Game Finished

Move 174

zchen[1p]

7 captures

RyanLi[4p]

7 captures

+ 7.5

Unranked

Rules: AGA

White wins by Resignation

Reviews

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mwangdragon2[8k] - view

TelegraphGo[4d] - view

Move 1

February 17, 2024

[19:35] RyanLi[4p]: Hi have a nice game

[19:35] zchen[1p]: hi have a good game

Move 3

[19:37] TelegraphGo[4d]: Review: ##1221959

Move 27

[19:47] daniel_lam[1k]: what is top right

Move 29

[19:48] TangJieHao[2d]: joseki

Move 35

[19:52] goplayerfromstl[4k]: gg

Move 40

[19:55] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: this is hard to find.

[19:55] daniel_lam[1k]: top left good for w?

[19:55] daniel_lam[1k]: f15 looks like it exchanged for h15, which is good for w

Move 41

[19:56] daniel_lam[1k]: hmm maybe f15/d14 exchange is the trade

Move 44

[19:56] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: Best for white

[19:56] TangJieHao[2d]: top left is good for black

[20:00] Trevoke[8k]: I wonder if Ryan's skills are still as sharp as they've been;; I suppose we'll find out.

[20:01] Trevoke[8k]: I imagine that significant brainpower has gone towards his job in the last 12-18 months

Move 45

[20:05] daniel_lam[1k]: only 1 corner variation i understand

Move 51

[20:07] TangJieHao[2d]: black is destined to lose this game via proverbs

Move 52

[20:07] Trevoke[8k]: Sounds like a great game for all the kyus then

[20:08] Trevoke[8k]: As long as someone tells us what the proverbs are.. :p

[20:08] daniel_lam[1k]: what are the proverbs? get 4 corners win?

Move 54

[20:09] TangJieHao[2d]: if black has all 4 corners he loses, if white has all four corners black loses. - abe lincoln 2099 go master

[20:09] daniel_lam[1k]: that's when they recreate abe lincoln with AGI, right?

[20:10] daniel_lam[1k]: 2099 sounds about right

[20:10] azazil[3d]: Arguably a bit better proverb in handicap games but there is a point to it

[20:10] Trevoke[8k]: also don't go oiling your assault rifle when someone's throwing grenades at your fire brigade, well-known go proverb

[20:11] Trevoke[8k]: popularized by Dosaku in the historic zombie attack of 867 after robot jesus

[20:11] Trevoke[8k]: Dosaku, of course, was the pop icon who brought such songs as "my dog loves you more than me" and "when in doubt, eleven wedgies.

[20:12] Trevoke[8k]: "

[20:12] daniel_lam[1k]: how many points is black bottom right generally considered

[20:12] daniel_lam[1k]: ?

Move 55

[20:13] daniel_lam[1k]: 11?

Move 57

[20:15] Trevoke[8k]: I'd probably count it as 11

Move 61

[20:18] daniel_lam[1k]: this is looking good for b

[20:18] TangJieHao[2d]: white gained here though

[20:19] Trevoke[8k]: What are the available shape points locally in the N17 area for W ?

[20:19] TangJieHao[2d]: black is removing some aji for thickness

[20:19] daniel_lam[1k]: That F15 stone is reactivating a little bit

Move 64

[20:20] TangJieHao[2d]: m3 is surely a mistake

[20:20] daniel_lam[1k]: D13?

[20:20] sedgwick[4d]: Why is m3 a mistake?

[20:20] daniel_lam[1k]: i guess black should just run into center bottom right, and see what white wants

[20:21] sedgwick[4d]: Maybe white just connect against d13?

[20:21] azazil[3d]: m3 is quite a big move

[20:21] daniel_lam[1k]: E12/D13 exchange is what b wants, it seems

[20:21] TangJieHao[2d]: doesnt matter if its big. its not urgent

[20:21] sedgwick[4d]: white d13 seems slow

[20:21] azazil[3d]: Why is the upper left any more urgent?

[20:21] daniel_lam[1k]: If M3 is worth more points than D13 area, then it's more urgent

[20:22] sedgwick[4d]: I don't see any good shape for white to add a move there

[20:22] TangJieHao[2d]: why is losing an attack less urgent than points?

[20:22] Transylvania[2d]: d13 feels so powerful.

[20:22] azazil[3d]: No serious attack is in the cards there

[20:22] daniel_lam[1k]: If the overall points from the attack is less than the big move

Move 65

[20:22] azazil[3d]: How would white attack black strongly in the upper left?

