Game Finished

Move 130

Moggetyrael[3d]

2 captures

Fantleroy[5d]

1 capture

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

W+29.4

F5L14M15K10O13O8

Win %

Score

White wins by Resignation

Move 0

November 5, 2023

[18:33] Fantleroy[5d]: Ah, let's play here then

[18:33] Fantleroy[5d]: have a good game !

[18:33] Moggetyrael[3d]: Hello

[18:33] Moggetyrael[3d]: Have a good game

Move 3

[18:34] Moggetyrael[3d]: IGLO

Move 130

[19:19] Moggetyrael[3d]: Thanks for the game

[19:19] Fantleroy[5d]: thanks for the game

[19:20] Moggetyrael[3d]: Maybe P15 could be ignored

[19:20] Moggetyrael[3d]: Otherwise fight is hard to manage

[19:21] Fantleroy[5d]: I think maybe just connect instead of moving out the M11 N11 stones ?

[19:21] Fantleroy[5d]: it feels that if b doesn't die there's no way w has enough territory

[19:21] Moggetyrael[3d]: Variation: Can I kill?

[19:22] Fantleroy[5d]: I thought it was hard with q12 sente but i don't know

[19:22] Fantleroy[5d]: I'm not too good at tsumego

[19:22] Moggetyrael[3d]: I was under the impression I have less territory

[19:22] Fantleroy[5d]: you have C18 and G9 for semedor, it feels to me after your invasion w is just behind

[19:22] Moggetyrael[3d]: But probably it was not a right impression

[19:23] Moggetyrael[3d]: Maybe also some C18 ideas

[19:23] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: this feels correct regardless of if it kills imo

[19:23] Fantleroy[5d]: yes c18 is at the very least big sente endgame for you

[19:24] Moggetyrael[3d]: I thought that I made more mistakes so I have to be behind

[19:24] Fantleroy[5d]: bottom left fight was interesting, I thought I was better after F5 but it was just a big mistake

[19:24] Fantleroy[5d]: i didn't foresee how thick b becomes

[19:24] Fantleroy[5d]: haha interesting, we both thought we were behind

[19:24] Moggetyrael[3d]: Yes, now I see but during the game I was angry that you got my stones

[19:25] Fantleroy[5d]: yeah, at first I thought it was big enough but b getting g3 is so huge

[19:25] Moggetyrael[3d]: And I did not really read the sequence correctly

[19:25] Moggetyrael[3d]: I wanted to play C17 instead of J3

[19:25] Fantleroy[5d]: I saw you took time after w F5 so I assumed you had missread you could connect

[19:25] Fantleroy[5d]: J3 is good I think

[19:26] Moggetyrael[3d]: That was the case

[19:26] Fantleroy[5d]: b doesn't have to play special at this point, position is better for you

[19:26] Moggetyrael[3d]: This is dissappointing - I would never go for a risky fight if I knew

[19:26] Fantleroy[5d]: F11 was a very nice move, I didn't think the shape would work so well

[19:27] Moggetyrael[3d]: Is a H3 move some standard joseki?

[19:27] Moggetyrael[3d]: Or is it just a tricky move?

[19:27] Fantleroy[5d]: I saw AI suggests it as an okay move so I wanted to try it out

[19:27] Fantleroy[5d]: it is not meant to be especially tricky

[19:27] Moggetyrael[3d]: It was better than G3 stone in a game variation I suppose

[19:28] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: simplest continuation is this

[19:28] Moggetyrael[3d]: Nice and simple

[19:28] Fantleroy[5d]: yeah, the idea is that if there is the D4 E3 exchange then the h3 stone is well placed

[19:28] Fantleroy[5d]: there are some more complicated ideas

[19:28] Fantleroy[5d]: and AI isn't very helpful as it often suggests tenuki for both players

[19:29] Fantleroy[5d]: I think in general in that pattern AI doesn't like b B5 too much

[19:29] Fantleroy[5d]: compared to the other josekis where it's correct

[19:29] Moggetyrael[3d]: I see

[19:29] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: this was also a joseki liked by alphago IIRC

[19:30] Moggetyrael[3d]: Does black add a move?

[19:30] Fantleroy[5d]: if i remember correctly b can tenuki or F5, and the weird idea is that w answers f5 with something like g4

[19:31] Fantleroy[5d]: it's been a while since i studied this, but I think the idea is that if b breaks out, w will let him in exchange to moves on the side

[19:32] Fantleroy[5d]: I can show another sequence with h3 if you'd like

[19:32] Moggetyrael[3d]: Sure

[19:32] Fantleroy[5d]: I know the top answer is f3 according to AI but i don't know followups

[19:32] Moggetyrael[3d]: sequences are good

[19:33] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: I remember something like this being a joseki

[19:33] Fantleroy[5d]: with w I think adding a move to enclose ?

[19:33] Fantleroy[5d]: I thought 12 was an interesting shape move

[19:34] Moggetyrael[3d]: It seems rather comfortable for black, at least for me

[19:34] Fantleroy[5d]: yes, I think so too

[19:34] Moggetyrael[3d]: White had a stone there first

[19:34] Fantleroy[5d]: a lot of variations b just gets the corner

[19:34] Fantleroy[5d]: h3 is the kind of moves I am not comfortable playing but AI say is playable, so I try to understand what are the benefits

[19:34] Fantleroy[5d]: but maybe for humans there are none haha

[19:34] Moggetyrael[3d]: Maybe I dissmissed D2 too early

[19:35] Fantleroy[5d]: usually it is not correct but with h3 it's fine yeah

[19:35] Moggetyrael[3d]: I think it is still good idea to play like thise

[19:35] Fantleroy[5d]: but many answers are fine for b

[19:35] Fantleroy[5d]: C2 D2 E3 D4 F3 E6 are all okay answers I think

[19:35] Moggetyrael[3d]: It is not very well known

[19:35] Fantleroy[5d]: yeah

[19:36] Fantleroy[5d]: I'm not hoping to trick people in a malevolent way, just generally bored with playing the same sequences over and over

[19:36] Fantleroy[5d]: oh, tricky without the y is censored

[19:36] Fantleroy[5d]: so I try to play new stuff

[19:36] Moggetyrael[3d]: trick

[19:36] Fantleroy[5d]: here it didn't work out so well in the end haha

[19:37] Moggetyrael[3d]: But iit was at least fun

[19:37] Fantleroy[5d]: for sure haha

[19:37] Fantleroy[5d]: hey, I'm going to get dinner now. Thanks for accepting to delay the game

[19:37] Fantleroy[5d]: best of luck for your other games this month

[19:37] Moggetyrael[3d]: thanks for the game and good luck in your next

[19:37] Fantleroy[5d]: thank you !

[19:37] Fantleroy[5d]: see you :)