Game Finished

Move 261

MingjiuJiang[7p]

179 points

AlexanderQi[1p]

189.5 points

Unranked

Rules: AGA

White wins by 10.5 points

Reviews

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TelegraphGo[4d] - view

AlbertYen[6d] - view

Move 0

February 17, 2024

[20:10] AlexanderQi[1p]: Hi have a nice game

Move 34

[20:22] TelegraphGo[4d]: Review: ##1221974

Move 45

[20:30] Trevoke[8k]: The Northwest corner is essentially a taisha

Move 55

[20:37] Trevoke[8k]: If I were W I would take this SW corner as a giant game of chicken and I would blink and lose

[20:37] daniel_lam[1k]: i think i owe mingjiu 100 pushups

[20:37] daniel_lam[1k]: they dont accrue interest right?

Move 56

[20:39] TangJieHao[2d]: I believe they do, told me its 15%

[20:39] daniel_lam[1k]: wow bottom left

Move 57

[20:39] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: Best black should get imo

[20:40] daniel_lam[1k]: didnt know mignjiu would go for that type of joseki

Move 58

[20:45] TangJieHao[2d]: Alex having a good opening

[20:45] TangJieHao[2d]: I can finally give MJJ some flak xD

[20:46] Dalan[2d]: I would have done the lame outside cut variation. this feels painful as b.

[20:46] Dalan[2d]: coming from someone who tries the knife every game...

Move 59

[20:47] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: 1

[20:47] TangJieHao[2d]: probably would have been better

[20:48] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: white might try this though

[20:49] Dalan[2d]: possible I think with the ladder b can do the more aggro variation

Move 60

[20:50] AlbertYen[6d]: this is Mingjiu's style

[20:50] AlbertYen[6d]: attack attack

[20:50] AlbertYen[6d]: if he sees a weak group he'll go for it

[20:51] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: isnt this good for white?

[20:51] Trevoke[8k]: To be fair he put a lot of work into weakening this group :p

Move 61

[20:51] AlbertYen[6d]: I bet AI win rate is a little more favorable to W right now

[20:51] AlbertYen[6d]: but it's hard to settle both left and top side correctly

[20:51] daniel_lam[1k]: OGS SE W +7 w

[20:51] AlbertYen[6d]: yea lol

[20:52] AlbertYen[6d]: Mingjiu's midgame tho

Move 62

[20:52] AlbertYen[6d]: is much stronger than all of us

[20:52] TangJieHao[2d]: I think trading 4 stones for 4 woulda been better

[20:52] Trevoke[8k]: I am pretty excited to see how this game unfolds, for sure

[20:52] AlbertYen[6d]: Alex Qi is also known to throw in overtime, tho 60s BY should help him a lot

[20:53] TangJieHao[2d]: Alex doesn't take risks :(

[20:53] TangJieHao[2d]: what is this disgusting solid play

[20:53] AlbertYen[6d]: I'm looking at G7 for B

[20:53] Trevoke[8k]: You judge it however you want, I'm taking lessons in not freaking out right now

[20:54] daniel_lam[1k]: freaking out for who?

[20:54] Trevoke[8k]: Me

[20:54] Trevoke[8k]: If I played W

[20:54] daniel_lam[1k]: b is attacking with a flimsy shape

Move 63

[20:54] Trevoke[8k]: It's strong enough for me to freak out :P

[20:54] daniel_lam[1k]: you should be happy as W here >:]

[20:55] Trevoke[8k]: I would never, ever, ever play a fuseki this way, so I'm completely lost

Move 66

[20:55] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: 2

Move 67

[20:55] TangJieHao[2d]: basicly a straight read

[20:55] TangJieHao[2d]: although white might not cut

Move 68

[20:55] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: 3

[20:55] TangJieHao[2d]: though I doubt this makes sense here

Move 69

[20:58] TangJieHao[2d]: im being trolled

Move 70

[20:58] Trevoke[8k]: incoming "MJJ midgame"

Move 71

[20:58] AlbertYen[6d]: Review: ##1221986

[20:59] AlbertYen[6d]: how do I turn on AI score estimate on OGS when observing games

[20:59] daniel_lam[1k]: i just click estimate score every time

[20:59] daniel_lam[1k]: dunno about the line graph

[20:59] AlbertYen[6d]: is that accurate tho

Move 72

[20:59] daniel_lam[1k]: dunno about that either :D

Move 73

[21:00] TangJieHao[2d]: as far as I know you cannot use live ai for analysis

[21:01] AlbertYen[6d]: ok

[21:01] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: probably better

[21:01] daniel_lam[1k]: B7 connects?