Move 68

[20:23] TangJieHao[2d]: thickness provides. if you dismiss it then you lose potential

[20:23] daniel_lam[1k]: I think W shouldve played top left, but it was not good end result

[20:23] TangJieHao[2d]: you dont need to attack it immediately to gain profit for keeping a group weak

Move 70

[20:25] daniel_lam[1k]: M2?

[20:25] Trevoke[8k]: Ryan's PJ skill seems to be as sharp as ever

Move 71

[20:25] TangJieHao[2d]: sedgwick I would say c12 is better than d13

Move 73

[20:27] daniel_lam[1k]: does zchen play differently on stream?

[20:27] daniel_lam[1k]: this is a bit more territorial than usual

[20:28] Trevoke[8k]: On stream he plays Fox games, if that counts as enough of an explanation

[20:28] daniel_lam[1k]: but it's at the higher strengths

[20:29] Trevoke[8k]: Does he play many games with one hour time settings on stream?

[20:29] pekoe[15k]: Definitely not lol

[20:29] daniel_lam[1k]: i feel like when you get 6d+ your style doesn't change much

[20:30] daniel_lam[1k]: it's like I'm watching iyama yuta go from his capture races to a cho chikun territory style

[20:30] Trevoke[8k]: I dunno, zchen's pro qual games were very different from his stream games, and this one reminds me of the pro qual games

[20:30] TangJieHao[2d]: essential zchen is saying his territory is enough with moves like m17

[20:32] TangJieHao[2d]: btw AlexQi vs MingJiuJiang right now as well

[20:33] Trevoke[8k]: -> game 61684934

Move 74

[20:36] daniel_lam[1k]: what anti cheat measures are being enforced?

[20:36] TangJieHao[2d]: proctors

Move 77

[20:39] Trevoke[8k]: 8-8 move, mega-katago-brain

[20:39] Trevoke[8k]: wait 'til In-Seong hears about this, that'll be his next lecture

Move 93

[20:44] daniel_lam[1k]: first major test now

[20:44] TangJieHao[2d]: feels like the turning point

[20:44] TangJieHao[2d]: either player could cause an avalanche

Move 94

[20:48] daniel_lam[1k]: w constructed half a great wall

[20:49] daniel_lam[1k]: M3 N5 M7 L9

[20:49] Trevoke[8k]: If Ryan somehow completes the great wall we'll know he's trolling

[20:50] daniel_lam[1k]: M2?

Move 111

[21:06] daniel_lam[1k]: after all that happened, it just ends up being a L&D

Move 114

[21:09] Trevoke[8k]: "just"

Move 119

[21:16] daniel_lam[1k]: M2?

Move 120

[21:16] edwardzhang[4d]: Ryan's J3 may be a Brilliant Move for dragon slayer for the National Contest

[21:18] edwardzhang[4d]: https://baduk.news/s/2024--national-%E2%80%9Cbrilliant-move%E2%80%9D-go-artistry-contest

[21:19] edwardzhang[4d]: Artistry Contest Details: https://baduk.news/s/2024--national-%E2%80%9Cbrilliant-move%E2%80%9D-go-artistry-contest

Move 124

[21:23] Trevoke[8k]: This is going to be an insane byo-yomi competition isn't it

[21:23] daniel_lam[1k]: i think game is gonna end soon

Move 131

[21:25] Trevoke[8k]: I don't think B will resign until it is patently obvious that W cannot be coaxed into a mistake

Move 132

[21:25] Trevoke[8k]: This is a winning position but not a won game

Move 133

[21:25] TangJieHao[2d]: I would like to add this is only a lost game for white if they royally mess up

Move 134

[21:26] Trevoke[8k]: *nod*

Move 138

[21:28] Trevoke[8k]: I would not have had the courage to tenuki that attachment

Move 143

[21:31] TangJieHao[2d]: this is s a solid opportunity to turn the game around

Move 144

[21:31] daniel_lam[1k]: soon b top pieces eaten

Move 174

[21:42] Bunburyist[2k]: B needs a superhero move somewhere, yes?

[21:43] Trevoke[8k]: B needs to play like three moves in a row

[21:43] Schala[2k]: b is on copium

[21:44] TangJieHao[2d]: gg

[21:44] RyanLi[4p]: thanks

[21:45] Trevoke[8k]: gg

February 18, 2024

[0:53] HonkeyKong[9k]: Review: ##1222049

[15:48] mwangdragon2[8k]: Review: ##1222388