Game Finished

Move 127

💖 KoBa 💖[2k]

9 captures

Eugene[9k]

2 captures

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Processing

Black wins by Resignation

Move 0

October 2, 2022

[22:57] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: contact go!

Move 1

[22:57] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: tengen opening should make it more viable

[22:57] Eugene[9k]: What shall the rules be :) :)

[22:58] Eugene[9k]: 1) Black has to play tengen first

[22:58] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: maybe we can just see if we can carry on contact moves all the way the game ^^

[22:58] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: hmm

[22:58] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: guess you attach, i cut, we make a windmill

[22:58] Eugene[9k]: Yeah - I

[22:58] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: and see where that leads us ^^

[22:58] Eugene[9k]: suspect it would be more intersting if we play corners a little first

[22:59] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: hmm

[22:59] Eugene[9k]: So something like "from their 4th move onwards, the players must place their stones in contact with another stone"

[22:59] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: yeah maybe

[22:59] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: next 4 stones on corners and then its up to you ^^

[22:59] Eugene[9k]: Yeah lets do that

[23:00] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: ^__^

Move 5

[23:01] Eugene[9k]: So now I have to play a contac tmove?

[23:01] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: yeh!

[23:01] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: lets see if we can play the whole game with from tehre ^^

Move 6

[23:01] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: with just contact moves

[23:01] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: ohh

[23:01] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: and i thought you'd attach!

[23:01] Eugene[9k]: Oh eh - is contacting your own counted - that was a question in the thread

Move 7

[23:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: ohhh

[23:02] Eugene[9k]: My take on it was that its more interesting if you don't have to :)

[23:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: just your own?

Move 8

[23:02] Eugene[9k]: I think it's either

[23:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: ^^

[23:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: yeah that sounds better ^^

[23:02] Eugene[9k]: There was an argument that "a contact move is onlt contacting your opponnent)

[23:02] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: nah that would make end-game impossible >_>

[23:02] Eugene[9k]: But I already said in the thread "that's not what I have in mind"

Move 12

[23:04] Eugene[9k]: so the rules in this game are

[23:04] Eugene[9k]: 1) Black plays tengen first

[23:04] Eugene[9k]: 2) 4 more stones can be placed freely (2 from each player)

Move 13

[23:04] Eugene[9k]: 3) The every move must be played in contact with another stone

[23:05] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: sounds pretty good ^^

Move 14

[23:05] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: 4) undo of accidentally not a contact move?

[23:05] Eugene[9k]: Yeah for sure

Move 17

[23:07] Eugene[9k]: For another game, I think there's a question about whether "digaonally contacting: would" be OK as well, but that would change things a lot for sure

Move 18

[23:08] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: yeah

[23:08] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: i feel like the idea is to not plkay stones which have 4 liberties remaining

Move 19

[23:09] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: heh funnyly tho, i think that only gives more ko threats in the opening

[23:09] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: as we cant safely tenuki from threats to settle groups

[23:09] Eugene[9k]: As if Ko wasn't hard enough to think about in ordinary go :)

Move 25

[23:13] Eugene[9k]: I just got my move in another game. I started looking for the next contact move in ther e:D :D

Move 26

[23:15] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: heheh

[23:16] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: contact go or not, i think shapewise the bottom is not looking too great >__>

Move 28

[23:16] Eugene[9k]: Darn eh

[23:17] Eugene[9k]: I must come to grips with shape some day :D

[23:18] Eugene[9k]: My cunning plan here is that since I'm not distracted by ideas of what works in normal go, then I have an advantage ;) :D :D

[23:18] Eugene[9k]: (Although being able to read would probably help)

Move 30

[23:20] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: tho im not sure how to make good shapes with just attachments and extensions, somehow i can imagine that things start collapsing in middle game >__>

Move 33

[23:22] Eugene[9k]: Hmm - making eyes is tricky isnt it

Move 34

[23:22] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: heh yeah

Move 37

[23:24] Eugene[9k]: "Now I'll just play L2 ... oh, wait, what argh!" :D

Move 40

[23:29] Eugene[9k]: Well, I'm $*!% at reading and this forces reading, so it's certainly "good for me" in that

