9d]: I know he got lot stronger than when I beat him at Biba :)

[10:07] Lukan[?]: in round 2

[10:07] Lukan[?]: enough? :)

[10:07] Uberdude[9d]: Yup

Move 127

[10:07] Uberdude[9d]: He did well in usgo Congress online

Move 128

[10:07] Lukan[?]: actually in this game, Artem has a good chance to win

[10:07] Rocco[2k]: is L18 forced here?

[10:08] Uberdude[9d]: Was j18 cut wrong side

[10:08] Lukan[?]: anyway, once again my apologies for my offensive words, I can easily get emotional, when I feel something is super unfair

[10:09] Rocco[2k]: Variation: You mean like so uber?

Move 129

[10:09] Uberdude[9d]: Yeah

[10:09] Uberdude[9d]: W not alive on left like that

[10:09] Rocco[2k]: I've heard a proverb, 'cut the side you don't want'

[10:09] Uberdude[9d]: So would capture stone

Move 130

[10:12] Uberdude[9d]: Lukan, actually about Qiu zeyu I was surprised he did so well at London

Move 131

[10:12] Lukan[?]: after I got to know, he is famous 6d in China, I was shocked, he lost to daniel :)

[10:12] Uberdude[9d]: At tournament before I was beating him till overtime blunder

[10:12] Lukan[?]: wow, then you must have done really well

[10:12] Uberdude[9d]: And he lost to another Chinese 5d that I beat

[10:12] Lukan[?]: when I played him, I could feel he is great

[10:13] Uberdude[9d]: I did beat Matthew macfadyen too

[10:13] Uberdude[9d]: So was a good one for me

[10:13] Lukan[?]: definitely :)

[10:13] Uberdude[9d]: But I didn't even get 2nd place because they used sosos not so as tie break!

[10:14] Lukan[?]: oh, that's strange indeed

[10:16] Rocco[2k]: Myosu might run into some time trouble if he's not careful?

[10:16] Lukan[?]: no worries, he has plenty of time :)

[10:16] Lukan[?]: Fischer time is very tollerant

Move 135

[10:21] megaschaf[2k]: määh

Move 142

[10:24] Mbrez[?]: small reminder, Tanguy 1p currently running a twitch commentary of this game :D https://www.twitch.tv/federationfrancaisego

Move 145

[10:25] martin97[4d]: b also has j13 now, no?

[10:25] Hyazinth[4k]: is it still close after this exchange?

[10:26] martin97[4d]: n10 seems weird to me

[10:26] mikach27[4d]: B H12 maybe

[10:26] Hyazinth[4k]: looks so good for b to me now

Move 146

[10:27] AdamR[1d]: As far as I can tell, yeah, it is still remarkably close. Like below 5 points difference?

[10:27] Rocco[2k]: It's felt very close for a quite some time.

[10:27] Uberdude[9d]: Black having all the fun in the endgame as thicker

[10:27] Rocco[2k]: When does a move like D2 become big for white?

[10:28] Rocco[2k]: It sets up the sente exchange at E1 too, which does feel somewhat valuable.

[10:28] PotatoDono[?]: D2 is worth around 12pts if my memory serves me right

Move 155

[10:36] martin97[4d]: o6?

Move 160

[10:36] aesalon[3d]: probably a few more than 12 since b3 would be sente if black gets in

[10:37] aesalon[3d]: or have a huge follow up i guess, if not sente

Move 165

[10:39] aesalon[3d]: b takes it now i bet

Move 172

[10:41] AdamR[1d]: I don't get T14... what is the advantage?

[10:41] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Its still super close

Move 173

[10:42] Marnoris[1k]: AdamR: i guess it was a mistake

[10:42] martin97[4d]: what else do you want to play?

Move 179

[10:43] AdamR[1d]: Well I am used to just "bump it" S13

Move 180

[10:43] PotatoDono[?]: with S13 he can push

[10:43] martin97[4d]: then i can play t12

[10:43] martin97[4d]: but immediate t12 for w seems ok actually

[10:46] aesalon[3d]: normally bump only if white has r14

[10:46] aesalon[3d]: that is usually a common stone though

[10:46] martin97[4d]: yup but forgetting to check it can be painful

[10:47] martin97[4d]: b1 is like 5 points, what else is artem considering?

[10:48] martin97[4d]: oh wow h1

Move 182

[10:49] PotatoDono[?]: This will lead to a ko?

[10:49] aesalon[3d]: if white thinks he has threats

[10:49] martin97[4d]: the ko seems unplayable for both

[10:49] aesalon[3d]: yeah

[10:49] aesalon[3d]: black would get big gain on left if he wins

[10:49] PotatoDono[?]: this requires some kamikaze stuff with b3

[10:50] aesalon[3d]: so neither would start

[10:50] PotatoDono[?]: the ko to end all KO :P

[10:50] martin97[4d]: white would die on the side, no?