[21:01] Trevoke[8k]: As an observer, you click on estimate score, you get information from a low-playout katago, so it's accurate "enough"

[21:01] daniel_lam[1k]: or is he looking for a tenuki

[21:02] daniel_lam[1k]: Juicy G13 area

Move 74

[21:04] daniel_lam[1k]: gimme my prize money

[21:04] AlbertYen[6d]: see Alex is scared

[21:04] AlbertYen[6d]: this move can't be good

[21:04] AlbertYen[6d]: too passive

[21:04] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: this is where it's at

[21:04] AlbertYen[6d]: now the G14 black stones are light

[21:05] TangJieHao[2d]: would have played h13

[21:05] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: maybe this for B

[21:05] daniel_lam[1k]: channel the inner changho

[21:06] AlbertYen[6d]: W has ~40-45 on the board

[21:06] AlbertYen[6d]: B has 12 in top left

[21:06] AlbertYen[6d]: needs ~40 elsewhere

Move 77

[21:10] daniel_lam[1k]: activate the great sword

[21:10] Trevoke[8k]: if we see the magic sword next to the flying knife, there won't be a board left to play the yose

[21:10] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: easy dub

[21:11] AlbertYen[6d]: hm

[21:11] AlbertYen[6d]: I don't like how this is going for B tho

Move 78

[21:11] AlbertYen[6d]: hard for B to make points in this game

[21:11] daniel_lam[1k]: mingjiu would go for a different variation bot r

Move 80

[21:12] Dalan[2d]: maybe that's why he just played b7 over h13.

Move 81

[21:12] AlbertYen[6d]: moves like b7 is why I think Mingjiu has a good chance despite being behind

Move 83

[21:13] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: simple way for W to play

[21:13] TangJieHao[2d]: well Alex fell behind before with floating group like q5

[21:13] TangJieHao[2d]: true

[21:14] daniel_lam[1k]: good thick style

Move 84

[21:15] AlbertYen[6d]: B doesn't have initiative here

[21:16] AlbertYen[6d]: I think Mingjiu's chance will have to come when Alex is in byo yomi

Move 85

[21:16] AlbertYen[6d]: so far Alex has played well and calm

[21:17] TangJieHao[2d]: when is that? the game is almost over xD

Move 86

[21:17] AlbertYen[6d]: nah the game doesn't start until 100 moves in

[21:17] AlbertYen[6d]: it's all warm up now

[21:18] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: maybe a closer pincer would've been better

Move 90

[21:19] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: B has a ko attack here later

[21:19] Ksaraf23[24k]: this is awesome

[21:19] Ksaraf23[24k]: i'd be struggling at this point

[21:20] Ksaraf23[24k]: he needs to prevent solid shapes (black)

[21:20] AlbertYen[6d]: to be fair B is way down in points

[21:21] AlbertYen[6d]: so b needs to cause some trouble in the moves ahead

[21:21] Ksaraf23[24k]: yeah. that group at the bottom left could be in trouble

[21:21] Ksaraf23[24k]: i have a similar situation going on in several of my games

[21:21] Ksaraf23[24k]: i don't have enough of an understanding of tsumego to get out of those situations yet

[21:23] AlbertYen[6d]: bottom left is all W's territory right now

[21:23] daniel_lam[1k]: what is black's plan

[21:23] Ksaraf23[24k]: yeah i see

[21:23] Trevoke[8k]: @daniel as soon as B knows we'll let you know :kappa:

[21:23] Ksaraf23[24k]: C5 might be a good move to place pressure on white

[21:24] Ksaraf23[24k]: W would play D4, and then B could do C6

[21:24] Ksaraf23[24k]: make that black group more solid and potentially save the stones at the bottom

[21:25] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: if there's no eye around D11 B has a sneak attack here later

[21:25] Ksaraf23[24k]: good eye. pun intended

Move 91

[21:27] TangJieHao[2d]: this is a good move

Move 92

[21:27] Ksaraf23[24k]: yeah

[21:27] Trevoke[8k]: Variation: I got a basket and it's got all my eggs?

