Game Finished

Move 94

saxmaam[8k]

3 captures

Samraku[4k]

2 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Processing

White wins by Resignation

Move 0

August 18, 2015

[16:36] Samraku[10k]: hi

[16:36] Samraku[10k]: gl hf!

Move 2

[16:36] saxmaam[14k]: 4-4 seems pretty safe as a first move

[16:36] Samraku[10k]: mm hmm

Move 3

[16:37] Samraku[10k]: I've decided that 4-4 is my favorite first move as black and that 4-4 upper left is my favorite response to it as white

Move 7

[16:39] saxmaam[14k]: so what are you thinking now?

Move 8

[16:39] saxmaam[14k]: mmm ... abandoned joseki to mess up my "house"

[16:40] Samraku[10k]: that k3 let's you play f3 and if I want to play h3 to help l3 while dealing with f3, then I'm overconcentrated

[16:40] Samraku[10k]: so one over

[16:40] Samraku[10k]: and yeah, you wanted that side, so I wanted it

[16:40] Samraku[10k]: 6 space is kindof odd, but it used to be really popular in china ages ago, so it can't be that bad

[16:41] Samraku[10k]: and I figure that as long as I have a reason for doing it, as I do here, it can't be that bad to play even if my reasoning is, unbeknownst to me, flawed.

Move 28

[16:43] Samraku[10k]: have you seen the recent video that "sunday go lessons" on YT put out which contained this joseki?

[16:43] Samraku[10k]: It's the only reason I knew it

[16:43] saxmaam[14k]: no ...

[16:43] saxmaam[14k]: how far does the real joseki go?

[16:43] saxmaam[14k]: the one I know is this

[16:43] Samraku[10k]: d10 is the end of it

[16:44] saxmaam[14k]: Variation: one I know

[16:44] Samraku[10k]: except I exchanged h2 which is not in the joseki because I didn't like how the cuts affected the l3 stone, but I wtill wanted to tenuki to d10

[16:44] Samraku[10k]: yeah, I wasn't going to play that, though I normally would

[16:44] Samraku[10k]: I very much wanted to take sente to take d10 even if I got a bad result locally

[16:45] saxmaam[14k]: I think you got a great result

[16:45] Samraku[10k]: Variation: I was planning when I played c4

[16:45] saxmaam[14k]: what should I be thinking about here?

[16:45] Samraku[10k]: I think the result is even locally

[16:45] saxmaam[14k]: M17 N3 R10 F17

[16:46] saxmaam[14k]: I'm thinking about those

[16:46] saxmaam[14k]: m17 I would give you more influence so I don't like that

[16:46] saxmaam[14k]: N3 small but steady

[16:46] Samraku[10k]: m17 and f17 seem natural to me. r10 seems low and n3 seems small, though since n3 puts pressure on l3 it may be bigger than it looks

[16:46] Samraku[10k]: almost sente

Move 29

[16:47] saxmaam[14k]: bad thing about f17 is that it ends with sente for W

Move 37

[16:49] saxmaam[14k]: unless of course, you choose that other joseki that I can't quite remember

Move 38

[16:49] saxmaam[14k]: Gotta review that

[16:49] Samraku[10k]: I like the c16 for d15 exchange for me because of it's effect on the g16 double-hane

Move 39

[16:50] saxmaam[14k]: holy smokes, that's over my head

[16:51] Samraku[10k]: I could be wrong, but according to my reading, I can net g16 immediatley instead of laddering it towards a black stone or setting up a net around it like the joseki normally goes

[16:51] Samraku[10k]: Variation: normal variation if white doesn't have the ladder

[16:52] saxmaam[14k]: ok

[16:52] Samraku[10k]: maybe not quite, but I get a big attack

[16:52] Samraku[10k]: Variation: not quite dead, but huge attack

[16:52] Samraku[10k]: still very good for me

Move 40

[16:53] saxmaam[14k]: so I feel like I should q10 or something like that

[16:53] saxmaam[14k]: agree?

[16:54] Samraku[10k]: if you think that your moyo + your territory is bigger than my moyo + my territory, then yes. If the opposite, then reduce/invade

[16:54] Samraku[10k]: At least, that's my understanding of the general thinking

[16:54] saxmaam[14k]: and how do you evaluate this board?

[16:55] Samraku[10k]: g6 is one of the possible finishing moves for the lower left joseki, btw.

[16:55] Samraku[10k]: umm

[16:55] Samraku[10k]: upper left 10, upper right 10, lower right 16, lower left 6

[16:56] Samraku[10k]: then add 2 caps and right moyo

[16:56] Samraku[10k]: now is that bigger than white's moyo?

[16:56] saxmaam[14k]: white seems bigger?

[16:56] Samraku[10k]: so white's moyo needs to make about 38 points more than blacks to win

[16:57] Samraku[10k]: I like white's chances, but your mileage may vary

[16:57] saxmaam[14k]: W looks bigger to me, but obviously very reduceable

[16:57] Samraku[10k]: I'd agree

[16:57] saxmaam[14k]: B moyo is smaller but easier to defend

Move 47

[17:00] Samraku[10k]: white's has more potential to expand, though

[17:00] saxmaam[14k]: how so?

Move 49

[17:01] Samraku[10k]: my moyo was radiating a lot of influence in addition to being a moyo. you'res was all on the 3rd and 4th lines and you gave me sente with q10, though to be fair, if you hadn't played q10, I probably would have played it

Move 51

[17:02] saxmaam[14k]: can you say more about what "radiating influence" means?

[17:02] Samraku[10k]: Variation: Influence from before.

[17:02] Samraku[10k]: There was a larger area around my stones where I would have had an advantage over you if you played there.

Move 52

[17:03] saxmaam[14k]: is it kind of like "outward facing walls"?

Move 53

[17:03] Samraku[10k]: yep

[17:03] Samraku[10k]: outward facing walls radiate influence

Move 54

[17:03] saxmaam[14k]: cool. see, I knew you had something to teach me

Move 67