[10:50] PotatoDono[?]: if the gods of the arena are with white then yeah

[10:50] aesalon[3d]: or give up the d4 stones lol

[10:50] RPI92[?]: Better to take risks than losing without taking them

[10:50] aesalon[3d]: worse than dying

[10:52] ßàbå ķî[4d]: The risk is so much bigger for white to take this gamble

[10:53] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Even threats like P3 won't be big enough for white because the risk of C3 group just dying

[10:53] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Threats will have to be local

[10:53] martin97[4d]: i havent found a way to kill the whole group so far

Move 187

[10:54] PotatoDono[?]: That's a triple digit kyu tsumego :P

[10:55] PotatoDono[?]: (i'm joking of course :) )

[10:55] aesalon[3d]: idk, it is is actually an interesting tsumego

[10:55] aesalon[3d]: ah, whoosh xD

Move 196

[10:56] ßàbå ķî[4d]: I kind of wanted to see the bigger ko ngl

Move 198

[10:56] martin97[4d]: its seriously fascinating if there is no way, it looks so fragile

[10:56] PotatoDono[?]: By Hera's will it might happen!!!

[10:56] Hyazinth[4k]: is q8 a threat?

[10:56] aesalon[3d]: Variation: maybe im reading wrong variation but i guess this can all die?

[10:57] aesalon[3d]: cant find white move, even though first thought was white could save part

[10:57] martin97[4d]: and then b10?

[10:57] aesalon[3d]: a7 i think

Move 199

[10:57] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Variation: A6 would kill the whole thing after

[10:58] aesalon[3d]: i think a7, white just a9 vs a6?

[10:58] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Variation: White can not make the second eye

[10:58] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Oh im dumb

Move 202

[10:58] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Variation: I was thinking this but didn't read it out all the way :D!

Move 203

[10:58] aesalon[3d]: anyway white would have needed a nuclear ko threat to even think of giving up d4 itself

[10:59] martin97[4d]: like p3

Move 204

[10:59] martin97[4d]: and k6

[10:59] martin97[4d]: black does not have many threats himself

[10:59] aesalon[3d]: ah it would have been playable?

[10:59] martin97[4d]: he also loses 30 points

Move 205

[10:59] aesalon[3d]: im terrified of ko lol

Move 206

[10:59] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Ko are fun

[11:00] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Breath taking though

Move 209

[11:00] PotatoDono[?]: too much stress for my old little heart

Move 210

[11:00] aesalon[3d]: just too impossible to calculate with byo yomi

Move 212

[11:00] aesalon[3d]: it is gambling

[11:00] martin97[4d]: i think artem counted that he wins without the ko

[11:00] aesalon[3d]: i think so

[11:00] martin97[4d]: so he took the reasonable yet boring approach

[11:00] martin97[4d]: he has the time for sure

[11:01] yaku1990[4k]: what means AGA at ther rules?

Move 213

[11:01] aesalon[3d]: basically chinese rules

Move 215

[11:01] yaku1990[4k]: ty

[11:01] martin97[4d]: its the rule set from america, french also use it

[11:01] aesalon[3d]: it enables you to count with japanese style

Move 216

[11:01] aesalon[3d]: and avoid japanese style l&d disputes

Move 218

[11:01] martin97[4d]: area scoring where you pay stones for passing I believe

[11:02] joachim[1k]: senseis: AGARules

Move 227

[11:03] yaku1990[4k]: okay, so the counting is still like the japanese rules?

Move 229

[11:03] Sampi[3d]: more like chinese

Move 230

[11:03] aesalon[3d]: yes, i think it lets you count with japanse but counting seki

[11:04] yaku1990[4k]: ah okay

Move 231

[11:04] aesalon[3d]: it ijust a bit convenient because chinese counting is so 2nd nature to us

[11:04] aesalon[3d]: err, unusual*

[11:04] roentgenium[5k]: Is this a picnic ko for Black?

[11:04] PotatoDono[?]: doesn't seem too picnicky

[11:04] martin97[4d]: he is at risk of losing f2 stones

[11:04] RPI92[?]: @roentgenium if W takes E1 he's threatening to capture g1

[11:05] martin97[4d]: we might see e1 now

[11:05] shigazaru[4k]: and he should

[11:05] Sampi[3d]: i dont think w will ignore anything too big

[11:05] aesalon[3d]: not quite picknic but impossibl eko for white

[11:05] Sampi[3d]: w is still ahead by a few points

[11:06] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: i doubt that

[11:06] martin97[4d]: oh really? I thought black was winning if you ignore the ko

[11:06] RPI92[?]: I counted B ahead

[11:06] martin97[4d]: my counting is bad though ^^

Move 232

[11:06] PotatoDono[?]: sugooooooiiiiii!!!