Move 93

[21:27] InkAndBrass[15k]: hmm

[21:28] TangJieHao[2d]: Variation: more like this

[21:29] TangJieHao[2d]: it might even be smaller than that

[21:29] Ksaraf23[24k]: Dans really are on another level

Move 94

[21:29] daniel_lam[1k]: just change your name

[21:30] Trevoke[8k]: True, you too can be a Dan

[21:32] Dalan[2d]: so... n8 here?

[21:32] TangJieHao[2d]: comes with stipulations and regulations* ™

[21:32] Ksaraf23[24k]: Id play at K4 next

[21:32] Ksaraf23[24k]: to save the stones at the bottom right

Move 96

[21:33] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: could this be a variation

[21:33] daniel_lam[1k]: 30 moves O

[21:33] daniel_lam[1k]: :O

[21:34] Ksaraf23[24k]: jesus, how far ahead do you see?!

Move 97

[21:34] Ksaraf23[24k]: that move wasn't bad either

[21:34] Trevoke[8k]: Albert is looking at you *right now*, that's how far ahead he sees

[21:34] Ksaraf23[24k]: but B still has to save the bottom right at some point

[21:34] Trevoke[8k]: also technically that's really just kinda.. maybe three exchanges, not really thirty moves, so to speak

[21:34] Ksaraf23[24k]: K4 isn't looking too bad rn

Move 99

[21:35] Ksaraf23[24k]: suddenly glad I didn't play him in a live match

[21:35] Ksaraf23[24k]: that would be too daunting

[21:35] Ksaraf23[24k]: i played against a dan player who was weaker, and it still felt demoralizing

Move 100

[21:35] AlbertYen[6d]: I feel like W is still easily 10pt ahead in points

[21:35] Ksaraf23[24k]: see, what did I tell you?

[21:35] AlbertYen[6d]: so B needs to find some weaknesses to attack

[21:35] TangJieHao[2d]: sudden;y MJJ is behind on time now

[21:35] Ksaraf23[24k]: now B is most likely dead there

[21:36] Ksaraf23[24k]: I think W will win too unless something else happens

Move 101

[21:36] TangJieHao[2d]: B is alive

[21:36] Ksaraf23[24k]: if W plays around K4, it can claim that entire area

Move 104

[21:37] daniel_lam[1k]: R10 is interesting

Move 108

[21:38] TangJieHao[2d]: Alex is finessing MJJ

Move 109

[21:38] AlbertYen[6d]: game is now a lot more simplified tho

[21:38] AlbertYen[6d]: evolving in a good direction for W

Move 111

[21:38] TangJieHao[2d]: how good is Alex's endgame?

[21:38] daniel_lam[1k]: lee changho status

[21:38] TangJieHao[2d]: good enough to lose 10p?

Move 112

[21:39] AlbertYen[6d]: as far as I know Alex Qi is not known for his endgame XD

[21:39] AlbertYen[6d]: but that could be related to time pressure

Move 113

[21:39] Trevoke[8k]: To be fair though, he's only had about two years to "be known", so cut him a bit of slack :D

[21:40] AlbertYen[6d]: if W extends at K8 B will finally get sente to try something

Move 114

[21:40] daniel_lam[1k]: !!

Move 115

[21:40] AlbertYen[6d]: W is still maintaining pressure

[21:40] daniel_lam[1k]: good haengma

Move 117

[21:40] Ksaraf23[24k]: Not good. Now W can extend into that open space

[21:40] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: B seals

Move 122

[21:42] AlbertYen[6d]: I think B needs to make B6 exchange at some point

[21:42] Ksaraf23[24k]: What if he plays at O8?