[23:29] Eugene[9k]: character building sense 😅

[23:30] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: ^___^

Move 45

[23:31] Eugene[9k]: Actually I think it is _really good_ for reading practice, because its reading practice with a reduced set of placement options

[23:31] Eugene[9k]: Which makes it more tractable actually

[23:31] Eugene[9k]: A smaller set of infinity to reason about :D

Move 46

[23:34] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: kinda makes me think of those "broken ladder" tsumegos ^^

Move 47

[23:40] Eugene[9k]: Now I jum .... oh :D

Move 49

[23:52] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: im thinking that instead running those 3 stones, if they cant jump they cant settle there!

Move 50

[23:55] Eugene[9k]: I'm making too many groups, darn it. I have cunning plans to connect them up, but I keep allowing cuts instead

[23:55] Eugene[9k]: So that was a mistake (K7) ... I was thinking that I'd be able to threaten a ladder, but the L4 atari means that's wrong thinking

Move 56

October 3, 2022

[2:52] benjito[4k]: Variation: I guess white should have invested more in the bottom group first?

[2:53] benjito[4k]: btw I'm curious how much influence matters in this variant. is it less? to me it seems like it should be but idk

[5:51] ArsenLapin1[3d]: Or maybe more, because invasion is harder? No idea

Move 63

[21:57] Eugene[9k]: I wonder if he is saying "I can kill this connected thing anyhow" or "it's worth it for the wall"

Move 65

[22:44] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: heh jeesh you cant imagine how much i'd want to play h3 here

October 4, 2022

[1:21] Eugene[9k]: Yeah, fascinating what is and is not connected under these rules eh

Move 71

October 5, 2022

[5:14] Eugene[9k]: Yeah I think you need to be even better at shape in this game than normal!

[5:15] Eugene[9k]: Or maybe I'm just $*!% at it and its gonna hurt no matter what :D

Move 74

[12:35] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: hahah

Move 90

October 8, 2022

[23:20] Eugene[9k]: The element of "if I play here, it will _enable_ him to play there" of these rules is quite interesting

Move 91

October 10, 2022

[23:01] Eugene[9k]: Oh that was a big misread on my part

[23:02] Eugene[9k]: I didn't see the atari caused by B H3, I had though W H2 in response

Move 92

October 11, 2022

[6:54] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: yeah, that liberty at h6 was quite important for these stones >_>

Move 93

[8:15] Eugene[9k]: _Now_ you tell me that ;)

Move 94

[9:01] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: xdd'

Move 98

October 13, 2022

[2:31] Eugene[9k]: La la la, oh my tears, they fall like rain...

[8:33] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: atarifest >__<

Move 102

[8:33] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: !!!

[8:33] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: woaa no you cannot! >>___>

[9:07] Eugene[9k]: Heh heh ... at least it seems I salvaged something ...

October 14, 2022

[0:24] Eugene[9k]: (quite proud of myself about that, even though getting into this was horrendously stupid :D :D )

Move 108

October 20, 2022

[15:51] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: Variation: ah right, cant protect the cut with this xD

Move 109

October 21, 2022

[0:40] Eugene[9k]: Yes that's a hassle isn't it :)

Move 110

[0:40] Eugene[9k]: Same with vital points

Move 123

October 26, 2022

[21:26] Eugene[9k]: OK now despair is setting in ...

Move 124

October 27, 2022

[13:24] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: xd

[13:24] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: yeah its not looking super healthy for that group >___>

Move 126

October 28, 2022

[2:17] Eugene[9k]: I was told by a mentor to never resign before move 150

[11:11] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: ^___^

Move 127

October 29, 2022

[2:15] Eugene[9k]: However, in this case, that death is pretty decisive :D

[11:32] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: heh yeah >___>

[11:32] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: want to try again?

[22:54] Eugene[9k]: Sure. Let''s throw in standard komi, just to make the AI result more interesting

[23:05] 💖 KoBa 💖[2k]: sure!