[11:06] Sampi[3d]: i think its fairly close

[11:07] Hyazinth[4k]: h1 is just alive right?

[11:07] ObieTwice[7k]: ya

[11:07] aesalon[3d]: i thought black based on counting a while ago and the way artem is playing seem slike he is confident

[11:07] Crono9987[4d]: H1 is alive but b will have lost the ko for nothing

[11:07] Sampi[3d]: less than 5pts difference, if b gets c1 and w gets no compensation its B+3 or something

[11:07] ßàbå ķî[4d]: I also think black was ahead by a little bit which is why he is fighting this

[11:07] ObieTwice[7k]: for nothing?

[11:08] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Its not nothing F2 is gonna die if black isn't careful

[11:08] martin97[4d]: yeah I agree that c1 in sente should be enough

[11:08] martin97[4d]: strange that artem didnt spend more time then

Move 233

[11:08] martin97[4d]: wow

Move 234

[11:09] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Woah

Move 235

[11:09] Sampi[3d]: maybe he is trying to put his opponent under time pressure

Move 238

[11:09] martin97[4d]: now we got the ko we all wanted

[11:09] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Well, this game is crazy

[11:09] Sampi[3d]: i cant find a good threat for b

[11:09] zyxwv[3k]: this is huge ko

[11:09] martin97[4d]: but where are the threats

[11:09] Sampi[3d]: f19?

[11:09] martin97[4d]: w also has a local one

Move 239

[11:09] Sampi[3d]: wow

[11:09] ObieTwice[7k]: not sure why B did not just drop h1 and then let W make the decision, allow ko to restart or give b sente?

[11:09] Hyazinth[4k]: f19 still there aswell

[11:09] martin97[4d]: this is not enough

Move 244

[11:10] martin97[4d]: obietwice, after d1 w can play a1

[11:10] Volker_S_Halstenbek[1d]: but b got t7 plus "x".... so let's see if "x"is bif enoough

[11:10] martin97[4d]: but clearly I understand nothing about this game...

[11:10] rtimeuser[?]: Dewa_kipas

[11:10] aesalon[3d]: I think would have ignored that in a heartbeat too

[11:11] ßàbå ķî[4d]: I would have wanted to ignore it but I think white chose to play it because he had H1 didn't want to throw something away unless he had to basically?

[11:11] aesalon[3d]: but black started with the smalle of his two threats no? f19 now

Move 245

[11:11] Sampi[3d]: d19 is basically the same, but maybe its better style

[11:12] ßàbå ķî[4d]: I don't know why he doesn't actually play up there

[11:12] ßàbå ķî[4d]: This also seems smaller

[11:12] CT3bis[?]: f19 is much biger no ?

[11:12] martin97[4d]: d15 might also be a threat

[11:12] Sampi[3d]: in theory, you should play the smaller threats first

[11:12] Sampi[3d]: that way, it becomes harder to ignore every time

[11:12] aesalon[3d]: yeah

[11:13] shigazaru[4k]: t7 feels like an overplay when he could just be safe with H1

[11:13] aesalon[3d]: unless oppponent is out of threats

[11:13] aesalon[3d]: which i kind of thought white was

[11:13] Hyazinth[4k]: is r10 threatening? feels like there is not enough space there for b

[11:13] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Mmm.. well in high ranking games it can be hard to say what is overplay because you have to understand that they in a sense "know the score"

[11:14] CT3bis[?]: white g1 and win by 10 points

[11:14] ßàbå ķî[4d]: So if you are behind and you simply back off when you k now you are losing instead why not just "overplay" (which wouldn't anymore be an overplay)

[11:14] ßàbå ķî[4d]: Since you know if you want to win you have to fight for points

[11:14] aesalon[3d]: i agree, i think white is very comfrtable after taking

[11:14] Sampi[3d]: if w ignores and b takes c8, its still very close

[11:14] Sampi[3d]: depends on the right side, around 3 pts difference

[11:15] mcpudding[7k]: what is the actual rank of Myosu?

[11:15] CT3bis[?]: 5d

Move 250

[11:16] Sampi[3d]: T9 bigger than this?

[11:16] RPI92[?]: lazy to recount now lol

[11:16] mcpudding[7k]: oh

[11:16] aesalon[3d]: yeh i keep getting w+10

[11:16] Sampi[3d]: maybe s9