[21:43] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: could be a move

[21:43] AlbertYen[6d]: yeah I support B O8

[21:43] AlbertYen[6d]: cleans up the aji

[21:43] Ksaraf23[24k]: Exactly

Move 123

[21:43] AlbertYen[6d]: if you just count territory it's more or less balanced now

[21:44] AlbertYen[6d]: but W has some potential in the bottom and right side

[21:44] daniel_lam[1k]: ksaraf23, gimme the count

Move 124

[21:44] Ksaraf23[24k]: That idea I had earlier could have saved him in the bottom right

[21:44] Ksaraf23[24k]: Well now he’s screwed

[21:45] AlbertYen[6d]: B prob has to S2

[21:45] Ksaraf23[24k]: Yeah that’s a good move

Move 125

[21:46] dingdonglong[10k]: Review: ##1221996

Move 130

[21:49] AlbertYen[6d]: now sure why W didn't exchange S2

Move 138

[21:52] RyanLi[4p]: yay Alex :)

[21:52] Trevoke[8k]: Aw look at the proud teacher

Move 140

[21:53] Trevoke[8k]: Congrats on your win, Ryan

Move 141

[21:53] RyanLi[4p]: ty

[21:54] AlbertYen[6d]: Q7 was a huge mistake

[21:54] Ksaraf23[24k]: Did B resign?

[21:54] AlbertYen[6d]: it lost many points

Move 142

[21:54] RyanLi[4p]: R18 seems to be biggest

[21:54] AlbertYen[6d]: yea

[21:55] Ksaraf23[24k]: j11 might be good

[21:55] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: B's chance

[21:55] TangJieHao[2d]: unfortunate to have picked the flying knife

Move 145

[21:59] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: 12

[21:59] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: w made a mistake I think

[22:00] AlbertYen[6d]: Mingjiu is tricky lol

Move 146

[22:00] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: remember this liberty shortage :)

[22:00] daniel_lam[1k]: i cant count higher than 5

[22:01] AlbertYen[6d]: J6 doesn't seem to be that big compared to R18

[22:01] AlbertYen[6d]: idk

[22:03] AlbertYen[6d]: it's a close game now actaully

Move 148

[22:03] TangJieHao[2d]: whites leading by about komi though

Move 150

[22:03] AlbertYen[6d]: yea due to potential on the right and around H4

Move 154

[22:04] AlbertYen[6d]: I wish B played S11 instead of R11

Move 155

[22:05] AlbertYen[6d]: so maybe Black's win condition will be W messing up on the left later

[22:05] daniel_lam[1k]: W Q18?

[22:05] daniel_lam[1k]: or R7

[22:05] AlbertYen[6d]: Variation: interestingly B is already kinda connected to R18

[22:05] AlbertYen[6d]: how about S7

Move 160

[22:08] daniel_lam[1k]: initiate end game

Move 170

[22:10] AlbertYen[6d]: I wonder if M19 is sente

Move 172

[22:12] Ksaraf23[24k]: So is W winning?

Move 174

[22:12] AlbertYen[6d]: yea

Move 178

[22:13] AlbertYen[6d]: W got this nice reverse sente

Move 185

[22:18] AlbertYen[6d]: this is why I suggest B make the B6 exchange earlier

Move 186

[22:18] AlbertYen[6d]: now W has a different response

Move 195

[22:20] miladragon3[11k]: What was the purpose of C6 instead of just connecting? I don't see what it gained

Move 196

[22:20] miladragon3[11k]: Connecting to the three stones I mean

Move 203

[22:22] TangJieHao[2d]: alex gained in endgame

Move 205

[22:22] TangJieHao[2d]: pog

Move 210

[22:24] AlbertYen[6d]: oh wow

[22:24] AlbertYen[6d]: lol

Move 211

[22:24] Ksaraf23[24k]: This was interesting

Move 212

[22:25] Ksaraf23[24k]: Can’t remember the last time I just watched a march instead of playing one

Move 236

[22:30] Ksaraf23[24k]: yup.

Move 240

[22:30] Ksaraf23[24k]: those stones could easily have been saved

Move 242

[22:30] AlbertYen[6d]: can't believe W ended up winning by 12 points

[22:30] AlbertYen[6d]: lmao

Move 244

[22:31] Ksaraf23[24k]: it could have been much closer

Move 245

[22:31] Ksaraf23[24k]: even I could see the mistakes

Move 260

[22:32] edwardzhang[4d]: seems to me a relatively peaceful game, yet the lower left Mi-Joseki, W gained a lot

Move 261

[22:32] TangJieHao[2d]: gg

[22:32] AlexanderQi[1p]: thanks for the game

[22:33] yourstonesaremine[6k]: gg

[22:33] yourstonesaremine[6k]: Review: ##1222012

[22:33] Trevoke[8k]: gg

[22:35] edwardzhang[4d]: Many thanks to Jiang 7P and Qi 1P for the brilliant game