Game Finished

Move 315

Fantleroy[5d]

40 points

Cezary[4d]

56.5 points

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Processing

White wins by 17.5 points

Move 0

May 26, 2024

[7:59] Cezary[4d]: hey, have a nice game

[7:59] Cezary[4d]: iglo

[7:59] Fantleroy[5d]: have a good game !

Move 21

[8:06] Mrrr[1d]: it is amazing that for centuries hane s16 was played as a part of joseki and nobody saw how much weaker hoshi-owner would be without it.

Move 28

[8:09] shin0e[3d]: yeah, that's very cool :) It was just honte I think, seemed proper

[8:09] Mrrr[1d]: or rather some have been seeing but were blinded by tradition

Move 30

[8:12] shin0e[3d]: possibly. It was engraved enough that even if some double digit kyu would play it, he would be scolded for it ;D

[8:12] Mrrr[1d]: yeah :)

[8:12] shin0e[3d]: I'm definitely guilty of it, and I'm pretty sure a lot of players were ;)

Move 31

[8:13] shin0e[3d]: to my defense - so did the pro players :)

[8:13] Mrrr[1d]: white has really nice fighting position. I am curious how black with deal with it

Move 33

[8:15] Mrrr[1d]: c11 definitely not my choice :)

Move 34

[8:16] Mrrr[1d]: hm, now i see the idea and i like it though…

Move 37

[8:19] Fantleroy[5d]: I'm sure this is a safe shape :D

Move 42

[8:22] shin0e[3d]: c11 seems fine for ma, just try to make the stones work on both c12 and f4 :) not sure I would play it either though

Move 44

[8:23] Mrrr[1d]: i would not find it, but definitely i would try to separate and attack black group :)

Move 45

[8:24] Mrrr[1d]: i am thinking about alternatives for f10

Move 46

[8:25] Mrrr[1d]: but it hink it was a cool move :)

Move 48

[8:25] shin0e[3d]: Variation: possibly this would be an alternative. Very fragile though, I like the game better :)

Move 49

[8:27] Mrrr[1d]: yes f10 works better with lower black group, it speeds it up

Move 52

[8:27] Mrrr[1d]: trivial cut ;)

[8:29] shin0e[3d]: cut yes, answer not really trivial ;)

[8:29] Cezary[4d]: you haven't gone to Strasbourg?

[8:30] Mrrr[1d]: h10

[8:30] Fantleroy[5d]: that's like 11h away from where I live haha

[8:31] Cezary[4d]: you live in australia or something?

[8:31] Fantleroy[5d]: i live in "no train zone"

Move 53

[8:33] Mrrr[1d]: there is something suspicious in h9

[8:34] Cezary[4d]: united states then

[8:34] Fantleroy[5d]: haha

Move 60

[8:37] baduk17[11k]: what's iglo?

Move 62

[8:37] Cezary[4d]: uh

[8:37] Cezary[4d]: haha

[8:37] Cezary[4d]: what an autoplay

[8:38] Cezary[4d]: i didn't check what you played

[8:38] Fantleroy[5d]: well, it strangely doesn't change much, no ?

[8:38] Cezary[4d]: true

[8:38] shin0e[3d]: polish Go league, with commentary https://iglo.szalenisamuraje.org (there is also english version)

Move 64

[8:38] shin0e[3d]: english version of the site I mean

Move 65

[8:38] Fantleroy[5d]: my intention wasn't to trick you, i was thinking about double ko threats and maybe thought a little too hard

[8:38] shin0e[3d]: some chosen rounds (usually 1, 3 and 5) are commented by stronger players, depending on strength of the players in group

[8:39] Cezary[4d]: yeah

[8:39] Fantleroy[5d]: t r 1 c k is censored ? huh

[8:39] Cezary[4d]: not for e

[8:39] Cezary[4d]: not for me

[8:39] Cezary[4d]: im a big boy

[8:39] Fantleroy[5d]: ah well maybe i still have ogs baby mode on

[8:39] Cezary[4d]: ;p

[8:39] shin0e[3d]: and commentaries are uploaded to youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@internetowagoligao3097) - if there is a non-polish player, then commentary is in english

[8:40] shin0e[3d]: https://www.youtube.com/@internetowagoligao3097 this one :)

Move 66

[8:41] shin0e[3d]: example english one (commentary by Stanisław Frejlak 1pro) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt16Q_iDFWU

Move 69

[8:45] baduk17[11k]: trick

Move 78

[8:54] Mrrr[1d]: interesting white didn’t want to chase black further

Move 89

[8:59] Mrrr[1d]: why not black k4 instead of m4?

Move 91

[9:02] Mrrr[1d]: ok, i see why :)

Move 92

[9:05] ramza_beoulve[3k]: does not W H8 kill?

Move 95

[9:06] Mrrr[1d]: black has an eye at g11 as well

Move 96

[9:06] Mrrr[1d]: or maybe he doesn’t?

[9:06] Mrrr[1d]: hm

Move 99

[9:07] ramza_beoulve[3k]: yes you re right thx

[9:07] Mrrr[1d]: he does :)

Move 101

[9:09] Mrrr[1d]: had white extend to f8, there would be still chased group. I wonder why white decided to let it live

Move 127

[9:18] Mrrr[1d]: does this move kill?

Move 138

[9:19] Mrrr[1d]: kind of. Anyway, seems over for black

Move 315

[9:51] Fantleroy[5d]: tyty !

[9:51] Cezary[4d]: thanks!

[9:51] Fantleroy[5d]: byo yomi is sad

[9:51] Cezary[4d]: true

[9:51] Fantleroy[5d]: ah apparently G5 was worth taking hahaha

[9:51] Cezary[4d]: ayayay

[9:51] Cezary[4d]: let's say

[9:51] Cezary[4d]: it was a courtesy of you

[9:52] Fantleroy[5d]: yes surely

[9:52] Fantleroy[5d]: lots to review, I felt good but then the result was garbage

[9:52] Cezary[4d]: oh interesting

[9:52] Cezary[4d]: I thought I was good throughout the game

[9:53] Cezary[4d]: at the m13 point I thought I messed up something

[9:53] Cezary[4d]: but other than that it was good for white, no?

[9:53] Fantleroy[5d]: but don't you always do anyway ? :D

[9:53] Fantleroy[5d]: i mean, i never really felt ahead, but i thought up to l9 should be fine for both

[9:54] Cezary[4d]: yeah maybe I do tend to overestimate my position hehe

[9:54] Cezary[4d]: aha, l9 yes

[9:54] Fantleroy[5d]: but living was just too slow

[9:54] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: this smth like this I guess ?

[9:54] Cezary[4d]: mhm I was surprised that you let me seal you in

[9:55] Fantleroy[5d]: i thought i could live a bit better, in the end giving l2 was annoying

[9:55] Fantleroy[5d]: esp since you also could connect center in sente

[9:55] Cezary[4d]: mm yeah

[9:55] Fantleroy[5d]: maybe around 80 i should just play to cut something

[9:56] Fantleroy[5d]: and die honorably

[9:56] Cezary[4d]: yeah maybe

[9:56] Cezary[4d]: very difficult

[9:56] Fantleroy[5d]: maybe also B17 makes it too simple

[9:56] Cezary[4d]: I was annoyed at b17 haha

[9:56] Fantleroy[5d]: is that so ? haha

[9:56] Cezary[4d]: I wanted b17 and f14 :D;

[9:56] Cezary[4d]: and couldn't decide

[9:57] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: also i expected this, does it not work ?

[9:57] Cezary[4d]: it works

[9:57] Cezary[4d]: but I think it's not that great

[9:57] Cezary[4d]: Variation: 1

[9:57] Cezary[4d]: you can take like this

[9:57] Cezary[4d]: but then what with the group on the bottom side

[9:58] Fantleroy[5d]: is starting with H10 necessary ?

[9:59] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: i thought this was just a better version than the game but maybe not clear

[9:59] Cezary[4d]: hm maybe not

[9:59] Cezary[4d]: aha like this

[9:59] Cezary[4d]: yea maybe

[9:59] Cezary[4d]: maybe it's all very similar

[10:00] Fantleroy[5d]: is there a chance b should tenuki C10?

[10:00] Cezary[4d]: mm yeah maybe

[10:00] Cezary[4d]: I wasn't sure what to do

[10:00] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: maybe keep pushing ?

[10:00] Cezary[4d]: you are doing this box on the right

[10:00] Cezary[4d]: which makes me want to play r3

[10:01] Cezary[4d]: but I need to also capitalize on that you didnt play on the left haha

[10:01] Cezary[4d]: as in didnt answer my j8

[10:01] Fantleroy[5d]: true true

[10:01] Cezary[4d]: which I think you should

[10:01] Fantleroy[5d]: hmmm

[10:01] Fantleroy[5d]: i think ignoring or answering is fine

[10:01] Cezary[4d]: yea maybe

[10:01] Fantleroy[5d]: but seeing the game maybe answering was simpler haha

[10:01] Cezary[4d]: I thought ikken tobi from that f7 group

[10:01] Cezary[4d]: is the proper play

[10:02] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: yeah but what are we, grandpas ?

[10:02] Cezary[4d]: haha

[10:02] Fantleroy[5d]: Variation: i also wondered about this but i think it's bad

[10:02] Cezary[4d]: a yea, probably bad

[10:03] Cezary[4d]: it's 7pm here I need to go hunt something for dinner

[10:03] Fantleroy[5d]: huh ?

[10:03] Cezary[4d]: I am in Japan

[10:03] Fantleroy[5d]: ah

[10:03] Fantleroy[5d]: you can only eat by hunting in japan ?

[10:03] Fantleroy[5d]: $*!%

[10:03] Cezary[4d]: haha

[10:03] Fantleroy[5d]: well, happy hunting then !

[10:03] Cezary[4d]: like 13hours from Strasbourg though :P

[10:03] Fantleroy[5d]: hahaha true

[10:03] Fantleroy[5d]: cya

[10:03] Cezary[4d]: see you :)

[10:04] Cezary[4d]: ill hunt some gyozas haha